2007 Death Pool [Text View]

Vito the TiVo

09-10-2007, 10:20 PM

Pick your list of five shows to be killed by the end of the 2007 season with an extra slot for your first cancelled. Winner gets bragging rights. Extra points to whoever gets their list killed first. Include your reasoning in parentheses if you like...

MY DEATH POOL - TO DIE BEFORE THE END OF THE SEASON

1. Bionic Woman (overhyped and overboring and overexpensive)
2. Pushing Daisies (too good and expensive to survive)
3. Viva Laughlin (it's a musical - 'nuff said)
4. Big Shots (Sex in the City for men - no way)
5. Cavemen (pilot's not as bad as one would think, but this lasts the season tops)

***1st to Die: Bionic Woman (see above)

Neenahboy

09-10-2007, 10:37 PM

5. Cavemen (pilot's not as bad as one would think)

Yes it is.

1. Cavemen
2. Aliens in America
3. Kid Nation (will go to the web about four eps in, I think)
4. Viva Laughlin
5. Carpoolers

dswallow

09-10-2007, 10:59 PM

anom

09-11-2007, 12:21 AM

Yes it is.

1. Cavemen
2. Aliens in America
3. Kid Nation (will go to the web about four eps in, I think)
4. Viva Laughlin
5. Carpoolers

I think Kid Nation is going to be huge. I also think everyone is dead on about Viva Laughlin. I'm sort of looking forward to it, but it has quick death written all over it.

Idearat

09-11-2007, 02:12 AM

Sarah Conner Chronicles. Summer Glau isn't reason enough to keep it going.

Cavemen: Likely destined to be as memorable as the The California Raisins (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0284709/)

pkscout

09-11-2007, 06:23 AM

Knowing the way decisions are made and the general viewing public, Cavemen will run 10 seasons. :rolleyes:

headroll

09-11-2007, 08:02 AM

Knowing the way decisions are made and the general viewing public, Cavemen will run 10 seasons. :rolleyes:

And will spin off two shows "CaveKids" and "Desperate CaveWives"

-Roll

johnspalm

09-11-2007, 09:23 AM

I think Kid Nation is going to be huge.

KidNation will be too controversial to survive. It's on the death list.

barbeedoll

09-11-2007, 10:13 AM

Sorry, can't narrow it down to five, even if I try to ignore reality garbage.

Big Shots
Cavemen
Nashville
K-Ville
Cane
Carpoolers
Gossip Girl
Viva Laughlin

Trifecta: Nashville, then Big Shots, then Cavemen... because that's the order they premiere. Though I'm almost willing to put money on Cavemen disappearing before the first episode airs... or maybe it'll become the first network show yanked and canceled during its first airing. :)
Funny thought you have about a show being cancelled while airing. It conjured up visions of watching a show and then after the first commercial it just never comes back. The last 15 20 minutes would just be back to back commercials. Soon the networks would greenlight shows that only taped 15 minutes as a great way to get around current restrictions about how many commercials can usually air.

I'd add Moonlight to the early cancellation lists.

Barbeedoll

jschuur

09-11-2007, 10:57 AM

I know exactly what shows will get cancelled. All the ones I'm looking forward to.

Which is why I'm not posting my list ;)

cheesesteak

09-11-2007, 11:03 AM

cavemen can't possibly last the whole season. It gets my vote.

I'm looking forward to K'ville. I like everything Anthony Anderson does. I'm pretty sure the FOX Grim Reaper is sharpening his scythe, though.

SnakeEyes

09-11-2007, 11:11 AM

KidNation will be too controversial to survive. It's on the death list.

kids trying, learning growing, experiencing > mostly media manufactured story.

pkscout

09-11-2007, 12:19 PM

I'm pretty sure the FOX Grim Reaper is sharpening his scythe, though.

I thought Reaper was on the CW. :D

It would be a delicious piece of irony if Reaper was on FOX and got the traditional two episode ax. Well, ironic in an Alanis Morrisette way.

Magnolia88

09-11-2007, 12:32 PM

Big Shots
Cavemen
Viva Laughlin

. . . seem like sure bets for cancellation. I have yet to hear one good thing about Big Shots (and tons of "it's horrible"), despite the appealing cast (Michael Vartan, yum).

I'm reserving judgment on Bionic Woman and Pushing Daisies. BW is going to get a lot of curiosity at first, so it may do okay, and everybody who has seen PD is raving about it. Which of course means it's doomed, but you never know what will catch on.

Marco

09-11-2007, 01:07 PM

Kid Nation will be too controversial NOT to survive.

FYP ;)

LoadStar

09-11-2007, 01:33 PM

Aliens in America, Kid Nation, Cavemen, and Viva Laughlin are on my list (not necessarily in that order).

Some might have considered the pilot for Bionic Woman boring, but at least it wasn't BAD like some of these are. Pushing Daisies will get axed, but it won't be right away. It'll probably end up like Wonderfalls, making it to 13 episodes but it won't get the Back Nine.

As for Big Shots - I have a feeling ABC is going to be stubborn on this one: they're going to slide this thing around 10 times then put it on hiatus at least 2 times before finally giving in.

That Don Guy

09-11-2007, 02:10 PM

1. Cavemen (somebody is going to realize it's a one-joke bit that got taken too far; sort of if Fox tried to make a half-hour Itchy & Scratchy Show series)
2. New Amsterdam (it may even join the Fox Hall of Unaired Shame, along with Rewind, Septuplets, and The Ortegas)
3. Carpoolers
4. Moonlight
5. Viva Laughlin
First off: Cavemen

New series hit of the year: Back to You (face it, Kelsey Grammer can do no wrong, especially when he's typecast)
Filthy Rich award for the summer hit that gets cancelled: The Singing Bee
Most-asked question: "Where have I seen that girl playing (Patricia Heaton's, on Back to You) daughter before?" (Answer: that's Laura from the early episodes of Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader?)
(Speaking of which, the "new class" debuts October 4, according to TV Guide.)

-- Don

edc

09-11-2007, 02:17 PM

Funny thought you have about a show being cancelled while airing. It conjured up visions of watching a show and then after the first commercial it just never comes back. The last 15 20 minutes would just be back to back commercials. Soon the networks would greenlight shows that only taped 15 minutes as a great way to get around current restrictions about how many commercials can usually air.

That apparently happened in Australia, and in parts of the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_shows_canceled_after_one_episode

Australia's Naughtiest Home Videos
1992 comedy series spun off from Australia's Funniest Home Video Show, hosted by Doug Mulray. This show was actually cancelled during its first episode when then-Nine Network owner Kerry Packer reportedly called the station and personally ordered them to "Get that s**t off the air."[citation needed] After the plug was pulled, they went to a commercial break, and two re-runs of Cheers or Married With Children (depending on the source) were aired instead. It is understood that Packer was alerted to the program by several of his personal friends at a dinner.

[...]

Turn-On
1969 poorly-received derivative of Laugh-In which aired on ABC. Although not the first series to be immediately cancelled, Turn-On is generally considered the best-known example. It's considered one of the most notorious flops in television history. Some local markets cancelled the show midway through the broadcast, but the story that it was yanked midway through its first episode nationwide is untrue. After the first show, the sponsor (Bristol-Myers) cancelled. The show was viewed by many as being an example of straightforward poor taste.[citation needed]

bareyb

09-11-2007, 02:33 PM

Sadara

09-11-2007, 02:41 PM

In no particular order

Cavemen
Nashville (has a very bad time slot)
Reaper
Viva Laughlin
Life is Wild
Carpoolers
Women's Murder Club/Cashmere Mafia/Lipstick Jungle (I see only one of these shows surviving, the only thing that gives them all a chance is that they are airing months apart from each other)

Possibles

Kid Nation
K-Ville
Life
Moonlight
Aliens in America

Edited to Add: All of these shows are being recorded on my tivo's, but I seriously doubt that I watch any of them until I'm sure they don't get the axe and see how the reviews of these shows turn out.

dswallow

09-11-2007, 02:42 PM

I think "Kid Nation" will be entirely predictable. The "kids" will simply repackage and spout adult ideals and pretty much say and do whatever they think the producers want them to do. Just a guess, but I have a bad feeling this is going to be about as interesting as... well... watching other people's kids... Nuff said. It's a goner for sure. IMO of course. :p
In the US, anyone involved in a film project like Kid Nation that was done like it should be done would probably go to jail. What we're going to get is going to be a pre-plotted vanilla realicrap.

mattack

09-11-2007, 09:47 PM

I know exactly what shows will get cancelled. All the ones I'm looking forward to.

Which is why I'm not posting my list ;)

Logic failure... (Though the same logic failure applies in what is a good song lyric "Rulers make bad lovers... better put your kingdom up for sale..")

A -> B
does NOT mean that
~A -> ~B

cwoody222

09-12-2007, 01:22 PM

I'm not sure which will or won't go but I know the one I'll be most upset about being cancelled will be Pushing Daises. Because I'm sure it'll be fantastic (re: Bryan Fuller) and I'm sure it'll be cancelled (re: Bryan Fuller).

Honora

09-12-2007, 03:04 PM

That apparently happened in Australia, and in parts of the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_shows_canceled_after_one_episode

Australia's Naughtiest Home Videos
1992 comedy series spun off from Australia's Funniest Home Video Show, hosted by Doug Mulray. This show was actually cancelled during its first episode when then-Nine Network owner Kerry Packer reportedly called the station and personally ordered them to "Get that s**t off the air."[citation needed] After the plug was pulled, they went to a commercial break, and two re-runs of Cheers or Married With Children (depending on the source) were aired instead. It is understood that Packer was alerted to the program by several of his personal friends at a dinner.

[...]

Turn-On
1969 poorly-received derivative of Laugh-In which aired on ABC. Although not the first series to be immediately cancelled, Turn-On is generally considered the best-known example. It's considered one of the most notorious flops in television history. Some local markets cancelled the show midway through the broadcast, but the story that it was yanked midway through its first episode nationwide is untrue. After the first show, the sponsor (Bristol-Myers) cancelled. The show was viewed by many as being an example of straightforward poor taste.[citation needed]

I remember Turn-On. I think my reaction was like the audience for Springtime for Hitler in the original "The Producers", my jaw dropped in shocked amazement. It ran for the full timeslot in New York, but I was not surprised when it didn't come back.

mwhip

09-15-2007, 05:51 PM

I was reading on another board how the IT Crowd, which was a mid season show for NBC, may never see the light of day. They did the last year with "The Singles Table".

scsiguy72

09-17-2007, 01:53 PM

I don't see how Viva Laughlin can last more than 3 Episodes
Moonlight will go 6
Cane will get the Ax after 13

Anyone for the over/Under?

tiams

09-20-2007, 03:41 PM

K-Ville (FOX cancellation gun has hair trigger)
Cane
Private Practice (Tim Daly curse)
Life
Big Shots (Whiney men)
Viva Laughlin (musical)

First to go will be Nashville

DevdogAZ

09-20-2007, 04:19 PM

How much of these cancellation decisions ride on whether the network has something else to fill the slot? NBC could be quick with the trigger because they could always just drop in an additional episode of Deal or No Deal. FOX could do extra eps of 5th Grader. Not sure what CBS and ABC will do if they cancel an hour long drama. I guess they'll just do reruns, as usual, but it always seems like such a waste when the show is already shot and in the can not to at least run the eps that have been completed and paid for.

I'll bet that just the curiosity factor will keep Cavemen on the air longer than it should be. Other than that, I've mostly stayed away from news about the new shows. I really don't know what any of them are about, except for the four NBC pilots I watched via Amazon Unbox.

As for all of you predicting a quick demise for Kid Nation:
KID NATION (S) finished first in adults 18-49 (3.0/09), children 2-11 (1.9/08) and children 6-11 (2.2/08) while placing second in households (5.8/10), viewers (9.07m), adults 25-54 (3.2/09), adults 18-34 (2.4/08) and teens 12-17 (2.3/09). This is CBS's best time period delivery in teens rating since 2/8/06 (The "Grammy Awards").
http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20070920cbs02

Cainebj

09-20-2007, 06:53 PM

K-Ville

Pilot episode - I didn't make it to the opening credits.
Season pass deleted.

thurston608

09-21-2007, 09:24 AM

K-ville was terrible. That is going to be gone fast.

A lot of you are hating on Viva Laughlin, but I actually think that show could be a sleeper hit. It is just different than anything else out there right now, I could see the musical aspect catching on.

mrmike

09-21-2007, 10:17 AM

Sadly, I think Pushing Dasies is on the short list. It's too "twee" for American sensibilities, the conceit is too complicated and it suffers from "what next" syndrome. Once you set up the basic premise and introduce the characters (lovely as they are) what drives the plotlines forward?

K-Ville I have hopes for, but it has an equal potential to spiral quickly into the land of absurdity and cliche.

Bionic Woman I'll watch though it suffers from a villan who is far more interesting and clearly motivated than the hero which always makes things hard on the writers. If they don't end up dipping into that well too often and they can make the leads have actual character (and character growth) it could go on for a while.

I haven't seen most of the rest of these yet, so I'll reserve judgement until I have.

heySkippy

09-21-2007, 10:25 AM

I think Kid Nation can safely be taken off the list.

grant33

09-21-2007, 11:06 AM

Most-asked question: "Where have I seen that girl playing (Patricia Heaton's, on Back to You) daughter before?" (Answer: that's Laura from the early episodes of Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader?)

I recognized her as Sarah Silverman's "daughter" from the Sarah Silverman Program. Their duet on "Poop Song" was classic.

DreadPirateRob

09-21-2007, 01:29 PM

I don't know enough about the new shows yet to comment, but I would automatically put any new offering by Fox and NBC on the list. They seem to have the quickest trigger these days.

speedy4022

09-22-2007, 01:05 PM

I would have to go with Nashville being the first to get the axe. Cavemen will be next. I chose Nashville as the first because I wouldn't be surprised if it was gone before cavemen starts.

mwhip

09-26-2007, 11:36 AM

Who all had Nashville?

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-0&fp=46fa10216d96fe55&ei=g4r6RrfiPIumqgOzo9j1Dg&url=http%3A//www.actressarchives.com/news.php%3Fid%3D8191&cid=0&sig2=4OVMcONiZYksTlAyjvpwyg

dswallow

09-26-2007, 12:00 PM

Sadara

09-26-2007, 12:18 PM

I believe I called Nashville.... :) I'm not even shocked it's being dumped so quickly!!

rich

09-26-2007, 12:41 PM

I thought the second episode of Nashville was better than the first (they dropped most of the Reality aspects, which made it easier to follow), but apparently it was too late. As they say on the show, you only get one shot.

pkscout

09-26-2007, 01:24 PM

And I suspect this means FOX maintains the title as network with the twitchiest trigger finger. ;)

Why would anyone watch a show on FOX until it's all the way through it's first season? If that isn't the definition of a vicious cycle I don't know what is.

Sadara

09-26-2007, 02:39 PM

Nashville honestly wasn't that good. Even though I watched it, I'm not sad to see it go. They could use that air time for something better.

LoadStar

09-26-2007, 04:07 PM

Nashville's departure could make room for "New Amsterdam," which is still M.I.A.

DevdogAZ

09-26-2007, 05:08 PM

So Nashville was going to be paired with that other reality band show on Friday nights. I wonder if Nashville would have done better if it had waited and premiered together with that other show. Or perhaps they'll put it on "hiatus" and then re-premiere it when the American Idol Band version starts.

pkscout

09-26-2007, 05:44 PM

Nashville's departure could make room for "New Amsterdam," which is still M.I.A.

Yea, I noticed that and The Sarah Connor Chronicles don't seem to have premiere dates. The FOX site lists New Amsterdam as "coming soon." I think SCC is listed for early 2008.

JETarpon

09-26-2007, 05:57 PM

Nashville honestly wasn't that good. Even though I watched it, I'm not sad to see it go. They could use that air time for something better.

They could, but instead they are going to use it to air K-ville repeats.

MickeS

09-26-2007, 06:16 PM

Why would anyone watch a show on FOX until it's all the way through it's first season?

Because a show can be good TV even if there's not 22 episodes of it?

MickeS

09-26-2007, 06:22 PM

I think "Life" will go. I didn't find anything interesting about it. Then again, I am not good at judging cop shows, I can't stand most of them.

johnperkins21

09-26-2007, 06:58 PM

I can only comment on the shows I know anything about, so here's my list in no particular order:

Bionic Woman
Viva Laughlin
Pushing Daisies
Big Shots
Carpoolers

I don't think Cavemen will make it to the air otherwise I'd try to make room for it here. The first one cancelled (after Nashville apparently), Pushing Daisies. Pushing Daisies is the only show listed I want to watch, but I'm certain it's too quirky to last.

DevdogAZ

09-26-2007, 07:22 PM

I think "Life" will go. I didn't find anything interesting about it. Then again, I am not good at judging cop shows, I can't stand most of them.
Agreed. Of the four premieres that NBC made available via Unbox, that was by far the least compelling. Wouldn't be surprised to see it fail.

Chester_Lampwick

09-26-2007, 07:31 PM

American Idol
60 Minutes
The Simpsons
Cops
The Price Is Right

I figure if I'm going to wager, I might as well go for the big payout rather thaneven odds.....

JYoung

09-26-2007, 08:05 PM

bareyb

09-26-2007, 08:06 PM

I think "Life" will go. I didn't find anything interesting about it. Then again, I am not good at judging cop shows, I can't stand most of them.

I think you're right about this one. I used to be love Crime Dramas, but these days they have to be pretty darn good to warrant an SP from us. I think many folks are simply "over" crime dramas in general. It's a pretty overused and overabused genre... :p

speedy4022

09-26-2007, 09:26 PM

I told you guys Nashville would be gone before Cavemen started.

That Don Guy

09-27-2007, 02:49 PM

Yea, I noticed that and The Sarah Connor Chronicles don't seem to have premiere dates. The FOX site lists New Amsterdam as "coming soon." I think SCC is listed for early 2008.
It is - the most likely date is January 27. (The way Fox has scheduled January in the past, they leave the first two Sundays "open" so they have some wiggle room with the NFL post-season schedule, then they air the first two episode of 24 back-to-back (with the next two the next night), and then they make their mid-season schedule change.)

(No, it's not going to premiere right after the Super Bowl - Fox has already announced the post-Super Bowl slot goes to House.)

-- Don

dswallow

09-30-2007, 10:01 AM

I still have high hopes for my trifecta... "Big Shots" lost 25% of their viewers in the second half hour; 35% of the coveted 18-49 demographic.

Unfortunately "Gossip Girl" is performing similarly with regard to the second half hour, but is also starting with a far lower number of viewers.

mwhip

10-22-2007, 04:26 PM

LoadStar

10-22-2007, 04:31 PM

#3 of the season, Viva Laughlin

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=3255d7c8-e833-4195-8fcc-8915258d061a&sid=rss_kristin&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_kristin
#3? Are you counting New Amsterdam, which technically hasn't been cancelled yet? Or was there another cancellation that I'm forgetting about?

ETA: Ah, "Online Nation." Never mind.

mwhip

10-22-2007, 04:32 PM

#3? Are you counting New Amsterdam, which technically hasn't been cancelled yet? Or was there another cancellation that I'm forgetting about?

Nashville
Online Nation
Viva Laughlin

I don't count things that have not aired.

5thcrewman

10-22-2007, 04:43 PM

Samantha Who?

dswallow

10-22-2007, 05:20 PM

Does it count if they cancel a show you never even knew was running? (Online Nation)

:p

DevdogAZ

10-22-2007, 11:45 PM

#3 of the season, Viva Laughlin

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=3255d7c8-e833-4195-8fcc-8915258d061a&sid=rss_kristin&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_kristin
Best part of that article is that she says TAR is going to start airing in Viva Laughlin's spot on Nov. 4. :up: :up: