Highlander: The Source

[Fl_Gulfer]

Highlander: The Source
SCI FI Original Picture
Duncan MacLeod seeks the origin of the Immortal's powers. Starring Adrian Paul. Sat Sept 15 9/8C

http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=153507

[LoadStar]

Wow, I had wondered what became of this. This has been in production for so long, I lost track. Interesting... I wonder if they still intend to produce the other two parts of the originally planned trilogy.

[Philosofy]

I thought it was coming out on DVD in September: I downloaded a version but haven't watched it yet: Davis/Panzer claims its not the final edit, and quite bad. Highlander was my favorite show, but I'm not holding my breath on this one, since all the sequels have been terrible.

[acvthree]

Slightly off from this thread, but are there DVDs available for the European uncut version? The DVD set that I have seen is only for the shorter American version.

Al

[super dave]

I hope they show the HD version on UHD.

[hanumang]

Someone mind cluing me into what exactly happened with this flick? Not Davis/Panzer's final cut?

Highlander was my favorite show too (Hi Phil!)

[Philosofy]

Its been in production for awhile: so long I can't remember when it started. I forgot about it, until I saw mention of it on the web. The page I found said the DVD would come out in September, but I was able to find a demon that had it, and got it that way. But I read the reviews, which said it sucked, and the production company (Davis Panzer) said it wasn't an official version, that it hadn't been edited yet.

The film has Duncan, Methos, and Joe Dawson in it. It involves a search for the source of immortality. Beyond that, I don't know much.

[hanumang]

The film has Duncan, Methos, and Joe Dawson in it. It involves a search for the source of immortality. Beyond that, I don't know much.

Yeah, I've read that bit as well, I guess I'm just surprised that this has been in a work-in-progress for so long. Knowing how D/P have operated in the past, I figured this would be out quick.

I've read awful some reviews as well (DVD Talk (http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=27260), Beyond Hollywood (http://www.beyondhollywood.com/?p=1540); spoilers within) but hey, it's Highlander so I gotta watch. :D

And, Fl_Gulfer, thanks for the heads up!

[gchance]

I've read a lot of bad reviews of this movie, but I really liked Highlander: Endgame, and it got poor reviews. I'll wait and see.

Duncan forever! :)

Greg

[Magister]

We already know where they got thier power, from Zeist... Jeez...

And Michael Ironsides doesn't like them.

[pkscout]

What the hay. I've seen every other Highlander spin-off (including the cartoon), so I may as well watch this one. There are so many contradictions that it's hard to say there is even Canon for this series.

[gchance]

We already know where they got thier power, from Zeist... Jeez...

And Michael Ironsides doesn't like them.

What is this Zeist you speak of? Somehow you must be thinking of some alternate reality.

Greg

[dcheesi]

In this latest epic, the franchise owners search for "the source" of their residual revenue stream, so they can squeeze out a few last dollars from its rotting corpse... :D

I've read a lot of bad reviews of this movie, but I really liked Highlander: The Quickening, and it got poor reviews.Oh, so you're the one! ;)

[Philosofy]

I've read a lot of bad reviews of this movie, but I really liked Highlander: The Quickening, and it got poor reviews. I'll wait and see.

Duncan forever! :)

Greg

You are unqualified to post in this thread, and are hereby barred from participating. :D

[JETarpon]

Duncan MacLeod seeks the origin of the Immortal's powers. Starring Adrian Paul. Sat Sept 15 9/8C


Duncan? I think his name was Conner.

[LoadStar]

Duncan? I think his name was Conner.
Connor MacLeod was the guy in the Highlander movies played by Christopher Lambert.

Duncan MacLeod was the guy from the Highlander TV show and the most recent Highlander movie played by Adrian Paul.

[tivogurl]

How are they finessing the age issue? Adrian is 48, and while I'm sure he looks quite good for his age, he doesn't look 33 (the age he started the series) anymore.

[JETarpon]

Connor MacLeod was the guy in the Highlander movies played by Christopher Lambert.

Duncan MacLeod was the guy from the Highlander TV show and the most recent Highlander movie played by Adrian Paul.

BUT I THOUGHT THERE COULD BE ONLY ONE!!!!!!111!!!!

[LoadStar]

How are they finessing the age issue? Adrian is 48, and while I'm sure he looks quite good for his age, he doesn't look 33 (the age he started the series) anymore.
Maybe immortals can age, they just can't die? Imagine him at 300... ;)

[alpacaboy]

How are they finessing the age issue? Adrian is 48, and while I'm sure he looks quite good for his age, he doesn't look 33 (the age he started the series) anymore.
Maybe he was still 33 when this film started production... :p

[hanumang]

How are they finessing the age issue?

He'll probably have a a beard.

[gchance]

You are unqualified to post in this thread, and are hereby barred from participating. :D

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Look, guys, help me here... help me out, I... noooooo!

Yesterday when I posted, I hadn't been to sleep in 30 hours, ya gotta give me leeway!

I didn't mean THE SICKENING. Didn't. No. Never. My reputation has to be saved!

I meant the 4th film, Highlander: Endgame. Really, I mean, look what I said in a later post:

What is this Zeist you speak of? Somehow you must be thinking of some alternate reality.

Greg

See? SEE?!?!?!

Greg

[Philosofy]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Look, guys, help me here... help me out, I... noooooo!

Yesterday when I posted, I hadn't been to sleep in 30 hours, ya gotta give me leeway!

I didn't mean THE SICKENING. Didn't. No. Never. My reputation has to be saved!

I meant the 4th film, Highlander: Endgame. Really, I mean, look what I said in a later post:



See? SEE?!?!?!

Greg

Judges?

[pkscout]

Judges?

Everyone gets a second chance. Besides, if he actually saw the second highlander film, it might have driven him insane for all these years. :D

[hanumang]

Judges?

Second chance deserved. :)

[gchance]

Everyone gets a second chance. Besides, if he actually saw the second highlander film, it might have driven him insane for all these years. :D

Oh, I saw it.

Midnight showing, at a theater we had to drive 50 miles for because our rinky-dink little town didn't show tiny genre films like this.

We head in, and all these Highlander fans dressed up in kilts, with swords, walk in. The movie starts, everyone CHEERS, then you hear whispers... "Zeist? Wha?" In the first 10 minutes, a few people leave.

I sat through the whole thing, I'm not the kind who walks out. You should have heard the comments people were making.

Oh, I remember. I remember.

Redeemed?

Greg

[Magister]

I remember seeing the second flick. I wasn't some cosplay dork, but I did enjoy the first one.

I remember thinking it felt like they cut about 30 minutes out of the flick. Horrible editing. And the manical laughter of the dorks on the BTTF skateboards was pretty forced. Ok, we get it, you are evil.

You do have to admit the Flight Safety briefing on the plane was pretty damned funny.

[Church AV Guy]

Visually, the second one was pretty well done, but the story was so "off" It was impossible to enjoy. Later I got a re-edited copy that someone did their best to eliminate the whole other planet thing and it worked much better. There were obvious problems, and I bet they wished they could have reshot some scenes, but given what they had, the re-edit was flawed, but acceptable. The original was NOT acceptable!

[Philosofy]

Oh, I saw it.

Midnight showing, at a theater we had to drive 50 miles for because our rinky-dink little town didn't show tiny genre films like this.

We head in, and all these Highlander fans dressed up in kilts, with swords, walk in. The movie starts, everyone CHEERS, then you hear whispers... "Zeist? Wha?" In the first 10 minutes, a few people leave.

I sat through the whole thing, I'm not the kind who walks out. You should have heard the comments people were making.

Oh, I remember. I remember.

Redeemed?

Greg

OK, redeemed. :) I remember watching the second movie: its like the writer never saw the first movie: it was just described to him at a party by a drunk guy. He then went and wrote the second movie, with no supervising editing at all.

[TAsunder]

I'm surprised methos had time for this given his busy schedule of being an extra in movies like xmen 2.

[dagojr]

worst movie ever i think. just terrible, waste of bandwidth downloading.

[USAFSSO]

It's on SciFi. When have they had a good movie. Mansquito?

Still wil give it a chance though...

[IndyJones1023]

Yeah, I have it set to record, too. I really have no idea why. As everyone always says - there can be only one. Ha ha, punny. But it's true. the first movie is fantastic. The second one was a headscratching abomination. I didn't even bother with the others. They went up to 4, right? I never bothered with the show, either.

[hanumang]

The show was pretty nice, actually. If only because they were able to develop a much stronger character (in Duncan) over the course of 100+ episodes. The 2nd thru 5th seasons where especially solid. The 1st was alright (Darius!!!) but 6th not so much.

And Adrian Paul is a much better actor than Christopher Lambert. Though I'm sure I'll be left to eat my words after Saturday night...

[pkscout]

Yeah, I have it set to record, too. I really have no idea why. As everyone always says - there can be only one. Ha ha, punny. But it's true. the first movie is fantastic. The second one was a headscratching abomination. I didn't even bother with the others. They went up to 4, right? I never bothered with the show, either.

Yup. The third one just ignored the second one and tried to create a little loophole so they could have another immortal. The fourth one. Well, it was more focused on Duncan McLeod. Let's just say it totally destroyed any canon there was in favor of a cheap plot thrill.

The series was at least consistent with the first movie, as it took place before the first movie when there were many, many more immortals running around. If this movie fits in the series time line and doesn't touch any of the other movies it might at least be internally consistent.

[IndyJones1023]

The series was at least consistent with the first movie, as it took place before the first movie when there were many, many more immortals running around.
Ahhh, I did not know that.

[Anubys]

I'm totally with Indy on this one :eek: :p

first movie was fantastic...second movie was a major disappointment to the extent that I only watched the third out of loyalty for the first...then totally gave up...

I have this set for record...in case I have time to kill in the next 5 years and all other forms of entertainment have been removed from the world...

[Rob Helmerichs]

I'm treating it like any other Sci-Fi Channel Saturday night movie.

It has until the first commercial break to convince me. Unless I get bored before then.

[TAsunder]

The series was at least consistent with the first movie, as it took place before the first movie when there were many, many more immortals running around.

That's not correct. It was in an alternate universe version. In the first episode they mention that connor did the world a favor by taking out kurgen.

[IndyJones1023]

That's not correct. It was in an alternate universe version. In the first episode they mention that connor did the world a favor by taking out kurgen.
Huh? If it was an alternate universe, how did they know about Connor killing the Kurgan?

[LoadStar]

Huh? If it was an alternate universe, how did they know about Connor killing the Kurgan?
I think his point was that if the series occurred before the first movie as they're suggesting, then they couldn't possibly have known about that event (since it hadn't happened yet).

Therefore, the TV series is "based on" the general idea in the movies, while not necessarily being directly connected all of the events in them (i.e. "alternate universe.")

[IndyJones1023]

I think his point was that if the series occurred before the first movie as they're suggesting, then they couldn't possibly have known about that event (since it hadn't happened yet).

Therefore, the TV series is "based on" the general idea in the movies, while not necessarily being directly connected all of the events in them (i.e. "alternate universe.")
So, the "alternate universe" aspect of it means "we're ignoring the 'he's the last man standing' part of the lore?"

[LoadStar]

So, the "alternate universe" aspect of it means "we're ignoring the 'he's the last man standing' part of the lore?"
Among other details, yes.

[TAsunder]

So, the "alternate universe" aspect of it means "we're ignoring the 'he's the last man standing' part of the lore?"

It means in the series, kurgen was just a particularly bad dude that connor killed and they were not the last two immortals. And throughout the series we would see many "ultimate bad guys" and people who seemed to have lived impossibly long. Once in a while they were hot chicks who showed some skin but usually it was a guy with long hair who was mean looking.

[Philosofy]

The series follows the first movie up until Connor gets the prize. In the series, Connor kills Kurgan, but isn't the last immortal alive. Duncan is also a Macleod, but he's 100 years younger than Connor. The series really did a great job expanding the mythology of immortality: its definitely worth your time. The movies, however, have pretty much sucked since the first one.

[TAsunder]

The series is fun, definitely in the same vein as the original movie, barring a few weird episodes that were a little too supernatural.

[kimsan]

Among other details, yes.

Wow, so much overthinking and justifying fiction. :)

From my POV, there was the original movie. Standalone and complete. Heroic Connor Macleod as the winner of the endgame.

There was the series. Same concept, more time for character development, no real relationship to movie. Enjoyable in its on right with its own heroic Duncan MacLeod.

There were the movies that attempted to cash in on the franchise that were never quite satisfying to fans of either the original or the series.

Then there was this steaming pile they titled "Highlander: The Source".

Q: What sound does feces make when it strikes a brass bell?
A: DUNG!

And so sounds the death knell for any concept of Highlander.

Until the next hack writer comes along and the SciFi channel has a gap in the wrestling schedule. :eek:

[IndyJones1023]

Wow, so much overthinking and justifying fiction. :)
You're new around here, aren't you?

;)

[kimsan]

You're new around here, aren't you?

;)

I think my overanalysis traits got burned out in a Lost thread a couple years back! ;)

[busyba]

The 2nd thru 5th seasons where especially solid. The 1st was alright (Darius!!!) but 6th not so much.
The 6th season doesn't even really count. It only really served as an extended audition for the next spin-off, Highlander:The Raven. Six of the episodes were based entirely around one of six different female immortals, with Duncan being either tangentially involved or virtually MIA, the idea being that one of those six would be the immortal that would star in the spin-off. The other episodes (6-8 I believe, it was a truncated season) were Duncan episodes, but pretty much filler and final-season vanity episodes.

Ironically, when they finally decided on the direction to go in with the spin-off, they didn't go with any of the females they featured that season and went with Elizabeth Gracen's Amanda character instead.

[pkscout]

Ironically, when they finally decided on the direction to go in with the spin-off, they didn't go with any of the females they featured that season and went with Elizabeth Gracen's Amanda character instead.

And then canceled about 5 episodes in as I recall.

[Philosofy]

The 6th season was only there to test spin offs. Amanda (Elizabeth Gracen) was their first choice, but the series would have to be filmed like Highlander: half in Paris, half in Vancouver, and EG had some kind of immigration problem with this. They tested other females, but then EG's problems got ironed out. That's how we got The Raven, a show so bad even I didn't watch them all.

[gchance]

The series was at least consistent with the first movie, as it took place before the first movie when there were many, many more immortals running around. If this movie fits in the series time line and doesn't touch any of the other movies it might at least be internally consistent.

The series didn't take place before the first one, and the 4th movie did not destroy the continuity.

The series just made one change to the first movie, although it was major... Connor didn't get the Prize. The final showdown of the Gathering wasn't between Connor & Kurgan, it hasn't happened yet. It's "the time of the Gathering", which is just a general period of time.

This is why there are so many immies around. They really didn't talk about it in the first season, but in the opening episode of S2 as Duncan meets Joe Dawson, Joe refers back to Connor's fight with Kurgan. It's quite obvious that the series, and therefore the 4th movie, all take place AFTER the Kurgan fight.

Just clarifying things. :)

Greg

[hanumang]

Yeah, of course you guys are right about all the auditioning going on in season 6, but the first few and last few episodes did deal with our favorite characters, so damnit, it counts in my book! ;)

Indiscretions (the one centered around Methos) was my favorite: "Just because I don't like to fight doesn't mean I'm not good at it!"

But I do miss this show...

[Philosofy]

Yeah, of course you guys are right about all the auditioning going on in season 6, but the first few and last few episodes did deal with our favorite characters, so damnit, it counts in my book! ;)

Indiscretions (the one centered around Methos) was my favorite: "Just because I don't like to fight doesn't mean I'm not good at it!"

But I do miss this show...

"Who are you???
"Someone who was born long before the concept of chivalry...'

One of my favorite lines...

[busyba]

One of my favorite lines...
My favorite Methos line has to be the one he used on the waitress he was trying to get a date with:

Girl: "Why do you wanna go out with me?"
Methos: "Because the alternative is unthinkable."

I sooooo wanna use that sometime! :)

[gchance]

Great, so now I have another Highlander movie to ignore.

Greg

[Shakhari]

And then canceled about 5 episodes in as I recall.

It went a whole season, lasting 22 episodes.

[Shakhari]

My, what a heaping, steaming, pile o'suck.

The original is still one of my favorite movies, and the series was a favorite too (although it annoyed me that Duncan's sense of honor changed from episode to episode, depending on whether or not he was the one who had been wronged).

In fact, the one thing I disliked about the original was the ending (Connor wins the prize and gets to be mortal?) ... as bad as this one was, they couldn't have come up with a better prize?

[pkscout]

It went a whole season, lasting 22 episodes.

Huh. I either 17 of them were totally forgettable, I bailed on it by accident, or our local affiliate quit showing them, because I sure don't remember that.

[Fl_Gulfer]

I have seasons 3 and 4 of Highlander The Series in VHS. Most are unopened and all have never been played except one. I'll sell Both Seasons for 75 bucks plus shipping.

[Rob Helmerichs]

...in VHS.
Did you buy them at Lascaux? :D

[Philosofy]

My god, what a piece of steaming crap that was. Only slightly better than Highlander II, only because they didn't screw with continuity as badly. The plot was contrived, the acting wooden, the dialogue dead, and I've seen better special effects on home made YouTube videos.

[JimSpence]

Jabba the Hut is immortal?

Pure dreck. :down: :down: :down: :down:

I'm glad I TiVo'd that so I could skip through some (most) of it. It seems you could have watched the last three minutes and got the gist of the whole thing. :)

[Rez]

I have to agree - "distilled awfulness".

And why would you produce anything in 4x3 anymore?

[Rob Helmerichs]

And why would you produce anything in 4x3 anymore?
I only watched a few minutes, but it was clearly cropped. The way stuff drifted on and off the sides of the screen pointed to a bad pan-and-scan job.

Which means either it was shot 16:9, or they had the worst director of photography in the history of film.

Either one of which is possible...

[LoadStar]

I only watched a few minutes, but it was clearly cropped. The way stuff drifted on and off the sides of the screen pointed to a bad pan-and-scan job.

Which means either it was shot 16:9, or they had the worst director of photography in the history of film.

Either one of which is possible...
I believe it was originally intended as a theatrical release, or at least that was the plan at some point along the way... so it may have even been filmed 1.85:1 or higher.

[SeanC]

My god, what a piece of steaming crap that was. Only slightly better than Highlander II, only because they didn't screw with continuity as badly. The plot was contrived, the acting wooden, the dialogue dead, and I've seen better special effects on home made YouTube videos.

+1

[TAsunder]

This was worse than both highlander 2 and worse than every other saturday night sci fi flick. The film had massive flaws and reminded me of something that would cause a contestant to get cut in the first round of on the lot.

[Anubys]

well, based on these reviews...I'm deleting this without watching...

[JoeyJoJo]

well, based on these reviews...I'm deleting this without watching...

A wise decision, I assure you.

[TAsunder]

Yes... no need to watch. You can consider it wayyyyyy off canon. It had very little to do with highlander. What little it did have to do with it was just one liners here and there repeating the "theme" of familiar characters. Like Joe "You shouldn't have interfered" Dawson or old man "a decent guy but too jaded" Methos.

The plot itself was basically a romero zombie flick mixed with a really horrible early draft of the fifth element, minus all the cool science fiction.

[pjenkins]

this movie was awesome!!!

if awesome is defined as the biggest pile of horse dung ever...

i turned it off after 45 minutes, and feel dirty for having watched that long.

[JimSpence]

...
i turned it off after 45 minutes, and feel dirty for having watched that long.You missed the best part. The last three minutes where they gave the full synopsis. Too bad they didn't do that first. :)

[pjenkins]

You missed the best part. The last three minutes where they gave the full synopsis. Too bad they didn't do that first. :)

hmm, i didn't delete yet, so i'll go FF to that part tonight thanks!

:)

btw, i actually enjoyed the first movie and the series too w/Adrian Paul (sp?) but man even he was bad in this one (and i haven't laughed at special effects in a long time, but jabba the hut and the protector thingy bad guy with the flash-like speed was just too comical for words)

[Sirius Black]

Ok have a question. I am of the school that believes the first movie and only the first movie is worthy of the name Highlander. Given this how does the TV series tie into the official canon? In an attempt to be completely honest, I have never watch the show other than the crossover movie from a few years ago.

[phox_mulder]

I really enjoyed Highlander: The Series, so despite all the naysayers, I have set up a recording for this Friday's reairing of the movie.

I'm not even sure the series aired in this market, but I was working weekend mornings at the time and found the satellite feed while doing a sweep of the skys with the big dish.

I guess I'll make my own observations in a week or so.


phox

[boywaja]

I really enjoyed Highlander: The Series, so despite all the naysayers, I have set up a recording for this Friday's reairing of the movie.
phox

the horror. the horror.

Take my advise. Have something else ready to cleanse the palate.

[Philosofy]

Ok have a question. I am of the school that believes the first movie and only the first movie is worthy of the name Highlander. Given this how does the TV series tie into the official canon? In an attempt to be completely honest, I have never watch the show other than the crossover movie from a few years ago.

Well, the way the movie ended, it was kind of tough for there to be a sequel. If you consider it to be strict canon, and Connor won the prize, then you will be disappointed.

The Highlander series focus' on Duncan Macleod, an immortal 100 years younger than Connor. The series makes mention of Connor killing Kurgan, but that was just a mini-gathering, and there are still plenty of immortals running around. The series does a good job developing the character, something the movie just didn't have time for. You get to see Duncan's past, and his evolution from an ignorant Scottish clansman to a sophisticated immortal (who knows, among other things, the value of compound interest. :)) The series also introduced some nice twists to the mythology: Watchers, a secret society of humans who chronicle the immortals in secret, and Methos, the world's oldest immortal (he took his first head 5,000 years ago: before that its just a blur.) It also shows how immortals can spot other, soon-to-be immortals.

The first episode: The Gathering, isn't the best. The show started to hit its stride at the end of the first season, and then 2 through 4 got better and better. Its my favorite show of all time.

[lmk911]

Jabba the Hut is immortal?

Pure dreck. :down: :down: :down: :down:

I'm glad I TiVo'd that so I could skip through some (most) of it. It seems you could have watched the last three minutes and got the gist of the whole thing. :)

+1

[Rez]

I believe it was originally intended as a theatrical release, or at least that was the plan at some point along the way... so it may have even been filmed 1.85:1 or higher.


I'll never understand why networks take a show filmed in widescreen and destroy it with bad cropping. If this was indeed shot in 16x9 (or wider) then they should show it in that format.

[BitbyBlit]

You know what would have made this movie better? More Queen covers inserted in at awkward moments.

It's like they just mixed the songs into random locations. I guess the movie was so bad not even the audio engineers could bear to watch it!

[TAsunder]

What, you didn't like the montage where they played queen music while flipping quickly through scenes that would help explain what was going on if showed slowly?

[hanumang]

I believe it was originally intended as a theatrical release, or at least that was the plan at some point along the way... so it may have even been filmed 1.85:1 or higher.

Yeah, it was shot with Thomson's Viper HD cameras (http://www.thomsongrassvalley.com/products/cameras/viper/), so it's definitely something that was intended for widescreen exhibition. (While I can't find the link right now, I remember an AP blog posting about it - being 'in the business' I was impressed that D/P went the Viper route.)

As for why it was shown 4:3, that is sometimes a give-and-take between network and the owners of the film. Most networks - though I'm not sure that SciFi is like that - demand 4:3 (usually meaning Pan-Scan) broadcast masters. In this case of H:TS though, it just might have been what D/P were willing to be broadcast, since I believe the Russian DVD of H:TS was widescreen.

As for quality of the movie: Ugh! I think I need to watch Comes A Horseman or one of the Kalas episodes just to get this horrible taste out of my mouth....

[busyba]

Wow. That was pretty craptacular.

[JimSpence]

The description for this show on SciFi did say "letterbox". At least for DirecTV ch 244.

[Dennis Wilkinson]

Ow! My brain!

There goes 90 minutes I'll never get back...

[Solver]

To me this ties with Highlander II, very bad.

They didn't do much with the idea of immortals among the c*******s.
(I guess that is a good thing)

[busyba]

They didn't do much with the idea of immortals among the c*******s.
The what???

[Rob Helmerichs]

The what???
Deadwooders.

:D

[busyba]

I'm so lost.... :o

[Solver]

The what???
Sorry, this thread does not have a spoiler warning and I've never done the hidden text thing.

I should have said,

They didn't do much with the idea of immortals among the those island residents with peculiar tastes.

[TAsunder]

Ah... I get it now. Man, that would make for one cool highlander episode if they had an immortal who was worshipped as king and allowed his minions to eat his flesh, which would quickly regenerate.

[pkscout]

This would have been salvageable except for the ending. And the middle. And the chunk at the beginning. ;)

Seriously, I was willing to take it for what it was until the very end. Thankfully I had TiVo'd a Jeff Dunham special (he's a ventriloquist). I laughed so hard I was crying and totally forgot about this movie after that. :D

[Church AV Guy]

The 6th season was only there to test spin offs. Amanda (Elizabeth Gracen) was their first choice, but the series would have to be filmed like Highlander: half in Paris, half in Vancouver, and EG had some kind of immigration problem with this. They tested other females, but then EG's problems got ironed out. That's how we got The Raven, a show so bad even I didn't watch them all.
If I recall correctly, EG and Bill Clinton allegedly had an affair when he was governor, and he used many state resources to give her gifts and so on and so forth. Anyway, Starr desperately wanted to get her information for his report, and while she was untouchable in France, Canada has some agreements with the US that would have compelled her to go to Washington to testify if she ever set foot in that country. By the time the series was ready to start production, the report had been finalized and filed, so she was no longer wanted. At least, that's how I remember the issue. It WAS a long time ago.

[Craigbob]

Man what a waste of time. I like the 1st movie. hated the 2nd & 3rd, loved teh series, was meh on the 4th movie.

But this.... this.... this is the worst of the lot. I wonder if I can sue Sci-Fi and and teh producers for the loss of 90 minutes of my life.

Smoking a cigarette would've done the same damage.....

[Philosofy]

If I recall correctly, EG and Bill Clinton allegedly had an affair when he was governor, and he used many state resources to give her gifts and so on and so forth. Anyway, Starr desperately wanted to get her information for his report, and while she was untouchable in France, Canada has some agreements with the US that would have compelled her to go to Washington to testify if she ever set foot in that country. By the time the series was ready to start production, the report had been finalized and filed, so she was no longer wanted. At least, that's how I remember the issue. It WAS a long time ago.


I knew about the Clinton connection, but hadn't heard about the Starr thing, and I think I would have: I won a spot on the 1998 Highlander cruise, and was able to speak to the writers, Davis & Panzer, and others. IIRC, with EG being the lead, it would have required more time in France than the visa allowed. Stan Kirsch was the only other American member of the cast, and he didn't have to spend as much time in Paris due to the limited nature of his role.

[Mars Rocket]

I just started watching, prior to reading these comments, and after about 6 minutes realized it was so bad there must be a lot written about it here.

My favorite bad line so far:

"...the planets of our solar system have moved outside their orbital paths and are coming into alignment. Do you know how unusual that is?"

Yeah. "Unusual". That's the word I would use.

Bleah.

[TAsunder]

It was less unusual for them to come into alignment than it was for the other planets to be visible in the sky clearly and huge-ly.

[gchance]

It was less unusual for them to come into alignment than it was for the other planets to be visible in the sky clearly and huge-ly.

It was made clear that it was a "vision" that only Macleod's wife had. Once they got closer to the Source, the other immies saw it as well.

The movie sucked, but this part was clear. ;)

Greg

[TAsunder]

It was? I don't recall it being mentioned as a vision, and all the other characters kept seeing it from time to time inexplicably.

[sn9ke_eyes]

I'm not sure which was worse, the Lifetime channel ending, the guardian's "special" effects, or the idea to make them mortal as they get close to the source.