Am I allowed to say this in here?

[scooterboy]

I...don't.. really...use my tivo anymore.

There - I said it.

I watch HDTV almost exclusively now and use the Comcast DVR to record it (unlike some others, I rarely have a problem with it). My tivo is a Series 1 and I figured I'd record all of my SD onto that. But when I set up a new SD series to record, I almost always do it on the Comcast DVR. And I never get around to watching the SD series that I have been recording on the Series 1. So after almost 3 years I find that I rarely switch the input to the tivo.

It saddens me...

[Alfer]

I too no longer own a Tivo device...new DTV HD DVR here...


Group hug......

[anom]

I don't think you're alone. If I had an HDTV, I'd probably use the Comcast DVR too, although the new, cheaper Series 3 might make all that cable card hassle worth it.

[jsmeeker]

why didn't you get a Series 3?

Or, you could buy the new, almost a series 3 TiVo.

[JustAllie]

Heathen!!!!! :mad: Burn him!!!!!

;)

[Fleegle]

Sadly, I will soon be leaving my TiVo behind. I have an HR10-250, and it won't receive the new HD channels from DirecTV. It's a choice between the interface and features I love and the new HD glory for Scifi channel, USA, Bravo, Food Network... I have to go with the new channels.

I'm quite sad about it. :(

[KenDC]

I am in the same boat...except Cox instead of Comcast.

[loubob57]

Blasphemy!

[MickeS]

Noooooooooooooooooo................

I had a cable company HD DVR for a while too, but I still watched all of my SD stuff on the TiVo. I even often recorded SD versions of HD shows on the TiVo, because I couldn't stand the SA8300HD (with SARA software).

I HATED hated hated hated that POS excuse for a DVR.

The Series 3 is the best money I've spent since I got my first Series 2. :)

[TXS]

My last TIVO had a hard drive failure and its sitting in the corner......

[woolybugger]

I only use mine for certain shows. I hardly ever use it to pause or rewind or anything. :o

[jsmeeker]

I am in the same boat...except Cox instead of Comcast.


do you like Cox?

[dansee]

I... I can't believe I'm admitting this... but...

When Time Warner gets restocked w/HD DVRs, I'm probably going to get a second one from them, and unplug the TiVos...

[jtlytle]

do you like Cox?

Are you asking a girl that question?? :eek: :D

[scooterboy]

why didn't you get a Series 3?

Or, you could buy the new, almost a series 3 TiVo.
1) Initial expense (comcast DVR is $10/month)
2) As I said, unlike some others the Comcast DVR has worked really well for me (Motorola 3416). It's missing some of the features that tivo has (e.g. wishlists), but nothing I couldn't live without.
3) Didn't really want to bother with the cable card hassle.

And now I'm very used to it.

[jsmeeker]

Are you asking a girl that question?? :eek: :D


No.. KenDC is all man.

[KenDC]

do you like Cox?

So far they have been hard to beat and are stiff competition for anyone else. I can go in and out and in and out of HD and local channels with no problem but now I'm gushing and probably premature....I mean it has been a long time since I had TiVo.

[testify4]

I'm recently TiVo-less after running a S1 and S2 DTiVo. I miss the familiar TiVo interface I've used over the years, I love my satellite HD. I did consider Comcast for a bit (S3 w/ 2 cablecards) but DirecTV gave me the HR20 dirt cheap, so I thought I'd give it a try.

Well, I do have the S2 DTiVo and a HR10-250 in the basement, so technically I still own TiVos. ;)

[cowboys2002]

So far they have been hard to beat and are stiff competition for anyone else. I can go in and out and in and out of HD and local channels with no problem but now I'm gushing and probably premature....I mean it has been a long time since I had TiVo.


Easy guys, this is family forum!! :D

[stalemate]

So far they have been hard to beat and are stiff competition for anyone else. I can go in and out and in and out of HD and local channels with no problem but now I'm gushing and probably premature....I mean it has been a long time since I had TiVo.Nicely done. :up: :p

[JustAllie]

I... I can't believe I'm admitting this... but...

When Time Warner gets restocked w/HD DVRs, I'm probably going to get a second one from them, and unplug the TiVos...Those... poor... Tivos..... :( :( :(

You are very cruel, dansee.

[MickeS]

If the cable DVR would have had better software, I might not have bought the Series 3. Anyone else here have the SARA software and put up with it? :)

[mrowe8]

I too have recently packed up the Tivos. I now have DTV HD-DVR and have to say I'm ok with the functionality. It may not be completely as good as tivo functionality but it ain't to bad. Give me HD and it was all free to boot. I guess I will have to become a member of dtvhddvrcommunity.com

[jimborst]

I am also a non-TiVo person. I have had the DishNetwork HD DVR (Vip622) for a year now and after getting used to it, wouldn't probably go back. Except for some wishlist differences it works very well. My friends now have my lifetime TiVo and they say I can never get it back!

[dnemec123]

It would appear that I, too, will be leaving TiVo.

I've got four options to choose from, and my decision will be made on which provider has the most HD channels for the lowest total monthly price:
1. Comcast Digital Cable with the new TiVo-HD or their HD-DVR
2. DirecTV with the HR20-700 (once they get the new HD satellite online)
3. DISH Network with the VIP711
4. Verizon FIOS-TV with their HD-DVR or the new TiVo-HD (once they finish building the TV distribution points, approx Dec 1st in my area)

I'm currently with DirecTV with two SD DirecTiVo receivers, but I'm thinking of suspending my account and going with Comcast Digital Cable and their HD-DVR (great promotional price and no committment) until Verizon and DirecTV get their HD packages online.

Pretty much either way, I'm not going to have the great intuitive TiVo software on a DVR. :(

D

[danstyk]

So what are all you heathens doing with your old TiVos? If any of you have 'em with lifetime subs, I'll buy one. I'm looking for another series 2 for my kids to put all their SD stuff on.

I too use a cable co DVR (RCN now, also used DTV's) for HD. Series 3 was too pricey for me, and the new model came out just after I switched. But I do look forward to one day getting back to Tivo for HD someway, somehow.

[scooterboy]

My Series 1 doesn't have a Lifetime sub. Sorry!

Yet another reason I should shelf it - I'm paying monthly and I'm almost never using it.

[MikeMar]

We have directv, and before getting HD, just used Series 2's hooked up with IR blasters, worked fine, 3 single tuners, no problems

Got HD, so have the HR20 (non-tivo) it's ehh but gets the job done, still have the 3 S2's hooked up for bedroom viewing and guest room, and a dummy box downstairs to transfer shows down.

So 90% is non-tivo :(

[d_anders]

I don't think you're alone. If I had an HDTV, I'd probably use the Comcast DVR too, although the new, cheaper Series 3 might make all that cable card hassle worth it.

Just bought the new TiVo HD (cheaper S3), so I'm sticking with the TiVo in HD land. I have the Comcast DVR and I barely use it, the interface is awful and has some limitations. I also stayed with TiVo with the strong assumption (based on directional comments by TiVo Mgmt) that they will enable at least standard def MRV and TiVo2Go by the end of the year.

Yeah, Full HD MRV would be good, but the number of households with "multiple" HD sets is probably not going to be that high for a while, but I do like sending SD content today with my S2s and it will be fine for use for me with my other TV sets, and along with TiVo2Go content on my laptop and phone when I travel.

I also like the Amazon Unbox feature, and the fairly regular weekend .99 cent rental specials...which are a cheaper method than the Ondemand 3.99 and 5.99 HD rentals....although I do spring for the 5.99 HD rentals for certain movies and can continue to do so with a comcast hd stb I plan to have as well so I can continue to access ondemand, etc.

I am also hopeful that TiVo will continue to be a good overall media delivery platform. Once the TiVo/Rhapsody service is released, I can enjoy my rhapsody account via my home entertainment center and other tvs too.

[megory]

When I first got my HDTV, using TiVo wasn't an option. So, I learned to use my SA8300 POS. I got used to it. They updated a lot of things and it was really quite tolerable. Any problems -- call Bright House, but there were no problems to speak of over the 2-3 years with it.

But I got to missing and hankering for the search features and the wishlist. Starting fooling around with my old Humax on a 5-year old Samsung. Decided to try it out. Ordered a big disk from Weaknees (haven't installed it), and became generally obsessed with trying to make everything work together to see if I wanted to get rid of SA.

Then my HD died. And I have kept on using the Tivo to see if I'll get hooked.

I missed the ease of the SA! The record both of all channels.

Mind you, TiVo is much more complex with more features, but ever since I have started using it again, there has been too much stress and far too much focus on television. I do NOT want to be owned by television or TiVo. I want them to work for me.

The way I seeeees it, TiVo is a way of life and almost an end-all, be-all. TiVo is sorta like lonely northerners' sailboat -- always needing tinkering and hanging out and talking about what to do to make it better, and have a beer, and . . . well avoid life.

Of course, I ordered the DT and plan to buy the THD. And I had to go out and buy a new HD so I could be kewl and play with the kids in the community.

But, I keep thinking . . . WHY? Is all that money wasted going to be worth it to me? Will I now feel I must watch TV because of all the money? Has anyone SEEN the crap that is on TV these days? <g>

I really don't know if there's a cost benefit for me. I'll be evaluating that as I evaluate the DT. Perhaps I'll just sell the lot of them (I'm up to four or five now) and take a loss and enjoy the mediocrity of Scientific Atlanta. What an expensive experiment.

Or maybe I'll just sell all the video stuff and leave on a long sailing trip with lots of books.

But it's interesting to see others wondering too.

[JM1]

I've had a couple of TiVos and have one S2 still running, but I'm not sure why.

I'm using a dual tuner HD Moto box with Mediacom... It's alright, I guess. A bit buggy, but nothing serious.

I don't know why I keep the S2. Why do I keep the S2 at $12.95 per month? I'm hardly using it...

[Johncv]

If the cable DVR would have had better software, I might not have bought the Series 3. Anyone else here have the SARA software and put up with it? :)

I use the SARA software on my SA DVR and it work better now that I added an eSTATA drive.

[megory]

If the cable DVR would have had better software, I might not have bought the Series 3. Anyone else here have the SARA software and put up with it? :)
Yeah, Mick. I had the SARA and they updated it so it was less a POS. Simple to use, added extra clicks (up to 4 for real speedy) and a few other selection updates. Much improved and tolerable.


Some things wre good and real simple. The search function sucked--couldn't touch Tivo. The recording choices improved but still primitive, no wishlist or other sophisticated things.

So, it was tolerable and simple to use, but once you have Tivo, it's the standard. But it supplies most of the average joe's needs.

[stujac]

I...don't.. really...use my tivo anymore.

There - I said it.

I watch HDTV almost exclusively now and use the Comcast DVR to record it (unlike some others, I rarely have a problem with it). My tivo is a Series 1 and I figured I'd record all of my SD onto that. But when I set up a new SD series to record, I almost always do it on the Comcast DVR. And I never get around to watching the SD series that I have been recording on the Series 1. So after almost 3 years I find that I rarely switch the input to the tivo.

It saddens me...

I too still have my Series 1 but watch pretty much everything on the Comcast box. As a service to my wife, I record Martha daily and she (actually, we) watch a whole week over the weekend, on the TiVo. Everything else goes on the hi-def box. I'll probably always keep the older one, at least until everything is in hi-def.

[ZeoTiVo]

So far they have been hard to beat and are stiff competition for anyone else. I can go in and out and in and out of HD and local channels with no problem but now I'm gushing and probably premature....I mean it has been a long time since I had TiVo.
you will all be back. You just never forget your first TiVo.

[bkdtv]

I guess you guys all missed out on the $218 TivoHD earlier in the week... :(

[mattack]

Do any of you not using your Tivos also have TurboNet/TivoNets that you aren't using? I'm interested in getting one or two, but not at the new list price!

[Stanley Rohner]

I'm also using the DIRECTV HD DVR.
It works great. I don't miss TiVo one bit.
Not having a $12.95/month TiVo fee or a multi year TiVo agreement is nice.

I wonder what's gonna happen with TiVo within the next few years as more people get cable company DVRs and DIRECTV DVRs ? For someone that's never had a DVR the one the cable company offers or satellite providers offers will win out over TiVo every time.

[danstyk]

I'm also using the DIRECTV HD DVR.
It works great. I don't miss TiVo one bit.
Not having a $12.95/month TiVo fee or a multi year TiVo agreement is nice.

I wonder what's gonna happen with TiVo within the next few years as more people get cable company DVRs and DIRECTV DVRs ? For someone that's never had a DVR the one the cable company offers or satellite providers offers will win out over TiVo every time.

You failed to mention that DirecTV adds $5.99 or so per month as a DVR fee on your bill. Less than $12.95, but it ain't free. The good thing about that is you can have multiple DVRs for the one fee.

Tivo will find some way to survive, even if they get bought out by one of the cable companies. The software is too good not to. And I imagine they have other revenue streams besides monthly subscribers and hardware units.

[pendragn]

I fear that I too will be leaving the TiVo flock soon. I have an HR10-250 and it won't do the HD stations coming from DirecTV. Buying an S3, paying TiVo $13 a month (no lifetime, booo!!) plus paying the cable company, plus renting the cable cards just seems like too much expense and too much hassle. :(

tk

[Stanley Rohner]

You failed to mention that DirecTV adds $5.99 or so per month as a DVR fee on your bill. Less than $12.95, but it ain't free. The good thing about that is you can have multiple DVRs for the one fee.

Tivo will find some way to survive, even if they get bought out by one of the cable companies. The software is too good not to. And I imagine they have other revenue streams besides monthly subscribers and hardware units.

Thanks for pointing out I failed to mention the $5.99 or so per month DVR fee. No big whoopee, it's better than paying a seperate company $12.95/month just to use their wonderful :rolleyes: DVR box.

I also forgot to mention that when I got my HD DVR from DIRECTV I paid $299 for it when the TiVo Series3 was selling for $1000. Now the HD DVR from DIRECTV is free to a lot of customers. There's a monthly lease fee, but who cares. In my case the first month the lease fee showed up on the bill the 2nd box mirroring fee disappeared.

Like someone else said it isn't worth the hassle or cost to a lot of people to buy a TiVo HD DVR, pay the TiVo monthly fee, pay the cablecard monthly fee, pay the cable company to come out and install the cablecards, pay the cable company monthly service fee and then have to pay to repair or replace the TiVo box if it quits working.

[wolflord11]

For those with Sat, Tivo is loosing alot of customers. All those with Sat and wanting HD have no choice but to ditch Tivo for the in house DVR's. Oh well Tivo, guess you do not need our Money.......

Perhaps with the New Dealing of Directv and Tivo, we may see the return of a Directv/Tivo unit with HD........ perhaps One Day the Tivo Flock may return....(One Mans Wish)

Those with Cable have a choice with HD, there in house DVR units or Tivos. But with many people, price and cost pays a very important factor, and Tivo can not really compete.

And so, with sadness I am preparing to drop my Tivo, and run with Directv's in house HD DVR's. I will miss Tivo, but will still get some use of that great interface and software with my Directv/Tivo units.

Perhaps Tivo should drop producing Tivo units and concentrate more on just providing Software for the Big Boys Unit's. I am sure they could work out deals with all the providers.

[ZeoTiVo]

For those with Sat, Tivo is loosing alot of customers. All those with Sat and wanting HD have no choice but to ditch Tivo for the in house DVR's. Oh well Tivo, guess you do not need our Money.......
could you please explain how TiVo would make a 3rd party HD DVR for satellite. I know you have seen many times that it is not possible.
leaving TiVo becasue you want DirectTv or Dish makes fine sense for someone's personal decision. To imply that Tivo would not want that market at a reasonable profit margin is just nonsensical.

[wolflord11]

could you please explain how TiVo would make a 3rd party HD DVR for satellite.

Who said anything about a Third Party DVR from Tivo?

Look further down the Post:

Perhaps Tivo should drop producing Tivo units and concentrate more on just providing Software for the Big Boys Unit's. I am sure they could work out deals with all the providers.

This is where Tivo could get money from Sat Users. By providing the Tivo Interface and Software to both Dish Network and Directv. It has been done before with the Directv/Tivo units, it could be done again.

Heres something I have found to on another Web Forum, that Tivo could get in on:

It is my understanding that DirecTV attempted to get on the Cable card working group, and were rejected. While not completely impossible, there would need to be some sort of converter box to convert the DirecTV data stream into whatever encoding standard (I want to say QPSK or 8PSK) digital cable uses, and if somebody built this, then cable card could work with DirecTV.

Now if true and it could be done, then the Series 3 and TivoHD units may be beneficial to us Sat users to. Tivo could look at producing the Converter Boxes.

[JJ]

From a total of nine TiVos
we are back to the original Series1 lifetime. DirecTV lost its way with the hopeless HR20-700 and lost us as customers. Dish Network and the similarity of the VIP622 to TiVo won us over. Media Center PCs replaced most of the TiVos with incredible HD goodness and have become the new benchmark interface.

Once some SDV dust settles, the original TiVo will probably get replaced by a TiVoHD. TiVo was an important part of our household but that seems to be more history than future. TiVo had been the predominant interface but it is now the odd one in a sea of new systems.

Sorry TiVo, but it is lack of lifetime and no difinitive statements regarding SDV that has held us back from commiting to more hardware. We have loved TiVo for a long time, but our needs must be met for the relationship to continue...

[justapixel]

We are upgrading our TV system in the next few months, I hope, and getting HD. I have Direct TV too, but I guess I'll switch to cable so I can still have TiVo. Series three, here we come.

I do like Direct TV much better than cable though. Maybe I'll look into SureWest instead of Cox.

[nrc]

I'm puzzled. If you have no TiVo and you don't miss it, why are you here? Not on this site, but in this forum particularly. Perhaps you're missing something afterall? ;)

[samo]

We are upgrading our TV system in the next few months, I hope, and getting HD. I have Direct TV too, but I guess I'll switch to cable so I can still have TiVo. Series three, here we come.

I do like Direct TV much better than cable though. Maybe I'll look into SureWest instead of Cox.
You may want to wait till September before you make a switch. With new satellite already up and DirecTV promising 100+ HD channels, you may want to forfeit TiVo for the available content. HR20 is not that bad (not as good as VIP622 from Dish, but still very nice unit, IMHO better than S3). And you wouldn't have to worry about CC headaches or potential SDV problems in a future.

[cwerdna]

1) Initial expense (comcast DVR is $10/month)
2) As I said, unlike some others the Comcast DVR has worked really well for me (Motorola 3416). It's missing some of the features that tivo has (e.g. wishlists), but nothing I couldn't live without.

Some of the other people probably didn't have the same software as you.

I suspect you have iGuide. Comcast also had some areas w/SARA (which people seem to say is crap) while the Seattle and Spokane areas had MSTV (Microsoft TV Foundation Edition). I also hear that Comcast inherited some former Adelphia areas which used Moxi.

[GoHokies!]

You may want to wait till September before you make a switch. With new satellite already up and DirecTV promising 100+ HD channels, you may want to forfeit TiVo for the available content. HR20 is not that bad (not as good as VIP622 from Dish, but still very nice unit, IMHO better than S3). And you wouldn't have to worry about CC headaches or potential SDV problems in a future.Yes, but there aren't 100+ channels worth of content out there yet, so that's a waste. Couple that with DTV's sub-par, low-bitrate "HD" and I'm not interested.

[Redux]

HR20 is not that bad (not as good as VIP622 from Dish, but still very nice unit, IMHO better than S3). And you wouldn't have to worry about CC headaches or potential SDV problems in a future.BS Alert!

[jtlytle]

I'm interesting to get one more S2DT TiVo. Should I buy one from TiVo.com or from here?

[scooterboy]

Some of the other people probably didn't have the same software as you.

I suspect you have iGuide.
You are correct. :)

[justapixel]

You may want to wait till September before you make a switch. With new satellite already up and DirecTV promising 100+ HD channels, you may want to forfeit TiVo for the available content. HR20 is not that bad (not as good as VIP622 from Dish, but still very nice unit, IMHO better than S3). And you wouldn't have to worry about CC headaches or potential SDV problems in a future.

September? Next month? That is when we are planning on upgrading everything - a gift to ourselves for our wedding anniversary.

Why would you say it's better than the S3? I really love the TiVo interface. I can learn another if it does the basics of what TiVo does - search through shows, set season passes, etc. (I don't use the suggestions.) Especially with 100 HD channels. But, I do require dual tuners.

I admit I've paid no attention in a few years. I've been happy with my dual-tuner DTivos and like Direct TV......

[Stanley Rohner]

Most of the 100+ HD channels DIRECTV will be adding means more local HD channels provided to customers, but there will be more HD channels added to the HD programming package line-up.

[jimborst]

I believe we (Dish) get 9 new HD channels on the 15th. Don't remember what they were (I was only interested in a few). The only one I seen listed on a website that Dish hasn't commited to yet is CNNHD, but then it's not up yet and CNN doesn't even have a projected date yet.

[samo]

September? Next month? That is when we are planning on upgrading everything - a gift to ourselves for our wedding anniversary.

Why would you say it's better than the S3? I really love the TiVo interface. I can learn another if it does the basics of what TiVo does - search through shows, set season passes, etc. (I don't use the suggestions.) Especially with 100 HD channels. But, I do require dual tuners.

I admit I've paid no attention in a few years. I've been happy with my dual-tuner DTivos and like Direct TV......
DirecTV announced long ago that they have about 70 or so cable channels providers just waiting for them launch 2 new satellites. They already have one of them up and will be announcing new channels in September. I don't have insider's track on that, but here is what DirecTV PR say:
EL SEGUNDO, Calif., May 23, 2007 - DIRECTV, the nation's leading satellite television service provider, continues to set the stage for its unprecedented expansion of HD services. With agreements in place to launch four Discovery HD channels, five HD channels from Starz, CNBC and Chiller in HD, along with recently completed deals with The History Channel and A&E, DIRECTV is on schedule to roll out up to 100 national HD channels by year-end to satisfy the appetite of its HD customers, who have doubled over the last year.
As for DirecTV HR20, I can only speak for myself, but I have zero problems with it. When I compare it with S3 , I do it on presumption that S3 does everything like S2 except for HD. I don't have S3 but I do read S3 forum and I read S3 manual. Nothing in a manual tells me that S3 has anything substantially different from S2 as far as interface or features. Considering that there several threads in S3 going on from introduction till present with people telling horror stories with cable card installs, I would assume that there is substantial probability that you will have at least a some hustle to get them working right. Then, there are also ongoing threads about SDV with all kinds of speculations.
Personally, I wouldn't even consider getting S3 even if chance of multiple truck rolls was under 5%. But my biggest beef with S3 is one way communication that prevents you from ordering PPV with remote control. I refuse to resort to the last century technology (calling provider on the phone) to order PPV.
My take on HR20 may be different from most TiVo lovers because I use my DVRs for DVR functions only. I don't care about MRV, Kids Zone, Amazon movie downloads or any other extras. To me DVR should do:
1. Time shifting with easy scheduling.
2. Trick play
3. Program guide.
HR20 does all that plus some features that are nice but not essential.
To summarize it, here is a list of what HR20 does just about a same way as TiVo:
1. One button recording from program or guide.
2. Season pass like feature.
3. Wishlist like feature
4. Search by title, actor etc.
5. Manual recording.
6. Trick play.
7. External HD expansion (although TiVo doesn't officailly support it)
In addition, I like PIP while in guide or now showing, on screen caller ID and RF remote. Interactive applications are nice, but I hardly use them.
Biggest beef that many people have with HR20 (I don't) is a single buffer. Some people like to keep 2 buffers going and flip between channels. I could never figure what a problem is, because you could easily hit record button and flip between shows just like if it was a dual-buffer.
If you care to read some complaints about HR20 (I strongly recommend it before you spend your money), go to dbstalk.com and have fun.

[MickeS]

Yeah, Mick. I had the SARA and they updated it so it was less a POS. Simple to use, added extra clicks (up to 4 for real speedy) and a few other selection updates. Much improved and tolerable.

Some things wre good and real simple. The search function sucked--couldn't touch Tivo. The recording choices improved but still primitive, no wishlist or other sophisticated things.

So, it was tolerable and simple to use, but once you have Tivo, it's the standard. But it supplies most of the average joe's needs.

It was mainly the horrible search function that made me hate it. I could only search by the first letter, and then had to scroll through the list down to what I wanted... there are a LOT of shows that start with "S" for example, and the scrolling was horribly slow. Drove me nuts.

Also, it never seemed to let me resume a show where I left off, if I watched somethine else. It always started over from the beginning.

There was more, but those were the biggies. If those two things were fixed in an update, I guess I could (maybe) have put up with it... were they? :)

[megory]

It was mainly the horrible search function that made me hate it. I could only search by the first letter, and then had to scroll through the list down to what I wanted... there are a LOT of shows that start with "S" for example, and the scrolling was horribly slow. Drove me nuts.

Also, it never seemed to let me resume a show where I left off, if I watched somethine else. It always started over from the beginning.

There was more, but those were the biggies. If those two things were fixed in an update, I guess I could (maybe) have put up with it... were they? :)No, they were NOT fixed, and my frustation is what brought me back here! The search function continues to suck, and yes, it DOES lose your place when you go off to look at another.

Life is a series of tradeoffs. Using TiVo again, I am frustrated with:

Too many clicks to do almost anything: E.g.,

To record now, I need to go through many menus with hesitation between each menu. (TiVo turns off both the volume and the picture as I travel through too many choices and menus.) And, after I do all the clicking and <please wait>ing, I am given yet another menu to read that it is going to record, and press select to continue, instead of going back to the recording. This is a PITA to me.

Tivo's slooooowness changing channels.

Tivo's cutting off the last 15-30 seconds of many shows.

Difficulty in padding shows. In the SAPOS, all I need to do is change the time as I record.

Difficulties in configuring each Tivo and all the setup problems that occur.

The time investment in getting TiVo to work right <g> (which, if you see it through, is a bonding experience that creates loyalty.)

The commitment contract is extremely offputting. I'm more likely to stay loyal or forget to cancel, when I don't have a sword over my head. I kept paying TiVo for more than a year when I didn't even have it hooked up. Now, I will be assiduous about cancellation deadlines. (must cancel one box tomorrow before the 30 days is up!!) I do not like contracts and don't have one on any product. Except TiVo.


OTOH, SA-POS doesn't allow me to eliminate channels I don't want to see (shopping, religion, kidshows, etc.).

SA-POS sorta season pass is rudimentary, and requires all sorts of recording and silliness, and no way to resolve problems when too many programs are scheduled at the same time.

The search is absolutely terrible (rudimentary is too complimentary as you have noticed <g>)

There are NO sounds! I MISS the click sounds.

Setup is a breeze and doesn't require all sorts of interventions to get it going and working right. If it goes down, I call BrightHouse and, if they can't fix it, I drive to their office and pick up a new DVR.

There is no contract! Ergo, no fear of commitment.

Two shows are recorded at the same time and you can view a previously recorded one. I understand the DT (which I just received) and the TivoHD can do that too.

I'm going through a total review right now, trying to figure if I want to stay subsribed to TiVo--for my analog POS. I'll keep the SA for the HDTV, but I might keep the DT for the analog. The commitment might be the deal breaker. It's a tough choice.

[MickeS]

No, they were NOT fixed, and my frustation is what brought me back here! The search function continues to suck, and yes, it DOES lose your place when you go off to look at another.


Interesting, if I could only have fixed two things, those would have been it. :)


Life is a series of tradeoffs. Using TiVo again, I am frustrated with:

Too many clicks to do almost anything: E.g.,

To record now, I need to go through many menus with hesitation between each menu. (TiVo turns off both the volume and the picture as I travel through too many choices and menus.) And, after I do all the clicking and <please wait>ing, I am given yet another menu to read that it is going to record, and press select to continue, instead of going back to the recording. This is a PITA to me.


Hmm... I don't understand... if you mean record what's currently showing, or recording from the guide, it takes at most 3 keypresses for me... or do you mean something else?


Tivo's slooooowness changing channels.


Since I'm not using an external box, it might be different, but I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary.


Tivo's cutting off the last 15-30 seconds of many shows.


Hm.... I don't have that problem. Shouldn't that be a problem with the broadcaster?


Difficulty in padding shows. In the SAPOS, all I need to do is change the time as I record.


That's all I do on my TiVo too... plus it has the "auto-padding" for season passes, which amazingly did not work on the SA8300 - even if I changed the "SP" settings on it, it only padded the next recording, and changed back to no padding after that.


Difficulties in configuring each Tivo and all the setup problems that occur.

The time investment in getting TiVo to work right <g> (which, if you see it through, is a bonding experience that creates loyalty.)


:) I don't have CableCARD so that might be why I haven't had any problems.


The commitment contract is extremely offputting. I'm more likely to stay loyal or forget to cancel, when I don't have a sword over my head. I kept paying TiVo for more than a year when I didn't even have it hooked up. Now, I will be assiduous about cancellation deadlines. (must cancel one box tomorrow before the 30 days is up!!) I do not like contracts and don't have one on any product. Except TiVo.


I agree with that. Although I signed up for 3 years with my Series 3.


OTOH, SA-POS doesn't allow me to eliminate channels I don't want to see (shopping, religion, kidshows, etc.).

SA-POS sorta season pass is rudimentary, and requires all sorts of recording and silliness, and no way to resolve problems when too many programs are scheduled at the same time.

The search is absolutely terrible (rudimentary is too complimentary as you have noticed <g>)

There are NO sounds! I MISS the click sounds.

Setup is a breeze and doesn't require all sorts of interventions to get it going and working right. If it goes down, I call BrightHouse and, if they can't fix it, I drive to their office and pick up a new DVR.

There is no contract! Ergo, no fear of commitment.

Two shows are recorded at the same time and you can view a previously recorded one. I understand the DT (which I just received) and the TivoHD can do that too.

I'm going through a total review right now, trying to figure if I want to stay subsribed to TiVo--for my analog POS. I'll keep the SA for the HDTV, but I might keep the DT for the analog. The commitment might be the deal breaker. It's a tough choice.

Not sure what the setup issues you had with the TiVo is... I've never had any problems on that front.

But I agree that the non-comittment for the cable DVR is a big plus, and also the fact that you don't have to worry that it will break. Of course, there's no way that I know of to keep your recordings if it does (I managed to save my TiVo recordings to the new harddrive when the original harddrive was going south).

Both have pluses and minuses, but when the minuses for me about the cable DVR were the two things that I primarily used it for, then it was pretty bad... :)

[megory]

Absolutely. Each of us weighs different features according to our own style and habits.

Frankly, a DVR is something I want to make my life easier as a tool. I don't want it to become the center of my life.

KISS

PS: the cable company has telephone customer service 24/7!

[MoxiGuy]

I also hear that Comcast inherited some former Adelphia areas which used Moxi.AFIK, there's only one Adelphia area with Moxi that went to Comcast--Colorado Springs.

[Steve13]

My TiVo History................

Bought a Series 1 the first day it became available. It truly changed TV viewing in our house.
(used S1 with DirecTV STB's and IR blasters)

Bought three HR-250 DirecTivo's they day they became available

Bought two HR-10 HD DirecTivo's the day they became available

Had a brief "affair" with Comcast and their DVR. Quickly realized the error of my ways and went running back to Tivo, begging for forgiveness.

"Upgraded" to the non Tivo DirecTV HR-2o HD DVR's . Hated it, returned it to DTV within a couple of weeks.

Got tired of rain fade and weather related issues. Dumped DirecTV and my beloved Tivo for Verizon FIOS.

Almost cancelled FIOS the first day after realizing you couldn't swap tuners without losing the buffers.

Held on to FIOS for a couple of months waiting for their new interface.

Got the new FIOS interface...lived with it for a week. Just purchased two new TivoHD's, which came out just in the nick of time.

TiVo and I are happy. Together again. I promised to never look at another DVR again. I think it's true love.

[Joey Bagadonuts]

I'm not leaving TiVo, I've just opted not to pay for an S3 now that I am replacing my 20 year old 19" Zenith with a brand new 46" HD Panasonic TV. I'm moving the Zenith and corresponding S2 to a spare room and will be going with a Time Warner HD DVR. Sorry Tivo, I just couldn't justify paying several hundreds of dollars for a DVR that provides a fraction of the services your S2 does. Not only that but, after monitoring the Official Time Warner Cable thread and reading all the problems people have been having with the cable cards, I've decided I don't want to bother with it and I'm just going to go with a cable co. DVR.