How will the lack of TTG and/or MRV affect your TiVo buying decision?

[brewman]

I purchased an S3 early on , was aware it didn't support TTG or MRV, and was/am okay with that. I also have two other S2s. The next TiVo unit I buy will have to support HD and MRV to replace one of my S2s. I won't be buying another TiVo that doesn't support MRV. I'm sure I'm not the only person out there who requires either TTG or MRV.

[HDTiVo]

There is about a $100 difference between what I would pay for an S3 with and without MRV/TTG.

Real world example:

I would have bought a father's day S3 if MRV/TTG were enabled.

[jeremy3721]

No MRV, No deal.

[Unix_Beard]

I'm buying one but keeping both of my S2's for the time being hoping for MRV soon.

[pdhenry]

It needs to downconvert to S2 resolution for MRV to be worth anything to me.

[sniperlv]

No MRV, No deal.

What he said.

[supasta]

No MRV, No deal.What he said.
+1

Enable TTG and MRV on the TiVoHD and I will pick 2 up in a snap to replace my 2 DT units.
That is #1. Second only to that is the cost/options of eSATA storage expansion.

[sniperlv]

+1

Enable TTG and MRV on the TiVoHD and I will pick 2 up in a snap to replace my 2 DT units.
That is #1. Second only to that is the cost/options of eSATA storage expansion.

Yup I too was going to order 2 this past Tuesday until I read the lack of features. Then decided to wait. If Tivo says they are working on these it could be a long time before they release. Going by their track record over the years past, its better to wait.

[rewster]

acually the only thing that will stop me from buying one is the lack of lifetime

[RoyK]

No MRV, No deal.

Same here. If it wasn't for MRV I'd still be using TiVo Basic on my 3 SD-H400s.

Actually that's not correct. If it wasn't for MRV I'd still only have ONE SD-H400 and it would be using Basic.

[ZeoTiVo]

acually the only thing that will stop me from buying one is the lack of lifetime
For me as well. Brewman forgot the poll option for
"I am comfortable with the indiciations from TiVo that TTG/MRV will come by the end of the year"

[brewman]

For me as well. Brewman forgot the poll option for
"I am comfortable with the indiciations from TiVo that TTG/MRV will come by the end of the year"

I had thought about that, but decided that is equivalent to option 1: "I'll buy regardless of the presence of TTG/MRV." My reasoning is that since TiVo says it's at least in part a CableLab issue their "promises" to deliver one or the other feature are essentially meaningless marketing hype since its not entirely in their control. Basically, the purpose of this poll is to determine what people consider deal-breakers.

[dylanemcgregor]

I'm waiting for a few reasons (lack of a job right now being the biggest), but as far as these features are concerned I'm waiting for ComeBack (Was an official name for this ever decided on, I'd like to be able to easily abbreviate like TTG?)

[brnscofrnld]

I really want to see the MRV option before I get on the HD wagon. I love my TIVOs and the option to move the show to where ever I want to watch.

Hopefully they at least get the MRV option active soon.

[ZeoTiVo]

I had thought about that, but decided that is equivalent to option 1: "I'll buy regardless of the presence of TTG/MRV." My reasoning is that since TiVo says it's at least in part a CableLab issue their "promises" to deliver one or the other feature are essentially meaningless marketing hype since its not entirely in their control. Basically, the purpose of this poll is to determine what people consider deal-breakers.
OK, I answered will buy regardless then.

Now as to what TiVo is doing with TTG/MRV from all I am reading on it.
Cable labs can only control what TiVo does with shows that come across the encrypted part of the digital stream from the cable card. So what TiVo says they are working on is to do MRV/TTG for all content that comes on unencrypted channels and anything recorded from an Antenna (OTA).

This means they are working on MRV/TTG that does NOT need cable labs approval or wait for them

You can get HD from OTA. This means they can deliver MRV/TTG for the bulk of the channels you record (unless you do a lot of showtime or other premium channel recording) Since they have MRV/TTG already written then I am pretty confident they can deliver something by the end of the year. Now that will come on the current S3 model first since it has the 8.3 code branch but TiVo has said it will come to the TiVo HD soon after that in what I assume would be a release that brings the TiVo HD to the 8.3 level and has bot models on the same code level.

Jim Denny from TiVo did say that the TTG/MRV would be for anything that did not have a broadcast flag on it. This could include things like showtime since they do not set a flag I have heard of yet. Not sure if he just mis-spoke what the plan is or not

[HDTiVo]

For me as well. Brewman forgot the poll option for
"I am comfortable with the indiciations from TiVo that TTG/MRV will come by the end of the year"
Maybe because TiVo has NOT said that.

Jim Denny from TiVo did say that the TTG/MRV would be for anything that did not have a broadcast flag on it.

Denny did NOT say that either. Nor any of the other things you claim. You ought to show us what you are reading, because it isn't anything I've been able to find.

I had thought about that, but decided that is equivalent to option 1: "I'll buy regardless of the presence of TTG/MRV." My reasoning is that since TiVo says it's at least in part a CableLab issue their "promises" to deliver one or the other feature are essentially meaningless marketing hype since its not entirely in their control. Basically, the purpose of this poll is to determine what people consider deal-breakers.

Not totally meaningless marketing hype, because there is some indication of actual activity in the comment(s)

[HDTiVo]

+1

Enable TTG and MRV on the TiVoHD and I will pick 2 up in a snap to replace my 2 DT units.
That is #1. Second only to that is the cost/options of eSATA storage expansion.
I have an S3 and am in the market for 3 more hi-def TiVoes when MRV is here and Lifetime is $299. :D

[ZeoTiVo]

For me as well. Brewman forgot the poll option for
"I am comfortable with the indiciations from TiVo that TTG/MRV will come by the end of the year"Maybe because TiVo has NOT said that.
then you are calling megazone in his TiVo Lovers TiVo HD review (http://www.tivolovers.com/a-review-of-the-tivo-hd-digital-media-recorder/) a liar, which i am sure you do not mean to do so would retract that statement

paragrpah just above "Looking Inside" section
Also like the S3, network video transfers (TiVoToGo, TiVoToComeBack, and Multi-Room Viewing) are not yet enabled. I also talked to TiVo about this, and I was told that they’re planning to enable these by the end of the year. So, by the end of 2007 we should have both official eSATA and network video transfers if they can execute to plan.

[HDTiVo]

There is a difference between planning and will. There is a difference between negotiating for and will.

I'm sure TiVo is working hard on working towards all this stuff.

[ZeoTiVo]

There is a difference between planning and will. There is a difference between negotiating for and will.

I'm sure TiVo is working hard on working towards all this stuff.
There is half full and half empty.
You yourself posted that you were surprised by how soon the Tivo HD came out. To me this indicates that TiVo is on a new direction of delivering what needs delivering and clearly they need to deliver MRV/TTG on the S3. I am sure the CEO gets weekly reports on that progress and it is directly tied to his direct reports performance plan. So if TiVo states to someone they know will publicly report that TTG is coming by end of year then they do have a plan in place and it is the execution phase that is the only doubt. I choose to look at how TiVo has executed un 2006/2007 and I see them executing their plans. :up:

[HDTiVo]

There is half full and half empty.

I don't take one or two positive things as a complete turnaround after a long history. And I look at the facts that TiVo's statements (ie. Web site) on the eSata and MRV/TTG differ in that eSata is listed as "late 2007" and MRV/TTG is "the future"; and that they are still negotiating the issue of resolution dependence vs. copy flag dependence.

And I don't tell people it will happen. If I thought as you do I'd tell people 'TiVo thinks they can release it by the end of the year' or something similar.

[pkscout]

TTG would be nice (really TiVoComeBack so I can archive some things when I get close to filling up the space on the drive), but not necessary. We really only watch TV in one room in the house, so MRV isn't all that useful for me.

[ZeoTiVo]

and that they are still negotiating the issue of resolution dependence vs. copy flag dependence.

And I don't tell people it will happen. If I thought as you do I'd tell people 'TiVo thinks they can release it by the end of the year' or something similar.
there may be negotiation on the shows that come via digitally encrypted channels.
But there is no negotiation on channels that come in the clear or over OTA. All TiVo has to do with those shows is honor the macro vision flag on copy restrictions, cable labs has no say on them what so ever. That is a fact. TiVo can proceed to develop an S3 version of MRV/TTG around that right now and it sounds like they are.

I also very specifically said "I am comfortable" or something else that clearly delineates the statement as my opinion.

still you can not refute the fact that TiVo via its employees did in an official interview state they are working a plan to have MRV/TTG by the end of the year"
refute that or retract your statement

[jmoak]

I'll buy one of the new HDTivos regardless of TTG and MRV.

A dual tuner (cable AND ota) dvr with the tivo interface and remote, tivocast, hdmi out, cablecard compatable, killer searches AND dependability for $300? A simple swap with one of my existing tivos with no additional commitment or price increase? You bet your buns I'll jump!

I'll miss TTG and MRV and I hope they're included one day, but I can easily live without 'em for a $300 entry point.

Matter of fact, I'll own one of these buggers this afternoon if my local cc doesn't sell out of them before I get there!

:D

[brewman]

I'll buy one of the new HDTivos regardless of TTG and MRV.

A dual tuner (cable AND ota) dvr with the tivo interface and remote, tivocast, hdmi out, cablecard compatable, killer searches AND dependability for $300? A simple swap with one of my existing tivos with no additional commitment or price increase? You bet your buns I'll jump!

I'll miss TTG and MRV and I hope they're included one day, but I can easily live without 'em for a $300 entry point.

Matter of fact, I'll own one of these buggers this afternoon if my local cc doesn't sell out of them before I get there!

:D

That was my exact feeling with the S3 (albeit for more $$$$$) , and it was replacing an S1 with lifetime transfer so I wasn't losing any real capability.

As to the question of whether or not any of the cable-card capable TiVos will ever support MRV I'm cautiously hopeful, but certainly not enough to bet money (ie, buy another TiVo) on it.

[yunlin12]

I already have a S3 and a S2DT, would like to replace the S2DT with a HD, but only if it has TTG so I don't lose feature compared with the S2DT. Ideally would like to have MRV also, but unless the S3 is also MRV capable, there is not much point.

[HDTiVo]

there may be negotiation on the shows that come via digitally encrypted channels.
But there is no negotiation on channels that come in the clear or over OTA. All TiVo has to do with those shows is honor the macro vision flag on copy restrictions, cable labs has no say on them what so ever. That is a fact. TiVo can proceed to develop an S3 version of MRV/TTG around that right now and it sounds like they are.

I also very specifically said "I am comfortable" or something else that clearly delineates the statement as my opinion.

still you can not refute the fact that TiVo via its employees did in an official interview state they are working a plan to have MRV/TTG by the end of the year"
refute that or retract your statement
Your statements are made up out of thin air. You are just saying anything that comes into your head.

You lied about what Megazone said and about what you claimed to have read, and you lied when you stated that I called Megazone a liar.

You have an agenda to misrepresent things about TiVo in an artifically positive light, putting out false information. What is your motivation?

[dcheesi]

All I have is an S1, so I'm pretty sure I can live without those features :)

[smithken31100]

Since I don't have HD I don't plan on buying an S3. I have 1 television so MRV is useless to me. I don't use TTG either so MRV and TTG don't affect my S3 purchase decision.

[ZeoTiVo]

Your statements are made up out of thin air. You are just saying anything that comes into your head.

You lied about what Megazone said and about what you claimed to have read, and you lied when you stated that I called Megazone a liar.

You have an agenda to misrepresent things about TiVo in an artifically positive light, putting out false information. What is your motivation?why would you deny what is right there in his review and I clearly linked to, right down to where the statement is (http://http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5358960&&#post5358960)? what is your motivation? Mine was simply to state the truth

everyone else can see the statement is there on that site and that you are acting like a complete troll. Why would you want to lose so much credibility?


There is no misrepresentation in saying that TiVo plans to have MRV/TTG enabled on the S3 line by the end of the year.

[HDTiVo]

MRV/TTG will be in place by the end of the year for the S3 line.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5355653&&#post5355653

[ZeoTiVo]

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5355653&&#post5355653
yah, so. that one was the most positive. All I did was forget the grammar to add in it was my opinion. Also that post was even in a different thread from this.

You called me a liar for what was said in this thread and that I was making things up when in fact we have a statement from TiVo stating their plan is to have MRV/TTG by the end of the year.

You can retract your stupid, trollish attack or continue to lose credibility with anyone still reading the nonsense you are spilling out. my apologies to all for this threadcrap but I do not like being called a liar when the facts clearly show the opposite is the case.

[classicsat]

I have no intention to get a Series 3 anyway.

But if I were in a position to get one, I wouldn't let the lack of transfers, or the likelihood of a reduced feature transfers, affect my decision to get one.