When will MRV and/or TTG be enabled on S3???

[dmk1974]

When will MRV and/or TTG be enabled on S3???

[fritolayguy]

Maybe they will offer a package deal with lifetime subscriptions.....

:D :D :D

[classicX]

I voted never, for obvious reasons.

[dig_duggler]

I've had to explain to my wife like 3 times that the new Tivo can't do what they old Tivo could.

Wife: Because why?

Me: Because CableLabs..

Wife: Who?

Me: Nevermind. It just doesn't work.

[hdhdliving]

I voted never, for obvious reasons.

Which are? It's not so "obvious" to me, the CEO of TiVo has said they are working on a way to get it to us.

[classicsat]

By the end of the year;
A rework of the transfers engine that can granularily be enabled, and recognizes the difference between cablecard protected, OTA digital, and unprotected content, and will only trasnfer the latter until the former is approved and enabled.

[drew00001]

I voted for by the end of the year . . . but don't think they'll both be enabled by then.

[LoREvanescence]

I voted never, for obvious reasons.


Same, at least until the laws change and digital broadcasts are not as restrictive.

[MickeS]

For digitally recorded content, or for analog?

For digital, I'd vote "never", sadly. For analog, I'm hoping in the next 6 months or so.

[dig_duggler]

For digitally recorded content, or for analog?

For digital, I'd vote "never", sadly. For analog, I'm hoping in the next 6 months or so.

They stated back in January that nothing was holding analog up except for them and that they were working on it. Sadly I'm not too optimistic (remember AAC support for iTunes, Netflix, etc.).

Prove me wrong Tivo. Prove me wrong.

[classicX]

Which are? It's not so "obvious" to me, the CEO of TiVo has said they are working on a way to get it to us.

Firstly, "working on" and "have" are two different things. Either the FCC steps in and says that Tivo is allowed to essentially duplicate recordings (fat chance), the content owners say it's OK (fat chance), or Tivo invests significant time and money (which for them is still in short supply) in completely re-engineering the way they impliment MRV, which would not only include S3 units, but also any other Tivo model that has MRV functions.

They may eventually just do something like allowing only analog or OTA recordings, but I doubt they would go through the time and effort for a relatively small percentage of S3 owners.

TTG will never be allowed for digital recordings, and those reasons are more obvious than the above.

[HDTiVo]

Maybe they are focused on having MRV/TTG (to whatever extent possible) available for the cheapo-HD unit release time frame.

[astrohip]

When will MRV and/or TTG be enabled on S3???
What's the point of this poll? Yes, we want it. Some more than others. To some it's the critical feature that keeps them buying an S3, or another S3. To others, they would love to see it, sooner than later, but what can you do?

Back to my question--what's the point of the poll? We don't know when they will bring out this feature. Any response is a guess. So why poll us? Are we starting a betting pool?

I'm sorry, I guess I need to take my be nice meds, but I just don't get the point of a thread like this. :confused:

[dmk1974]

What's the point of this poll?

The correct answer wins a S3! (J/K).

No, just to generate the discussion and gauge what people's expectations and assumptions are for when this feature will be available for our S3's. Long time promised, but still nothing has come to fruition.

[hdhdliving]

Firstly, "working on" and "have" are two different things. Either the FCC steps in and says that Tivo is allowed to essentially duplicate recordings (fat chance), the content owners say it's OK (fat chance), or Tivo invests significant time and money (which for them is still in short supply) in completely re-engineering the way they impliment MRV, which would not only include S3 units, but also any other Tivo model that has MRV functions.

They may eventually just do something like allowing only analog or OTA recordings, but I doubt they would go through the time and effort for a relatively small percentage of S3 owners.

TTG will never be allowed for digital recordings, and those reasons are more obvious than the above.

So your "obvious reasons" are simply your opinions and nothing more. :)

[HDTiVo]

What's the point of this poll?

.........


I'm sorry, I guess I need to take my be nice meds, but I just don't get the point of a thread like this. :confused:
And you are the one that started "Why do people take offense at non-TiVo features? (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=355397) "
:confused: :eek: :confused:

[snathanb]

I'm sorry, I guess I need to take my be nice meds, but I just don't get the point of a thread like this. :confused:

This is a discussion forum about the S3. It spurs discussion. Period. If you don't want to read the thread, don't read it.

[Dajad]

And you are the one that started "Why do people take offense at non-TiVo features? (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=355397) "

:p :p Oh ... that produced a belly roll laugh! Thanks HDTiVo! :D :D

I picked "Never" because it was closer in time. The time frames are more like:

- this year
- next year
- within three years
- within five yeras
- within 10 years

If those were my options I would have picked within 3 years. After 8 years of experience with TiVo I've discovered that feature availability is almost always inversely proportional to my desire for the feature - with hundreds of features I don't care about being rolled out continuously! :)

...Dale

[HDTiVo]

:p :p Oh ... that produced a belly roll laugh! Thanks HDTiVo! :D :D

My new secret fantasy is that TiVo is working on implementing the DTCP-IP thing on both the S2 and S3 and will have it ready with the cheap-o HD unit release.

[bdraw]

I would have said within a year to MRV, but voted no, cause I don't think TTG will ever happen, atleast not for CableCARD equipped boxes.

[miller890]

I must be feeling optimistic, I am the first vote for July out of 80 votes.:D

[riddick21]

I think they would at least enable analog recording for MRV this year. What's to stop them from doing this when the S2 already does this.

[knarf829]

Personally, I'd be happy to just be able to transfer videos FROM my computer TO my S3 at this point like I could do on my S2. I don't see why that should be a problem, but apparently it is.

[madneon]

Personally, I'd be happy to just be able to transfer videos FROM my computer TO my S3 at this point like I could do on my S2. I don't see why that should be a problem, but apparently it is.
AMEN

actually even tho I do own a series 3 as well as a DT series 2 besides MRV I would love to transfer movies from my PC to the series 3.......if they could enable that I would be happy ( but I will remain Opto. and will smile when they enable all the features we want)

[rocull]

Tivo finally removed the ability on tivo.com's DVR Preferences page to set the "Allow Transfers" checkbox for S3's. I wonder if this means anything.

[cotton168]

I voted for never, but I am still holding out for a little glimmer of hope. LOL

[magnus]

It seems that you should at least be able to move files from your S2s to a S3. Also, you should be able to move OTA HD/SD content to the PC or other Tivos. I just wonder why we cannot get that functionality.

[moyekj]

CableLabs cannot block transfer of unencrypted content - that covers all OTA recordings (analog and digital SD & HD), analog channels and unencrypted QAM channels (SD & HD). I am optimistic that we will get at least unencrypted content MRV and perhaps even TTG and TTCB as a Tivo V.P. reported is slated for late this year sometime.

[larrs]

I would have said within a year to MRV, but voted no, cause I don't think TTG will ever happen, atleast not for CableCARD equipped boxes.

+1

[Mach1_8]

I can't imagine it will never happen. I can do most of the TTG functions with HD material recorded with Vista already. If Vista can do it, TiVo should be able to. I understand Cable Labs wants to have some control, but we're talking about downresing to 480i...what's the big deal?

[moyekj]

I can't imagine it will never happen. I can do most of the TTG functions with HD material recorded with Vista already. If Vista can do it, TiVo should be able to. I understand Cable Labs wants to have some control, but we're talking about downresing to 480i...what's the big deal? Huh? No downresing - unencrypted HD content should remain just as it was broadcast/recorded. If you want 480i then you can do that already by recording from S-video or composite outputs.

[Mach1_8]

Huh? No downresing - unencrypted HD content should remain just as it was broadcast/recorded. If you want 480i then you can do that already by recording from S-video or composite outputs.
No...I meant when recording it to DVD. If you burn a show to DVD, surely it doesn't maintain it's original resolution. (I know...don't call you Shirley! :D )

[nhaigh]

Huh? No downresing - unencrypted HD content should remain just as it was broadcast/recorded. If you want 480i then you can do that already by recording from S-video or composite outputs.


I'd be happy with it downresing as I only use TTG to get TV onto my iPod. Currently I run an S2 recording the same as my S3 to cover this.

IMHO, MRV is more important than TTG. I'd be happy if they gave us just that on the S3 so I can buy a couple more S3's and put them in place of my S2's, after all the only place I want to watch my TiVo recorded HD content is actually other S3 TiVo's.

[classicX]

So your "obvious reasons" are simply your opinions and nothing more. :)

Those are not my opinions. Just because you're hoping beyond hope doesn't mean we have to do the same.

[HDTiVo]

Firstly, "working on" and "have" are two different things. Either the FCC steps in and says that Tivo is allowed to essentially duplicate recordings (fat chance), the content owners say it's OK (fat chance), or Tivo invests significant time and money (which for them is still in short supply) in completely re-engineering the way they impliment MRV, which would not only include S3 units, but also any other Tivo model that has MRV functions.

They may eventually just do something like allowing only analog or OTA recordings, but I doubt they would go through the time and effort for a relatively small percentage of S3 owners.

TTG will never be allowed for digital recordings, and those reasons are more obvious than the above.

Those are not my opinions. Just because you're hoping beyond hope doesn't mean we have to do the same.
How can you say that your doubt about making the effort translates to a fact? TTG/MRV are important differentiating features to TiVo and TiVo puts great importance (and lots of $$$$s) on their differentiating features. (Notwithstanding that MRV and/or TTG type functionality will probably become standard on many DVR/DMR/whatevers in the next two years.)

TTG never allowed? There is progress right now in allowing HD cableCARD content to be moved around on other devices. DTCP-IP is not something you can say is impossible to implement on existing S2/S3s unless you have specific knowledge no one here seems to have - in which case the obviousness falls down.

Indications are that TiVo is doing significant work revamping MRV and/or TTG to get it authorized in some way. There's nothing to indicate one way or another whether that includes digital that I know of, and it is certainly not obvious that it absolutely does not include digital.

[Blahman]

I voted never because I truly doubt that Cablelabs will allow a feature that is soon to be deployed by cable companies on their own equipment (the new Sci-Atl boxes with MRV).

Personally I just wish I could stream my h.264 content that I create and I own to my TiVo and make use of it's decoder to display it on the main TV instead of disconnecting my PC, dragging it to the other room and connecting it to the TV.

It seems absolutely wasteful and a poor business decision to include hardware and then not allow the consumer to use it at the very least.