Cooperative Scheduling

[riddick21]

Do you think this would ever be enabled? I think this would be a really cool feature.

[mattack]

It'll come out right after we get a free space indicator.

[riddick21]

It'll come out right after we get a free space indicator.

har har har

[Arcady]

I'd pay $100 for this feature (assuming MRV is enabled between S3's too.)

Of course, the $100 fee would go away right after I paid it.

[mikebridge]

or just have an option in season passes, to set a season pass to a season pass on another tivo on the same network.

[riddick21]

or just have an option in season passes, to set a season pass to a season pass on another tivo on the same network.

That would also be a good idea and probably easier to implement. Like if there's a conflict on one TiVo you can have an option to send the request to a networked TiVo. I think this is somewhat similar to online scheduling so part of the technology is already in place.

[MediaLivingRoom]

Can I stop holding my breath yet?

[Omikron]

Something similar to this has been available for hacked TiVo units via TivoWebPlus for quite some time now. It has an option for "Conlfict Resolution" in which it searches for conflicting shows, and schedules the conflicts on another local TiVo running TWP software.

It might be worth looking at if this feature is important to you.

[Trel]

Hopefully we will see features like this added by third party programmers on our future TiVo boxes if the GPL v3 is widely adopted.

References on the subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/2007/06/03/tivo_warns_that_gpl3_could_hurt_its_business.html

[ebockelman]

Hopefully we will see features like this added by third party programmers on our future TiVo boxes if the GPL v3 is widely adopted.

References on the subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/2007/06/03/tivo_warns_that_gpl3_could_hurt_its_business.html

All GPL 3 will do is make anyone who cares about intellectual property move away from any GPL3 software.

[Sirius Black]

Some background on what cooperative scheduling is would be helpful. Based on the fact that I'm the only person so far who has asked tells me I'm missing something significant.

[MikeMar]

A lot of people just do sp'a in order on one tivo and backwards on the other tivo, may work for most things.

My only conflicts are primetime and it's easy enough to figure out where what goes

[RoyK]

Some background on what cooperative scheduling is would be helpful. Based on the fact that I'm the only person so far who has asked tells me I'm missing something significant.

Cooperative scheduling is a scheme where networked TiVos are able to schedule recordings on each other - for example if you try to schedule a show on box A but there is a conflict the show might be scheduled to record on box B if it had no conflict.

[ZeoTiVo]

A lot of people just do sp'a in order on one tivo and backwards on the other tivo, may work for most things.

My only conflicts are primetime and it's easy enough to figure out where what goes
having dual tuners has made this feature far less useful to me. I would actually see more benefit now in an FSI since I have two tuners chugging away

[classicsat]

GPL 3.0 won't help. TiVos will still be locked down.

Now if Tivo were to open the TiVo to access the SP/ToDo list over the network, one could have a PC do that.

[riddick21]

having dual tuners has made this feature far less useful to me. I would actually see more benefit now in an FSI since I have two tuners chugging away

Conflicts are far less likely but they still occur on occasion. This will virtually make conflicts impossible.

[ZeoTiVo]

Conflicts are far less likely but they still occur on occasion. This will virtually make conflicts impossible.
True but I went from conflicts about 60% of the time with single tuners to conflicts around 1% of the time and they typically are resolved by simply going to the other DT unit.

I like the idea of being asked on the conflict screen if I would like to try a different TiVo DVR as it saves me the manual step but for me that is a manual step done maybe 4 or 5 times a year now. I would rather see HME apps get access to the scheduling and to do list so a 3rd party smart guy can take it the rest of the way.

I did like how Galleon in days of old would show me all the shows on all my TiVos and would love to see that idea expanded out to a more full featured set of choices as to what to do with them and then have the same with season passes.

[nirisahn]

Something similar to this has been available for hacked TiVo units via TivoWebPlus for quite some time now. It has an option for "Conlfict Resolution" in which it searches for conflicting shows, and schedules the conflicts on another local TiVo running TWP software.

It might be worth looking at if this feature is important to you.
That's great if you're computer literate enough to hack your unit. I wouldn't dare try to hack my unit. I know enough about computers to get myself into trouble when I try to do anything like that on my own, but not enough to get out of it again.

I would like better conflict resolution when programming. I've read the suggestion before that there at least should be a way to resolve a conflict on the screen that shows the conflict, instead of having to leave the screen, check for other showings of both shows, see what showing times are convenient, and then reschedule both shows. It's a real pain.

[JohnBrowning]

Can I stop holding my breath yet?


No, but, we'll be sure to let you know when you can!! :D

[Trel]

All GPL 3 will do is make anyone who cares about intellectual property move away from any GPL3 software.

You are certainly not the first to say that and will not be the last. I will be watching the changes to TiVo closely as I find the license changes fascinating.

GPL 3.0 won't help. TiVos will still be locked down.

Now if Tivo were to open the TiVo to access the SP/ToDo list over the network, one could have a PC do that.

I'm not a lawyer, but I have read many articles and discussions about the GPL 3. As far as I have read there are changes to the license that would legally block the style of hardware level control that TiVo uses if GPL 3 licensed code is included.

It will certainly be interesting, but I hope that TiVo will provide an SDK for us to add features on our own rather than having to hope that the new license forces future hardware open via future GPL 3 code.

[Jonathan_S]

I'm not a lawyer, but I have read many articles and discussions about the GPL 3. As far as I have read there are changes to the license that would legally block the style of hardware level control that TiVo uses if GPL 3 licensed code is included.
That appears to be the case, but the flip side is, TiVo can keep using their existing GPL 2 licensed code forever without being affected by this. So since they seem to want the hardware level control (for revenue stream if nothing else) it seems unlikely they will migrate to GPL 3 code.

[Trel]

That appears to be the case, but the flip side is, TiVo can keep using their existing GPL 2 licensed code forever without being affected by this. So since they seem to want the hardware level control (for revenue stream if nothing else) it seems unlikely they will migrate to GPL 3 code.

That in itself is a very interesting outcome. The GPL 3 may cause some of the current software to be forked so GPL 2 versions can be maintained outside of the Free Software Foundation's ecosystem.

This sort of thing happened when the Wine project switched from the MIT/BSD license to the LGPL. WineX or Cedega was forked at that time into a separately maintained codebase. Fast forward a few years later and you can see what a difference it makes when a separate tree is maintained.

I'm interested to see what happens, but at the same time the more I think about it the more I am disappointed in TiVo for being so closed in the first place. The system runs Linux and we should have an SDK to develop for the TiVo platform without needing hacks to allow the software to run.

[jbell73]

Time to bring this back now that TiVo is actually implementing improvements on the Series 4...

Who thinks this may actually happen?

[tomm1079]

It'll come out right after we get a free space indicator.

it must be soon!

[mattack]

I don't have a Premiere myself, but I'd say that the FSI there isn't exactly what we all dreamed about as a FSI.. though I don't remember at the moment exactly why it doesn't qualify -- oh yeah, it doesn't give anything even a GUESSTIMATE of hours left, just a percentage. Yet the system information screen does give a guesstimate of hours.

Though I think cooperative scheduling is probably even more unlikely, since they're just adding lots of tuners. 4 tuners is pretty much, and with the competition from Ceton's currently-vaporware-but-hopefully-forthcoming 6 tuner model, and Dish's model that-somehow-records-6-things-during-primetime-but-has-3-tuners... it probably won't be coming.

[atmuscarella]

Old threads are interesting to see who was posting back when. Several names I don't see much anymore. Does anyone know what happened to ZeoTiVo?

[windracer]

With the advent of 4 tuner boxes and MRS (and boxes like the Preview), TiVo has sidestepped the need for cooperative scheduling so I doubt we'll see it anytime soon (and really, I don't need it anymore).

As for Zeo, looks like he was last here back in September ... I'm sure he'll be back (if he's got e-mail subscriptions on, he'll see these replies ;)).

[innocentfreak]

Old threads are interesting to see who was posting back when. Several names I don't see much anymore. Does anyone know what happened to ZeoTiVo?

Probably same as most long time posters, he either got banned or got sick of the place.

You can add bkdtv and orangeboy to the list also.

[unitron]

Probably same as most long time posters, he either got banned or got sick of the place.

You can add bkdtv and orangeboy to the list also.

orangeboy's most recent post (as of the date of this post) was in August of 2011 and apparently he moved into a new house and was setting up his home office or something like that, so maybe he's just had his hands full with domestic stuff. No indication that he was unhappy here.

Of course there was no sign of that with richsadams, either, until all of a sudden there was.

[Dan203]

Who thinks this may actually happen?

I don't. TiVo, and the rest of the industry, seems to be moving toward a server/extender model where there is a single box with 4-6 tuners that does all the recording and all the other TVs simply play that content by streaming it from that main box. Technologies like MOCA and M-Cards, and overuse of the CCI bit, are making this a much more attractive solution then cooperative scheduling between multiple TiVo boxes.

There was a time when this made sense. Especially when we were still using S2 TiVos that only had one tuner and almost no restrictions on network transfers. However now that it's possible to create a single TiVo with 4+ tuners and there is the problem of dealing with over bearing copy restrictions the server/extender model seems like the best path forward.

Dan

[magnus]

The Elite needs to work with OTA and then I think everyone might have a point for not having cooperative scheduling.