Vista and UVerse support: Why is Tivo so quite?

[timo123]

Can anyone guess why Tivo hasn't made any claims or posts about status to these issues? The Vista support thing has driven me nuts until I found an Desktop 2.2 installer left over from a while ago, but I would rather be using 2.4.

And there seems to be a healthy interest for U-Verse, but obviously I won't even attempt it until Tivo comes up with a solution.

Any indication either way would be helpful. Hello, Tivo??? Anyone??? :confused:

[Lreh83]

This is really bugging me too. (http://phone-lookup.net) I would think a major company like TiVo wouldn't have a problem supporting the new major operating system after all this time... Have to keep XP on my computer just for TiVo. Most brand-new computers are left in the cold now by TiVo...

[wolflord11]

Tivo has had Years to come up with something compatible with Vista. Microsoft has been working on Vista since 2002. Now why dont they just come up with a patch for the current version of Tivo so it will work in Vista?

It sorta blows the whole TivoToGo thing apart. Maybe they should start advertising Tivo as this: Will not work on all new PC Systems with Vista. Buy a New Computer, lose TivoToGo.

Really, this is disgraceful for the leader in DVR's!

[Stanley Rohner]

Tivo has had Years to come up with something compatible with Vista. Microsoft has been working on Vista since 2002. Now why dont they just come up with a patch for the current version of Tivo so it will work in Vista?

It sorta blows the whole TivoToGo thing apart. Maybe they should start advertising Tivo as this: Will not work on all new PC Systems with Vista. Buy a New Computer, lose TivoToGo.

Really, this is disgraceful for the leader in DVR's!

disgraceful.....
Too funny.
:p

[MickeS]

It is a PITA, and a disappointment, but I'm guessing that both of TiVo's developers have to focus their efforts elsewhere right now, and will get to this sometime next year.

[TiVoPony]

There is a new version of TiVo Desktop in development which is compatible with Vista. No date to share yet.

Pony

[Arcady]

What I don't get is how Vista can offer almost nothing over XP and still manage to break perfectly good programs.

Just install XP. What compelling reason is there to use Vista?

[riddick21]

There is a new version of TiVo Desktop in development which is compatible with Vista. No date to share yet.

Pony

Is a new OSX version being worked on as well for HD photo streaming and video transcoding?

[Arcady]

It will probably come out 3 days before Leopard, then won't run on Leopard.

[Trel]

I think the question we should be asking is why Windows isn't compatible with Windows software. Windows Vista broke compatibility with TivoToGo and not vs. ;)

Disclaimer: I'm a loyal FreeBSD user with Linux on a portable that has hardware better supported by Linux.

[classicsat]

Vista had to break some compatibility to become more secure, or add its features.

[JimSpence]

So Vista has fixed XP security vulnerabilities, but has a whole new set of its own. ;)

[ewilts]

TiVo Desktop 2.4 does *run* on Vista Home Premium - I've posted instructions in another thread on how I got it to work. It's the *installer* that's broken and those broken pieces are all related to security.

.../Ed

[classicsat]

TiVoJerry stated they are now working on the Uverse IR code. No estimated date of release though.

[wolflord11]

There is a new version of TiVo Desktop in development which is compatible with Vista. No date to share yet.

Pony

Probally by the time it comes out, we will have moved onto a new OS and be back to square 1 again.

:D

[wolflord11]

What I don't get is how Vista can offer almost nothing over XP and still manage to break perfectly good programs.

Just install XP. What compelling reason is there to use Vista?

All Vista offers over XP is some eye candy and a few features no one really knows what it does......

Its just another way Microsoft can make more and more Money by forcing people to upgrade their OS. I still use 98 and it still works fine. XP pro I will stay with for Years to come.

[HDTiVo]

There is a new version of TiVo Desktop in development which is compatible with Vista. No date to share yet.

Pony
Temporarily disgraceful them.


It is a PITA, and a disappointment, but I'm guessing that both of TiVo's developers have to focus their efforts elsewhere right now, and will get to this sometime next year.
:D :D :D

One is going back and forth between Australia and New Zealand, and the other is in England.


All Vista offers over XP is some eye candy and a few features no one really knows what it does......

Sounds like Apple will be suing for copyright infringement again then.

[Globular]

A major point is that (almost) all new PCs come with Vista on them. XP isn't an option. I don't like Vista either, but I'm stuck with it and now I'm stuck without TTG. Do I get a refund for TTG Plus because I can't use it? No. Hacks to get 2.4a working on Vista don't count. This should have been addressed before Vista was officially released.

I'm very disapointed in TiVo. There has been plenty of time to get this done. If they don't have the resources to handle this, then I'm just worried about the company surviving. This makes me disinclined to purchase an S3 for my new HD TV (the exorbitant price doesn't help either).

I'm not a troll; I'm a loyal customer; have been for a long time. I love TiVo, but their (lack of) speed at enabling new technologies is frustrating and alarming.

OK, I'm done ranting (for now :) ).

-Matt

[wolflord11]

A major point is that (almost) all new PCs come with Vista on them. XP isn't an option. I don't like Vista either, but I'm stuck with it and now I'm stuck without TTG. Do I get a refund for TTG Plus because I can't use it? No. Hacks to get 2.4a working on Vista don't count. This should have been addressed before Vista was officially released.

I'm very disapointed in TiVo. There has been plenty of time to get this done. If they don't have the resources to handle this, then I'm just worried about the company surviving. This makes me disinclined to purchase an S3 for my new HD TV (the exorbitant price doesn't help either).

I'm not a troll; I'm a loyal customer; have been for a long time. I love TiVo, but their (lack of) speed at enabling new technologies is frustrating and alarming.

OK, I'm done ranting (for now :) ).

-Matt

XP is an option if you build your own PC. Its cheaper than buying another System. Or for the same price, you can get far better performance.

And you are not forced into using an OS you do not want.

:D

[HDTiVo]

XP is an option if you build your own PC. Its cheaper than buying another System. Or for the same price, you can get far better performance.

And you are not forced into using an OS you do not want.

:D
Has Dell stopped offering XP?

[Globular]

XP is an option if you build your own PC. Its cheaper than buying another System. Or for the same price, you can get far better performance.

And you are not forced into using an OS you do not want.

:D

I question that assertion, when you add the cost of a (legal) copy of Windows to the mix.

The point is Grandma isn't going to build her own PC; she's going to get one at Walmart with Vista on it. Now how is she going to upload all her MP4 files to her TiVo :)

-Matt

[Dajad]

I'm cross posting a related thread in the TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo forum:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=349410&page=1&pp=40

since this is the same topic. Workarounds are discussed in that thread. Since I just took possession of my DT-S2 today, I'm keen to get this working on Vista as well.

...Dale

[visionary]

I feel great at all the hostility toward Vista I read here. Yes, don't blame Tivo, it is MS that changed things for no real benefit. A few people running video stuff and games benefit from Vista, everyone else does not. There was no reason to make it incompatable. Then they made computers for sale with only Vista to force it on people. That subsided when many firms would not allow it on their networks and XP returned available. Tivo will get it working, but there is no reason to have changed parts of an OS that already work fine, just add new features in a new OS. Just as you can play old CD's on a new player, Vista should have kept 100 percent XP rules, then added some new ones for new features.

[wolflord11]

Has Dell stopped offering XP?

You can get refurbed Dell units with XP, but all new Systems are Vista.

[wolflord11]

I question that assertion, when you add the cost of a (legal) copy of Windows to the mix.

The point is Grandma isn't going to build her own PC; she's going to get one at Walmart with Vista on it. Now how is she going to upload all her MP4 files to her TiVo :)

-Matt

Here is an example: My AMD A64 3500+ PC costed me $700 to build including a 19" Monitor, 5.1 Speakers etc and a Legal Copy of XP pro.

Taking the same or similar specs into consideration, the closet PC pre build would cost you $3000 Retail. Basically an Area 51 by Alienware or similar.

So whats the better option?

Not only that, nearly all components have lifetime warranty, not your 1-3 Year like a "Dell".

As for Grandma, if she has the Money to go and get a PC with Vista, has Tivo, and wants to upload all her MP4 Files, then why not build her own PC. Age is no barrier, and building a system can be easier than getting a Tivo to work on a Network :D .LOL.

[JJ]

Microsoft
has no concern if TTG works or not. Microsoft is in business to sell an all new, whizbang operating system (with a few flaws to be addressed post relese) every few years. Deveopment of operating systems is not done in secret and someone at TiVo may have heard rumours about it sometime along the way...

If Microsoft happens lure a few cusomers away to Vista Media Center because TiVo is not supporting thier user base, they are the winners...

[Dajad]

Wow, you guys sure have drank the anti-Microsoft cool-aid. I paid to upgrade my system to Vista for the dozens of useful features. With a few exceptions I love it and would never go back to XP.

...Dale

[visionary]

Yep ,and it tastes great today. If any of you are computer shopping, remember to ask about XP, say you may need to shop around because my work does not want Vista, and you may suddenly find you CAN get XP on your new machine after all. It WON'T be advertised because MS gives them a kickback to push Vista selling. But most are smart enough to know a lost sale is no profit at all, and suddenly XP is available.

[MickeS]

Yep ,and it tastes great today. If any of you are computer shopping, remember to ask about XP, say you may need to shop around because my work does not want Vista, and you may suddenly find you CAN get XP on your new machine after all. It WON'T be advertised because MS gives them a kickback to push Vista selling. But most are smart enough to know a lost sale is no profit at all, and suddenly XP is available.
Give it a rest. That your printer didn't have updated drivers for Vista, or that TiVo will not let Desktop install, doesn't mean there's something wrong with Vista.

[CrispyCritter]

You can get refurbed Dell units with XP, but all new Systems are Vista.Not true at all. I got a new Dell just last week with XP.

There are Dell models that are Vista only (the lowest-end consumer models) but they're outnumbered by the models that give you a choice. In particular, anything that might be used for business will give you the choice of XP for months to come.

[davecramer74]

where'd you buy that dell? If you goto their website, you cant get xp even by customizing it. What model is your dell, it must be an old one or you got it off a 3rd party.

[Arcady]

I order Dells every day with XP. I think you need to look in the Business/Education/Government sections to get XP. They only offer Vista on most of the ripoff home user garbage.

[wolflord11]

Not true at all. I got a new Dell just last week with XP.

There are Dell models that are Vista only (the lowest-end consumer models) but they're outnumbered by the models that give you a choice. In particular, anything that might be used for business will give you the choice of XP for months to come.

Thats because much of the equipment used in Businesses is not supported by Vista. So to keep them happy, they can still get XP Machines in order to use all older equipment.

But Home users are forced into not only buying an OS they do not need, but also replacing things like Printers/Scanners etc that are supported by Vista.

[wolflord11]

I order Dells every day with XP. I think you need to look in the Business/Education/Government sections to get XP. They only offer Vista on most of the ripoff home user garbage.

Again its the Money Talking. Home users are expected to upgrade all Printers etc to be Vista Compatible. Try forcing a School, large Business or the Government to not only upgrade all their PC Systems, but every Printer/Scanner you name it to boot.

Alot of businesses are still using Win98 for this very reason. Why do you think MS supported 98 for so long?

[Globular]

OK, OK everyone. Yes, M$ stinks. Vista is a mess, etc. etc. This doesn't change the fact that most PCs will be using Vista someday (relatively) soon, and TiVo to go STILL doesn't work on it!

I don't like Vista either, but it is still inexcusable for TiVo to not support it yet!

We can B&M all we want about Vista, and say how clever we all are for avoiding it one way or the other, but consumers out there are getting it in droves and none of them can use TTG without a hack, or a relatively unknown piece of GPG freeware (Galleon, great though it is, is not a commercial product, so "Grandma" doesn't know about it).

We need to pressure TiVo to fix this soon.

In case you haven't figured it out, I'm really mad at TiVo!

-Matt

[Dajad]

Why do we need to pressure TiVo? TiVoPony said just a few days ago that a Vista version is in the works. I want it NOW too, but I'm willing to wait. I'm sure they'll bring it out sooner or later. In the mean time I'll use an XP laptop. I'm hoping I won't have to buy a SEPARATE Vista version a couple weeks after purchasing the XP version. I presume, though don't know for sure, that the XP version I'm going to buy today (literally today) can be upgraded to the Vista version when it comes out for no extra fee.

And, I want to go on record as saying - Vista is a fantastic product. I'd NEVER go back to XP. As with EVERY OS upgrade I've ever done (and I've been upgrading OS's since 1980) there are always a few growing pains. These will pass and will be soon forgotten about.

For those interested, the best and most comprehensive review of Vista is by Paul Thurrott and can be found here:

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista.asp

...Dale

[Mach1_8]

Why do we need to pressure TiVo? TiVoPony said just a few days ago that a Vista version is in the works. I want it NOW too, but I'm willing to wait. I'm sure they'll bring it out sooner or later. In the mean time I'll use an XP laptop. I'm hoping I won't have to buy a SEPARATE Vista version a couple weeks after purchasing the XP version. I presume, though don't know for sure, that the XP version I'm going to buy today (literally today) can be upgraded to the Vista version when it comes out for no extra fee.

And, I want to go on record as saying - Vista is a fantastic product. I'd NEVER go back to XP. As with EVERY OS upgrade I've ever done (and I've been upgrading OS's since 1980) there are always a few growing pains. These will pass and will be soon forgotten about.

For those interested, the best and most comprehensive review of Vista is by Paul Thurrott and can be found here:

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista.asp


...Dale

Here, here! I couldn't imagine going back to XP after 4 months with Vista. By far the most stable OS I've ever used.

[Arcady]

Here, here! I couldn't imagine going back to XP after 4 months with Vista. By far the most stable OS I've ever used.

Hahahahaha... LOLOL!!!

oh wait, you weren't kidding, were you?

[wfriar]

Excuse my ignorance, but I keep seeing people asking how to download older (pre-2.4) versions of Tivo Desktop, but no one responding to the question.

Then I see people chatting about finding 2.3, 2.2, whatever and having it work just fine, but not saying where they found it.

Would somebody please, please, please, please, please answer the question and bring these two camps together? I'm among those stuck with Vista who can't get Desktop to work. I can't find older versions of Desktop and would love to know where to go. Thanks so much for your help.

[timo123]

I found version 2.2 on my harddrive. :) I did some google searches and found a sites when you could at least download 2.3.

[Lenonn]

Hahahahaha... LOLOL!!!

oh wait, you weren't kidding, were you?

Some of us use and do indeed like Vista. Some of us don't see it as the "evil" "forced upon" upgrade that many seem to think it is.

[Arcady]

I use Vista on a couple of machines. The daily blue screens of death are a joy.

[Mach1_8]

I use Vista on a couple of machines. The daily blue screens of death are a joy.
Dude are you serious? I have not seen one BSOD. I kid you not...I've had it up and running all day every day and not a single BSOD. I run multiple user accounts and I use the machine to stream all sorts of media...including HDTV. If you had multiple BSODs you ought to take a good look at your hardware.

[Lenonn]

Dude are you serious? I have not seen one BSOD. I kid you not...I've had it up and running all day every day and not a single BSOD. I run multiple user accounts and I use the machine to stream all sorts of media...including HDTV. If you had multiple BSODs you ought to take a good look at your hardware.

Yeah, I haven't had even one BSOD since installing Vista.

[Vista User]

You would think that with so many distribution and viewing methods coming out weekly that might possibly compete with Tivo, that they would keep their core of current subscribers happy? After all, how did the vast majority of us come to acquire Tivo for our lives in the first place - RECOMMENDATION!! From friends who were already using it. Now, it's not as if this Vista change were unannounced - a surprise. Guys - this has been coming for years!!
If Tivo were really thinking of the future, they should have had something in place immediately. And if not, their (sad) PR department should be currently working overtime, keeping us abreast of every development, so that we can have our TivoToGo back again (it was the reason I got Tivo in the first place). Tivo has lost our faith (mine cerrtainly), and that's a priceless thing to have to buy back again. This Vista thing is a disaster, and I have not said a good word about Tivo since it happened. I used to praise the product and the company at least 5 times a week. Now, it's the opposite. Start getting pro-active Tivo, before we all run away.

[ourdoc]

If you're seeing BSOD in Vista, good chance it is because of video drivers. As far as Vista breaking Tivo Desktop, it broke it by plugging security holes in the OS and making it more secure and stable. They are both built on the same base. Video cards are having troubles because of the DX10 support and OGL issues.

As far as someone still using 98 and not wanting to upgrade, you're so far back in the dark, you must be doing mainly documents. Most businesses don't want to upgrade because of the cost, and most of those companies use the computers as glorified typewriters with a memory... The majority of those saying how bad Vista is, are not using it, thus you have no clue.

Every tech savvy person I know that has used Vista for more than a week would never go back to XP, including me. It is far more secure, stable and has a lot of advanced features, as long as you have the hardware to support it. Processor power has risen and the computer builders of course want you to upgrade. It’s not MS, it’s the entire industry. But then again, to not do this, would mean to stop advancing technology. If you’re stuck on 98, you will soon be dead in the water, time to upgrade your OS and your hardware or keep driving that Pinto.

As far as TiVo not being ready, they should have been, but in hindsight, until the new version is ready, they should still offer the 2.3a version for download and the instructions to get it working on Vista with appropriate warnings, it's not really that difficult.

TiVoDesktop 2.3a (http://rs37.rapidshare.com/files/31512736/TiVoDesktop2.3a.exe)

[zoma4]

Hahahahaha... LOLOL!!!

oh wait, you weren't kidding, were you?

I agree with Mach1_8. While Vista is by no means as revolutionary as Microsoft made it out to be, I feel it is superior to XP.

[timo123]

Yeah, I haven't had even one BSOD since installing Vista.

I'm running Vista on 3 machines and have yet to see one either. I think the last BSOD I saw was well over a year ago and was due to a faulty device driver. I guess some people just have bad luck.

[wolflord11]

Yeah, I haven't had even one BSOD since installing Vista.

Hell I aint had a BSOD since running XP pro. Maybe the Home version was different.....

[wolflord11]

I agree with Mach1_8. While Vista is by no means as revolutionary as Microsoft made it out to be, I feel it is superior to XP.

Having tried the former "Longhorn" and then the Vista release, I say my XP pro is far better.

And it is modified with alot of the goodies Vista has, for example Sidebar etc.

One thing I have not tried, altho I doubt they will work with Vista is alot of my old software. Some of it had troubles with XP, but I managed to find ways around the problems.

[mrlopez8]

If you're seeing BSOD in Vista, good chance it is because of video drivers. As far as Vista breaking Tivo Desktop, it broke it by plugging security holes in the OS and making it more secure and stable. They are both built on the same base. Video cards are having troubles because of the DX10 support and OGL issues.

As far as someone still using 98 and not wanting to upgrade, you're so far back in the dark, you must be doing mainly documents. Most businesses don't want to upgrade because of the cost, and most of those companies use the computers as glorified typewriters with a memory... The majority of those saying how bad Vista is, are not using it, thus you have no clue.

Every tech savvy person I know that has used Vista for more than a week would never go back to XP, including me. It is far more secure, stable and has a lot of advanced features, as long as you have the hardware to support it. Processor power has risen and the computer builders of course want you to upgrade. It’s not MS, it’s the entire industry. But then again, to not do this, would mean to stop advancing technology. If you’re stuck on 98, you will soon be dead in the water, time to upgrade your OS and your hardware or keep driving that Pinto.

As far as TiVo not being ready, they should have been, but in hindsight, until the new version is ready, they should still offer the 2.3a version for download and the instructions to get it working on Vista with appropriate warnings, it's not really that difficult.

TiVoDesktop 2.3a (http://rs37.rapidshare.com/files/31512736/TiVoDesktop2.3a.exe)


I've been using Win XP & Win Vista on my 2 desktops for 8 months or more. I won't upgrade to Vista on both systems because:

1. The Vista software is too expensive.

2. My HP inkjet printer will not get Vista drivers to match the functionality of the Win XP drivers.

3. My Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro is not supported in Vista. I want to have the same features and programs that I had with Win XP. I may buy another manufacturer's soundcard if they bring a new one to the market. (I will never use Creative again)

4. I love the ATI Remote wonder and I use it to skip forward when watching movies or changing volume on my PC. It is the only remote that can control many basic functions but ATI (The maker of the All In Wonder products) will not support the product any longer. I've tried many ways to get the remote Wonder's sw to install but no luck.

5. My Tivo software is not supported by Vista even if I could get the sw to install I can't get AutoDVRconvert to convert my .tivo files to .mpg.

6. My PCI Modem has no drivers for it either. I went to local PC stores to see if they sold Vista PCI Express modems they said no. I use this modem for faxing documents and I can't convert to Vista if these 6 things aren't addressed.

I doubt any of the sw for my 6 problems will ever be supported in Vista except Tivo Desktop. I worked in the tech industry for more that 25 years and it's clear to me that I need to stay with Win XP. (I'll check the 6 issues again when we receive the SP1 for Vista) :mad:

I doubt I'll be converting to Vista anytime soon.

[ourdoc]

“1. The Vista software is too expensive.”

It still is available for a much lower price legally and has been there for the same price since the release of Vista. Check Newegg for vista+ultimate+oem, less than $200.00

“2. My HP inkjet printer will not get Vista drivers to match the functionality of the Win XP drivers.

Most of HP drivers work fine in Vista, mine does and needed no upgrade of software. Or for less than $100.00 you can get a new one that prints, copies, scans and faxes with ink included…

“3. My Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro is not supported in Vista. I want to have the same features and programs that I had with Win XP.

http://*******.com/34cf35 for 32 bit version
http://*******.com/38qbga for 64 bit version (both Creative site downloads)

“4. I love the ATI Remote wonder and I use it to skip forward when watching movies or changing volume on my PC. It is the only remote that can control many basic functions but ATI (The maker of the All In Wonder products) will not support the product any longer. I've tried many ways to get the remote Wonder's sw to install but no luck.”

ATI has been having some issues, but it will get straightened out. They were involved with Vista build, so I blame them, not MS. There are other better cards/remotes out there. If they are not going to support it, it means it’s to old in their decision to support. Cannot blame MS for advancing.

“5. My Tivo software is not supported by Vista even if I could get the sw to install I can't get AutoDVRconvert to convert my .tivo files to .mpg.”

Per TiVoPony, TiVoToGo for Vista is on its way. 2.3a still works if setup correctly.

“6. My PCI Modem has no drivers for it either. I went to local PC stores to see if they sold Vista PCI Express modems they said no.”

Intel 536 and 537EP modems are apparently supported, most Agere and Conexant modems are also supported.

"I doubt I'll be converting to Vista anytime soon."

Life is all about personal choices. Some will restrict you. I remember people saying they would never update to Win95 and 98 either..... Things move on in the technology field. Some choose to stay behind for a while, and that’s fine. For the rest of us, we find solutions or replacements and advance. Your choice, no one said anyone had to update to Vista, but to knock it is wrong, it is a better, more secure and more stable build. As XP improved on 2000, so is Vista improving on XP.

[wolflord11]

“1. The Vista software is too expensive.”

It still is available for a much lower price legally and has been there for the same price since the release of Vista. Check Newegg for vista+ultimate+oem, less than $200.00

“2. My HP inkjet printer will not get Vista drivers to match the functionality of the Win XP drivers.

Most of HP drivers work fine in Vista, mine does and needed no upgrade of software. Or for less than $100.00 you can get a new one that prints, copies, scans and faxes with ink included…

“3. My Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro is not supported in Vista. I want to have the same features and programs that I had with Win XP.

http://*******.com/34cf35 for 32 bit version
http://*******.com/38qbga for 64 bit version (both Creative site downloads)

“4. I love the ATI Remote wonder and I use it to skip forward when watching movies or changing volume on my PC. It is the only remote that can control many basic functions but ATI (The maker of the All In Wonder products) will not support the product any longer. I've tried many ways to get the remote Wonder's sw to install but no luck.”

ATI has been having some issues, but it will get straightened out. They were involved with Vista build, so I blame them, not MS. There are other better cards/remotes out there. If they are not going to support it, it means it’s to old in their decision to support. Cannot blame MS for advancing.

“5. My Tivo software is not supported by Vista even if I could get the sw to install I can't get AutoDVRconvert to convert my .tivo files to .mpg.”

Per TiVoPony, TiVoToGo for Vista is on its way. 2.3a still works if setup correctly.

“6. My PCI Modem has no drivers for it either. I went to local PC stores to see if they sold Vista PCI Express modems they said no.”

Intel 536 and 537EP modems are apparently supported, most Agere and Conexant modems are also supported.

"I doubt I'll be converting to Vista anytime soon."

Life is all about personal choices. Some will restrict you. I remember people saying they would never update to Win95 and 98 either..... Things move on in the technology field. Some choose to stay behind for a while, and that’s fine. For the rest of us, we find solutions or replacements and advance. Your choice, no one said anyone had to update to Vista, but to knock it is wrong, it is a better, more secure and more stable build. As XP improved on 2000, so is Vista improving on XP.

So lets see. It would cost me $800.00 by your workings for me to upgrade my Systems to Vista. Wow. Wish I had that much money to throw away.

Have you tried a Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro with Vista using the downloads you provided? Try it and see.

"ATI has been having some issues, but it will get straightened out. They were involved with Vista build, so I blame them, not MS. There are other better cards/remotes out there. If they are not going to support it, it means it’s to old in their decision to support. Cannot blame MS for advancing."

ATI is having major issues with Vista. Yes, its ATI's fault not MS, but do not be knocking the ATI cards. They still are one of the best. Now, by your own Words, if a piece of Hardware is not supported by Vista means its too old, well let us all upgrade to Vista, at a price, then spend alot more money upgrading all our "Old" hardware. LOL.

"Life is all about personal choices. Some will restrict you. I remember people saying they would never update to Win95 and 98 either..... Things move on in the technology field. Some choose to stay behind for a while, and that’s fine. For the rest of us, we find solutions or replacements and advance. Your choice, no one said anyone had to update to Vista, but to knock it is wrong, it is a better, more secure and more stable build. As XP improved on 2000, so is Vista improving on XP"

I still use 98 on one of my Dual Boot systems for older software not supported by XP. Nothing wrong at all with an older OS. Also, I went thru the MS updates: 3.1, 95, 98, 98SE, ME to XP. Sometimes upgrades take a step backwards: the ME disaster! MS went from a stable 98SE, to the most useless OS there ever was.

You say Vista is more secure, better, and more stable. I say you are wrong. XP pro is far better, but thats my 2 cents.

One final point. Let us all upgrade to Vista, and loss our loved TivoToGo! Now, maybe TivoToGo is "old" and needs to be left behind as you put it. Its not MS's fault its not supported, its Tivo's! Maybe Tivo should stop advertising it as a feature for Tivo's when it does not work with Vista :D

[ourdoc]

OK, I hope you are not an accountant, as by my figures, the only cost would be upgrading the OS, the rest, well again, it’s a personal choice, as I said, my HP printer works just fine with Vista, so does my 3 year old modem which I don’t use and they have this new fangled thing called internet faxing.. its great…. http://www.a2.com/telecom/freefax.html
It's called progress, and if you want to get left behind that is your choice. Eventually newer software won't work with the older OS and eventually that older hardware will fail, and new ones won’t work with the old. Wait till you buy your first game that requires DX10 and tell me how that works for ya.

Audigy ZS is what I have and I have used the upgraded software and drivers provided by Creative. Yes the interface is somewhat different, but I have all the functionality I had before and I use it for VOIP every day.

ATI all in wonder.. ATI's statement..
"Note: All-in-Wonder™ boards operate with AMD Windows Vista-Ready Display Drivers under the Windows Vista Operating System. However there is currently no software application which provides TV/Capture functionality for All-in-Wonder™ boards under Windows Vista."

Well it is obviously ATI that doesn’t want to support it. But wait, we're talking about this on a TiVo board! So replace your card with a TiVo and no more problems... or hey, here's an idea, get TiVoDotNet for free and transfer those videos to your TiVo.. or pick up a programmable remote to listen to your music. These are all again, personal choices. I did not say move to Vista, that is also a choice, but if you think XP is better than Vista because it plays your music and changes your volume with your remote, keep right on believing that water runs uphill too. And I have been doing upgrades since Windows was first introduced. Yes ME was a Mistake Edition, but Vista is built ON THE SAME PLATFORM as XP, only improved.

Don't want to upgrade, don't, I could care less. Vista IS XP with IMPROVEMENTS and security fixes. MS won't support XP or 98 forever.

TiVoPony already said a version of TiVoToGo for Vista will be out soon, so we are not losing it. I have been successfully running 2.3a on my Vista machine since Vista came out. Oh, and my system was built with XP, more than a year before Vista came out, and I have not changed one piece of hardware. To top that off, I did an upgrade from XP not a clean install and for the first time ever, it has worked fine without having to format and do a clean install. It even fixed problems I was having under XP. I only have one program that won't run on it and they also are not going to support an upgrade to Vista, but you can buy their new software that will work on Vista. It's about making money; they won't support the old because they want you to buy the new. That is what LIFE is about and how Retail works, otherwise, products made would last forever and the companies that make them would soon be out of business.

Welcome to reality. Stay with 95 for all I care, but as you tell me not to knock ATI (and I use the ATI 9800 Pro in my system with Vista just fine) don't be knocking Vista when you obviously don't have a clue.

And that’s my 2 cents…

[DocNo]

I feel great at all the hostility toward Vista I read here.

Uggghhhhh, me think change bad - uggghhhh!!

Sigh...

Yes, don't blame Tivo

Yes, blame Tivo! It's not like it was a surprise that Vista was coming! As others have pointed out, Tivo is glacially slow at supporting new technology.

Windows users - experience what those of us with Mac's have been dealing with for years with Tivo. Sucks, eh?

it is MS that changed things for no real benefit. A few people running video stuff and games benefit from Vista, everyone else does not.

You really should become more informed before spouting off and appearing like an uneducated fool.

Then again, this is the Interweb :rolleyes:

Many of the reason's programs break in Vista is because Microsoft is finally fixing a bunch of poor decisions they made in the Windows NT 4 days to try to get more Windows 3.1 software to run on NT.

Yeah, they shouldn't have done it in the first place, but that thing called the Internet still wasn't much of a big deal back then and trading off security and stability of the OS for speed and compatibility didn't seem like that big of a risk at the time.

They were wrong. They are fixing it. Want to see the real fireworks? Pay attention to what's going on in the Vista 64 space - MS isn't budging an inch and vendors are really howling. I've no sympathy for 'em - time to code with a little discipline for once.

There was no reason to make it incompatable.

Yup, your absolutely right. A company like Microsoft, which whether you think so or not is actually filled with smart people, went out of their way to break a bunch of software for no reason.

Yup, that's some really stellar reasoning there :rolleyes:

Then they made computers for sale with only Vista to force it on people.

Er, manufacturers can still choose to bundle XP. They don't want to, because they don't want to support two OS's.

You can still find XP. If it's that important, vote with your $$$ and find a manufacturer that still supports XP. Or get a Mac and load XP in Parallels :)

That subsided when many firms would not allow it on their networks and XP returned available.

Firms are doing diligence testing to ensure compatibility with Vista. That's no different then when WFW, Windows NT 3.5, NT 4, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows 2000 or Windows XP came out.

Vista will become the standard - it's just a matter of time.

Tivo will get it working

Tivo should have had it working already. There's no excuse for not having it ready either at Vista launch, or shortly after. The only one to blame here is Tivo, period.

Again, it's not like it's a secret that Vista was coming - six years of development? Hellllloooooo......

but there is no reason to have changed parts of an OS that already work fine

There were many parts of XP that didn't "just work fine". There are many features of Vista that are actually desirable beyond just "eye candy".

Grow up...

Just as you can play old CD's on a new player

False analogy. CD's are just disks with data. Not code that interacts in a fundamental and unique way with the system they are installed on. There is a huge difference between CD's and application software. If you don't think so, I'd like to see that copy of Sting calculate your budget for you :p

Vista should have kept 100 percent XP rules, then added some new ones for new features.

Again, you really need to go read up. There are tons of articles (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=vista+compatibility+security+changes&btnG=Google+Search) that go into detail about why certain applications break. And it's a good thing they do...

[gmitch64]

Want to see the real fireworks? Pay attention to what's going on in the Vista 64 space - MS isn't budging an inch and vendors are really howling. I've no sympathy for 'em - time to code with a little discipline for once.

And particularly interesting to watch what's happening there, since Server 2008, and Vista will be the last OSs that Microsoft offer in 32bits.


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[Arcady]

What a frickin joke. When are you people just gonna buy a Mac? :p

[ourdoc]

What a frickin joke. When are you people just gonna buy a Mac? :p

As soon as Mac becomes compatible with the rest of the world. They've already started by changing their processer....

I should say, as soon as I can build my own without having to give up my first born....

[ZeoTiVo]

What a frickin joke. When are you people just gonna buy a Mac? :p
when they hit 70% market share and I no longr care about windows applications

[gmitch64]

What a frickin joke. When are you people just gonna buy a Mac? :p

As soon as it's able to run Vista.

[awilkins]

As soon as it's able to run Vista.

I have Vista Enterprise running on my MacBook Pro without any issues... :cool:

[wolflord11]

Welcome to reality. Stay with 95 for all I care, but as you tell me not to knock ATI (and I use the ATI 9800 Pro in my system with Vista just fine) don't be knocking Vista when you obviously don't have a clue.

And that’s my 2 cents…

Well since I do not have a clue, I have been using what you call Vista, what I still call Longhorn, well before it was ever released. Isn't Beta Testing fun? :D

My Intel P4 2.8 ES (Engineering Sample) is currently still running it. So yes, I know all about Vista :D and its pros and cons.