Pirate Master 6/7/07

[Martha]

I thought tonight's episode was better than last weeks. I really enjoyed all the wheeling/dealing going on with the money - interesting twist on the Survivor concept that they get the money up front and can then use it to bribe others for their allegiance.

I do wish they would show how the people voted - it's nice to know how the alliances lie.

[MasterOfPuppets]

I don't think there really are any alliances yet.
I agree that this episode was better than last week's.
I still think it's funny that people think that this show is somehow cheesier than Survivor. Yes, the costumes are cheesy. The setting on the boat really isn't any different than being on a small island. The pseudo-pirate themed games aren't any different than the pseudo-island native games.
No more Nigerian Nightmare. Lots and lots of blurry boobies.

[Sadara]

This episode was better for me, I got to watch the whole thing thanks to not having weather break-ins.

I really wanted to know the votes too, I kept saying, they need to show us how people voted, we're missing out on a lot there! That's the one thing about Survivor I always watched for was how the votes went.

[DevdogAZ]

I'm really surprised there were no votes for mutiny. I thought for sure there would at least be some.

I don't think this ep was necessarily any better than the first one, but we had a better idea of what was going on, so we could enjoy it a little more. Plus, it's always more interesting when you know the players a little better, so as we start to learn their names and form opinions of them, we'll continue to enjoy it more and more.

[bpurcell]

They voted off my fellow Azusa Pacific Alumnus! After Joy twisted her knee, I thought for sure she was gone.

Granted this show is no Survivor or Amazing Race, but it's a worthy summer fluff (at the same level of last years Treasure Hunters).

[Fraser+Dief]

It's going to be the typical crap, all the deserving players get voted out while the injured and puking just keep going on and on and getting more and more money.

[Amnesia]

I do wish they would show how the people voted - it's nice to know how the alliances lie.The voting history is available online (http://www.cbs.com/primetime/pirate_master/show/vh.shtml), just like it was for Survivor...

I'm really surprised there were no votes for mutiny. I thought for sure there would at least be some. Me, too. I think the issue is that the vote for mutiny needs to be unanimous---if people don't think they can swing all the votes, I would guess that they're not going for mutiny...but I think that the only way a mutiny would work is to show support for it by votes...

I'm surprised that Joy or Kendra didn't get voted out---especially Kendra. She was one of the big reasons why the red team wasn't more competitive in the search (at least according to the editing). I would think that both the red and black teams would be interested in seeing her leave (in case she gets assigned to their team next time).

I think it's an interesting twist to have the teams re-chosen each challenge...helps avoid any alliances except among the officers...

And I thought that the captain should have rewarded Azmyth for his efforts (and what's with that name??!?)

[Anubys]

mutiny vote is very hard with so many people...plus, now people have a chance at unseating the Captain in a different way...

Joy is a very popular and well-liked person if she didn't get a single vote...

[heySkippy]

I liked Christian and am sad to see him go. Either of the girls would have been a better choice IMO.

I am still rather put off by the scripted or rehearsed feel this show has.

And that boat is enormous. They've done a great job of hiding the real crew. I wonder how many people are really on the boat between the real working crew, the production staff, and the contestants.

[jlb]

And what kind of quarters the Host has......

[TivoSlinger]

I am confused about changing officers. . . It seems to me that the captain must retain both officers or choose two new ones. My question is, "can the captain retain one officer and change the other one?"

[Anubys]

I am confused about changing officers. . . It seems to me that the captain must retain both officers or choose two new ones. My question is, "can the captain retain one officer and change the other one?"

I don't recall anything to indicate that he could not...

[appleye1]

I liked Christian and am sad to see him go. Either of the girls would have been a better choice IMO.

I am still rather put off by the scripted or rehearsed feel this show has.

And that boat is enormous. They've done a great job of hiding the real crew. I wonder how many people are really on the boat between the real working crew, the production staff, and the contestants.I read on the ship's site that there are usually 12 "real" crew members, in addition to the trainee class of up to 40.

[tcristy]

Here is from the regular crew's perspective:

http://www.picton-castle.com/voyage/crew_journals/category/pirate-master/

[jlb]

We had our superstructure, chart house and galley house painted with such skill that the decks of our 1928 steel ship were transformed to the wooden deck structures of a pirate ship from 200 years ago.

Cool. It was an old 1928 steel ship that was made to look like an old tall (pirate) ship. Nice job indeed!

[katbug]

As difficult as a mutiny would be to get, I'm surprised that they haven't figured out to sabotage the black team in the treasure hunts to unseat the captain. Seems like it would be easy enough to do. Yeah, they'd miss out on that week's booty, but it's not like they're getting much from it anyway. They'd have a chance of getting more if they got a new Captain. Why haven't they thought of this yet?

Sad to see Christian go so soon. Would have liked to see the cap't, but if it couldn't be him and had to be one of the 3, I'd have chosen Kendra.

[DevdogAZ]

Here is from the regular crew's perspective:

http://www.picton-castle.com/voyage/crew_journals/category/pirate-master/
Very cool article. Thanks for posting. I'm kind of surprised that the production crew did so much to transform the ship and then simply took it all apart after the show wrapped. I'd think that the owners of the Picton Castle might like the fact that their ship has been made to look like a pirate ship and might want to keep it that way.

[Einselen]

I posted this over in the Season Pass alerts, but looks like on July 10 Pirate master will be moving to Tuesday nights at 10 PM.

[DevdogAZ]

I posted this over in the Season Pass alerts, but looks like on July 10 Pirate master will be moving to Tuesday nights at 10 PM.
I'm guessing then that the ratings suck and this show will be a one-time deal. I was kind of hoping that it would be good and would become a regular summer show.

[NoCleverUsername]

Anybody else catch the glimpse of modern sink in the bathroom during the shipboard chores montage? They've gone to so much trouble to hide everything and make things appear "authentic" that it stood out for me. (Well, that and the fact that it was bright white porcelain.) :)

[justapixel]

I still think it's funny that people think that this show is somehow cheesier than Survivor. Yes, the costumes are cheesy. The setting on the boat really isn't any different than being on a small island. The pseudo-pirate themed games aren't any different than the pseudo-island native games.


The word cheesy does come from the costumes, the setting and the games. I do think that makes it a lot cheesier than just stranding people on an island. Both are kind of cheesy though. :)

This show isn't as good as Survivor, mainly because of the editing and what they show. We aren't seeing much interaction between the people yet, and that was the key to the first Survivor - the psychological game and relationships between them.

On this show, it wasn't clear why the Rupert Clone didn't vote for mutiny when he has been juggling to get it to happen. Also, the reasons that the football player was voted off wasn't clear to me - did they really say it was because he was too big? They voted a former athlete off over a chick who can't swim?

The only interesting part of this game, to me, is how they use the bribes. I thought the captain last week was crazy not to share it, and now it seems he's catching on that he has to give some away. But, it's still not clear to me why nobody has even voted for mutiny. Its hard to get the full group to go along with it, but you'd think a few people would have tried by now.

[stellie93]

Do I remember right that they need to get the 2 officers to vote for mutiny as well as everyone else? Kat's idea sounds best--just throw the challenge for the captain's team.

I think the challenges (or whatever you call them) are far inferior to Survivor. They don't seem nearly as physically demanding. Maybe that's why The Nigerian Nightmare wasn't worth much--speed emphasized more than strength.

The trouble with bribing people is you have no idea if you're going to get value for your money. Just ask Yau-man. ;)

[katbug]

I thought that the host originally said it had to be unanimous, including the officers, but it hasn't seemed that way at all in the court. I'm guessing that he misspoke, or at least was misunderstood in the way he first presented it (or just bad editing since the crew doesn't seem to be asking this question).

[Anubys]

justapixel nailed it...the only way we know people is by them talking during the interviews...there's hardly any interaction...even during the challenge, you have voice-over from interviews about people re-counting what happened (the captain stood there and did nothing, for example)...

it's like they did away with everything that was good about Survivor and kept all the silly stuff...and then added the rich/poor plus the bribes twists...

I guess it will get interesting when we get a new captain, but if they don't show how people interact, how will that be interesting?

[dianebrat]

I love the before and after pix of the ship (took a little searching to get almost the same view on each.

In it's normal life (http://www.picton-castle.com/galleries/albums/wv4_crew_journals/Picton%20Castle%20Homecoming/The_Barque_PICTON_CASTLE_068.jpg)

In it's Pirate Master life (http://attachments.wetpaintserv.us/1l6ctu8D8hJu3TvelJ5HQA%3D%3D614680)

Diane

[MisterBubble]

I posted this over in the Season Pass alerts, but looks like on July 10 Pirate master will be moving to Tuesday nights at 10 PM.

I'm guessing that move is to make room for Big Brother, which should be debuting around then and usually has that Thursday at 8pm slot for their big eviction/play for new HOH "live" episode. But cutting Pirate Master adrift to a 10pm slot DOES seem a bit harsh.

[Einselen]

I'm guessing that move is to make room for Big Brother, which should be debuting around then and usually has that Thursday at 8pm slot for their big eviction/play for new HOH "live" episode. But cutting Pirate Master adrift to a 10pm slot DOES seem a bit harsh.

That is the reason. They stuck Pirate Master in where Survivor was for those fans to try and get them hook all knowing when Big Brother came back in July they would be moving Pirate Master to another time slot.

[TIVOSciolist]

I thought that the host originally said it had to be unanimous, including the officers, but it hasn't seemed that way at all in the court. I'm guessing that he misspoke, or at least was misunderstood in the way he first presented it (or just bad editing since the crew doesn't seem to be asking this question).

You're right about it having to be unanimous. If you freeze-frame one of the black spot letters at the beginning of last week's show, you'll see a warning that, if a mutiny fails, the Captain can then get rid of anyone on the crew--not just one of the chosen three candidates.

A mutiny would probably be too risky this early in the game.

[DevdogAZ]

I love the before and after pix of the ship (took a little searching to get almost the same view on each.

In it's normal life (http://www.picton-castle.com/galleries/albums/wv4_crew_journals/Picton%20Castle%20Homecoming/The_Barque_PICTON_CASTLE_068.jpg)

In it's Pirate Master life (http://attachments.wetpaintserv.us/1l6ctu8D8hJu3TvelJ5HQA%3D%3D614680)

Diane
The Pirate Master version must be after they shooting wrapped and they destroyed the captain's quarters that they built, because on the show, the back of the boat is built up and enclosed and has windows all across the back, while neither of those pictures shows that.

You can see what I'm talking about here:

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/pirate_master/show/ep01/photos/1/06.jpg

[Einselen]

You're right about it having to be unanimous. If you freeze-frame one of the black spot letters at the beginning of last week's show, you'll see a warning that, if a mutiny fails, the Captain can then get rid of anyone on the crew--not just one of the chosen three candidates.

A mutiny would probably be too risky this early in the game.

With this new information I know have been pushed over to the "captain has too much power" side. Anyone else feel this way?

[stellie93]

I don't really get how this would work. So if there's one vote for mutiny, it's a failed mutiny and the captain can get rid of any one crew member?

It would seem that there would be no reason to try a mutiny unless you had the 2 officers on your side. Since they're already getting money, I'm not sure what you could promise them except for more money, and even then they would be giving up a sure thing for a promise that might not be fulfilled. And going to them with the proposal would be suicidal. It would almost have to be them that decides to do it.

[marksman]

I just watched this and was sad to see the Nigerian Nightmare go.

I was thinking about the Captain and giving out his treasure to calim unrest.

On one hand it seems it would make sense to give his loot out to keep people loyal to him. And if this were a case where you were doing this for a lifetime, that would make sense. People would support you simply because you made their life easier.

In a game like this, with a limtied shelf life, even if you gave out ALL your money, someone else will always be angling to get rid of you because that want that seat of power and the biggest share of the loot.

So I think it is probably a decent strategy to keep as much money for yourself as you can. And try to hold on as long as you can. If you just give it away, you are likely going to lose your position of Captain just as quickly and have a lot less money to show for it.

And as for giving the losers 200 each. I thought he did that for the winners, as a little bonus. Now I realize it was for the losing team and they were complaining about it. Seriously that is lame. So he doles out a few thousand dollars to the losing team and he is a bad guy. Please.

[dianebrat]

The Pirate Master version must be after they shooting wrapped and they destroyed the captain's quarters that they built, because on the show, the back of the boat is built up and enclosed and has windows all across the back, while neither of those pictures shows that.

You can see what I'm talking about here:

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/pirate_master/show/ep01/photos/1/06.jpg

interesting, I pulled my "as a Pirate Master" shot from the wiki linked to on CBS.com, I thought it didn't look right, but figured I just wasn't paying enough attention to the details. I'm very glad you posted the image link with all the additional rear details.

Diane

[IJustLikeTivo]

I'm guessing then that the ratings suck and this show will be a one-time deal. I was kind of hoping that it would be good and would become a regular summer show.

Can't happen they cast it too badly.

I gave it two shows hoping it would be better, but the moron who is the captain is just such a freakin' idiot that I cancelled my season pass after this weeks episode. If they can't figure out what a dick he is, there is no hope.

[spciesla]

With this new information I know have been pushed over to the "captain has too much power" side. Anyone else feel this way?

But if the Captain's team (picked randomly) loses the challenge, then a new captain gets picked. There's no way that a captain is going to last very long on this show. The captain may be living large now, but his days are numbered.

[ewolfr]

And as for giving the losers 200 each. I thought he did that for the winners, as a little bonus. Now I realize it was for the losing team and they were complaining about it. Seriously that is lame. So he doles out a few thousand dollars to the losing team and he is a bad guy. Please.

The captain doled out 1k of his 40(or so)k and that made him a bad guy in their eyes. There were 5 people on the red team that got the 200 each.

[appleye1]

interesting, I pulled my "as a Pirate Master" shot from the wiki linked to on CBS.com, I thought it didn't look right, but figured I just wasn't paying enough attention to the details. I'm very glad you posted the image link with all the additional rear details.

DianeI think your pic is missing the statue thing (is figurehead the right word?) on the front also. They must have taken that shot either before they were finished converting the ship or after they started converting it back.

[martinp13]

The real crew said the figurehead was bizarre and just bolted on. I'm sure it didn't stay.

[Rkkeller]

I am still undecided on PM and not sure if I will keep watching or not. If it wasnt for all the boob and bikini shots of the blonde I might not have made it though the last episode. :eek:

[DevdogAZ]

I am still undecided on PM and not sure if I will keep watching or not. If it wasnt for all the boob and bikini shots of the blonde I might not have made it though the last episode. :eek:
Speaking of that, do we even know her name? Have they done a single solo interview with her? I was noticing all the fuzzed out boob shots during the challenge, and it made me want to know her name :D but I kept watching and never saw it.

[JLucPicard]

I kind of noticed all the blurring, too. But I was looking at her eyes. ;)

[SleepyBob]

I don't really get how this would work. So if there's one vote for mutiny, it's a failed mutiny and the captain can get rid of any one crew member?

It would seem that there would be no reason to try a mutiny unless you had the 2 officers on your side. Since they're already getting money, I'm not sure what you could promise them except for more money, and even then they would be giving up a sure thing for a promise that might not be fulfilled. And going to them with the proposal would be suicidal. It would almost have to be them that decides to do it.

The captain and officer don't vote, so I expect that the mutiny's success or failure doesn't involve them, either.

[heySkippy]

The host did say in the first episode that the officers must agree with the mutiny for it to succeed. I would say the only way that will ever happen is if they are bribed and so far I don't believe the rest of the crew has enough money to do that.

[SleepyBob]

Huh. That does seem to make it practically impossible to pull off a mutiny.

[Langree]

This show would be much better if they keel hulled somebody :)

[kettledrum]

Got to watching this and who the heck was that with the blurry boobies?

I too thought this was a bit better than the previous week. It should do while there's nothing else on TV but the whole thing seems so contrived. But, what reality show isn't?