Stargate Atlantis 06/01/2007 "Sunday"

[Anubys]

I guess I knew this was coming from spoilers but it was so darn unnecessary...Carson is one the best developed characters in a show full of two-dimensional people...

why not kill-off Tayla? she's useless...

the speech at the end was awful too...but I guess I'm just in a bad mood because I liked Carson...

[Tangent]

Ugh, that sucked! I agree, he was definitely one of the most interesting characters in a cast of clones.

[DPF]

Absolutely. Shame to see him go. Carson was a good, solid consistent character on the show. What a shame.

-DPF

[gastrof]

Did anyone hear a rumor that he's "not really dead" and will be seen again, that it's all part of a plan the writer's have?

[jimmymac]

I hate that they killed Carson. I'd would have rather them have killed off Rodney. I can't stand Rodney.

I read the spoilers and have been wondering when it would happen.

[murgatroyd]

:eek:

Jan

[Rob Helmerichs]

Did anyone hear a rumor that he's "not really dead" and will be seen again, that it's all part of a plan the writer's have?
What I've heard is that it's not so much a plan as an escape clause. With Samantha Carter coming on board next season, they will have a surplus of geek characters, and I can see where they would want to cut back. But from what she's said about being moved to Atlantis to fill out her Stargate contract, I suspect there's very little chance she'll be there more than a year, and they've said they have a way to bring Carson back should they so desire.

[Fl_Gulfer]

WOW!!! what a ending for the dr. I hate seeing him go.

[Sherminator]

I think that he ascended, as he gave his life to save the nurse's, plus through out the show he has been shown favoring life in disregard to his safety or the morals of those around him, I also feel that it wasn't just a figment of Rodney's imagination at the end.

But why Carson couldn't have just evacuated the infirmary immediately (I know that Watson would have been in a very tender stage of recovery), and risk the room rather than people.

[Anubys]

I hope it's not ascension...plenty of heroes die valiantly every day, that should not be the ticket to ascension...

I just don't see how Sam will replace Carson, she's not a medical doctor...I could see Zalenka being taken out...

[HiddenSky]

I kept up with Atlantis on the "Canadian schedule" although I'm watching the last eps of SG-1 on Sci-Fi as they air, so I first saw the episode a few months ago. I didn't watch the whole episode straight through last night, but I did watch the final 10 or so minutes and it still brought a tear to my eye. I'll miss Carson.

Did anyone hear a rumor that he's "not really dead" and will be seen again, that it's all part of a plan the writer's have?

Caution, spoilers below:

It's not a rumor. Producer/writer Joseph Mallozzi keeps a blog and he often drops tidbits about what's coming up. He's referred to Paul McGillion's return several times. Carson will be returning for the midseason two-parter.

Mallozzi also did an interview with the Save Carson Beckett site that sheds a little more light on his return.

If you're not a spoilerphobe, I recommend Mallozzi's poem from his April 25th post that hints at various episodes from the back half of season 3 and roughly the first half of season 4.


Edited: I don't know if it's because I've visited the links, or if it's because of the forum software linking URLs, but I reedited my post to remove the direct links in the spoiler area because they weren't showing up spoilerized. PM me if you need the links to those sites, or just Google based on the info provided.

[dylking]

at least it wasn't a Tasha Yar death. He died pursuing his calling.

I was ok till that last conversation with Rodney...then I teared up (yeah, I'm not ashamed to admit it :P)

[Anubys]

Cheesesteak, where are you? you should be happy with this ep, Rodney didn't even appear until the 27 minute mark :p

[NJDEVS]

I shed a few tears at the end, too....I was shocked they'd get rid of such a great character! (I still haven't really warmed up to Tayla yet, either)

I had no idea Sam was coming to Atlantis...can you imagine the show with Sam AND McKay?? I'll have to study up on my astrophysics cause I'll be totally LOST with all the techno-babble!!

[atrac]

Were there "Through the Gate" Contest Winners in this episode? The guy that was hitting on Dr. Weir, the two scientists (one blew up, one almost did), and they guy playing chess with Zelenka struck me as being very "amateur." They looked like people that were encouraged by friends to be actors, but didn't quite work on camera. ;)

[sieglinde]

Exploding tumors? What were the writers smoking? :)

[Sadara]

I'm not thrilled about Carson being killed off. About half way through the episode, I said outloud, this is the episode and I'm not longer thrilled about watching it. I knew about his upcoming death already from spoilers I had read.

[murgatroyd]

Exploding tumors? What were the writers smoking? :)

That must have been their tip of the hat to Grey's Anatomy.

Did anyone say "exploding tumors? Seriously?" If not, they should have. ;)

Jan

[super dave]

Exploding tumors? What were the writers smoking? :)
Now they have to be smarter than the ancients and use it as a weapon against the Wraith, yet not infect their own.

[cheesesteak]

I hate Rodney. If that selfish chump had gone fishing Carson would still be alive.

I hope it was the actor's desire to leave and the writers didn't kill him off for shock value.

I practically had to nail my right hand to the coffee table to keep from FFwd'ing through the first 30+ minutes.

At least the writers acknowledged the lunacy of Rodney always pressing buttons, pulling levers and just plain messing with advanced alien stuff without reading the instructions.

[Unbeliever]

Were there "Through the Gate" Contest Winners in this episode? The guy that was hitting on Dr. Weir, the two scientists (one blew up, one almost did), and they guy playing chess with Zelenka struck me as being very "amateur." They looked like people that were encouraged by friends to be actors, but didn't quite work on camera. ;)

Contest winners probably won't get any on-screen lines because they're not in the SAG.

--Carlos V.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Contest winners probably won't get any on-screen lines because they're not in the SAG.
Actually, I believe the first one is a freebie. I know it is for writers...in fact, you basically can't get into the Writer's Guild without a credit. But you can't get a second credit without being in the Writer's Guild.

[drew2k]

They killed off one of my two favorite SG:A characters. :(

I can only hope the rumors are right and Beckett can return. Even so, I take heart in the conversation with "ghost" Beckett and Rodney: It's a big universe so maybe they'll see each other again. (I took that as a hint that Paul McGillion could maybe come back a s a different character ...)

Anyway, some important things I didn't see discussed:

Who was Teyla referring to so shyly that prompted Dr. Houston to say she could drop some hints? At first, I thought Ronon. Then I thought it was Sheppard. Finally, I thought maybe (slim possibility) Teyla was talking about Rodney, especially after she hesitated later on before the memorial, saying how much she would miss him. After the show was over, I'm clueless again.

How funny was when Sheppard asked Ronon if he was dating, Ronon responded, "Like a woman?" and Sheppard came back with, "or a man." Too funny!

Lastly, Dr. Weir's lunch date. I fully expected her date to be killed, since he was introduced in a flashback AFTER we already knew there'd be an explosion, so it was a nice surprise that he survived. Weir said she didn't want to be involved, for one reason, because it would "split her focus". Given all the spoilers about casting changes ... (some of which were untagged above) ...Could this be part of a long term plot to give Weir a reason to voluntarily leave Atlantis? I'm thinking maybe she falls in love and the guy is recalled to Earth. Weir chooses to be with him, so she leaves Atlantis just as Carter arrives.

Or of course, Weir could be killed or fired. :)

Oh yeah ... very guest-heavy episode tonight! We even got to see Major Lorne painting. That's one talented team they got there.

[atrac]

Actually, I believe the first one is a freebie. I know it is for writers...in fact, you basically can't get into the Writer's Guild without a credit. But you can't get a second credit without being in the Writer's Guild.

Ah yes, "Taft-Hartley." ;)

[mostman]

Ugh. Why?

That is all I have.

[vikingguy]

I liked the episode but only wished it was tayla who was killed off. I do hope they get back to fighting the wraith soon.

[purple6816]

What about the guy that blew up. No one even knows his name. He was holding the "tumor" when it exploded. Poor unnamed guy. :(

[jimmymac]

How funny was when Sheppard asked Ronon if he was dating, Ronon responded, "Like a woman?" and Sheppard came back with, "or a man." Too funny!

I thought that little exchange was great.

Have any of the Stargate's ever done a gay storyline?

[Anubys]

Who was Teyla referring to so shyly that prompted Dr. Houston to say she could drop some hints? At first, I thought Ronon. Then I thought it was Sheppard. Finally, I thought maybe (slim possibility) Teyla was talking about Rodney, especially after she hesitated later on before the memorial, saying how much she would miss him. After the show was over, I'm clueless again.


Given that Ronin asked Sheppard about Tayla, my vote would be that Tayla and her friend were talking about sheppard...

[classicX]

Given that Ronin asked Sheppard about Tayla, my vote would be that Tayla and her friend were talking about sheppard...

I don't think it was any of the obvious choices. Given the way they suddenly made her seem nervous around Ronin and Sheppard, they are trying to keep you guessing. After seeing her reaction to Beckett's death, and their interaction when she was on the table, I think it was Beckett.

Anyone with me?

[Sirius Black]

What I've heard is that it's not so much a plan as an escape clause. With Samantha Carter coming on board next season, they will have a surplus of geek characters, and I can see where they would want to cut back. But from what she's said about being moved to Atlantis to fill out her Stargate contract, I suspect there's very little chance she'll be there more than a year, and they've said they have a way to bring Carson back should they so desire.

I heard that Jewel Staite (Kaylee from Firefly) will be Dr. Beckett's replacement. Say what you will about Carson but I'd much rather look at her than him. I hadn't heard that Carter was only staying for a year. I guess I should have expected it though.

[cheesesteak]

Teyla's probably got the hots for Rodney. The SG:A universe revolves around Rodney.

[Langree]

Even so, I take heart in the conversation with "ghost" Beckett and Rodney: It's a big universe so maybe they'll see each other again.


Maybe he just meant Rodney is going to die soon and they'll see each other again.



One can hope.

[dylking]

What about the guy that blew up. No one even knows his name. He was holding the "tumor" when it exploded. Poor unnamed guy. :(
I think he had a red shirt on under all that armor.

Joking aside, it does kinda point out how dangerous any bomb squad job is...

[kemajor]

Looks like I'm going againsts the grain here...

I hated the Carsen character even worse than Rodney, if that's even possible so I am absolutely thrilled he is "dead".

In fact, they need a major reset, the only characters I do like from the show are Sheperd, Ronin, and Tayla (sometimes - usually when she is fighting with those sticks) :) Oh wait, I like that ascended lady that protects her one planet too. :p

I think I'll find more agreement by stating this episode just totally sucked (except for my first point).

- Kelly

[Sirius Black]

I think he had a red shirt on under all that armor.

http://echosphere.net/star_trek_insp/insp_expendability_preview.jpg


I think you're probably right.

http://echosphere.net/star_trek_insp/star_trek_insp.html. Link added at the request of the owner of the site where I found the poster.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Some red shirts are the type whose colors don't burn the eyes, but whose spirits burn the mind.

"Oooh! That unnamed character on the left! His red shirt is blue!"

[WinBear]

How funny was when Sheppard asked Ronon if he was dating, Ronon responded, "Like a woman?" and Sheppard came back with, "or a man." Too funny!

It also seemed like a good opportunity for Sheppard to mouth off something like "its not like we can enforce Don't Ask, Don't Tell here" or even "It's not like we would kick you out for being gay."

[cheesesteak]

Just what does Ronin do?

[dcheesi]

Just what does Ronin do?He's the security officer --no, wait, that's Worf.
I know, he carries a big sword-rifle and... no, no, that'd be Kar D'argo.
Hmm, just what does he do, anyway? :D

[Sirius Black]

He's the security officer --no, wait, that's Worf.
I know, he carries a big sword-rifle and... no, no, that'd be Kar D'argo.
Hmm, just what does he do, anyway? :D

He walks the Earth with no master carrying a samurai sword drifting from place to place.

[busyba]

I thought that little exchange was great.

Have any of the Stargate's ever done a gay storyline?

Some of the later Maybourne episodes were pretty gay. :)

[drew2k]

I don't think it was any of the obvious choices. Given the way they suddenly made her seem nervous around Ronin and Sheppard, they are trying to keep you guessing. After seeing her reaction to Beckett's death, and their interaction when she was on the table, I think it was Beckett.

Anyone with me?Well, I was, in my earlier post. And then the episode ended and I was confused again. ;)

[drew2k]

Just what does Ronin do?Well, for one thing, he spells his name with two o's ...

As in Ronon.

Ronon Dex.

:D

[Idearat]

Well, for one thing, he spells his name with two o's ...

As in Ronon.

Ronon Dex.

:D

Ignoring whatever alphabet his people use. It could just as well be: रओनओन

[PJO1966]

Just what does Ronin do?


He kicks ass. What more does he need to do?

[Anubys]

He kicks ass. What more does he need to do?

other than the one ep devoted to Ronon going back to his planet, I honestly do not remember him kicking any ass...

[brianp6621]

Exploding tumors? What were the writers smoking? :)

Nothing, they were just re-reading SG1 scripts. Like Singularity (http://www.scifi.com/stargate/episodes/season01/0114/) .

[JustAllie]

:( RIP, Carson Beckett.

I have not been reading spoilers and had no idea this was coming. :(



By the way, I can't believe Rodney hasn't grown on some of you guys. I hated him at first, but at this point I love the character, and I love David Hewlett's acting.

Still, Sheppard is my favorite. It's probably the perpetually tossled hair. :D

[Langree]

:( RIP, Carson Beckett.

I have not been reading spoilers and had no idea this was coming. :(



By the way, I can't believe Rodney hasn't grown on some of you guys. I hated him at first, but at this point I love the character, and I love David Hewlett's acting.

Still, Sheppard is my favorite. It's probably the perpetually tossled hair. :D

I'd like Rodney I think, if he grew as a character, there have been a few episodes where he's recognized his attitude and demeanor offputs others or causes problems. But come later episode, same old cocky Rodney not listening to others and causing harm to himself or others because of it.

And why some others don't just shut him down or smack him from time to time is beyond me.

[JustAllie]

I thought Rodney was a bit different in this episode. I think he has matured a bit.

But he started soooooo far behind in the maturity department, he still has a ways to go. :D

[drew2k]

And why some others don't just shut [Rodney] down or smack him from time to time is beyond me.Hey ... have we just found a job for Ronon? :)

[HiddenSky]

By the way, I can't believe Rodney hasn't grown on some of you guys. I hated him at first, but at this point I love the character, and I love David Hewlett's acting.

Still, Sheppard is my favorite. It's probably the perpetually tossled hair. :D

Ditto on both counts. :)

[Anubys]

not gonna play on the Sheppard love-fest ;)

but Rodney is fantastic on the show...and he has grown quite a bit...his "date" in this ep was as painful as many of us have had (granted, we were a bit younger)...and very funny to watch...

[drew2k]

not gonna play on the Sheppard love-fest ;) It's not because of follicle envy, is it? ;)

[Rob Helmerichs]

I thought Rodney was a bit different in this episode. I think he has matured a bit.
I really don't think he has. As has been pointed out, every once in a while he has a "growth" episode where he seems to learn a lesson, but then the next week he's right back where he started.

I don't know if the fault lies with the writers, or if Hewlett just isn't capable of going beyond one note, but for me the character has grown increasingly tiresome. I only hope Sam can slap a little sense into him (i.e., that it's the writers and not Hewlett).

[Anubys]

It's not because of follicle envy, is it? ;)

I actually have a full head of hair...the picture of me there is doctored for comedic effect...

um...not buying it, eh? :D

I like Sheppard...just not the way the ladies like him (not that there's anything wrong with that!)...

[PJO1966]

I actually have a full head of hair...the picture of me there is doctored for comedic effect...

um...not buying it, eh? :D

I like Sheppard...just not the way the ladies like him (not that there's anything wrong with that!)...


Not just the ladies.

;)

[IndyJones1023]

They killed Carson! Those bastards! :eek:

Man, that sucked. I totally wasn't expecting that. Why? Did he want out or did the writers not like him or did they just want to "shake things up?" :(

[Rob Helmerichs]

Man, that sucked. I totally wasn't expecting that. Why? Did he want out or did the writers not like him or did they just want to "shake things up?" :(
I think they needed to make room in the cast and reduce payroll in anticipation of next season...

[IndyJones1023]

I think they needed to make room in the cast and reduce payroll in anticipation of next season...
Cancelling SG-1 didn't save them enough money?

[JustAllie]

Cancelling SG-1 didn't save them enough money?
Well, cancelling SG-1 also lost them advertising revenue, unless they come up with an equally popular show for that timeslot.

[Rob Helmerichs]

And I doubt very seriously that SG-1 was being paid for out of Atlantis's budget...

[Timbeau]

I really don't think he has. As has been pointed out, every once in a while he has a "growth" episode where he seems to learn a lesson, but then the next week he's right back where he started.

I agree. When he was dressing down the two junior researchers about turning on the machine he seemed like the same old "only Rodney matters" person. Some of the lines were pretty clever though.

[HiddenSky]

They killed Carson! Those bastards! :eek:

Man, that sucked. I totally wasn't expecting that. Why? Did he want out or did the writers not like him or did they just want to "shake things up?" :(

It was to shake things up. He didn't ask to leave the show.

[newsposter]

geez that sucked

[danterner]

Oh yeah ... very guest-heavy episode tonight! We even got to see Major Lorne painting. That's one talented team they got there.

When they showed his painting, I was hoping it would be the actual matte backdrop on his easel, as a work in progress.

[Mike20878]

Were there "Through the Gate" Contest Winners in this episode? The guy that was hitting on Dr. Weir, the two scientists (one blew up, one almost did), and they guy playing chess with Zelenka struck me as being very "amateur." They looked like people that were encouraged by friends to be actors, but didn't quite work on camera. ;)

I initially thought the guy hitting on Weir was Gary Gulman (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1654864/), from Last Comic standing, with a beard. But it was actually Matthew Del Negro (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0215682/), who has a fairly impressive filmography.

http://www.sheckymagazine.com/webart/gulmanq.jpg
Gary Gulman

[MickeS]

:( RIP, Carson Beckett.

I have not been reading spoilers and had no idea this was coming. :(

By the way, I can't believe Rodney hasn't grown on some of you guys. I hated him at first, but at this point I love the character, and I love David Hewlett's acting.

Still, Sheppard is my favorite. It's probably the perpetually tossled hair. :D

+1 :)

DAMN, I didn't watch this episode until now, and I had no idea they were gonna kill off a regular. And then they choose CARSON! WTF!

Go with Ronon or Teyla, they're both useless and terrible actors... Argh!

Just what does Ronin do?

He's Chewbacca.

[Mike10]

I remember that they were able to save a lot of money by filming SG1 and atlantis together at the same time and because of SG1's cancelation

Atlantis there was going to be some cutbacks