HEROES season 1 finale.... 5/21/07

[zordude]

Save the japanese warrior/emperor....save the world? :p

It just doesn't have the same ring.

Save your father, save yourself.

Z

[IndyJones1023]

Kinda anti-climatic. I don't know why Peter needed his brother to fly him away. And the "big fight" was so slow and plodding. It needed more action and intensity. I hate the "maybe Sylar isn't dead" possibility with the blood in the sewer. And hopefully Nathan isn't dead. He could have easily let go of Peter in the sky and flown to safety before the big boom boom.

Eh, just a bunch of thought. I see I have a lot of threads to read thru.

[Ruth]

I agree with a lot of what's been posted.

I'm not one who is generally clamoring for more violence, but I just didn't find Sylar's stabbing believable. So many episodes showed him using his multitude of stunning powers to repel attacks or turn the attacker against himself. But this time he just lets Hiro come at him like he is frozen and can't do anything about it. The only plausible explanation I can think of is, as others have suggested, that he let himself be stabbed and he's still out there. But that's sucky too. Why would he even bother to show up on the scene at all if he wasn't going to do anything in particular? Maybe it is just from watching too much Buffy, but I really think they needed some sort of working together and all using thier powers to reach the same goal thing to make that part satisfying.

I would have preferred it if Claire had shot Peter, instead of the whole flying thing. It would have been more predictable, but it also would have tied the season together since it would have brought back "Save the cheerleader, save the world" as a continuing theme that made sense throughout the whole season. As it is, you really have to come up with a pretty attenuated chain of events to explain why Claire was the key to anything. I mean, Nathan could have flown away with Peter perfectly well if Sylar had killed Claire. In fact Nathan could have done that in about the third episode. So that ending makes a whole lot of the season seem superfluous to me.

[IndyJones1023]

As it is, you really have to come up with a pretty attenuated chain of events to explain why Claire was the key to anything.
Claire was the key because if Sylar had killed her at Homecoming, he would have her healing powers and be unstoppable.

[busyba]

I thought they made it pretty clear when Nikki was using super-strength that that aspect of her persona was done.
I thought the significance of that scene (the one where she was fighting Candice->Jessica) was that she finally learned how to tap the power within herself as Niki and no longer had to rely on Jessica to use the power.

Early on, it was strongly implied that the power was more than just super-strength, that it was some kind of primal beast-like thing with super-strength. There was the over-the-top evisceration of her victims, the growling heard through the door when Hiro and Ando hid in the closet of the poker game that got hit, and I vaguely recall an she-hulk-like image in one of Issac's 9th wonder comic books.

All these were hints early in the season of the nature of the power and it seems like they just changed their minds and decided to just forget any of that ever happened.

[ZooCaretaker]

What about Mamma Petrelli? Can she brainwash people? When she told Nathan that Linderman was dead, she placed both her hands on Nathan’s back - for a noticably long time – telling him this changes nothing. Nathan agreed and later in the garage, Peter read his thoughts that there was nothing that could be done further indicating he fully intended to let it happen. Were those his own thoughts? Or the thoughts of someone who may be brainwashing him (i.e. dear ole Mom)

[Ruth]

Claire was the key because if Sylar had killed her at Homecoming, he would have her healing powers and be unstoppable.

OK, I see that. But Sylar turned out to be basically irrelevant to the explosion, since Peter was the exploding man, not Sylar. I took "Save the cheerleader, save the world" to refer to stopping the bomb specifically, not just helping Sylar be less evil generally. And it doesn't look like Sylar died anyway.

I'm not saying it makes NO sense this way -- but I think it would be more congruent and a neat loop back to the beginning of the season if Claire had actually played a direct role in stopping the bomb.

[BrettStah]

OK, I see that. But Sylar turned out to be basically irrelevant to the explosion, since Peter was the exploding man, not Sylar. I took "Save the cheerleader, save the world" to refer to stopping the bomb specifically, not just helping Sylar be less evil generally. And it doesn't look like Sylar died anyway. But Future Hiro (originator of the phrase "Save the cheerleader, save the world") thought, as almost everyone on the planet, that Sylar was the one who exploded, not Peter.

[drew2k]

To no one in particular: anticlimatic ≠ anticlimactic.

[EvilMidniteBombr]

What about Mamma Petrelli? Can she brainwash people? When she told Nathan that Linderman was dead, she placed both her hands on Nathan’s back - for a noticably long time – telling him this changes nothing. Nathan agreed and later in the garage, Peter read his thoughts that there was nothing that could be done further indicating he fully intended to let it happen. Were those his own thoughts? Or the thoughts of someone who may be brainwashing him (i.e. dear ole Mom)
I was thinking along those same lines. She has some kind of subliminal message ability. Almost like what Eden had before she got wacked.

[busyba]

But Future Hiro (originator of the phrase "Save the cheerleader, save the world") thought, as almost everyone on the planet, that Sylar was the one who exploded, not Peter.
Yeah, the whole "Save the Cheerleader, Save he World" was essentially just FutureHiro's theory, so the fact that it wasn't really correct in the end isn't a big deal for me.

[atrac]

My favorite part about the whole season has to be the music score by Wendy & Lisa with the voice of Shenkar. It helped to create the fantastic and original atmosphere for the show. Big :up:

I for one hope there is a score soundtrack release.

[gastrof]

...I'm not sure that we've seen any other instances where both Sylar and Peter have obtained the same hero's power.

Peter's used Sylar's stolen TK ability more than once (in the present, not to mention in the future as well).

[gastrof]

Yeah, the whole "Save the Cheerleader, Save he World" was essentially just FutureHiro's theory, so the fact that it wasn't really correct in the end isn't a big deal for me.


Actually, it WAS really correct.

By saving Claire, Peter both prevented Sylar from gaining her ability (and becoming pretty much impossible to kill), but more importantly, allowed Claire to live and meet Nathan. Her then taking a stand for what she believed in opened his eyes to something.

If Claire had died when Sylar went to the school, she'd have never met Nathan, never influenced him, and he'd never have flown to Peter's side at the last moment.

Like Nathan said, Claire was saved so that Nathan and Peter could save the world.

[JETarpon]

It's the giggle loop! :)

:up: :up: :up: Nice reference.

[appleye1]

To no one in particular: anticlimatic ≠ anticlimactic.Yeah, I don't think anticlimatic is really even a word. Climatic is a word - means of or relating to climate - so I guess you could stick an "anti" on it to mean someone who is against a climate. As in, "Dick, being the anticlimatic person he was, absolutely hated Maine's climate." Kind of silly.

[TracyMiller]

Actually, it WAS really correct.

By saving Claire, Peter both prevented Sylar from gaining her ability (and becoming pretty much impossible to kill), but more importantly, allowed Claire to live and meet Nathan. Her then taking a stand for what she believed in opened his eyes to something.

If Claire had died when Sylar went to the school, she'd have never met Nathan, never influenced him, and he'd never have flown to Peter's side at the last moment.

Like Nathan said, Claire was saved so that Nathan and Peter could save the world.

That's quite a stretch. If Hiro had pieced all this together he could have just explained it to Claire, Nathan, Peter, etc.

And to the posters who mentioned that if Sylar had killed Claire he would have her healing powers and be unstoppable...well, it appeared he didn't die anyway.
So again, why did "Saving the Cheerleader Save the World"? Also, wasn't it just NYC that was at stake, and not the world? I think maybe some more stuff is going to go down in Volume 2 that may make this more relevant.

And what kind of power did Sylar obtain to let him get out of Hiro's "freeze time" trick a few episodes ago?

Anyone else thinking maybe big-bad = Shaft/Charles Deveaux?

[appleye1]

So again, why did "Saving the Cheerleader Save the World"? Also, wasn't it just NYC that was at stake, and not the world?Exactly, I've said several times that either the slogan was stupid because blowing up NYC is not the same as blowing up the world, or there's more to the slogan than we know.

But nobody has ever paid any attention to me when I said this. Sniff...sniff...I think I don't have any Heroes cred. :(

;)

[Shakhari]

Save the japanese warrior/emperor....save the world? :p

It just doesn't have the same ring.

Save the Samurai, Save the World ... :p

[Mr. Soze]

Exactly, I've said several times that either the slogan was stupid because blowing up NYC is not the same as blowing up the world, or there's more to the slogan than we know.

But nobody has ever paid any attention to me when I said this. Sniff...sniff...I think I don't have any Heroes cred. :(

;)I also said that a few weeks ago. I figured the "save the world" part comes from preventing Sylar as Nathan becoming President. And that is actually still technically possible.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Anyone else thinking maybe big-bad = Shaft/Charles Deveaux?
No...

[Thinks about it]

No...

[scooterboy]

And to the posters who mentioned that if Sylar had killed Claire he would have her healing powers and be unstoppable...well, it appeared he didn't die anyway.
I don't understand why some people keep saying this. The evidence given points to Sylar dying (eyes went white then extinguished) and being dragged to the manhole rather than him crawling there himself. We just don't know for sure who dragged him.

Or did I miss a clue to the contrary?

[dswallow]

We just don't know for sure who dragged him.
Did you ever see the movie "Joe's Apartment"?

:p

[madscientist]

Peter's used Sylar's stolen TK ability more than once (in the present, not to mention in the future as well).Right, but what I meant was have we ever had another power that Peter obtained by meeting the hero, then Sylar obtained by eating brains? Obviously we've had powers that Peter obtained from Sylar directly.

[MassD]

The evidence given points to Sylar dying (eyes went white then extinguished) and being dragged to the manhole rather than him crawling there himself. We just don't know for sure who dragged him.

Agreed 100%....

From some of the things I've read, the writers plan to mix things up a bit for season two. If S2 was just a rehash of 1, with the same Heros going after the same vilian, fan apathy will quickly approach 'Lost' levels.

The roach thing intrigues me... I don't think that they'd go out of their way to show them if there wasn't something in the works. Will Season 2 be more of a Heroes vs. Monsters kind of thing? Hiro gets his own kind of dragon to slay maybe?

In any case... Sylar is dead... maybe something is going to chomp on him and absorb his powers or something.

[wprager]

Sorry if this has been brought up, but Sylar knew how he was supposed to end up, since he saw Isaac's picture. He also had more than enough time to react to Hiro -- he appeared a good 10-15 feet behind him, screamed his name, then ran toward him; he didn't exactly sneak up on him. Sure, he was somewhat distracted by Peter, but he did not seem to have any problems controlling Peter, who had problems of his own. And even after getting shishkabobbed by Hiro he could still flick him away like a mosquito.

So, what *really* happened? Was Sylar so convinced of his own superiority that he disregarded the comic book that predicted *how* he was going to get it and from whom? Was he not concerned because Hiro had tried twice before and failed? Or was something else at play here that made Sylar realize that he would survive (maybe he learned a new trick, or used TK to rearrange his internal organs so that nothing vital got harmed -- this wouldn't explain the pool of blood, though)/

[NJChris]

And what kind of power did Sylar obtain to let him get out of Hiro's "freeze time" trick a few episodes ago?

Hiro lost concentration. He was going to kill someone and was nervous/scared/apprehensive and lost his concentration.

I liked the ending... I would not expect a big giant fight. These are people who were not trained to fight.. there is no Danger Room.... Nobody to show them the ropes. Peter hardly got anything that from invisible guy.

I thought it was more about their struggles rather than some big x-men cartoon battle.

[bobcarn]

That wasn't a liquid flowing, that was a smear, as if someone dragged him, or he dragged himself. (Which, I suppose, opens it up for the Big Bad that we learned about tonight... could've been him/her/it grabbing Sylar's body and dragging it away. I just assume it was Sylar dragging himself away.)

ooooooh! :eek: I replayed the scene. Maybe my aging eyes aren't picking up details in darkened scenes, but with the second viewing, I was able to see the drag marks. And as for your premise..... wow. It makes sense because it sure looked like Sylar died.

The Big Bad is the only person that Molly won't "find", because when Molly locates him, the Big Bad can "see" Molly. He's apparently more powerful than Sylar.

Well, technically, he's "worse" than Sylar, not necessarily more powerful. He could just be more sick and twisted.

I don't think she hinted that at all. I think her talk to Micah was just to further mess with his head, just to remind him of her power in a way to keep him somewhat compliant.
The tone of her conversation implied that she looked different. She said something to the extend of being younger and having people judge you based on your looks, and she said it as if she had personal experience. It could be that she was heavier/different looking/plain when she was younger. Maybe she spruced herself up, or maybe she's been doing this persona for so long, even unconscious her brain is continuing the charade.

[bobcarn]

What a horrible last 10 minutes. Cheesy. Felt like they had to rush to end this storyline in the final 10 minutes. All the characters show up and do a little bit of their power, most of it not working. Then a cheesy dialogue between brothers. Felt like they had no clue how to end the show from day 1.

Goes to show how genius LOST is.

Lost may be pure genius, but if they don't share it with the audience, what good is it? After about a year and a half, I realized they were just jerkin' my chain. Who wants to have new mysteries brought up every episode, and never have them explained? What's the point?

I realized from day one that the writers for Heroes didn't have the finesse of the Lost writers. But one they they understand that the Lost writers don't is what's fun! Heroes is a lot of popcorn-eating fun. Lost is a lot of overly-dramatic questions-without-answers.

I like popcorn.

[srs5694]

I don't understand why some people keep saying this. The evidence given points to Sylar dying (eyes went white then extinguished) and being dragged to the manhole rather than him crawling there himself. We just don't know for sure who dragged him.

Or did I miss a clue to the contrary?

You've missed the oft-repeated information that the actor who plays Sylar has been signed on for the second season. Of course, he could still be dead -- perhaps the new Big Bad will use Sylar's image (a la Candice) or make him a Frankenstein's Monster or something.

[hapdrastic]

You've missed the oft-repeated information that the actor who plays Sylar has been signed on for the second season. Of course, he could still be dead -- perhaps the new Big Bad will use Sylar's image (a la Candice) or make him a Frankenstein's Monster or something.

I think a reanimated corpse is quite likely.

[EvilMidniteBombr]

I think a reanimated corpse is quite likely.
Maybe an army of Sylar Zombies!

[hapdrastic]

Maybe an army of Sylar Zombies!

Well, he does eat brains!

[LlamaLarry]

<rant> And if we want to get technical here, a nuclear explosion over a city would cause an EMP that would basically wipe out all electronics. Let it happen over NYC & you may as well have let the bomb go off on the ground. Then again, it is just a show about superheroes. </rant>Indeed, Nathan and Peter both seemed to forget a critical part of "Up, up and *away*".When I realized it was 47 minutes in and the final confrontation hadn't even started, I groaned.Same here, was a little bit of a let down when I realized they had so little time left. I was also stunned at the decision to let Nikki go be with her family rather than continue laying out Sylar's brains with the meter.

As much as I love the Hiro character, for a comic geek he seems to have no idea how powerful his power is and uses it a lot less than I would. Only guess why he doesn't use it more is that his squint/clench motion is about to make him bust an o-ring.

[unicorngoddess]

I was also stunned at the decision to let Nikki go be with her family rather than continue laying out Sylar's brains with the meter.


She didn't have to stay there. Peter absorbed her powers and told her to go be with her family and he could continue the beat down.

[Dawghows]

Personally, I think the season ended perfectly for a show about "ordinary people with extraordinary abilities"...

This was precisely my problem with it. All season long we've seen these "ordinary people" deal with all sorts of out-of-the-ordinary situations, all the while somehow managing to retain their own ordinariness. Then suddenly, in the last few minutes of the finale, it snapped into what seemed to me like the most stereotypically comic-book-y clichés possible.

I didn't quite hate it, and it wasn't bad enough to cancel out what a great season it has been. But I thought it was a HUGE disappointment, and wholly out of synch with the character of the show itself.

[EvilMidniteBombr]

I think a reanimated corpse is quite likely.Maybe an army of Sylar Zombies!
Well, he does eat brains!
That's what I'm saying!

[That Don Guy]

Excuse me if this has been mentioned, but I didn't see any matches when I tried a search...

Among the other things that happened in the season finale:
Hiro travelled through time and space (from New York to Japan);
Claire fell quite a distance, but then got back up and walked away;
Peter and Nathan flew together.

Didn't all of these things happen in the first episode as well (and, except for Hiro, hadn't happened since)?

-- Don

[ping]

Claire did her jump test again (in Godsend, after Zach's memory was erased and his tapes of the original tests destroyed).

Strictly speaking, Peter and Nathan didn't fly together in the finale. Nathan carried Peter.

[ZooCaretaker]

I don't understand why some people keep saying this. The evidence given points to Sylar dying (eyes went white then extinguished) and being dragged to the manhole rather than him crawling there himself. We just don't know for sure who dragged him.

Or did I miss a clue to the contrary?

The roach running around by the manhole cover - similiar to the one crawling around when he was in lockup - is a clue.

[Sir_Q]

Like others, I agree this was a little anti-climactic, but I enjoyed it. However, I still want to know Mama Petreelli's power and what happened to the Haitian. Use the Haitian to contain Sylar's powers, and anyone could have killed Sylar...

End of Volume 1

Volume 2: Generations

Is it next season yet?

:D

Funny how Molly was the only one that could stop Sylar, but the Haitian did it the 1st time. :rolleyes:

[Langree]

Funny how Molly was the only one that could stop Sylar, but the Haitian did it the 1st time. :rolleyes:

The Haitian is to easy an out in my mind, not only that, but he subdues everyone's powers if he's around, in some situations this could be bad.

[wprager]

Agreed 100%....

From some of the things I've read, the writers plan to mix things up a bit for season two. If S2 was just a rehash of 1, with the same Heros going after the same vilian, fan apathy will quickly approach 'Lost' levels.

The roach thing intrigues me... I don't think that they'd go out of their way to show them if there wasn't something in the works. Will Season 2 be more of a Heroes vs. Monsters kind of thing? Hiro gets his own kind of dragon to slay maybe?

In any case... Sylar is dead... maybe something is going to chomp on him and absorb his powers or something.

To paraphrase Lost's Ben: The roach is a metaphor, John.

[EvilMidniteBombr]

The Haitian is to easy an out in my mind, not only that, but he subdues everyone's powers if he's around, in some situations this could be bad.
Eden was able to use her powers on Sylar while the Haitian was nearby.

Wasn't the Haitian with HRG when they tried to nab Nathan Petrelli at the casino hotel in Vegas. Nathan managed to fly away despite the Haitian being there.

I hate bringing up the 5 Years Gone episode again... When Director Parkman was questioning present Hiro in the future, the Haitian was there subduing Hiro's power while Parkman was reading Hiro's thoughts.

I think there were some other examples, but can't recall them off the top of my head. I think that the Haitian's power is a focused effect and not an area effect (unless he chooses it to be) and one that he can turn on/off at will.

[IndyJones1023]

I think there were some other examples, but can't recall them off the top of my head. I think that the Haitian's power is a focused effect and not an area effect (unless he chooses it to be) and one that he can turn on/off at will.
I've always thought this. In fact, it's well established thruout the show.

[BrettStah]

The Haitian is to easy an out in my mind, not only that, but he subdues everyone's powers if he's aroundWhat is the basis of this assertion? Remember when Nathan was captured and then escaped? The Haitian was right in front of him, just a few feet away - yet Nathan was able to fly, probably because neither Bennett nor the Haitian knew that he could fly.

[slocko]

the episode was a huge let down.

[Langree]

What is the basis of this assertion? Remember when Nathan was captured and then escaped? The Haitian was right in front of him, just a few feet away - yet Nathan was able to fly, probably because neither Bennett nor the Haitian knew that he could fly.

my mistake

[twm01]

I don't understand why some people keep saying this. The evidence given points to Sylar dying (eyes went white then extinguished)...
And I don't understand while people keep using the 'eyes-going-white' thing as proof of his death. This was shown only in reference to the ability to see the future, a la Isaac.

[jradford]

Wow, didn't take long for the Lost season finale post count to zoom past this one.

[ccooperev]

Claire did her jump test again (in Godsend, after Zach's memory was erased and his tapes of the original tests destroyed).

Strictly speaking, Peter and Nathan didn't fly together in the finale. Nathan carried Peter.

So, how high up do you think they went?

[phox_mulder]

So, how high up do you think they went?

Above the clouds, as you could see them below the explosion.

Planes are almost stratosphere high, so I'd say higher than that.


phox

[busyba]

Claire did her jump test again (in Godsend, after Zach's memory was erased and his tapes of the original tests destroyed).
Speaking of Zach, that reminds me... when Claire was shouting about how "the future isn't written in stone", she should have added, "after all, look at my friend Zach; he was supposed to be gay!" :D

[Hunter Green]

So ... when Candace was knocked unconscious her image changed from Jessica back to ... Candace. She hinted strongly to Micah that her Candace image is not her real appearance, so shouldn't we have seen a different body than the one we were accustomed to seeing when she lost control of her power?I think they just didn't have time to explain who she turned into in a way that would be clear to the audience and wouldn't break the flow of the show. Sometimes wrong is right in storytelling.

Exactly, I've said several times that either the slogan was stupid because blowing up NYC is not the same as blowing up the world, or there's more to the slogan than we know.Blowing up NYC isn't the doom of the world, but what happens after that is, at least as far as FutureHiro is concerned. The bomb is the tipping point leading to the Sylarian police state.

I felt the same sense of anticlimax, but I think a few rounds of swordplay before the stabbing would have provided what was missing.

[Fraser+Dief]

Exactly, I've said several times that either the slogan was stupid because blowing up NYC is not the same as blowing up the world

It's quite simple really. To a lot of Americans, U.S. = the world. Ever hear the phrase "Leader of the Free World" ascribed to the POTUS? I believe we even heard it on this show at some point during the season. The writers are obviously of that bent. Thus, blowing up NY = blowing up world as we know it.

I also found the episode a little wanting. First of all, they should have shown Peter struggling to deal with a massive influx of new powers all at one time, thus explaining why he couldn't control the reaction and simply didn't fly off himself. The super-sensitive hearing would have been a good one for that, along with a nice Kirkian monologue of "Massive... Influx... of... Powers.... Can't... Control... It..."

A couple of days later, I realise that the disappointment was not because there wasn't a "knock buildings down" fight, it's because they didn't work together. All season long it seemed like they were all coming together to New York, and only through their combined efforts would they be able to win.

But instead, they all basically just stood around and watched. Except Nikki, who at leashed bashed him with a pole.

[JYoung]

I think they just didn't have time to explain who she turned into in a way that would be clear to the audience and wouldn't break the flow of the show. Sometimes wrong is right in storytelling.


Or they could have used a heavy set extra unconcious on the floor and have Micah say, "That's what she looks like!"

[Hunter Green]

That would break the flow and pacing, I think, and that's what I think they thought too.

[TheGreyOwl]

Blowing up NYC isn't the doom of the world, but what happens after that is, at least as far as FutureHiro is concerned. The bomb is the tipping point leading to the Sylarian police state.


I don't think "save the world" was ever referring to NYC blowing up. I think it was the consequences afterward, like the hunting down of all people with powers. Presumably, that happened worldwide (I think they actually mentioned that in the "future" episode).

What I didn't like about the finale is that NYC didn't blow up. Not because I wanted to see a big explosion, but because it contradicted previously established facts in the show. Isaac's predictions always came true, but this one didn't. Hiro had tried to change things before (saving Charlie) but it never worked. They seemed to be saying that the universe will find a way no matter what you change. But in the finale, suddenly Isaac's vision was wrong and they managed to change the future. :confused:

[EvilMidniteBombr]

I don't think "save the world" was ever referring to NYC blowing up. I think it was the consequences afterward, like the hunting down of all people with powers. Presumably, that happened worldwide (I think they actually mentioned that in the "future" episode).

What I didn't like about the finale is that NYC didn't blow up. Not because I wanted to see a big explosion, but because it contradicted previously established facts in the show. Isaac's predictions always came true, but this one didn't. Hiro had tried to change things before (saving Charlie) but it never worked. They seemed to be saying that the universe will find a way no matter what you change. But in the finale, suddenly Isaac's vision was wrong and they managed to change the future. :confused:
I totally agree. Everyone of Isaac's paintings/sketches that we saw actually happened. It might not have happened the way we thought it would. But it happened. Suddenly, he is wrong. Then agan, maybe it was just one version of the future. And in at least two versions of the future that we saw, it actually happened.

[Hunter Green]

My sense is that that's why the season's storyline is over: because all previous attempts to change the future failed until this one finally succeeded, and that's what it took to end the story. The season wasn't about finding a way to save cheerleaders or worlds or defeat Sylars; it was finding a way to prevent a future. Thus, the story ends precisely when that is achieved, not a moment sooner or later.

But I suppose if it makes you happy, the fact that Peter and Sylar are probably both still alive means NYC could still get blown up. Isaac's paintings always came true, but not always in the way, or at the time, people thought from looking at them. Maybe this is just another one.

[stellie93]

Just rewatched the ep--a few thoughts--

When Sylar was painting the future he seemed to see the picture in his head, where Isaac seemed to close his eyes and paint and then look to see what he had.

Simone's Dad seemed to be a good guy, Linderman, a bad guy, and Mrs. Petrelli seemed to be very close to both. :confused:

When they walked into the square at the end and looked all around, no sign of Sylar. Then suddenly he's behind them. Did he come up through the manhole too? He doesn't do invisible, does he?

[nyny523]

Just watched this - I really enjoyed this show!

Very interesting (and appropriate) that HRG is named Noah from a biblical perspective. Noah was responsible for chosing those to save who would create the new world. Hmmmmm......

[Peter000]

Isaac's paintings always came true, but not always in the way, or at the time, people thought from looking at them. Maybe this is just another one.Did Isaac do a painting of Claire with the top of her head sawed off? Like he did for himself?

[Rob Helmerichs]

Did Isaac do a painting of Claire with the top of her head sawed off? Like he did for himself?
IIRC, he painted a cheerleader with a really close haircut (i.e., the top of her head sawed off), and everybody assumed it was Claire, but it turned out to be her friend/rival.

[busyba]

Did Isaac do a painting of Claire with the top of her head sawed off? Like he did for himself?
He did a painting of a blonde cheerleader with the top of her head sawed off. There was nothing that indicated that it was Claire specifically, that was just the assumption made by the people on the show and the viewers.

A cheerleader did eventually get sliced by Sylar. It wasn't Claire, but it was good enough for the prophecy of the painting to be considered fulfilled.

[balboa dave]

:D IIRC, he painted a cheerleader with a really close haircut (i.e., the top of her head sawed off), and everybody assumed it was Claire, but it turned out to be her friend/rival.I believe the proper term is frenemy.

[cyke93]

I always liked the relationship between Nathan and Peter. That was how the show began. Like Noah, we didn't know if Nathan was really good or bad. In the end, Nathan proved himself. I hope that they both survived.

Still though, I expected more action from the finale. I was really hoping to see Peter and Sylar go after each other. The problem with peter is that he can't fully control his powers. Peter is himself a danger, being around other people with abilities.. he'll grow too powerful.

[classicX]

"Noah, I'd like you to build me an ark...."
I can't tell you why I'm channeling Bill Cosby, it just seems to fit.

Bill Cosby???

[classicX]

And I don't understand while people keep using the 'eyes-going-white' thing as proof of his death. This was shown only in reference to the ability to see the future, a la Isaac.

It was different from the eyes going white - it was more like they lost their colour. Remember, both Claire and Peter had their eyes "shut off" when they were killed. (Personally, on a side note, I think that Peter wouldn't have recovered if Claire wasn't around when the glass was removed - he has to actively activate her power, it's not automatic for him, unless the person is near and his body does it as a reflex).

Anyway, it means he was dead or nearly dead. Perhaps Mr. Linderman found a way to heal himself after DL gave him the squeeze, then grabbed Sylar and healed him up in the sewer.

The roach metaphor definitely means that Sylar will survive, since roaches survive anything.

[EvilMidniteBombr]

Bill Cosby???
Bill Cosby did a routine about God telling Noah to build the Ark. I don't remember specifics, but it was funny.

[sushikitten]

Bill Cosby did a routine about God telling Noah to build the Ark. I don't remember specifics, but it was funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyc1315KawQ

[heyitscory]

Before anyone tears into the fact that Peter could have flown away himself, gotta say, best one hour of my life this year. Awesome! So what is Mr. Deveaux's ability, any guesses? Kensei is obviously Sulu.
I'm sure in these many pages someone said this, but I think that's where Peter got his psychic dreams from. That's how Mr. Deveaux knew about la bomba.

[scottjf8]

We just watched this (we never started Heroes when it started on NBC, so we waited until the DVD's came out.. yes, we've watched every episode in the last 2 weeks!)

We really liked the finale! I would have liked a bit more of a battle scene at the end, but it was definitely awesome!

And we don't have to wait all summer, just one day, to see the start of the next Chapter! :D