Entourage: "The Resurrection" OAD week of 5/13/07 *spoilers*

[terpfan1980]

Ok, so, for those that don't pay attention to previews and didn't want to believe that Medellin was on the way back the episode title pretty much tells you all you need to know.

The party is about to get started again but good. It's to nice to see the band will be back together.

[analog4]

"This script has been rewritten and changed more than Andy Dick's vibrator"

[CTLesq]

Victory!

[charlief1975]

Love the episode...and loved the scene when Drama got his car back. I know the feeling.

[Meathead]

I must have missed what happened to the Continental. It is the exact same car used in the opening sequence, but I do not recall it being in the show other than that. And let me add that I would KILL for that car!

I really liked this episode. I am usually not a fan of episodes that do nothing but advance the story line and have no standalone fun stuff, but it feels like this entire season has been nothing but fun stuff filler episodes that drag the story along. I am glad they are finally moving forward with the core story & it looks like Vince will actually have some work again! Now if they will only keep the momentum going.

I love how helpless all the guys are when Drama is gone & they cannot eat anything.

[edc]

I don't quite get what's going on with Drama and his series. Was it picked up for a series, or did NBC only pick up the pilot as a TV movie?

If they only bought the pilot, they did an awful lot of promotion for a one-time event, even if it was an Edward Burns production.

If they went to series, why aren't they filming the series? Good or bad on premiere night, they should be filling out the order, and Drama (as one of the main stars) should've been filming for at least the last month or so.

Given that Yom Kippur was very recent, "Entourage" is currently in September/October, which would correspond nicely with the premiere of a new series

[BriGuy20]

Five Towns (or whatever the series is called) got 16 million viewers and was tops in the 18-49 demo, so unless it hemorrhages viewers, it'll probably stay on. That's Heroes-before-the-hiatus numbers.

I also kinda forgot why the Continental needed to go in for repairs. It's a sweet car, though.

Yet again, the 30ish minutes go by and I want more at the end. This REALLY needs to be an hour-long, 16+ eps a year show.

[jschuur]

Yet again, the 30ish minutes go by and I want more at the end. This REALLY needs to be an hour-long, 16+ eps a year show.
You're (partially) in luck. Season four starts just 2 weeks after the current season ends.

[BriGuy20]

You're (partially) in luck. Season four starts just 2 weeks after the current season ends.

That's good news. I'm not a big fan of the 6-8 month long HBO hiatuses.

[Rob Helmerichs]

You're (partially) in luck. Season four starts just 2 weeks after the current season ends.
I was really confused--this episode had a strong Season Finale vibe to it, but I know there are two more...and now you say even after that, it just keeps going!

Weird show...but that's OK. I can handle THAT kind of weirdness!

[TAsunder]

So if the script went for $5 million does that mean the writer who originally wrote it got $5 million or did they charge that much because they already had invested money in it?

[Rob Helmerichs]

So if the script went for $5 million does that mean the writer who originally wrote it got $5 million or did they charge that much because they already had invested money in it?
I think the studio that had the script was selling their rights to it for $5,000,000. The writer still has what he got when he sold the rights, but shouldn't get anything more until the film goes into production (at least, that's the way writers' script deals are usually structured).

[writdenied]

So if the script went for $5 million does that mean the writer who originally wrote it got $5 million or did they charge that much because they already had invested money in it?
Turnaround is just a garage sale by whoever holds the rights to a project. The price is set by the rights holder, and often is an effort to recoup some/all of what that person has spent developing the project. Ok, maybe "garage sale" isn't the best analogy. It's more like buying someone's house -- their asking price is what they paid for it in the first place, plus the value of everything they've added to it since. Unless you negotiate otherwise, you wind up buying everything they've created to date -- i.e. script rewrites, rights to people's likenesses or stories, sometimes even footage that has been shot to date.

The writer isn't getting anything near $5 million. Depending on a lot of things, the writer probably got something $50-100K for writing the script and selling it to Studio X or Producer Y. After that, the writer usually disappears from the project (if the producer needs tweaks, they'll either call in someone else to "doctor" the script, or the producer or someone else might just do the tweaks him/herself.) Studio X/Producer Y is the one setting the $5 million price, and given that film was rolling on "Medellin" before it was shut down, that's probably a big discount over what the studio or producer had invested in it. (Ari makes a comment to that effect when trying to interest the producer initially.) But all of the $5 million goes to the studio/producer who owns the project right now, just like you, not Home Depot, gets the full selling price of your house, even though they provided the lumber for the deck.

[astrohip]

+1 on the car. No idea why it was being repaired. You never saw them driving it (except in the opening).

Could Turtle actually have a gf? I mean, one that he hasn't rented by the hour? Maybe some free rub & tug :D . Good for him!

Here's one scenario... Since E & Vince are the producers, Vince makes the movie for pennies, instead of millions. BUT... he gets a share of the gross. Of course, since everything he touches turns gold, the movie will outgross Aquaman, and Vince will end up with Keanu type money ($100,000,000+).

[CTLesq]

Here's one scenario... Since E & Vince are the producers, Vince makes the movie for pennies, instead of millions. BUT... he gets a share of the gross. Of course, since everything he touches turns gold, the movie will outgross Aquaman, and Vince will end up with Keanu type money ($100,000,000+).

Take the need for Vince to make money out of the show and you kill a huge part of it.

He can be successful but never too successful.

Ultimately, who cares? There are no more decent parties or nudity in the show.

Wow, the poor movie star doesn't get the choice show he wants? My heat bleeds.

What made this show good was the humor and the T&A lifestyle which most of us don't get. Both have taken hits recently.

[Sparty99]

Vince is the dumbest man in Hollywood. Put up $5 million of your own money and make the movie (and assume any financial risk for it) or have someone else make the film as long as you do a part your heart isn't completely in? I'm sorry, this whole, "I'm not your typical whore actor" is getting tiresome.

Of course, the storyline will likely have him making the movie, it being a major hit, and he and E winning Best Picture Oscars.

[unixb0y]

Where do they take it from here?

What are they going to concentrate on? Pre production, production and post production?

It takes a LONG time to make a film.

You can pretty much make a season out of each phase of making a movie.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Where do they take it from here?

What are they going to concentrate on? Pre production, production and post production?

It takes a LONG time to make a film.

You can pretty much make a season out of each phase of making a movie.
Yeah, but in this show a LOT of that sort of stuff happens during the gap between seasons. So whatever they want to show, they'll show, and whatever they want to gloss over they'll gloss over.

[Mr. Soze]

What made this show good was the humor and the T&A lifestyle which most of us don't get. Both have taken hits recently.Precisely. I hope they get this back soon. Even so, seeing Eric tooling around in an Aston Martin rubs me the wrong way.

[Meathead]

What made this show good was the humor and the T&A lifestyle which most of us don't get. Both have taken hits recently.
I believe that someone a few weeks back said that they were toning the language, T&A, and all around fun of the series back so that it would be easier to syndicate on basic cable or even channels like TBS (which is an OTA for me in Atlanta) much like they are doing with Sex and the City.

I agree that the fun day of the show was when Vince was foolishly leasing $350,000 Rolls-Royce Phantoms & trying to return them 48 hours later, or naked pool parties with the hottest girls you could find, or last minute trips to Vegas for a stripper pageant, or having Ari go off on a 5 minute swear-fest to anyone within earshot. Those things are gone & now we are left with a show that is basically following an out of work star actor who can't get the roles he wants. It's like a scripted version of the Surreal Life.

[jgerry]

I agree that the fun day of the show was when Vince was foolishly leasing $350,000 Rolls-Royce Phantoms & trying to return them 48 hours later, or naked pool parties with the hottest girls you could find, or last minute trips to Vegas for a stripper pageant, or having Ari go off on a 5 minute swear-fest to anyone within earshot. Those things are gone & now we are left with a show that is basically following an out of work star actor who can't get the roles he wants. It's like a scripted version of the Surreal Life.
I've never seen the surreal life, but I'll bet that Entourage is better than that! At least I'd hope so.

I enjoyed this episode a lot. The Lincoln? I don't recall ever seeing in the show except for the opening sequence. So that's a mystery. We have the return of Rufus, who the guys were referred to by Luke Wilson in a previous season, who used to run a home theater installation business. Rufus also used to do a little, uh, illegal stuff, like going over to Vince's house with "a pound of the bubble kush stashed in the wheel well of my DeVille". That's pot talk to the uninitiated. So Rufus has changed careers, and has a daughter, and Turtle has the hots for Rufus' daughter.

So Vince is going to sell his house to wrangle up the cash to buy the rights to Medellin... Well that's one way to go! I wonder what Ari gets out of this deal, too. Yes, he hooked up the deal. But Ari gets paid when Vince gets paid, and since Vince is likely to pay himself zero dollars and get paid on the back end, Ari gets a fat 15% of zero. I'd be curious to see how that plays out, and whether Ari would accept a few points on the back end to cover what he's not getting on the commission. I don't know much about movie financing, but that does seem odd. Maybe Vince will get Ari to capitalize some of the film, and Ari can be a producer too.

I do wonder if too much success for Vince and the crew will make for a duller show in the future. I can certainly see that argument.

[pmyers]

I was totally lost during that whole Rufos storyline....It seemed liked they wanted us to remember him and know him, but I had no clue.

[mqpickles]

I've never seen the surreal life, but I'll bet that Entourage is better than that! At least I'd hope so.

I enjoyed this episode a lot. The Lincoln? I don't recall ever seeing in the show except for the opening sequence. So that's a mystery. We have the return of Rufus, who the guys were referred to by Luke Wilson in a previous season, who used to run a home theater installation business. Rufus also used to do a little, uh, illegal stuff, like going over to Vince's house with "a pound of the bubble kush stashed in the wheel well of my DeVille". That's pot talk to the uninitiated. So Rufus has changed careers, and has a daughter, and Turtle has the hots for Rufus' daughter.

So Vince is going to sell his house to wrangle up the cash to buy the rights to Medellin... Well that's one way to go! I wonder what Ari gets out of this deal, too. Yes, he hooked up the deal. But Ari gets paid when Vince gets paid, and since Vince is likely to pay himself zero dollars and get paid on the back end, Ari gets a fat 15% of zero. I'd be curious to see how that plays out, and whether Ari would accept a few points on the back end to cover what he's not getting on the commission. I don't know much about movie financing, but that does seem odd. Maybe Vince will get Ari to capitalize some of the film, and Ari can be a producer too.

I do wonder if too much success for Vince and the crew will make for a duller show in the future. I can certainly see that argument.I don't know where they're going with this show, but I doubt they're going to turn Vinnie into a guy with great business savvy. None of the 4 of them is very smart. Eric is the smartest, but his intuition is not good (the one who didn't trust Amanda). They've all been skating by on Vince's good looks, charm and talent (in that order). I don't think that's going to change. And I think on balance those things will continue to serve him well, but his "principled stands" (which are really as much about ego as anything) are probably going to continue to trip him up and keep him from becoming his generation's Clint Eastwood.

I can see him making a moderately successful movie out of Medellin, but it does no more than break even. Then he'll have to take some roles that he's not so fond of to maintain the lifestyle to which he and his entourage have become accustomed.

In the meantime, they may find themselves supported by Drama for a while. Personally, I would love this, because I love Lloyd in agent mode.

[smak]

I don't understand them passing on Matterhorn site unseen.

There are big budget action high concept movies that are very good, and their stars get good notices.

He did the same thing on Aquaman until Cameron got attached. How does he know some top notch director isn't attached to this one, without even trying to ask.

Lots of actors do the big action movie to support them doing some smaller stuff.

It's rarely held against them.

It seems stupid to put up your life savings to buy a script, where he could take just a portion of his Matterhorn salary and do it, and who knows maybe Matterhorn is a great movie and big hit too.

-smak-

[writdenied]

I don't understand them passing on Matterhorn site unseen.
I got the impression both Vince and E had read it before. Sometimes, scripts just circulate around Hollywood endlessly, waiting for someone to decide to go with it. Say word got out that Will Ferrell was reading "Scriptapalooza." Knowing that whatever Will Ferrell does will be big, comedy actresses would want to get a copy of it and push for the love interest role. B-listers evel actor would have their agent get a copy to see if there was a role in it for them. Up and coming directors read it, hoping to land the director's chair on it. All of a sudden, everybody's reading "Scriptapalooza." (Like the rest of America, Hollywood works on buzz, too.) Then, Ferrell loses interest, and everyone else moves on. Six months later, Ben Stiller picks up "Scriptapalooza," and the whole cycle repeats. Two years later, everyone in Hollywood has read "Scriptapalooza," but nobody really wants to make it.

It seems stupid to put up your life savings to buy a script, where he could take just a portion of his Matterhorn salary and do it, and who knows maybe Matterhorn is a great movie and big hit too.
The deal was: make Matterhorn now, and I'll make Medellin with you after that. You saw what happened with the studio's promise to delay Aquaman 2. Let's assume "Matterhorn" flopped. Do you really think the producer would honor his deal with the now-less-bankable Vince to do a niche movie and lose more money? Sure, if "Matterhorn" was a hit, "Medellin" might get made (but maybe not-- maybe Vince would get railroaded into "Matterhorn 2" first...), but if they didn't think it was a good script, turning down the package deal was probably a good call.

[dswallow]

I doubt we'll see Medellin get made; it's likely more a device to humble and re-impoverish the boys for awhile.

[cwoody222]

Turtle is such a pimp! I love him!

Great episode. Can't wait to see where season 4 takes us.

"Something is afoot!" :)

[BriGuy20]

In the meantime, they may find themselves supported by Drama for a while. Personally, I would love this, because I love Lloyd in agent mode.

I also like Lloyd in getting-yelled-at-by-Ari mode, so I hope they keep that too. :p

[5thcrewman]

I knew Drama's show was a hit the second that they revealed the first bad review!

[BriGuy20]

I knew Drama's show was a hit the second that they revealed the first bad review!

I didn't find that totally realistic in this year's environment, a show with a seemingly similar concept (Black Donnelleys) tanked. If it was real life, it would be canceled within 5 episodes.

[CTLesq]

I believe that someone a few weeks back said that they were toning the language, T&A, and all around fun of the series back so that it would be easier to syndicate on basic cable or even channels like TBS (which is an OTA for me in Atlanta) much like they are doing with Sex and the City.


I believe that was me who made that comment based on what I read in another thread about this series.

If they are toning down content for future syndication than I have to question the value of my HBO subscription. I pay that fee precisely because I want to watch something that can exceed what I get on cable TV.

"Its not TV. Its HBO." Might very well be losing its meaning.

By way of the clearest example I can come up with at the moment - when Vince is in the tub with his agent - had this been season one, would anyone contend that we would NOT have seen her at least topless? Now, if the syndication rumors are true and they are changing things such as using soap to keep people covered - I ask you, why bother to continue to pay a subscription for this crap?

I could be watching the same watered down crap on TBS or FX for free.

[aindik]

I like the "art immitates life" aspect of Kevin Dillon's character living a life of obscurity in the shadow of his brother until being cast in a hit TV show about a guys from New York, produced by a movie actor.

As a Long Islander, the concept of "Five Towns" makes me laugh. "Johnny Chase prances around Hewlett." HA!

[TAsunder]

I am pretty sure matterhorn was pitched to vince a long time ago, maybe season 1 even, and he turned it down to do queens boulevard. Maybe i'm thinking of a different movie title, though.

[jgerry]

I am pretty sure matterhorn was pitched to vince a long time ago, maybe season 1 even, and he turned it down to do queens boulevard. Maybe i'm thinking of a different movie title, though.
I think it was the first season. "Matterhorn" was pitched to them as "Die Hard at Disney World." Vince and Eric both waffled over it, Eric finally stood up and said he didn't like it and he thought Vince shouldn't do it. Then the part went to Colin Farrell.

There was another mention of Matterhorn, I think last season. I seem to remember it didn't get made, Colin Farrell broke his arm or something? I may be totally pulling this out of my @ss and it's totally inaccurate. :)

[Fofer]

I doubt we'll see Medellin get made; it's likely more a device to humble and re-impoverish the boys for awhile.

Medellin will get made. Whether or not it's a hit, and the boys' "dice roll" pays off, is the question.

[mitkraft]

I love how helpless all the guys are when Drama is gone & they cannot eat anything.
I loved Turtle offering to cook for them and one at a time Eric and Vince both said "I'm not THAT hungry"..lol. I was like, "Pick up the phone and order something dorks!" (but of course that wouldn't have been as funny).
You're (partially) in luck. Season four starts just 2 weeks after the current season ends.
Holy cow I didn't know that. That's freakin awesome! It's Christmas in May :)
I think it was the first season. "Matterhorn" was pitched to them as "Die Hard at Disney World." Vince and Eric both waffled over it, Eric finally stood up and said he didn't like it and he thought Vince shouldn't do it. Then the part went to Colin Farrell.
Correct. Matterhorn was the first movie Ari tried to force on them after "Head On" (or whatever it was) was a big hit. Vince and Eric both have always hated that script and said it was crap.

[montag]

This show lost something. It just doesn't have the spark as it had in season's past. They're making the secondary character's like Turtle, Drama, Lloyd, and even Ari into more of cartoon characters than anything else. It's almost as if they are trying too hard.

It's a shame as I used to love this show. Now I only like it.

[pmyers]

I believe that was me who made that comment based on what I read in another thread about this series.

If they are toning down content for future syndication than I have to question the value of my HBO subscription. I pay that fee precisely because I want to watch something that can exceed what I get on cable TV.

"Its not TV. Its HBO." Might very well be losing its meaning.

By way of the clearest example I can come up with at the moment - when Vince is in the tub with his agent - had this been season one, would anyone contend that we would NOT have seen her at least topless? Now, if the syndication rumors are true and they are changing things such as using soap to keep people covered - I ask you, why bother to continue to pay a subscription for this crap?

I could be watching the same watered down crap on TBS or FX for free.

I totally agree. True definition of selling out.

[TivoFan]

I doubt we'll see Medellin get made; it's likely more a device to humble and re-impoverish the boys for awhile.

I agree that it's a device to humble and re-impoverish the gang, but I think in the end Medellin will get made, and it will be a critical if not financial success.

[dswallow]

I agree that it's a device to humble and re-impoverish the gang, but I think in the end Medellin will get made, and it will be a critical if not financial success.
Maybe it'll play out with it being a critically acclaimed success and Vince ends up getting offered a fluff role that pays big because of it (Matterhorn, anyone? :)). Medellin itself will have bombed at the box office, though, wiping out Vince's investment.

[BriGuy20]

I think Vince may be onto something. My hunch is Medellin will do poorly at the box office but well on DVD (a la Scarface).

[5thcrewman]

"Matterhorn" first known as "Big Thunder Mountain"


Making it a joke on "Pirates of the Carribean!"

[BriGuy20]

"Matterhorn" first known as "Big Thunder Mountain"


Making it a joke on "Pirates of the Carribean!"

It seemed like a joke in that vein. Isn't Matterhorn the Disney rollercoaster ride?

[Bananfish]

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Vince or E nominated for an Academy Award for Medellin - going "behind the scenes" on Oscar night has got to be on their list of material-rich Hollywood situations to put the boys in (going to pick out a tux, preparing a speech, Ari getting excited about the box office potential of an Oscar nominee, walking the red carpet (with Drama being ignored), at the Oscars with a hot date, Drama being Vince's "seat filler," the post-Oscar parties, etc.) I doubt they would have them win an Oscar, but that too could provide some good material.

[marksman]

You're (partially) in luck. Season four starts just 2 weeks after the current season ends.

Wow that would be weird but awesome.

[marksman]

It seemed like a joke in that vein. Isn't Matterhorn the Disney rollercoaster ride?

As is Big Thunder Mountain.

[aindik]

It seemed like a joke in that vein. Isn't Matterhorn the Disney rollercoaster ride?

Isn't that Space Mountain?

It's the oldest ride in the park, but it's still got the longest line.

Woooo~!

[Meathead]

Isn't that Space Mountain?

It's the oldest ride in the park, but it's still got the longest line.

Woooo~!
If you ever saw space mountain with the lights on, it is merely one of those baby roller coasters you see at travelling carnivals. The only thing that makes it exciting is that it is in the dark with glow in the dark stickers on the cars.

Another bit of trivia...while waiting in line for Space Mountain, you see shooting stars & asteroids fly by on the ceiling. The asteroids are actually chocolate chip cookies.

[BryanRDC]

Isn't that Space Mountain?

It's the oldest ride in the park, but it's still got the longest line.

Woooo~!
No, no. Space Mountain is, as the poster above points out, space-themed, and was built, I'm guessing, in the 1980's. The Matterhorn is indeed one of the oldest rides in the park, and is Alpine-themed. Both are fun, though!

[hanumang]

I believe that was me who made that comment based on what I read in another thread about this series.

Can you provide a source for that? Doug Ellin (creator & executive producer) says - in the special features of the Season 3, Part 1 DVDs - that they do not shoot any coverage (or clean takes) for future 'basic cable' syndication. For what it's worth, he also vehemently denies doing any product placement on the show. So who knows...

By way of the clearest example I can come up with at the moment - when Vince is in the tub with his agent - had this been season one, would anyone contend that we would NOT have seen her at least topless? Now, if the syndication rumors are true and they are changing things such as using soap to keep people covered - I ask you, why bother to continue to pay a subscription for this crap?

I'm not sure if that's such a good example. Virtually all the women who've appeared naked or topless in Entourage are - as either extras or actresses with limited resumes - basically women without the power to get a no-nudity clause in their contract. I don't think Carla Guigino falls into that category.

[toddvj]

Carla Guigino was topless in Sin City, and she had a much smaller part in that than in Entourage.

[Fofer]

/adds Sin City to queue

[hanumang]

Carla Guigino was topless in Sin City, and she had a much smaller part in that than in Entourage.

Yeah, but the nudity suited the role (and the tone of that portion of the film), not to mention that it was for Robert Rodriguez who, with Spy Kids, gave her her breakthrough role. (She talks about how, after Spy Kids, she gets offered all the 'hot mama' roles). What I'm saying is, that's a whole different relationship. At least, that's how she speaks on it in interviews.

Anyway, I'm not saying she's a prude, but I could see her having the clout to squash any producer's 'suggestion' that she show more skin if she didn't want to. I'm not sure Amanda flashing a boob would really be 'in-character' anyway.

Now, if she was playing a fan of Vince's...

[Bananfish]

Some t-ts cost more than others to see - that's life.

[smak]

I got the impression both Vince and E had read it before. Sometimes, scripts just circulate around Hollywood endlessly, waiting for someone to decide to go with it.
The deal was: make Matterhorn now, and I'll make Medellin with you after that. You saw what happened with the studio's promise to delay Aquaman 2. Let's assume "Matterhorn" flopped. Do you really think the producer would honor his deal with the now-less-bankable Vince to do a niche movie and lose more money? Sure, if "Matterhorn" was a hit, "Medellin" might get made (but maybe not-- maybe Vince would get railroaded into "Matterhorn 2" first...), but if they didn't think it was a good script, turning down the package deal was probably a good call.

Well, The Matrix was first written in 1993, and was all over Hollywood multiple times. Think Keanu and his people are glad they took a little time and read it, instead of thinking it's been languishing around Hollywood for 5 years, so it can't be good.

About Matterhorn. That's what contracts are for. If Vince does Matterhorn, simply get it put in his contract that if Medellin isn't filming by x date, then Vince is given the script for $1.

The producer obviously wanted Vince, and is positive it's going to be a mega mega hit. That's why it's easy to get anything you want with Medellin before the fact.

-smak-

[CTLesq]

Can you provide a source for that? Doug Ellin (creator & executive producer) says - in the special features of the Season 3, Part 1 DVDs - that they do not shoot any coverage (or clean takes) for future 'basic cable' syndication. For what it's worth, he also vehemently denies doing any product placement on the show. So who knows...

Given the prevelance of all the Bud Light these clowns drink I think we would both agree that he is full of you know what.

I don't have a source for it. My recollection was somewhere on this forum. I know two things. (1) I am not smart enough to have dreamed that up myself; and (2) when was the last time there was any nudity on the show?

I'm not sure if that's such a good example. Virtually all the women who've appeared naked or topless in Entourage are - as either extras or actresses with limited resumes - basically women without the power to get a no-nudity clause in their contract. I don't think Carla Guigino falls into that category.

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe a quasi main character is a bad choice. However, I stand by the point. Nudity in this show has plummeted relative to earlier seasons. And had this been in the first season they would have found someone to have been topless in that tub.

This show is getting VERY bland. There is nothing at risk. Plotlines are truncated (Ari vs. Malcolm McDowell). And the nudity and prevelance (but for that one park episode) of hot women is nonsensically absent.

Not to toot my own horn but relative to this show, as a single guy in Manhattan, I am running Sodom and Gomorrah out of my aparment. And while I do well I don't have their money, looks or well placed friends.

Maybe I just rock and the show sucks? :D

[hanumang]

Maybe a quasi main character is a bad choice. However, I stand by the point. Nudity in this show has plummeted relative to earlier seasons. And had this been in the first season they would have found someone to have been topless in that tub.

Oh, your definitely point stands. Vince has mentioned "Jewelry Shop Girl" a few times since the start of Season 3 (if memory serves) yet we haven't see any action. Very far removed from the first season, indeed.