The Sopranos: "Kennedy and Heidi" OAD: 5-13-2007 *spoilers* [Text View]

SoupMan

05-13-2007, 10:00 PM

I guess Chrissy aint gonna be snitchin'.

I think Chris just wanted Tony to get him away from the scene because he'd chemical test dirty. He first asked him to help him out (which I also thought was going to mean pose as the driver, but quickly dismissed that thought), then asked him to call a taxi to the hospital. Baldwin was at the funeral. Him and Tony exchanged nods.

Paperboy2003

05-13-2007, 10:47 PM

Hey St. Claires in Denville (the hospital they sent Tony to) is the town over from where I live and by the way, it isn't on the way home from NYC to where Tony lives.

Good episode.....terrible ending though...the whole Vegas trip seemed contrived

unixadm

05-13-2007, 10:49 PM

Wow...I'm surprised there aren't more posts!

To answer the question, Christopher told Tony that he would fail a drug test...he wanted Tony to pull him out of the driver's seat and swap place with him. He definintely didn't want Tony to kill him.

Tony, on the other hand, still held a grudge because of the "Cleaver" movie....I think he felt that Christopher overstepped the line when he made that and subconsciencley accused Tony of sleeping with Aidriana. That along with the fact that he was high again, was the catylist that caused him to finish the job and kill Christopher.

As far as Daniel Baldwin...he was at the funeral. It was a brief shot....he gave a nod to Tony and vise-versa.

What the heck is up with Paulie? Christopher and his mother both die and he has to schedule the wake the same night? I think he could have waited one night. My guess is that he did it on purpose thinking that more people would remain at his mother's wake than Christopher's. Did he reallly think that more people would show up for an old woman's wake who died in a retirement home than a young man's wake who suddenly died in a car wreck?

I thought the rest of the show kind of dragged a bit....yeah, they are setting up the big Phil vs Tony finale....but they could have done more with it.

I'm confused by AJ....he seemed to enjoy harassing the bicyclist that got hit, but then gets depressed again. I guess they are making him out as his father's son with worse issues.

Only 3 more left.....it will be interesting

terpfan1980

05-13-2007, 10:53 PM

Wow...I'm surprised there aren't more posts!

{snip}

Only 3 more left.....it will be interesting

With the Survivor finale, I suspect people were multitasking and want to go back to watch the episode again or haven't watched it at all yet.

On the only 3 more left, there's still a chance of some movies (if they put enough money on the table) but yeah, only 3 episodes (in the series run) left.

unixadm

05-13-2007, 11:23 PM

Crazy thing happened.....we went to watch delayed.....started about 9:20...and I noticed TWO listings in my now playing list for this episode...meaing that my TiVo rebooted while recording :(

The first part was the first 6 mintutes, then after the reboot, it started recording from 14 minutes in.

We watched the first 6 minutes....got to the point of Tony and Phil arguing about the asbestos and the 25%.....then it cut off. We started the next segment and it was Carmella in bed answering the phone....then i heard Tony say that there was an accident and Christopher was dead :eek: !!!

I immediately paused and flipped around to my other TiVos....luckily, my other HR10-250 was on HBO, so I hit record and we watched again from the beginning.

Wow...what a time to reboot! If I didn't have the other TiVo on the channel, I wouldn't have watched the rest and would have had it record on the next time it aired.

Glad I got lucky!

unixadm

05-14-2007, 12:45 AM

Hey St. Claires in Denville (the hospital they sent Tony to) is the town over from where I live and by the way, it isn't on the way home from NYC to where Tony lives.

That is where both my sons were born. Did they show the outside of the hospital, or was it just mentioned? I totallly missed any reference to St. Claires.

Philosofy

05-14-2007, 01:25 AM

That is where both my sons were born. Did they show the outside of the hospital, or was it just mentioned? I totallly missed any reference to St. Claires.

When I was an EMT in Boonton, that's where we took people. Its where they took Christopher and Tony (and Karen Anne Quinlin, IIRC), but they didn't show the outside. What was the road they were on? The only reservoir near there is Boonton, and I can't think of any place they could have crashed like that without landing in the Rockaway river.

TeighVaux

05-14-2007, 01:59 AM

What the heck is up with Paulie? Christopher and his mother both die and he has to schedule the wake the same night? I think he could have waited one night. My guess is that he did it on purpose thinking that more people would remain at his mother's wake than Christopher's. Did he reallly think that more people would show up for an old woman's wake who died in a retirement home than a young man's wake who suddenly died in a car wreck?

There has been more emphasis this season on Paulie's lack of "social intelligence". I think he really did think his mother's wake would get a big turnout, more out of respect for Paulie than his mother. It seemed as if Paulie's mother died two days later, so I was unsure why the wake would even be the same night.

In the final scene, I heard "I did it."

jschuur

05-14-2007, 02:42 AM

When Phil said he didn't have everything he wanted 'yet' on the phone with Tony, did anyone else think he might be planning a power play for the New Jersey territory as well?

smickola

05-14-2007, 05:56 AM

Mr. Soze

05-14-2007, 07:00 AM

I am beginning to wish someone would put ME out of my misery with this show.
Great start but then pffft.

The Vegas chick was nice though. The other thought that came to me was the setting sun
flashing was like the lighthouse in the dream/coma sequence.

ADG

05-14-2007, 07:53 AM

When Tony yelled, "I did it" at the end, was he exhulting over the fact that he'd solved one of his biggest problems, and possibly ended the reason for his run of bad luck - or was he confessing? I'm guessing a little of both...
I believe he was saying "I get it", meaning (while under the influence of peyote) he believed Chris was his "bad luck charm" and it was God's plan that he get rid of Chris to change his luck. Just before he started yelling that there was a flash of light that appeared to be a solar flare (or something similar) which Tony apparently took to be a sign from God.

TiVo'Brien

05-14-2007, 08:21 AM

I heard "I get it", too. Isn't the peyote ritual supposed to be a soul searching event where the meaning of your existence is sought? As such, it would mean Tony now "gets" why he's here. He understands his reason for existence. The flash of light at the end seemed to be the lighthouse beacon (a symbol of God's light and calling), the same one he kept seeing when he was Kevin Finnerty.

I do think that the reason Tony was so happy on the casino floor after winning so much at roulette was because his bad luck charm, Christopher, was gone and Tony's luck had returned. Going back, I think Christopher was present at all of Tony's bad gambling luck this season. Maybe Christopher was Tony's "cooler." Tony's powers of rationalization over his dark deeds never cease to disgust me.

I'm glad to see Chase didn't take the easy way out with AJ's storyline. It was never in AJ's character to become a college version of his father. Tony revealed AJ's true character after AJ's failed attempt at killing Uncle Jun. AJ's a good kid at heart, not cut out for killing and maiming. "Can't we all just get along" is more along AJ's character. I hope we get some resolution with the AJ storyline before the series ends.

The college chick was hot! :up: :)

Menarion

05-14-2007, 08:39 AM

I heard "I Did It!"

I'll have to listen to it again to make sure now.

Gregor

05-14-2007, 08:53 AM

I heard "I Did It!"

I'll have to listen to it again to make sure now.

I watch with closed captions, and Tony was yelling "I get it!" according to the caption.

TAsunder

05-14-2007, 09:03 AM

Didn't he say I did it at the roulette table?

Rob Helmerichs

05-14-2007, 09:20 AM

"Can't we all just get along" is more along AJ's character.
...although I interpreted that as the writers making sure we didn't think there was any actual depth to AJ's thoughts...he's a shallow, stupid person, but not evil.

jeff125va

05-14-2007, 09:29 AM

I didn't think AJ enjoyed beating up the bike guy this week, nor the kid with the acid the week before. I thought his session with the therapist (or analrapist or whatever) pretty much confirmed that he was just going along because of peer pressure, which I suspected with the gambler kid last week.

Were we supposed to recognize the Vegas chick from some earlier point in the series, or at least know what her connection to Christopher was? In any case, she was smokin' hot, as was the professor chick.

Unless they go somewhere with it in the remaining episodes, I don't see the point of the Paulie's mother vs. Christopher's wakes on the same evening. I think even Paulie would be reasonable enough to understand the difference in attendance, as unixadm pointed out, and it just seemed like common sense not to schedule them on the same night. On the other hand, I can see Paulie being offended, but unless it influences further events in the remaining episodes, it seems pointless to have that in the story since it's a bit of a stretch.

I definitely heard "I get it."

I'm not sure I get the significance of the girls in the other car in the accident. I realize that the episode titles are usually based on something peripheral in the episode, but it doesn't seem like they include something or someone just for the sake of the episode title. I can't see it having made a difference whether they went back or not, unless we assume that Tony was unconscious for a while, which seems unlikely because (unless I'm misremembering) Christopher probably wouldn't have lasted long anyway. I don't think they could have gotten all the way down that hill themselves or have gotten paramedics there soon enough to have prevented Tony from doing what he did.

Paperboy2003

05-14-2007, 10:06 AM

When I was an EMT in Boonton, that's where we took people. Its where they took Christopher and Tony (and Karen Anne Quinlin, IIRC), but they didn't show the outside. What was the road they were on? The only reservoir near there is Boonton, and I can't think of any place they could have crashed like that without landing in the Rockaway river.

It was something like 'Old Pumping Station Road' or something similar. Nothing like that in Denville and as I mentioned above, there's no reason to be in Denville if you're coming back to Bergen or Essex counties from NYC, but oh well....

I will say they filmed some of what I understood to be the finale at a gas station (called Raceway) on the corner or Rte 10 and 202 a few weeks ago. The rumour was that 'someone' gets killed there....

rimler

05-14-2007, 10:09 AM

I guess all the theories about Chris and how the show will end, such as him killing Tony, or taking over as the boss, or bringing them all down as a snitch, or quitting to try hollywood, etc etc, are out the window. Let's see, who had "gets smothered three shows from the end after a car accident because Tony has finally had enough of his drug problem"? :D

"I got 500 prayer cards!" Haha. Paulie cracks me up, if only because he's a greedy, self-centered SOB who manages to stand out amongst a bunch of greedy, self-centered SOB's.

...although I interpreted that as the writers making sure we didn't think there was any actual depth to AJ's thoughts...he's a shallow, stupid person, but not evil.

+1. No way that AJ will amount to anything in the time that the series has left. He's a spoiled, whiny little rich kid punk, with absolutely no guts, which is exactly how he's been portrayed the whole show.

rimler

05-14-2007, 10:12 AM

After Tony was talking with Melfie the first time, and then he snapped awake in the bed, did anyone else instantly think "it was all a dream?" My wife and I both did, and it ticked me off. I still wasn't sure until after Tony returned inside after throwing out the Cleaver cup, and I saw the bruises on his face.

SoupMan

05-14-2007, 10:16 AM

Yeah, that's what I thought for a few seconds, then noticed his face was still busted up while laying in bed.

Ace Deprave

05-14-2007, 10:37 AM

Didn't he say I did it at the roulette table?

He said "He's dead" after winning several times at the roulette table. He's associating his luck at the table with Chris being dead, as if Chris was to blame for his run of bad luck.

chavez

05-14-2007, 11:01 AM

He's associating his luck at the table with Chris being dead

maybe tony will go on a killing spree

pjenkins

05-14-2007, 11:27 AM

maybe tony will go on a killing spree

i think more killings are coming for sure. how many/who obv remains to be seen.

i really enjoyed this episode, as soon as the crash happened I figured Tony was going to off Christopher not based soley on what he said after the crash, but also on his view prior to the crash with the conversation / song selection.

i agree with the others who said Tony considers Christopher's death as getting the monkey of bad luck off his back, and I see him amping up the rest of the way to the finale with his troops against Phil, etc.

and AJ is a wuss, always was a wuss and will remain a wuss, I can't imagine the writers doing a 180 on him at this stage.

editivo

05-14-2007, 11:42 AM

Could someone post what was shown for previews for the next episode? I didn't get to see that part. Obviously use spoiler tags as I don't want to tick anyone off.

TiVo'Brien

05-14-2007, 12:03 PM

Whose Cadillac EXT were Tony and Christopher driving? I thought Tony had a white Escalade. Maybe Chris bought the EXT after his/Johnny Sac's Italian sports car got repo'd? I'm just trying to figure out if Tony was insulted by Chris saying the stereo had no balls and if that's what set Tony off.

terpfan1980

05-14-2007, 12:12 PM

I was trying to figure out why we didn't hear from On*Star after the crash :D

unixb0y

05-14-2007, 12:15 PM

I think he said "I get it" and the echo was "I did it"

SoupMan

05-14-2007, 12:15 PM

Chris has had the Escalade for a few episodes. He returned home from killing J.T. in it last week.

As for OnStar, back in one of the earlier seasons, Tony specifically made a comment about "ripping out the GPS" (or something similar) when he was speaking about a vehicle he was considering, so I doubt these guys are subscribers.

phox_mulder

05-14-2007, 12:46 PM

Escalade belonged to Chris, why else would there be a baby seat in the back.

I guess these new fangled baby seats are hard to put in and take out, why else would you leave it in there while running a mob errand.

As to hot stripper college student, it was bugging the heck out of me all night as to where I've seen her.

Carmen from The L Word, and yes, she was as hot if not hotter in that.
Also in "Teachers" which I never watched, and a couple episodes of Sleeper Cell.

She was also the "Woman in White" in the pilot of Supernatural.

Sarah Shahi.

phox

Mr. Soze

05-14-2007, 12:55 PM

Tony's powers of rationalization over his dark deeds never cease to disgust me.Er, he's a Mafia Don. ;)

JohnB1000

05-14-2007, 01:05 PM

I also thought the episode was kind of dull and attempted to cover it with Chris's death. The episode featured a number of really useless shots, long shots of people sitting their doing nothing, scenes driving in Vegas etc. Of course I'll stick with it to the end but it's gone really off the boil for me.

Paperboy2003

05-14-2007, 01:14 PM

BY the way, I think those were 5000 chips he was playing at roulette. If so, he just made A LOT of money.

jschuur

05-14-2007, 01:25 PM

Sarah Shahi.
I was wondering the same thing. She stars in NBC's new cop drama 'Life (http://www.thefutoncritic.com/devwatch.aspx?id=life)' in the fall too.

Jon J

05-14-2007, 01:45 PM

I've got to "review the tape" but I'm pretty sure it was (big) Paulie who was bemoaning the low turnout at his mother's wake when he said he was, "Prostate with grief."

;)

Added: As TiVo'Brien correctly points out, it was Tony.

TiVo'Brien

05-14-2007, 02:29 PM

I've got to "review the tape" but I'm pretty sure it was (big) Paulie who was bemoaning the low turnout at his mother's wake when he said he was, "Prostate with grief."

;)I think it was Tony, but yeah, those gaffs crack me up. :p

Carmine Lupertazzi is the worst at this. From HBO's website:
Tony refers to him as "Brainless the Second" and, truth be told, Carmine Lupertazzi, Jr. (AKA Little Carmine) is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Although he comes from the same background as the other wise guys, Little Carmine fancies himself a sophisticate, peppering his speech with big (and often mispronounced) words to demonstrate his worldliness.

markp99

05-14-2007, 02:34 PM

yeah, those gaffs crack me up

In the car just before the crash, Chris said, "...that's the flying ointment..."

Made me chuckle just a little. :)

Bananfish

05-14-2007, 03:11 PM

I'm glad to see Chase didn't take the easy way out with AJ's storyline. It was never in AJ's character to become a college version of his father. Tony revealed AJ's true character after AJ's failed attempt at killing Uncle Jun. AJ's a good kid at heart, not cut out for killing and maiming. "Can't we all just get along" is more along AJ's character. I hope we get some resolution with the AJ storyline before the series ends.

Don't forget that Blanca, a woman that AJ was engaged to and madly in love with, is a woman "of color." I think his sensitivities may have been genuinely upset at the racial overtones to the incident with the bicyclist, especially in retrospect.

AJ is someone whose sensitivities overcome his compulsion for violence, the opposite of Tony. They both have sensitivities and a compulsion for violence, just in different amounts.

And that was underscored by AJ quoting Rodney King of all people.

snowjay

05-14-2007, 03:40 PM

The afternoon DJ here had an interesting take on the episode...

That Chris is really alive. Since they didn't ride in the same ambulance together he thinks Chris spoke up in the ambulance and told them to get the feds and now he's going to rat Tony out.

angbear1985

05-14-2007, 03:43 PM

snowjay ... very interesting take on it! Could be!

Paperboy2003

05-14-2007, 04:02 PM

No chance for that to happen SnowJay and if it was, then it would be the most patethic way to bring the show to a conclusion.....Chase would effectively s--t on his reputation if that's the best he could come up with.

Just my .02

Turtleboy

05-14-2007, 04:13 PM

Chris's body was lying in the open coffin at the wake.

He's dead.

DUDE_NJX

05-14-2007, 04:15 PM

He must be pretty good at lying still in a casket then!

snowjay

05-14-2007, 05:50 PM

Well I didn't say I bought it but its what he thinks.

As for the casket... I'm pretty sure a dead body can be faked.

rimler

05-14-2007, 05:54 PM

Ok, this thread has officially jumped the shark.

pex

05-14-2007, 06:06 PM

Chris' mother-in-law mentioned that the cause of death was a hemothorax (caused by the airbags), and implied that it was probablly survivable.

Dark episode. Other than a couple of Paulie quips, little humor. Still though, in its dimished state, the best show on television. I'm gonna miss it.

I can't see it having made a difference whether they went back or not, unless we assume that Tony was unconscious for a while, which seems unlikely because (unless I'm misremembering) Christopher probably wouldn't have lasted long anyway.

busyba

05-14-2007, 06:45 PM

I'm not sure I get the significance of the girls in the other car in the accident.
Well, they had to do something to explain why the other car fled the scene, otherwise everyone would be all up Chase's ass over it.

I realize that the episode titles are usually based on something peripheral in the episode, but it doesn't seem like they include something or someone just for the sake of the episode title.
I think they wrote the scene first, then titled the episode second. Sometimes episode titles have some kind of hint as to the theme or plotline of the episode, and sometimes when an episode has a particularly explosive surprise or development, the writer will deliberately choose a title that doesn't hint at the surprise in any meaningful way at all.

IIRC, JMS would do that with B5 a lot. Some of the most significant "WHAM!" episodes would have the most innocuous titles.

snowjay

05-14-2007, 06:58 PM

busyba

05-14-2007, 07:00 PM

Serves him right for driving an SUV :D

bqmeister

05-14-2007, 07:54 PM

I think they wrote the scene first, then titled the episode second. Sometimes episode titles have some kind of hint as to the theme or plotline of the episode, and sometimes when an episode has a particularly explosive surprise or development, the writer will deliberately choose a title that doesn't hint at the surprise in any meaningful way at all.

But this episode lacked any particularly explosive surprise or development.

cheesesteak

05-14-2007, 08:02 PM

Man, they even made Chris' death boring. Other than the growing tension between Tony and Phil, this episode was a total snooze fest. I FF'd through the roulette scenes because I just didn't care.

One thing I won't miss when this show ends is Tony's lard ass improbably bedding every other gorgeous woman he sees - with his black socks on.

marksman

05-14-2007, 08:06 PM

I was wondering the same thing. She stars in NBC's new cop drama 'Life (http://www.thefutoncritic.com/devwatch.aspx?id=life)' in the fall too.

And she was Ms. Fort Worth and grew up in Euless.

How did I never meet her. :eek:

zalusky

05-14-2007, 08:07 PM

I would have to diagree. If he had just died in a car accident that would be one thing, but he was basically whacked by Tony. Essentially this is the other side of the Paulie situation where Tony decided to not whack Paulie even though he was shooting his mouth off.

busyba

05-14-2007, 09:16 PM

One thing I won't miss when this show ends is Tony's lard ass improbably bedding every other gorgeous woman he sees - with his black socks on.
No kidding. Bad enough they don't take the girl's top off, but they have to give us a clear shot of "Tony taint". :eek:

Where's the brain spork when you need it???

jradosh

05-15-2007, 06:26 AM

One thing I won't miss when this show ends is Tony's lard ass improbably bedding every other gorgeous woman he sees - with his black socks on.
What's so improbably about a man with money and power bedding women that like men with money and power? Especially a LasVegas strip-club druggie?

I liked the episode. We learned more about AJ's character and motivation, and the Christopher plot line was "resolved". Everyone complains about a lack of plot resolution. Now that one is resolved you're still complaining? :confused: ?

mitchb2

05-15-2007, 08:36 AM

Little Carmine fancies himself a sophisticate, peppering his speech with big (and often mispronounced) words to demonstrate his worldliness.

When Tony said "platitudes," my wife and I both laughed.

jeff125va

05-15-2007, 08:59 AM

Well, they had to do something to explain why the other car fled the scene, otherwise everyone would be all up Chase's ass over it.

I think they wrote the scene first, then titled the episode second. Sometimes episode titles have some kind of hint as to the theme or plotline of the episode, and sometimes when an episode has a particularly explosive surprise or development, the writer will deliberately choose a title that doesn't hint at the surprise in any meaningful way at all.

IIRC, JMS would do that with B5 a lot. Some of the most significant "WHAM!" episodes would have the most innocuous titles.
Ah, a much better take on it than I had, thanks.

jeff125va

05-15-2007, 09:01 AM

jeff125va

05-15-2007, 09:11 AM

BY the way, I think those were 5000 chips he was playing at roulette. If so, he just made A LOT of money.
You may know better than I do, but that seems awfully high. I assume you're not just going by color, right? Aren't the chips at the roulette tables different from the rest of the casino, since all the players get different color chips?

scottykempf

05-15-2007, 10:18 AM

"This is great. Its the Departed soundtrack. You got it?"

SCREEEECCHHHHHH CRASH!!!

angbear1985

05-15-2007, 10:19 AM

I am getting tired of the AJ storyline. He needs to grow up !

pdhenry

05-15-2007, 10:27 AM

I am getting tired of the AJ storyline. He needs to grow up !Maybe that's the whole point. here's this kid who is completely wrong for the mob life, and yet we see him slipping into it. even he knows it's a sucky way to turn out.

And thanks to this weeks ep we see how it turns out. Go back to the first season and notice how Christopher then resembes AJ now.

Marco

05-15-2007, 10:56 AM

What's so improbable about a man with money and power bedding women that like men with money and power? Especially a LasVegas strip-club druggie?

Very much agree. Plus she said his accent turned her on, right?

Tsiehta

05-15-2007, 11:03 AM

Maybe that's the whole point. here's this kid who is completely wrong for the mob life, and yet we see him slipping into it. even he knows it's a sucky way to turn out.

And thanks to this weeks ep we see how it turns out. Go back to the first season and notice how Christopher then resembes AJ now.

:up:

NinerK

05-15-2007, 11:31 AM

Ok, this thread has officially jumped the shark.

The term "jumped the shark" has .....well......jumped the shark, become dated, played out, etc.....

Anubys

05-15-2007, 11:48 AM

I though AJ was pretending to be depressed so he can get more prescriptions...he can make good money from that...

this might have been foreshadowed by the conversation with the girl on campus...

jeff125va

05-15-2007, 12:03 PM

Very much agree. Plus she said his accent turned her on, right?
Maybe, but I just seem to remember her saying it reminded her of Christopher.

Anubys

05-15-2007, 02:12 PM

Maybe, but I just seem to remember her saying it reminded her of Christopher.

My wife exclaimed "what does she see in this pig?"...to which I calmly responded "his wallet"...

strange how women sometimes just can't comprehend the hooker concept...they see people having sex and assume there must be "love" or some attraction (on the girl's side)...

Sopranoman

05-15-2007, 04:40 PM

He must be pretty good at lying still in a casket then!

I do NOT think this is the CASE -LOL.....However we all know that there are drugs to comatose you and you really never look like your self laying in a casket....

PS...Lets face it...Its a show and he was "dead" laying in a casket, yet he was alive right?

Dude_NJX comment is, well ah, wrong/right? :confused: :confused: :eek:

If CHASE convinced you he's dead, and its just a TV show, well I think the FEDS can do a little better, don't ya???? :cool:

DeDondeEs

05-15-2007, 07:20 PM

I think that Tony will end up getting credit for foiling a terror plot after giving the FBI guys the description and names of those middle eastern guys. I bet Paulie and Phil will be the next to go, and after that Tony will realize that he has a relatively clean slate without worry of someone coming after him and he and his family will be able to go into a witness protection program with a clean slate after helping the FBI.

The whole thing with Tony in Vegas made him realize that he just has to "let go" of it all to be happy. The sun making the beacon light flicker while in the desert, along with the roulette winnings were messages to him that he is getting closer to where he needs to be.
I also think the recurrence of the song Comfortably Numb help wrap up the whole story.

There is no pain, you are receding.
A distant ships smoke on the horizon.
You are only coming through in waves.
Your lips move but I cant hear what youre sayin.
When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse,
Out of the corner of my eye.
I turned to look but it was gone.
I cannot put my finger on it now.
The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb.

marksman

05-15-2007, 07:27 PM

You may know better than I do, but that seems awfully high. I assume you're not just going by color, right? Aren't the chips at the roulette tables different from the rest of the casino, since all the players get different color chips?

Yeah roulette chips are different. The might have a few denominations but the colors are for different players, since everyone places bets on the same table at the same time.

busyba

05-15-2007, 07:38 PM

Yeah roulette chips are different. The might have a few denominations but the colors are for different players, since everyone places bets on the same table at the same time.
The special roulette chips tend to be bright and solid one-color chips though. Those looked like regular chips (although I couldn't tell the denomination).

The special chips don't have different denominations, BTW. When the player buys-in, a color is assigned to the player, and a denomination is assigned to the color by putting a numbered marker on a designated spot near the dealer for the corresponding color. They refer to the marker when the player cashes out in order to know the exchange rate for the chips.

If the table is sparsely populated and people's bets aren't intermingling, they'll let you play with regular chips.

ThreeSoFar

05-15-2007, 07:49 PM

closed captioning said "I get it".

I put it on because I thought maybe it was "I did it".

Echo theory is interesting.

busyba

05-15-2007, 07:51 PM

Echo theory is interesting.
And it proves that Tony is not a duck. :D

jones07

05-15-2007, 07:52 PM

My wife exclaimed "what does she see in this pig?"...to which I calmly responded "his wallet"...

Money and or Power is very attractive to most woman. It's in their genetic code........primordial :cool:

DeDondeEs

05-15-2007, 07:54 PM

This means we are in for 4 more transfers of the presidency, and at least 8 more changes of "Acting Director" at CTU.

busyba

05-15-2007, 08:08 PM

This means we are in for 4 more transfers of the presidency, and at least 8 more changes of "Acting Director" at CTU.
Tony Soprano is going to head CTU? That would be a weird way to end the show.

Win Joy Jr

05-15-2007, 08:28 PM

Regarding AJ, he has a internal compass. Burning the toes off the kid who was into the bookies was ok, but the bike rider was an innocent, and that is what bothered him.

And if you think about it, it falls into line with the "code" about civilians are off limits. An example was in the storyline about Chris being ambushed by the two guys who were trying to impress Ritchie. The witnesses were not involved and referred as "civilians" when they were identified. Since the witness recanted, they were not eliminated.

Anyway, just a theory...

Rob64

05-15-2007, 10:05 PM

LOL...I finally got the title of the episode....My brother and I were trying to figure it out. After watching it the 2nd time those were the names of the two girls in the other car in the accident.

berfy

05-16-2007, 05:54 AM

I though AJ was pretending to be depressed so he can get more prescriptions...he can make good money from that...

this might have been foreshadowed by the conversation with the girl on campus...

There is not a single anti-depressant which is used as a street drug.

They just don't have the necessary kick. If you are not depressed they have no effect on your mood whatsoever.

Lee L

05-16-2007, 06:30 AM

I have to say, I never thought Chris would go out like that. He is dead though, I can;t see them pulling a switch on that, they showed us the coffin scene as a plot device to show him dead, kind of like in another show where they showed 2 people naked in bed - that is a plot device to show they slept together.

I expect Tony will go on a purge now.

CTLesq

05-16-2007, 06:40 AM

I expect Tony will go on a purge now.

Hasn't the only question of this final season been - what will the final body count be?

Anubys

05-16-2007, 07:26 AM

There is not a single anti-depressant which is used as a street drug.

They just don't have the necessary kick. If you are not depressed they have no effect on your mood whatsoever.

shows you how little I know about drugs...I stand corrected, then :o

Anubys

05-16-2007, 07:28 AM

Money and or Power is very attractive to most woman. It's in their genetic code........primordial :cool:

I would like to distance myself from this comment (since you made it in reference to something I posted)...what I meant is that this girl was a druggie and a hooker, and thus does not need to be attracted to Tony, only his wallet. I did not mean my comment as a general description of women in general...

super dave

05-16-2007, 08:10 AM

Hasn't the only question of this final season been - what will the final body count be?
And if there will be any one left to even make a movie...

jradosh

05-16-2007, 08:17 AM

And if there will be any one left to even make a movie...
The movie doesn't necessarily have to follow the linear timeline you know. ;) It could be set somewhere between Seasons 2 and 3 for example (in fact, I'd almost prefer that).

jeff125va

05-16-2007, 08:17 AM

The special roulette chips tend to be bright and solid one-color chips though. Those looked like regular chips (although I couldn't tell the denomination).

The special chips don't have different denominations, BTW. When the player buys-in, a color is assigned to the player, and a denomination is assigned to the color by putting a numbered marker on a designated spot near the dealer for the corresponding color. They refer to the marker when the player cashes out in order to know the exchange rate for the chips.

If the table is sparsely populated and people's bets aren't intermingling, they'll let you play with regular chips.
Thanks, I wasn't even legal the last time I played roulette. I've watched friends play and it definitely wasn't at a private high roller table. I think they bought in for $100 or $200 and got stacks of $1 chips. And it just didn't seem likely that even Tony would buy in for enough to get a stack of $5,000 roulette chips.

But I could see him throwing one regular casino $5,000 chip down on 24. So if whoever originally posted about this recognized them as $5,000 chips from Caesars, it may well have been correct. I don't recall anyone else having been at the table with Tony.

jeff125va

05-16-2007, 08:23 AM

This means we are in for 4 more transfers of the presidency, and at least 8 more changes of "Acting Director" at CTU.
I'm definitely one who appreciates subtle cross-TV series humor, but I'm really at a loss here.

jones07

05-16-2007, 08:48 AM

I would like to distance myself from this comment (since you made it in reference to something I posted)...what I meant is that this girl was a druggie and a hooker, and thus does not need to be attracted to Tony, only his wallet. I did not mean my comment as a general description of women in general...

Consider yourself distanced :)

Anubys

05-16-2007, 09:58 AM

Thanks, I wasn't even legal the last time I played roulette. I've watched friends play and it definitely wasn't at a private high roller table. I think they bought in for $100 or $200 and got stacks of $1 chips. And it just didn't seem likely that even Tony would buy in for enough to get a stack of $5,000 roulette chips.

they certainly don't send a private jet to fetch someone who bets with $1 chips!

he did give one of those chips as a tip...had it been a $5,000 chip, I'm pretty sure the dealer's reaction would have been much more pronounced than a simple "thank you"...

I also don't think the number of chips was right...he put down at least 5-6 chips on 24 and won, he should get around 5 x 35 chips back...he might have gotten a stack of 50 chips back...not enough payout...

ccooperev

05-16-2007, 10:11 AM

The term "jumped the shark" has .....well......jumped the shark, become dated, played out, etc.....

Really? Thats too bad, I just taught some one the etymology of that term yesterday...

cwoody222

05-16-2007, 10:12 AM

Good review of the episode here:

http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/05/sopranos_rewind_kennedy_and_he.html

jeff125va

05-16-2007, 10:17 AM

they certainly don't send a private jet to fetch someone who bets with $1 chips!

he did give one of those chips as a tip...had it been a $5,000 chip, I'm pretty sure the dealer's reaction would have been much more pronounced than a simple "thank you"...

I also don't think the number of chips was right...he put down at least 5-6 chips on 24 and won, he should get around 5 x 35 chips back...he might have gotten a stack of 50 chips back...not enough payout...
Certainly not, but if he were going to sit down and buy in for a stack of chips in a similar fashion, I'd think someone they sent a private jet for would buy in for... I dunno... 10, maybe 50 thousand? In which case I'd expect him to get a whole bunch of maybe $100 chips to spread around the table, as opposed to a relatively small number of $5,000 chips.

Which is why, after busyba's explanation, I think he probably walked up with a regular casino chip and put it on 24. And if that's the case, maybe he got paid with various denominations, which would explain both the number of chips he got paid with and the size of the tip. And it still might not have been a $5,000 chip in the first place, just theorizing on the basis that the person who suggested that it was knows what he's talking about.

jeff125va

05-16-2007, 10:19 AM

Really? Thats too bad, I just taught some one the etymology of that term yesterday...
Interestingly, given that I was about 10 years old at the time, I thought that was about the greatest moment in TV history. :D

TiVo'Brien

05-16-2007, 10:26 AM

Good review of the episode here:

http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/05/sopranos_rewind_kennedy_and_he.html

Very good. :up:

jradosh

05-16-2007, 10:29 AM

Good review of the episode here:

http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/05/sopranos_rewind_kennedy_and_he.html
I don't buy for a minute that the Las Vegas trip was "Tony in Hell" on the same level as his coma-induced fantasy was him in purgatory. :rolleyes:

ThreeSoFar

05-16-2007, 10:46 PM

Really? Thats too bad, I just taught some one the etymology of that term yesterday...
He disproves his own point by using the phrase, so no, not really.

Mars Rocket

05-16-2007, 11:42 PM

I now think the show will end with Tony the only one left alive.

dmdeane

05-19-2007, 02:42 AM

The term "jumped the shark" has .....well......jumped the shark, become dated, played out, etc........and is now back in popular demand as a retro-hipster nostalgic catch-phrase! :)

Obsolescence is passe. :cool:

Rob Helmerichs

05-19-2007, 06:51 AM

...and is now back in popular demand as a retro-hipster nostalgic catch-phrase!
Retro-hipster nostalgic catch-phrases have jumped the shark.

With "jumped the shark."

jeff125va

05-19-2007, 08:49 AM

Well the curiousity got to me. It wasn't easy to see the chips, but when he hit 24 the second time with a stack of chips on it, most of the chips he got back were a different color than the first ones he was playing with, and they were $100 chips. Since he hit so big, presumably they were a bigger denomination than the ones he started with.

EDIT: Checked it out again on the big screen. The chips he started with were definitely $25's.