View Full Version : Why Buy More Than An 80 Hour Unit??
I have had Tivo for the last 3 Yrs. I own a Humax Tivo W/Burner, and a S2DT Tivo.
Both are 80 Hours. But even before, only having 1 Unit, I never ran out of room!!
I am Disabled, and cannot do much more than sit around and watch TV, or play around on this Computer! So I watch a Ton of TV and don't sleep much either, so it probably Runs at least 20 Hours Daily!
But even with the 1 Unit, I even programmed as many programs into it that I thought I just *might like, but still never ran out of room. I Record at least 10 Programs each Day, none less than 1 Hour on each Unit now. (20 Hrs. per Day)
With the old Set Up, it Auto-Deleted as it ran low, but there was no Pre-Delete Folder which I hate! The Programs just stayed in the Lineup until either Watched, or they reached their Set Deletion time, which gave plenty of time to get to watch. It deleted the old as I watched new, and while Recording more.
I just cannot understand why anyone would need a 300 Hour Unit, unless they are away Working all week, have no TV to watch when gone, and watch 300 Hours of TV when they get Home! (But the Weekend only has 48 Hours!)
It just makes no sense. Even now that I have 2 Units, I split programs between Units, so 1 is not just sitting "idle" at all times. (Although they all Run 24/7 anyway!!)
**ALSO, What is the purpose of the "Standby" Mode?? It turns nothning off but the LED! All else is still running!!
*BUT OH RIGHT!! The LED may Cost you about 2 Cents a Year to keep lit, so now I understand why people place it on Standby!!
*******It is a totally useless Feature, just like many others!!
*I just Wish there were Competing Companies out there now, not next Year!!
Depends on quality you use for recording. I like High, see big improvement over Medium, but not much less than Best so it's a nice choice. That cuts down on time A LOT.
Also, I have one toddler with another wee one on the way, therefore a pregnant wife who lives on the couch in the evenings watching her stuff. I get maybe one night a week to watch television, not starting til about 10pm so I can't really catch up. I bang on the ceiling of my "240" hours pretty regularly, although it really only about 90 at the default of High Quality. A large portion of that is all the Oprah/Insider/E!/Bravo crap the wife records all day every day.
-DPF
RaleighDavid
05-03-2007, 02:26 PM
I have had Tivo for the last 3 Yrs. I own a Humax Tivo W/Burner, and a S2DT Tivo.
Both are 80 Hours. But even before, only having 1 Unit, I never ran out of room!!
I am Disabled, and cannot do much more than sit around and watch TV, or play around on this thing! So I watch a Ton of TV!
But even with the 1 Unit, I program as many programs into it as I may like, but never ran out of room. It deleted the old as I watched new, and while Recording more. I just cannot understand why anyone would need a 300 Hour Unit, unless they are away Working all week, have no TV to watch when gone, and watch 300 Hours of TV when they get Home! (But the Weekend only has 48 Hours!)
It just makes no sense. Now that I have 2 Units, I split them between Units so 1 is not just sitting idle at all times.
**ALSO, What is the purpose of the "Standby" Mode?? It turns nothning off but the LED! All else is still running.
BUT OH!! The LED may Cost you about 2 Cents a Year to have lit, so now I understand!!
*******It is a useless Feature!!
80 hours works for you because you are home to watch TV. There are times when I don't watch TV for 2-3 weeks but the recording PILE up.
TerpBE
05-03-2007, 02:35 PM
- An "80 hour" Tivo only has about 26 hours at best quality.
- When you get premium channels, it's nice to build a small movie library of things that you may not watch for a few weeks or months.
- It's nice to have a few shows available that you may only occasionally watch if you decide to see them later. e.g, you may record letterman, conan, local news, and the today show, which you might not usually watch, but if you hear the next day that something good was on, you want the option to see it.
MikeMar
05-03-2007, 02:36 PM
It does help a lot having a large one.
I saved up all the Romes to watch at once, and we still have all the Dirts on there, and i am saving a few concerts on.
it adds up like others said.
when i watching a lot of tv a few years ago, i had a 40 hour one on the 2nd highest setting and that was fine.
sommerfeld
05-03-2007, 02:45 PM
I just cannot understand why anyone would need a 300 hour unit, unless they are away working all week, have no TV to watch when gone, and watch 300 hours of TV when they get home! (But the weekend only has 48 hours!)
A few ideas:
0) uneven/bursty workloads. I played in a pit orchestra at the beginning of March and had no time to watch any TV for three weeks, so a big backlog built up that I reduced later.
1) don't actually watch everything that was recorded, but want to "taste" it before deleting.
("Oh, yeah, I do remember that L&O episode.. <delete>"
2) archiving shows you might want to watch again years later.
3) extended vacations or business trips (many weeks!)
4) a tendency to get months behind on series and then catch up on the ones you care about.
5) some sports are best watched in fast-forward.
JimSpence
05-03-2007, 03:03 PM
Standby allows the RF input signal to pass through to the TV. This so that people with RF only TVs can watch live TV and record at the same time.
JimSpence - Standby allows the RF input signal to pass through to the TV. This so that people with RF only TVs can watch live TV and record at the same time.
I have no idea what you own, but on Both of my Units, The RF Signal goes through the machine even if unplugged!! Go place your Unit on Standby. Then listen close. The H/D Runs 24/7 in Standby or not.
It does help a lot having a large one.
I saved up all the Romes to watch at once, and we still have all the Dirts on there, and i am saving a few concerts on.
it adds up like others said.
when i watching a lot of tv a few years ago, i had a 40 hour one on the 2nd highest setting and that was fine.
OK, then why not just go out and purchase the largest Hard Drive you can Find, Add a Tuner, and keep every Program you Record!
(That is why they make Burners!)
WhiskeyTango
05-03-2007, 03:12 PM
I had an 80 hr unit until this past Christmas, now I'm up to about 196 hrs on High which is almost always full or close to it. I only get to watch about 3-4 hours a night and record at least that much, usually more, every day. I have several seasons of a couple of shows that I've caught in repeats (Amazing Race, both Stargates). I didn't really realize what the big deal was either until I got my new HDD. I can record a lot more shows that look interesting, but I might have otherwise skipped over. I still have Dexter and the last seasons of Sleeper Cell and Weeds that I burned onto disks that I still haven't gotten to yet.
BTW, what features on Tivo do you think are useless?...now that you've had Standby explained to you.
MikeMar
05-03-2007, 03:15 PM
OK, then why not just go out and purchase the largest Hard Drive you can Find, Add a Tuner, and keep every Program you Record!
(That is why they make Burners!)
I have an external hard drive i dump a bunch of shows to via tivo to go
It's a lot easier to keep shows on the tivo though to watch. and cheap enough to pop a 250 gig or whatever hard drive right IN the tivo. Don't have to worry about transfering stuff or whatever.
Like others have said, I can take off somewhere for a month and not have to worry about missing any shows or whatever.
Why do people rip their music cd's to put on their computer, they can just pop different cd's in.
ZeoTiVo
05-03-2007, 03:38 PM
With the old Set Up, it Auto-Deleted as it ran low, but there was no Pre-Delete Folder which I hate! The Programs just stayed in the Lineup until either Watched, or they reached their Set Deletion time, which gave plenty of time to get to watch.
it is not a pre delete folder at all. it is truly just a recently deleted - if the show is deleted for the reasons of user action or a Keep at most setting then there may still be room on the drive andthe show can be found in recently deleted - great if you accidently delete something.
if the oldest show is deleted for lack of hard drive space - then it is gone within moments as the new recording overwrites the just opened up space.
so only user actionor a usersetting of Keep at most will place a show in recent;ly deleted before its set deletion time.
I have two DT units I placed large drives in so I can do things like keep all the American Idols for a season as we like to go back and compare earlier efforts to the latest efforts. I record a lot of sci fi movies I just keep on the TiVo for those rainy days that just watching a movie is ideal for. I also like to record all the new series and then decide if i will keep them or not after maybe piling up 3 or 4 episodes. this is particularily good for the FOX network which tends to cancelshows after 4 episodes or so. I wait and do not get invested until I know it is worth it
Glad to hear your 80 hour units keep you in TV happiness - my mileage varies and I see no reason for you to be concerned about that ;)
TiVo Troll
05-03-2007, 04:01 PM
I have no idea what you own, but on Both of my Units, The RF Signal goes through the machine even if unplugged!!...
Huh?
MikeMar
05-03-2007, 04:05 PM
Huh?
if you have cable going into the tivo then out the other end, the tivo can be unplugged and it still passes it through. Obviously it won't record.
ZeoTiVo
05-03-2007, 04:16 PM
if you have cable going into the tivo then out the other end, the tivo can be unplugged and it still passes it through. Obviously it won't record.
Plus I think the RS TX20 or 60 (ToshiVo DVD burner unit does pass through in nay mode when plugged in. Never tried it with a DT
TiVo Troll
05-03-2007, 04:36 PM
I have had Tivo for the last 3 Yrs. I own a Humax Tivo W/Burner, and a S2DT Tivo.
Both are 80 Hours. But even before, only having 1 Unit, I never ran out of room!!
I am Disabled, and cannot do much more than sit around and watch TV, or play around on this Computer! So I watch a Ton of TV and don't sleep much either, so it probably Runs at least 20 Hours Daily!
But even with the 1 Unit, I even programmed as many programs into it that I thought I just *might like, but still never ran out of room. I Record at least 10 Programs each Day, none less than 1 Hour on each Unit now. (20 Hrs. per Day)
With the old Set Up, it Auto-Deleted as it ran low, but there was no Pre-Delete Folder which I hate! The Programs just stayed in the Lineup until either Watched, or they reached their Set Deletion time, which gave plenty of time to get to watch. It deleted the old as I watched new, and while Recording more.
I just cannot understand why anyone would need a 300 Hour Unit, unless they are away Working all week, have no TV to watch when gone, and watch 300 Hours of TV when they get Home! (But the Weekend only has 48 Hours!)
It just makes no sense. Even now that I have 2 Units, I split programs between Units, so 1 is not just sitting "idle" at all times. (Although they all Run 24/7 anyway!!)
**ALSO, What is the purpose of the "Standby" Mode?? It turns nothning off but the LED! All else is still running!!
*BUT OH RIGHT!! The LED may Cost you about 2 Cents a Year to keep lit, so now I understand why people place it on Standby!!
*******It is a totally useless Feature, just like many others!!
*I just Wish there were Competing Companies out there now, not next Year!!
TiVo's "Standby" is a quick way to select a TV's input when configured on a preprogrammed remote without having to go through TiVo Central.
TV isn't overly important for me and often I just let recorded programs pile up without watching. An "80 hour" HD holds 27 hours at "high" quality. Having more than 27 hrs. of recorded programs available at any given time would just go to waste.
More realistically and futuristically, having all programming available in high quality from the internet for $1 an hour as VOD, and eliminating satellite, cable, and OTA TV altogether would be better than having a HD of any size. But then there'd be no need for TiVo, although a DVD-recorder would still be useful if it could burn one copy of a VOD'd program for another $1 an hour.
But different strokes for different folks!
TiVo Troll
05-03-2007, 04:42 PM
if you have cable going into the tivo then out the other end, the tivo can be unplugged and it still passes it through. Obviously it won't record.
Yeah; but what good does that do? 'Standby' can actually be useful!
BTW, when a signal is 'passed through' an electronics component it usually loses more than the 3.5 DB it loses when split in two.
MikeMar
05-03-2007, 04:46 PM
Yeah; but what good does that do? 'Standby' can actually be useful!
BTW, when a signal is 'passed through' an electronics component it usually loses more than the 3.5 DB it loses when split in two.
not saying it does anything, just that it CAN be done.
allan
05-03-2007, 04:53 PM
With my previous Tivos, I often had shows deleted before I got the chance to watch them. About a month ago, I bought a Weakness super-sized 270 hour Tivo, and except for Keep at Most deletions, it hasn't deleted a single show since I plugged it in (on Apr 2). Plus, I have over 200 Suggestions to choose from. Granted, that's really bigger than I need, but I'd rather have a Tivo that's too big than one that's too small (I really have to change my sig :) )
TivoZorro
05-03-2007, 04:58 PM
I am happy that 80 hours is enough for you but don't try to tell me how to lead my life. I wish I had days that you have when I could watch TV 24/7 but alas it is not to be. I had to work late last night because I have a job that when things have to get done they have to get done.
I have a 700 hour Tivo that has 533 hours of recorded shows saved on it. I have whole seasons of shows waiting to be watched.
I have two jobs, one is home based but is time sensitive and things have to be done when they come in. The other is pet sitting which means when I get a call I have to go whether it is for a day or three weeks.
And I'm sick and tired of being told I watch too much TV. I don't tell you or anybody else what they can do for hobbies so don't be telling me what to do. How I use my Tivo is my own busines.
Second, on the Standby issue, I have guests that come in and take over my bedroom. I put the Tivo on Standby and hide the remote so they can't be messing over with it and delete shows. But they can still watch TV because the RF signal is passed through.
Stanley Rohner
05-03-2007, 07:01 PM
I'm not trying to be insensitive to your situation but....
Some people have jobs.
Some people sleep more than 4 hours a night.
Some people have spouses, or a GF/BF.
Some people have other responsibilities outside of their home and work place.
Some people have kids.
ZeoTiVo
05-03-2007, 07:05 PM
Second, on the Standby issue, I have guests that come in and take over my bedroom. I put the Tivo on Standby and hide the remote so they can't be messing over with it and delete shows. But they can still watch TV because the RF signal is passed through.
they could still accidently delete shows but why not put the TiVo into Kid Zone and let them watch shows. That way they can enjoy prerecorded shows but could not mess up the TiVo settings.
mrjam2jab
05-03-2007, 07:06 PM
I have a 40 hour and a 80 hour...and right now 750 hr (http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4882780?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG) is looking really good.... :)
ZeoTiVo
05-03-2007, 07:06 PM
I'm not trying to be insensitive to your situation but....
Some people have jobs.
Some people sleep more than 4 hours a night.
Some people have spouses, or a GF/BF.
Some people have other responsibilities outside of their home and work place.
Some people have kids.
some people have bigger hard drives than other people * :D
* you have to see the new TiVo commercial on guys around a barbecue grill to get the joke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1iM4ZUt3Ms
TiVo Troll
05-03-2007, 08:27 PM
I'm not trying to be insensitive to your situation but....
Some people have jobs.
Some people sleep more than 4 hours a night.
Some people have spouses, or a GF/BF.
Some people have other responsibilities outside of their home and work place.
Some people have kids.
Some people (and not just the poster quoted) appear to be WAY too sensitive and defensive about their TV watching!
Since AFP1 began the thread with his opinion of TiVo's capacity and wasn't criticizing anybody personally but was just making a general comment, it appears that some TiVo Community posters are either unusually defensive of their TV watching habits or have another (hidden) agenda when they reply to this thread.
Apparently another requirement for some posters in the "TiVo Community" is that anyone who posts must have (and express) perfect empathy for everybody who uses TiVo. I'll definitely remember that when posting in "Troll Mode".
Hey, TiVo is very good but still not what every TV watcher needs! (I wish TiVo would find it profitable to offer 'TiVo Basic' with no term commitment and a 7 day EPG for $6.95 monthly!)
CrashHD
05-03-2007, 08:49 PM
Several reasons to have more than 80 hours:
1) I pick through the movie channels from time to time and record several movies. Then when I have an evening in with the ol' lady, we check the movies folder before resorting to pay-per-view. Some months I've saved more from the PPV's foregone than I spent on the movie channels.
2) Some shows will have a season long story arc. I like to save an entire season, for the times I when a scene or two in the current episode make me want to revisit an earlier one. That's about 20 hours per season pass, right there.
3) Just the plain ol, juvenile, testosterone-driven, "Mine's bigger than yours". If you're gonna be in a pissing contest, you may as well be in it to win, right :D ?
JimSpence
05-03-2007, 09:20 PM
JimSpence - Standby allows the RF input signal to pass through to the TV. This so that people with RF only TVs can watch live TV and record at the same time.
I have no idea what you own, but on Both of my Units, The RF Signal goes through the machine even if unplugged!! Go place your Unit on Standby. Then listen close. The H/D Runs 24/7 in Standby or not.You asked what Standby was for, so I answered the question. :)
atmuscarella
05-04-2007, 06:56 AM
Well lets see all of my hard drives are full right now and I have about 6 hours of TV I would like to record tonight that will require I delete something before any of it can be recorded. I mostly record OTA networks and the Scifi channel so I like to save up stuff for when they are playing reruns. I also like to save some series (like 24) and watch the whole series over a few weeks instead of throughout the year. Most days I only have time to watch 2 1 hour shows so right now I have lots of stuff saved but by next fall most of it will be gone.
How large of a hard drive someone "needs" will depend on their lifestyle - I don't see any right or wrong here.
Thanks,
WhiskeyTango
05-04-2007, 11:15 AM
Some people (and not just the poster quoted) appear to be WAY too sensitive and defensive about their TV watching!
Since AFP1 began the thread with his opinion of TiVo's capacity and wasn't criticizing anybody personally but was just making a general comment, it appears that some TiVo Community posters are either unusually defensive of their TV watching habits or have another (hidden) agenda when they reply to this thread.
I don't think it's people TV watching that they are defensive about but rather the inference in the OP that it's senseless to spend the money and to own a hard drive larger than 80 hrs--that there is inherently something wrong with you if you do. It's no different than if I were to tell someone that their ownership of a nice car is pointless and doesn't make any sense when they can ride around in an old Ford Tempo (no offense to Tempo owners). At that point, questioning ones decisions and choices, the post does become a personal attack.
Just curious, what kind of agenda would someone have for posting in this thread? :confused:
GoHokies!
05-04-2007, 12:52 PM
Just curious, what kind of agenda would someone have for posting in this thread? :confused:We're all hard drive salesmen. ;)
Seriously, the OP is a little off base with this and the other thread that he started, although they have managed to kick off some discussion...
They posting style is really familliar, and I can't quite place it - methinks that the OP may be living under a bridge, if you get my drift.
TiVo Troll
05-04-2007, 04:50 PM
I don't think it's people TV watching that they are defensive about but rather the inference in the OP that it's senseless to spend the money and to own a hard drive larger than 80 hrs--that there is inherently something wrong with you if you do. It's no different than if I were to tell someone that their ownership of a nice car is pointless and doesn't make any sense when they can ride around in an old Ford Tempo (no offense to Tempo owners). At that point, questioning ones decisions and choices, the post does become a personal attack.
Just curious, what kind of agenda would someone have for posting in this thread? :confused:
The OP was critical of TiVo. Some Forum TiVofanatics can't let that pass unmolested. What's with the TiVo attitude that users are either complete idiots or computer geeks?
Why doesn't TiVo's offer HD upgrades as just another sales option? Why should a customer have to go elsewhere to modify a TiVo, or instead, fuss with it themselves?
LG's discontinued LRM-519 already has the capability of using an external HD of any size available merely by plugging it in. I've got one and basically use it for any material which I want to keep indefinitely without transferring to DVD. (The LRM-519 is also a DVD recorder.) TiVo's S3 promises to eventually be capable of storage on an external eSATA drive. That'll be neat!
Apparently such external HD's won't work when connected to DVR's other than the one they're "married" to. But will an S3 have the capability of "polygamy" or be limited only to "serial monogamy" with respect to outboard HD's?
Replacing HD's with larger ones seemed a viable option to me at one time. And the first time or two it was even interesting to poke around inside a TiVo box. But now it's a drag.
To add insult to injury a couple of the large HD's eventually failed. Why lose a large number of recordings on an "upgraded" HD?
ZeoTiVo
05-04-2007, 06:00 PM
The OP was critical of TiVo. Some Forum TiVofanatics can't let that pass unmolested. What's with the TiVo attitude that users are either complete idiots or computer geeks?
Why doesn't TiVo's offer HD upgrades as just another sales option? Why should a customer have to go elsewhere to modify a TiVo, or instead, fuss with it themselves?
NO - the OP was critical of people who put larger hard drives in their own TiVo DVRs. big difference and key point is critical of those who did. No, hey for me I just need the stock drive because... - but a full blown - anyone who puts in a larger drive is just wrong.
as to TiVo selling the HD upgrades - nice revenue stream but they made the DVR cheaply with an unshilded power supply. First person who got zapped after opening the box upon directions from TiVo would suck up all the profit from selling HD upgrades and then some. TiVo has to saty in the world of "DO NOT OPEN THE BOX"
CrashHD
05-04-2007, 06:30 PM
as to TiVo selling the HD upgrades - nice revenue stream but they made the DVR cheaply with an unshilded power supply. First person who got zapped after opening the box upon directions from TiVo would suck up all the profit from selling HD upgrades and then some. TiVo has to saty in the world of "DO NOT OPEN THE BOX"
If tivo sold an "hard drive upgrade kit", it would not be any different than weaknees. To my knowledge weaknees has not been sued by an electrocuted idiot yet.
On the other hand, if tivo had such an offering, it would probably reach some joe sixpacks who would say, "weakneewho?"
ZeoTiVo
05-04-2007, 06:35 PM
If tivo sold an "hard drive upgrade kit", it would not be any different than weaknees. To my knowledge weaknees has not been sued by an electrocuted idiot yet.
On the other hand, if tivo had such an offering, it would probably reach some joe sixpacks who would say, "weakneewho?"
Weaknees did not build the TiVo and provide a caution that the user opens a TiVo at their own risk.
TiVo built the box and says do not open it.
Both are covered by neither being directly involved
CharlesH
05-04-2007, 07:44 PM
To my knowledge weaknees has not been sued by an electrocuted idiot yet.And they are not likely to be. By their survivors, possibly, but not the electrocuted idiot. :D
TiVo Troll
05-04-2007, 10:31 PM
NO - the OP was critical of people who put larger hard drives in their own TiVo DVRs. big difference and key point is critical of those who did. No, hey for me I just need the stock drive because... - but a full blown - anyone who puts in a larger drive is just wrong.
Perhaps a bit of both:
It just makes no sense.
...
I just Wish there were Competing Companies out there now, not next Year!!
Why doesn't TiVo's offer HD upgrades as just another sales option? Why should a customer have to go elsewhere to modify a TiVo, or instead, fuss with it themselves?
as to TiVo selling the HD upgrades - nice revenue stream but they made the DVR cheaply with an unshilded power supply. First person who got zapped after opening the box upon directions from TiVo would suck up all the profit from selling HD upgrades and then some. TiVo has to saty in the world of "DO NOT OPEN THE BOX"
Why do you say that?
TiVo sells TiVos. They could install and sell larger hard drives as an option when a TiVo is purchased from the TiVo website. Of course they would prestock TiVo's with larger hard drives based on prior sales demand. They could offer TiVos of various capacities (they already do to some extent) through retail outlets as well.
TiVo's repair policy is quite reasonable under their current rules. When a TiVo is out of warranty they'll replace the stock HD for $150, regardless of whether the box has been opened or not.
Why not offer to install an optional larger HD for a fee which makes a profit but isn't exorbitant? Why not even consider pre-approving and licensing WeaKnees and other upgrade vendors as official TiVo repair facilities?
Uncle Briggs
05-05-2007, 01:30 AM
You're asking the wrong guy. I have two S2 single tuner models and one S2DT with over 2000 hours available between them.
supasta
05-05-2007, 01:42 AM
Upgraded DT and a stock DT here. One needed upgrading, the other didn't. ;)
I love the option to be able to upgrade - for exactly the reasons you stated. I work, have other things to do besides TV, etc, etc - and there's the advantage, to be able to keep things around longer without being deleted to be able to watch things whenever I want.
TiVo Troll
05-05-2007, 01:26 PM
TiVo's S3 promises to eventually be capable of storage on an external eSATA drive. That'll be neat!
S3 eSATA storage is available (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=350491) now!
Apparently such external HD's won't work when connected to DVR's other than the one they're "married" to. But will an S3 have the capability of "polygamy" or be limited only to "serial monogamy" with respect to outboard HD's?
No polygamy; just serial monogamy (http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/04/how-to-use-your-tivo-series3-esata-port-to-add-an-external-driv/). Too bad!
Stanley Rohner
05-08-2007, 12:36 AM
The OP is the same person that wrote the thread about saving a TiVo recording to a DVD with a standalone DVD recorder like he'd just made the discovery of a lifetime.
:rolleyes:
Krosis
05-08-2007, 07:19 AM
Standby mode has three benefits for me:
1. (DirecTivo only) It stops the recording of the live buffers, reducing HD head movement.
2. Enables immediate recording of suggestions.
3. Prevents me from accidentally seeing something I don't want to see when I turn on the TV. (Prevents spoilers)
The OP is the same person that wrote the thread about saving a TiVo recording to a DVD with a standalone DVD recorder like he'd just made the discovery of a lifetime.
:rolleyes:
**No Opey, That was not even near the point I was trying to make!!
But being you are so Brilliant, you never realized the point I was making!
About a Month ago, when I first asked if the same scenario I described yesterday could possibly Work, I was told by about 5 of you "Experts" that it "cannot possibly be done"!! **WELL AS YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE DONE! And that was the only point I was making! Why you felt the need to reply I will never understand!
But since reading a few Posts over the past Month, I have realized that all of you "Self Appointed Experts", (IE:********s!) Always try to make everyone who doesn't actually "Sleep with their Tivos", look like they are total Fools! I was only trying to make a point with that Post to all of those who said it "cannot possibly be done!!" All the "Experts"!!
But now once again here, just like each time I have ever asked a simple question or made any statement on this Useless Forum, there always has to be at least 1 "Self Appointed Expert", just like yourself, who always tries to show the entire World just how "Incredibly Brilliant " they are!! Well I am Sorry I don't know as much about these things as some of you "Experts" do, but let's face facts, I also have a Life outside of Tivo, which it's very apparent none of you do! Otherwise you wouldn't have had the Time nor the Childish need to make useless, silly comments about Posts you really don't even understand!!
So, now I will just add you to my "Block Expert List" (Not that it will really matter, as I will never be writing here again!) I think I will just leave this Forum to all of you Tivoholes, and let you Debate Everything between yourselves!!
Why is it that so many here feel the need to show all how Self Important they are?? That's a question I would love answered! This Forum has more AH's than any other I have ever seen!! But then again, I don't usually communicate with the "White Tape on Black Framed Glasses" Types!
*Schmuck!
Perhaps a bit of both:
Why do you say that?
TiVo sells TiVos. They could install and sell larger hard drives as an option when a TiVo is purchased from the TiVo website. Of course they would prestock TiVo's with larger hard drives based on prior sales demand. They could offer TiVos of various capacities (they already do to some extent) through retail outlets as well.
TiVo's repair policy is quite reasonable under their current rules. When a TiVo is out of warranty they'll replace the stock HD for $150, regardless of whether the box has been opened or not.
Why not offer to install an optional larger HD for a fee which makes a profit but isn't exorbitant? Why not even consider pre-approving and licensing WeaKnees and other upgrade vendors as official TiVo repair facilities?
**ANOTHER IDIOT!!
**2 of the "Quotes" you Posted, *I never even made!!
You are only proving my theory that all of you Electronic Geeks have no Life other than Sleeping with your Tivos!
The OP was critical of TiVo. Some Forum TiVofanatics can't let that pass unmolested. What's with the TiVo attitude that users are either complete idiots or computer geeks?
Why doesn't TiVo's offer HD upgrades as just another sales option? Why should a customer have to go elsewhere to modify a TiVo, or instead, fuss with it themselves?
LG's discontinued LRM-519 already has the capability of using an external HD of any size available merely by plugging it in. I've got one and basically use it for any material which I want to keep indefinitely without transferring to DVD. (The LRM-519 is also a DVD recorder.) TiVo's S3 promises to eventually be capable of storage on an external eSATA drive. That'll be neat!
Apparently such external HD's won't work when connected to DVR's other than the one they're "married" to. But will an S3 have the capability of "polygamy" or be limited only to "serial monogamy" with respect to outboard HD's?
Replacing HD's with larger ones seemed a viable option to me at one time. And the first time or two it was even interesting to poke around inside a TiVo box. But now it's a drag.
To add insult to injury a couple of the large HD's eventually failed. Why lose a large number of recordings on an "upgraded" HD?
Oh Troll,
Now you have openned yourself up to a load of crap from all the "Experts" out there!! You have been around. You should know that if you don't totally agree with these people, they will only try to make you look like a fool!
Tivo has created a much more intense "Geek" than Computers ever did!
Standby mode has three benefits for me:
1. (DirecTivo only) It stops the recording of the live buffers, reducing HD head movement.
2. Enables immediate recording of suggestions.
3. Prevents me from accidentally seeing something I don't want to see when I turn on the TV. (Prevents spoilers)
Darn,
Those are really very important reasons for having a "Standby" feature!!
1 - I would Bet about a whole 10% of Tivo users own an S3, so they must "Stop those damn Buffers"! 2 - And how many Suggestions do you Record?? I would think that if you really wanted to watch any Show, you would have placed it in "Season Pass"? Plus, even if using a 300 Hour Unit, it would always be Full if you Recorded every Suggestion!
3 - And when you turn on any TV/Tivo, they are Auto-set on "Live TV" if you haven't used the Unit for about 5 Mins, so you can't "Accidently see something you don't want to"!
**Sorry, But a Weak Reply to a Weak Feature!!
Krosis
05-08-2007, 09:36 AM
Darn,
Those are really very important reasons for having a "Standby" feature!!
1 - I would Bet about a whole 10% of Tivo users own an S3, so they must "Stop those damn Buffers"! 2 - And how many Suggestions do you Record?? I would think that if you really wanted to watch any Show, you would have placed it in "Season Pass"? Plus, even if using a 300 Hour Unit, it would always be Full if you Recorded every Suggestion!
3 - And when you turn on any TV/Tivo, they are Auto-set on "Live TV" if you haven't used the Unit for about 5 Mins, so you can't "Accidently see something you don't want to"!
**Sorry, But a Weak Reply to a Weak Feature!!No, it's not. I do have a DTivo so stopping the live buffer is a significant savings to me. Head issues seem to be a significant cause of failures with HDs and the reduced wear is significant. I also do record a lot of suggestions, at least 25-35% (or more) of my recordings are suggestions. So once again, it's an important advantage to me. Finally, if I take my Tivo off standby it goes to the Tivo Central Menu, not live TV. If I simply turn off the TV then the Tivo will revert to live TV and that's what I will see when I turn on the TV. If I see the cop hauling away the butler in 'cuffs that can give away the ending!
You should consider that usage and viewpoints of others may be different than for yourself. I listed the advantages of standby for myself, and explicitly stated that they were my reasons. I did not mention the pass-through feature because I don't use that and it was mentioned in earlier posts.
When you provide assistance to others on this forum you should provide generic help and not help specifically designed to make others "like you". Explain the features and let the end user decide if they consider them advantageous or not.
TiVo Troll
05-08-2007, 10:09 AM
TiVo records the buffer, or Suggestions (unless turned off), or whatever is scheduled, in Standby mode.
'Standby' only affects TiVo's output. Pushing either "TiVo Central" or "Live TV" buttons brings TiVo out of Standby to either selected mode.
OLdDog
05-08-2007, 10:40 AM
TiVo records the buffer, or Suggestions (unless turned off), or whatever is scheduled, in Standby mode.
'Standby' only affects TiVo's output. Pushing either "TiVo Central" or "Live TV" buttons brings TiVo out of Standby to either selected mode.This is only mostly true. With a DTiVo the buffer stops recording when it is in standby.
While others have a use for standby I have never found it of any use except to get in the way when I am being less than attentive and accidentally select it from the menus. I NEVER watch live TV in fact I do not even know when most of the shows I do watch or on. They just automagically appear in my now playing list.
As far as wear on the heads or seek mechanics; heat is a much greater problem for disks. Extra effort spent to provide a cool environment for your DTiVo will do more to extend its life that religious use of standy ever could. and for other TiVos the savings of using standby is negligible.
Krosis
05-08-2007, 10:43 AM
TiVo records the buffer, or Suggestions (unless turned off), or whatever is scheduled, in Standby mode.Sigh. The buffer is not recorded in standby on DirecTV Tivos. AFP1 implies it's not recorded on S3s either, that I can't confirm or deny. I do know as an observed fact that my DTivo does not record the buffer in standby. I will repeat again for emphasis, Direct TV Tivos do not record the buffer in standby.
Get it?
Krosis
05-08-2007, 11:05 AM
As far as wear on the heads or seek mechanics; heat is a much greater problem for disks. Extra effort spent to provide a cool environment for your DTiVo will do more to extend its life that religious use of standy ever could. and for other TiVos the savings of using standby is negligible.For non-Direct TV units you are correct, except for the second two reasons I listed and the pass through feature.
You are correct that cooling is important as well, however HDs do generate more heat when in active use than when sitting idle but still spinning. This is easy enough to confirm, simply monitor your HD temp as it's sitting idle and then start copying large amounts of data to it. You will see the temperature start to rise.
As HDs age they can also develop problems seeking to particular tracks. These drives will still pass most diagnostics fine, their data surfaces are fine. They tend to slow down though as the drive spends more and more time seeking to specific tracks. This is why some older drives seem to get slower and slower. These drives can often be used for bulk data storage but perform very poorly as OS drives. I have a number of old drives like that. They work fine for bulk storage but will go slow as molasses if you try to run an OS off of them. Sitting idle verses constantly writing and seeking seems to extend the onset of such symptoms.
I often see people on this and other forums indicating that a HD suffers no more wear when in active use than when sitting idle. That is a myth though and very easily debunked.
ZeoTiVo
05-08-2007, 11:11 AM
can we ALL just talk about what TiVo features prove of value to us without having to label the other side as wrong for using their TiVo Differently*? I think it would make the forum much more useful myself :)
* of course there will be factual items that need to be worked out as to what the fact truly is.
ZeoTiVo
05-08-2007, 11:34 AM
I often see people on this and other forums indicating that a HD suffers no more wear when in active use than when sitting idle. That is a myth though and very easily debunked.
Google with its hundreds of thousands of Hard drives would disagree with that.
from engadget article on Google study (http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/18/massive-google-hard-drive-survey-turns-up-very-interesting-thing/)
"notable patterns showed that failure rates are indeed definitely correlated to drive manufacturer, model, and age; failure rates did not correspond to drive usage except in very young and old drives (i.e. heavy data "grinding" is not a significant factor in failure); and there is less correlation between drive temperature and failure rates than might have been expected, and drives that are cooled excessively actually fail more often than those running a little hot."
The only use I have found for stopping the Live recording buffer is to make TTG/MRV go faster. On my S2 models what I do is tune to a channel like 111 that I do not get a signal on. You see a blue screen telling you there is no signal and with nothing to read/write the hard drive stops that live buffer task and gives more resources to other tasks.
Krosis
05-08-2007, 11:46 AM
Google with its hundreds of thousands of Hard drives would disagree with that.
from engadget article on Google study (http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/18/massive-google-hard-drive-survey-turns-up-very-interesting-thing/) I've seen that study and giggle about it. It disagrees with itself!
Quote: "definitely correlated to drive manufacturer, model, and age; failure rates did not correspond to drive usage except in very young and old drives"
Er, they were saying what exactly? They say it doesn't correlate and then they say it does with younger and older drives. With younger drives you are most likely finding manufacturering defects and variances. With older drives, well they are older and more subject to failure when subjected to heavier use. I.E., usage level does affect an HDs lifetime. The studies results are not stated very well.
ZeoTiVo
05-08-2007, 11:58 AM
I've seen that study and giggle about it. It disagrees with itself!
Quote: "definitely correlated to drive manufacturer, model, and age; failure rates did not correspond to drive usage except in very young and old drives"
Er, they were saying what exactly? They say it doesn't correlate and then they say it does with younger and older drives. With younger drives you are most likely finding manufacturering defects and variances. With older drives, well they are older and more subject to failure when subjected to heavier use. I.E., usage level does affect an HDs lifetime. The studies results are not stated very well.
Now I have not studied the results in depth but I got from this part of the study that they were saying - really old drives, whether they had been data grinding all their life or not, were going to fail in greater numbers than drives closer to the median age.
So ok, if I have a TiVo with a 10 year old drive in it, then stopping the live buffer and recording on it less is likely to avoid an error happening.
but also if for that 10 years I had been letting the live buffer record it would not have made a significant difference in that drive reaching 10 years old.
ETA - no idea what an old drive's age would be - just picked 10
Stanley Rohner
05-08-2007, 01:12 PM
AFP1,
You seem to have a lot of anger to let out.
Maybe you should talk to a therapist.
Jonathan_S
05-08-2007, 01:39 PM
Quite possibly a smeek, since I haven't read every post in the thread.
I like having enough storage space that I can record shows faster than I watch them during the regular season and still have all the unwatched episodes to watch when the networks go to reruns over the winter holidays or the summer.
Also every couple years, I like having enough space to record the almost all the Olympic coverage, up to 35 hours a day (multiple simultaneous channels), to skim through for the sports I'm interested in. Without losing any other stored shows (except suggestions; don't care about those).
CrashHD
05-08-2007, 01:53 PM
And they are not likely to be. By their survivors, possibly, but not the electrocuted idiot. :D
Nice catch...I missed that one :D
I know people who say "electrocute" when in fact they mean "shocked my damn self". I guess I did it too. :o
It did prompt me to look up "electrocute" at dictionary.com, as I wondered if one is subjected to a non-fatal shock, if that qualifies as "electrocution".
e·lec·tro·cute (ĭ-lěk'trə-kyōōt') Pronunciation Key
tr.v. e·lec·tro·cut·ed, e·lec·tro·cut·ing, e·lec·tro·cutes
1. To kill with electricity: a worker who was electrocuted by a high-tension wire.
Sounds like electric+execute=electrocute?
classicsat
05-08-2007, 01:56 PM
TiVo sells TiVos. They could install and sell larger hard drives as an option when a TiVo is purchased from the TiVo website. Of course they would prestock TiVo's with larger hard drives based on prior sales demand. They could offer TiVos of various capacities (they already do to some extent) through retail outlets as well.
They cannot, practically.
Manufacturing a variety of capacities will add costs, in that they will have to have a line for each capacity, or at least direct a run of each capacity, in that they'd have to care for more parts SKUs, and finished product SKUs. Adding those parts and finisted product SKUs will add costs. It would also mean they cannot produce as many of the standard capacity DVRs, and their price would have to go up.
Offering custom capacity options could be worse. They'd have to employ a technician (including re-testing for QC, if not other things), stock parts, and track a special SKU, especially if it is done at the factory in China.
TiVo is doing what they can with the two capacities they offer for the Series 2. Leave it to te 3rd party "Boutique" vendors to offer capacity increased TiVos, or for the customer to DY, if they choose.
TiVo's repair policy is quite reasonable under their current rules. When a TiVo is out of warranty they'll replace the stock HD for $150, regardless of whether the box has been opened or not.
What they probably do is send you an identical capacity refurb, and put your onld one in for refurbishment.
Why not offer to install an optional larger HD for a fee which makes a profit but isn't exorbitant? Why not even consider pre-approving and licensing WeaKnees and other upgrade vendors as official TiVo repair facilities?
TiVo just doesn't have the resources or will to offer other than their stock capacities, for the small number of potential takers of such a service.
"Licensing" Weaknees as an official TiVo servcie depot would probably require the licensee to eliminate some likely profitable element of their current business.
GoHokies!
05-08-2007, 05:51 PM
3 - And when you turn on any TV/Tivo, they are Auto-set on "Live TV" if you haven't used the Unit for about 5 Mins, so you can't "Accidently see something you don't want to"!Yes, they do that. So, if you're recording a something like a sporting event if you turn on the TV in the middle while not in standby or hitting the Tivo button first, it would be pretty hard to avoid hearing the score.
Just because you don't use it doesn't mean that it isn't a useful feature for some people.
The wonderful thing is that nobody is forcing you to put your unit in standby if you don't want to.
they will only try to make you look like a fool!It Looks Like With SOME PEOPLE! "they" Don't Even Have Too Try!!!
mattack
05-08-2007, 09:58 PM
2 - And how many Suggestions do you Record?? I would think that if you really wanted to watch any Show, you would have placed it in "Season Pass"? Plus, even if using a 300 Hour Unit, it would always be Full if you Recorded every Suggestion!
You seem to be misunderstanding something. Suggestions are recorded automatically if turned on.
Plus, a S3 (which has a ~300 hour recording time at the lowest quality) definitely is NOT full of suggestions all the time. (Though I've started to move some season passes BACK to my S1s since it was far too easy to get the S3 full, even of basic quality recordings..)
Also, many of us use suggestions as a vague "free disk space" indicator. That's the ONLY reason I record suggestions. (Though I now realize that I should probably just turn off suggestions and ONLY use the recently deleted folder as the free space indicator. However, I have seen suggestions sometimes record and an item didn't go away from the recently deleted folder.. So suggestions + recently deleted is a more accurate guesstimate of free space.)
TiVo Troll
05-08-2007, 10:25 PM
Sigh. The buffer is not recorded in standby on DirecTV Tivos. AFP1 implies it's not recorded on S3s either, that I can't confirm or deny. I do know as an observed fact that my DTivo does not record the buffer in standby. I will repeat again for emphasis, Direct TV Tivos do not record the buffer in standby.
Get it?
Yup.
But why not just say DirecTV TiVo upfront? Unless specified, why wouldn't a Forum reader believe that TiVo without qualifier means, 'er, TiVo. After all Direct TV Tivos aren't even available any more.
Now, on to the S3.
I just checked Standby on the S3 and going into Standby doesn't affect the recording buffer. The S3 Standby screen talks about using 'Live TV' and 'TiVo Central' to exit Standby as well as a 'Format' button. Where is there a 'Format' button?
CrispyCritter
05-08-2007, 10:29 PM
I just checked Standby on the S3 and going into Standby doesn't affect the recording buffer. The S3 Standby screen talks about using 'Live TV' and 'TiVo Central' to exit Standby as well as a 'Format' button. Where is there a 'Format' button?The Format button is on the front of the TiVo itself.
Krosis
05-08-2007, 10:35 PM
Yup.
But why not just say DirecTV TiVo upfront? Er... I did, my original post contained the line:
"1. (DirecTivo only) It stops the recording of the live buffers, reducing HD head movement."
{empasis added}
It's not my problem that some people can't read :D
TiVo Troll
05-08-2007, 10:42 PM
**ANOTHER IDIOT!!
**2 of the "Quotes" you Posted, *I never even made!!
You are only proving my theory that all of you Electronic Geeks have no Life other than Sleeping with your Tivos!
Yup.
Only one quote was yours.
The quote below yours was mine, which put ZeoTiVo's reply quote in context. I just edited the post to show that.
But really, aren't you just blowing off steam?
TiVo Troll
05-08-2007, 10:50 PM
But why not just say DirecTV TiVo upfront?
Er... I did, my original post contained the line:
"1. (DirecTivo only) It stops the recording of the live buffers, reducing HD head movement."
{empasis added}
It's not my problem that some people can't read :D
Um; indeed you did! Sorry. :o
TiVo Troll
05-08-2007, 10:55 PM
The Format button is on the front of the TiVo itself.
Wow! Learn something every day! TiVo's most obscure button in plain sight.
No, it's not. I do have a DTivo so stopping the live buffer is a significant savings to me. Head issues seem to be a significant cause of failures with HDs and the reduced wear is significant. I also do record a lot of suggestions, at least 25-35% (or more) of my recordings are suggestions. So once again, it's an important advantage to me. Finally, if I take my Tivo off standby it goes to the Tivo Central Menu, not live TV. If I simply turn off the TV then the Tivo will revert to live TV and that's what I will see when I turn on the TV. If I see the cop hauling away the butler in 'cuffs that can give away the ending!
You should consider that usage and viewpoints of others may be different than for yourself. I listed the advantages of standby for myself, and explicitly stated that they were my reasons. I did not mention the pass-through feature because I don't use that and it was mentioned in earlier posts.
When you provide assistance to others on this forum you should provide generic help and not help specifically designed to make others "like you". Explain the features and let the end user decide if they consider them advantageous or not.
*Sorry, you have made your point! I just felt if you can remember to place your Unit on Standby, why can't you remember to just press the Tivo Button Before turning on your TV?? But that is just the way You like, or are used to doing things, and have every Right to!
But besides the ways we both use our Tivos, you have unintentionally made a different point! I am apologizing because when I wrote, I was, (well lets just say *Annoyed" to keep the Censors Happy), because of the other Posts I Read first, telling me that something I **Have Been doing for the past 2 Years "Could Not Possibly Work"!! *BUT IT HAS FOR 2 YEARS!! Those Posts were from all the Self Proclaimed "Experts" out there, that really don't know a Tivo from a Dead Chicken!
But again, I am Sorry. I never want to ever become, or even sound anything like them! You know the type, the Typical "Know it Alls" that actually Know and Answer nothing, but try their best to make a person asking a simple question look like a Fool!! Now I did the same and feel bad for doing so.
It was only bad timing on my part when I read your Post! We all have the Right to use our Tivos in any way we like, and not have some Idiot try to make us look like a Fool. I Bet if you placed 10 "Experts" in a Room and asked a simple question, you would get 10 different answers, and they would all fight to their Deaths over it!! But that's typical!!
*BTW- The Head issues normally are related with the damn Laser, (A $10.00 Fix)that I would Bet has a Timer built in!! LOL! It seems like Burners last 2 Yrs. Max. on most Units, even with low usage. And most Brands, (*ALL of Humax Made Units) use the same Cheaply Made, Low End Pioneer Drives. The Lasers are only used in Home Recording, as Pro-Made Movies are all Stamped Out just like LP Records used to be! Reading a Disc is done using a Magnetic Head, similar to a Tape Recorder, Not by a Laser. That is why Studios can fit 4 Hours on a Disc, and get better quality than we can even when set at only 1 Hour!
But I was wrong for making the comments I made yesterday!! I should have just said nothing, like I myself reply to all the "Experts" out there! But at least I am Man enough to admit when I am wrong. **But it's Funny, None of the "Experts" ever did when I actually proved them wrong!! You can always tell who the "Experts" are, by the number of Posts listed by them. I have seen people with *Thousands of Posts! Don't they have anything else to do?? They need a Life more than a Tivo! **Tivos don't keep you warm at night!!
But you sound like a Normal Person, not just another "Expert", so Sorry!
*Peace!
*PS- That is strainge that your Tivo goes to the Central Menu when not in use. I have 2 now, (A Humax and a Tivo S2DT) and had another I threw away after 2 Yrs. ( Why fix when at Xmas a New DT was Only $39.00??) But all went to Live TV when Idle for more than just a few Mins?? But then again, these things have a habit of acting wierd at times!! *Like each time they Upgrade!! Maybe that's why they Upgrade so often!! Creates New Sales! LOL But I would love to know why 1 of my Units skipped 1 Upgrade? The Tivo went to 8.3, but the Humax never did, it's Still on 8.1a and it's been Months since the other Upgraded! Tivo told me it's probably just an error in the System Info Listings, but has to have been Upgraded!! *Yea, Right!! Next they will be trying to Sell me a Bridge!
Yup.
Only one quote was yours.
The quote below yours was mine, which put ZeoTiVo's reply quote in context. I just edited the post to show that.
But really, aren't you just blowing off steam?
In a way, But actually not Blowing Off Steam. Just all the Self Proclaimed "Experts" that never give you an answer, but only try to make a person look like a Fool!
And there are many of them that "TRY"
Actually, It was an Error made by either myself or the Forum, because my Reply ended up on your Post, which I didn't intend it to be. It was actually pointed towards someone else.
Sorry!
Er... I did, my original post contained the line:
"1. (DirecTivo only) It stops the recording of the live buffers, reducing HD head movement."
{empasis added}
It's not my problem that some people can't read :D
I was wondering what you were talking about, because I read the entire Book and never read anything about Live Buffers. But I don't have DirecTV.
The Format button is on the front of the TiVo itself.
I have 2 Tivos, and cannot see any Format, or any other Buttons on either. Are you talking about DirecTV?? If not, where is this Button? I always wondered why there was no way to Format a Tivo, as all Hard Drives Fragment and eventually will mess up causing larger problems. (*Probably at that Magic 2 Yr. Mark!!)
ZeoTiVo
05-09-2007, 09:03 AM
I have 2 Tivos, and cannot see any Format, or any other Buttons on either. Are you talking about DirecTV?? If not, where is this Button? I always wondered why there was no way to Format a Tivo, as all Hard Drives Fragment and eventually will mess up causing larger problems. (*Probably at that Magic 2 Yr. Mark!!)
it is on the S3 and actually has something to do with how the output from the S3 will be formatted. I assume for Widescreen vs regular TV set but I do not have an S3 to know what formats it displays. The button hasnothing to do with the hard drive however.
You seem to be misunderstanding something. Suggestions are recorded automatically if turned on.
Plus, a S3 (which has a ~300 hour recording time at the lowest quality) definitely is NOT full of suggestions all the time. (Though I've started to move some season passes BACK to my S1s since it was far too easy to get the S3 full, even of basic quality recordings..)
Also, many of us use suggestions as a vague "free disk space" indicator. That's the ONLY reason I record suggestions. (Though I now realize that I should probably just turn off suggestions and ONLY use the recently deleted folder as the free space indicator. However, I have seen suggestions sometimes record and an item didn't go away from the recently deleted folder.. So suggestions + recently deleted is a more accurate guesstimate of free space.)
"Plus, a S3 (which has a ~300 hour recording time at the lowest quality)"
You are mixing up "Quality" with "Definition" And in all 3 Units I have owned, I can't even stand watching anything below High Quality, because the Pictures are lousey! Why spend so much Money to watch a 1962 Quality Picture?
it is on the S3 and actually has something to do with how the output from the S3 will be formatted. I assume for Widescreen vs regular TV set but I do not have an S3 to know what formats it displays. The button hasnothing to do with the hard drive however.
Sorry, I wasn't thinking about an S3. But when you say Formatting has nothing to do with the Hard Drive, that does not make sense. Formatting Erases a Hard Drive, at least with Real Computers anyway! Why it would be different here I can't imagine. When you Format any type of Computer, you are trying to rid yourself of Errors, which are all on the H/D.
it is on the S3 and actually has something to do with how the output from the S3 will be formatted. I assume for Widescreen vs regular TV set but I do not have an S3 to know what formats it displays. The button hasnothing to do with the hard drive however.
BTW- I looked through Google, and never did find the "Quote" you have listed by J.L.
ZeoTiVo
05-09-2007, 09:26 AM
Sorry, I wasn't thinking about an S3. But when you say Formatting has nothing to do with the Hard Drive, that does not make sense. Formatting Erases a Hard Drive, at least with Real Computers anyway! Why it would be different here I can't imagine. When you Format any type of Computer, you are trying to rid yourself of Errors, which are all on the H/D.
It is the same word but it has different meanings depending on context
Format a Hard drive
what format is the output for the video in?
check out TiVo lovers forum for lots of good info on TiVo DVRs
http://www.tivolovers.com/Series3-Review.html
Yup.
But why not just say DirecTV TiVo upfront? Unless specified, why wouldn't a Forum reader believe that TiVo without qualifier means, 'er, TiVo. After all Direct TV Tivos aren't even available any more.
Now, on to the S3.
I just checked Standby on the S3 and going into Standby doesn't affect the recording buffer. The S3 Standby screen talks about using 'Live TV' and 'TiVo Central' to exit Standby as well as a 'Format' button. Where is there a 'Format' button?
AFP1 didn't imply anything!! All I said was "Are you referring to DirecTV!
it is on the S3 and actually has something to do with how the output from the S3 will be formatted. I assume for Widescreen vs regular TV set but I do not have an S3 to know what formats it displays. The button hasnothing to do with the hard drive however.
Going back to your Quote by John Lennon, even if he did say that I disagree!
But, Give every Law Abiding Citizen a Gun, and then there will be Peace!!
ZeoTiVo
05-09-2007, 09:53 AM
Going back to your Quote by John Lennon, even if he did say that I disagree!
But, Give every Law Abiding Citizen a Gun, and then there will be Peace!!
You are amazing in how you just fly in the face of Forum etiquette and just post whatever topic you feel like. It is not helping how other posters view you.
anyhow it is from some interview, though I have no idea which one or when. the full quote is
"When we say 'War is over if you want it,' we mean that if everyone demanded peace instead of another TV set, we'd have peace."
just another of many, many great one liners that dropped from the greatest songwriter of our time.
the rest of your post I will just ignore as a debate not belonging in the Coffeehouse forum
Stanley Rohner
05-09-2007, 12:31 PM
Is there a way I can subscribe to the this thread and be notified every time the person that started the thread adds a reply ?
:) :p :D
dianebrat
05-09-2007, 12:53 PM
You seem to be misunderstanding something. Suggestions are recorded automatically if turned on.
Plus, a S3 (which has a ~300 hour recording time at the lowest quality) definitely is NOT full of suggestions all the time. (Though I've started to move some season passes BACK to my S1s since it was far too easy to get the S3 full, even of basic quality recordings..)
And then there are folks like me, I have massive HD capacity on my Tivo's so that they *will* record suggestions and fill up the HD's with things. After all, what's the point in teaching them with thumbs up and thumbs down if you don't let them use this knowledge?
By using thumbs and having suggestions on, my Tivo's find obscure things for me that I might not have even known existed, but that I will enjoy watching on a quiet evening.
*no laughing* I'm a NASCAR fan, but I don't crave other forms of motor sports, so over time my Tivo's have learned NASCAR=good, F1/CART=bad, and with large HD's and suggestions on, it will record old NASCAR races on ESPN classics, I'd never actively search them out, but every now and then one will catch my eye and I really enjoy seeing today's veteran drives when they were rookies.
Diane
WhiskeyTango
05-09-2007, 01:29 PM
Darn,
2 - And how many Suggestions do you Record?? I would think that if you really wanted to watch any Show, you would have placed it in "Season Pass"? Plus, even if using a 300 Hour Unit, it would always be Full if you Recorded every Suggestion!
I've picked up SP's for a few shows that the Suggestions recorded for me that I would have otherwise missed out on. I've got a few hundred channels and don't have the time or desire to go through the program guide every day of every channel to find a show that I might want to watch.
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