New Series 3 Doing MRV (I think)

[lessd]

I am just setting up a new Series 3, no Cable Cards yet, V8.1 software (not updated to 8.3 yet) and two days ago I saw that I could see other TiVos on my network but when I went to them I just got an error, tonight I went to one of them and all the recordings showed up on my Series 3, I then went and tried a xfer and the NBC news on the other TiVo (A Series 2 ) started to transfer, I have not tried to watch it yet but that's real progress toward MRV as it is now showing up on my Series 3 now playing list with a blue dot. My SI does say AAA in the correct place not III that my cable carded Series 3 has. On my TiVo account the Allow Transfer box on that Series 3 is checked. (the Series 3 with a Cable Card has no check). Maybe we are close to this great feature or TiVo screw up and they will turn it off.

[Skinny Kid]

Any one else seeing this? Can you post a screen shot? I can't wait!

I think I have heard of this happening... When you install your cable cards it goes away. I think... I have cable cards and I am not seeing this.

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There was another thread on this a few weeks back. The functionality depends on flags on your account. 99% of us have the flags turned off. There was some glitch that allowed some accounts to have them on. If your status windows says a,a,a then this stuff is turned on, if it says i,i,i then it is off.

[lessd]

There was another thread on this a few weeks back. The functionality depends on flags on your account. 99% of us have the flags turned off. There was some glitch that allowed some accounts to have them on. If your status windows says a,a,a then this stuff is turned on, if it says i,i,i then it is off.

Now mine say AAA, in about an hour i will try to watch the program and get back to you. The other posts never said they made a XFER from a Series 2 to a Series 3

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http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4867245&&#post4867245

MRV works(a bit, I think). I'm currently transferring a show from an S2. No problems with setting up the transfer. But I press play and I'm just getting a blank TiVo menu screen.

Will update you after the transfer.

Edit: sigh. Not quite there, it looks like. I lost patience and interrupted the transfer, hoping I'd be able to play it then. I have a partial recording of 27 minutes on the S3, but when I play it says it was not able to detect a signal on the channel. I'm currently trying to transfer a complete show.

Edit2: Nope. got the same thing on a complete 30 minute show. It's listed in full on the S3. It has a disk usage of .61 GBytes on the S3. But the S3 is reporting it can't detect a signal.

All the intermediate signs were good: the S3 was reporting the transfer; it was appearing with a blue dot on the S3 now playing list during the transfer... But it looks like something else needs to get done.

Edit3 (the day after): It's clear that MRV is NOT supported in this release. TiVo is still trying to figure out why I can do the very partial MRV that I can; I'm not going to make any more comments until they get back to me.

[Carlos_E]

Now mine say AAA, in about an hour i will try to watch the program and get back to you. The other posts never said they made a XFER from a Series 2 to a Series 3
How about an update.

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[lessd]

How about an update.

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This is the update, a program can be xfer from a Series 2 (V8.3) to a Series 3 (V8.1). But the Series 3 will not play the program, all looks ok but the unit tells me there is no video. so i xfered that same program back to another Series 2 from the Series 3 and it played great on the 2nd series 2. A program I recorded on the Series 3 gives an error if I try to xfer it to a Series 2. So we are not there yet but close. I hope its only software that will not let the program play on the Series 3, if it is the recording method such that it can't ever be encoded by the Series 3 that would suck.

[Redux]

the Series 3 will not play the [series2] program, all looks ok but the unit tells me there is no video. so i xfered that same program back to another Series 2 from the Series 3 and it played great on the 2nd series 2That is good information. Much appreciated. But I am very conflicted. Is it really a good thing to share this publicly? These are difficult times for the federation.

[Solver]

Be sure to report back again when you get your Series 3 version 8.3 update.

[lessd]

That is good information. Much appreciated. But I am very conflicted. Is it really a good thing to share this publicly? These are difficult times for the federation.

What the heck does that mean ???, This is not an inside stock tip, iti's how a new (non upgraded ) standred Series 3 is working using MRV without V8.3 or Cables cards.

[Leo_N]

This is the update, a program can be xfer from a Series 2 (V8.3) to a Series 3 (V8.1). But the Series 3 will not play the program, all looks ok but the unit tells me there is no video. so i xfered that same program back to another Series 2 from the Series 3 and it played great on the 2nd series 2. A program I recorded on the Series 3 gives an error if I try to xfer it to a Series 2. So we are not there yet but close. I hope its only software that will not let the program play on the Series 3, if it is the recording method such that it can't ever be encoded by the Series 3 that would suck.

Perhaps the reason is a lack of a Media Access Key? I imagine they won't implement that until they are ready to take it live.

[cokyq]

Sorry... what does MRV stand for?

[mfrns0123]

Sorry... what does MRV stand for?
Multi Room Viewing

[Redux]

What the heck does that mean ???The s3 is a very secure machine. The cable industry need have no fear that there are any ways of getting content out of an s3. This is a benign, self-contained little box that is capable of no harm to their industry or to the content providers they work with. Tivo has locked it down tight. Inviolable.

[lessd]

The s3 is a very secure machine. The cable industry need have no fear that there are any ways of getting content out of an s3. This is a benign, self-contained little box that is capable of no harm to their industry or to the content providers they work with. Tivo has locked it down tight. Inviolable.

Without Cable Cards why should the Series 3 NOT have MRV as the Series 2 DT has ? The Series 3 (without CC) can't do anything to the industry that the others Series 2s are already doing.

[lcann44]

Without Cable Cards why should the Series 3 NOT have MRV as the Series 2 DT has ? The Series 3 (without CC) can't do anything to the industry that the others Series 2s are already doing.

Well, it can pick up some HD broadcast that are unencrypted. And there may be the problem the movie and television industry is worried about HD quality on their shows getting into the mainstream. That would be my guess.

[Justin Thyme]

I had a,a,a a few weeks back. I could do TivoBack just fine (play mpeg and pyTivo shows from PC to the S3. I could even do HD resolution shows [posted some screen shots too.]) I could mrv from an s2 to an s3 but it would not play. The s3 would show up to the s2, but when I initiated a transfer it would give an error message as if the S3 had been disconnected from the network.

Tivo fixed the glitch and the a,a,a went away after a few days- not that I could move ANY content off the S3, or anything in violation of the their CHILA with cablelabs, as far as I understand it.

[ivyvine420]

I have used 2 Series 3 units (first one had broken OLED display) and both have been used with cablecards and without (straight coax cable in). Sometime when I first got them (the first one, might have had the second one then or soon after as it's only been 3 1/2 weeks approx since we got the first unit).

I never saw a,a,a listed on either of them, with any of the different software versions (starting from before the TivoCast and KidZone extras were added) and with any set-up type of cable access.

I did however, when trying to test out its features, get it to see our Series 2 Humax DRT800 box, connect to it and transfer a program to the Series 3, which when I tried to play it, came up with an error (can't remember exactly what it said). The program item would stay in my Now Playing until I went and deleted it (as it wouldn't do anything and was of no use).

Someone mentioned that it might not be able to do something because of not having a MAK, but does anyone know if you have more than one Tivo (that can currently use MRV and TivoToGo etc) if you get more than one MAK? Because what I am guessing is that people that already had a Series 2 with a MAK, could get a bit more access as you might just use the same MAK for all units in your "household". If someone with just a Series 3 (or 2 of them) was trying this stuff, then they wouldn't have a MAK yet to use.

I can remember that the options for my tivos through the manage my account page was set to the Series 3 having a checkmark under the transfers allowed, which later on when I revisited the page, it had changed so that each time you updated and put the check in the box, you would think it was done but the page just refreshes and clears the box again. This might have been "set off" by one of my actions (with the series 3 tivo or through the website and changing options in my account). This seems likely, as the change then "reminded" the website that the tvio in question currently cannot allow transfers and trie to self fix the glitch. It does seem like Tivo wants to enable (let you enable if you wish) the transfers for Series 3 units as the box constantly reappearing seems like a very easy glitch to fix, unless they just didn't want to bother if it was going to become available as an option in the near future...

Now I think I am going to go play around and try and see if I can get the Series 2 to transfer something to the Series 3 again (even if I do end up with a "nothing downloaded" file and just have to delete it).

[Leo_N]

Without Cable Cards why should the Series 3 NOT have MRV as the Series 2 DT has ? The Series 3 (without CC) can't do anything to the industry that the others Series 2s are already doing.

The reason is even without the cablecards, the device still needs to keep its Cablelabs Certification, so even if Tivo were to fully implement MRV and TTG and the like on S3s without cablecards installed they would still need to prove that if cablecards were installed those features would be turned off or were at least secure (the secure part being what Tivo is going for now), so I think any type of turning on of features on non-cablecard equipped S3s would only be a last ditch effort if they can't come to some type of agreement in getting them fully implemented with every S3.

[rocull]

The "Allow Transfers" checkbox on TiVo.com's DVR Preferences page still cannot be checked, so MRV is not activated.

[MichaelK]

Alrighty I guess I can come out of the closet since so many others have....

:-)

I too had AAA for a few weeks actually a while back- if you search it's fairly regular (although probably not common) when you move boxes around on your account. Eventually they flipped the switch back to III - I assume they have a periodic job that scans the database looking for s3 TSN's that are set to AAA and flips it to III.

As Justin posted above- you can use tivo to come back (I used tivodesktop and tivo.net both- only with SD though)- and you can make the MRV transfers happen fine (when you check the info screens you can even see how many gigs the file is taking up on the S3's drive)- you can apparently even transfer from s2->s3->s2 (i never tried). But the S3 cant play back MRV - I assume since it doesn't have a MAK in it's "brain" it doesn't have the keys to decrypt 'em

I'm not sure if it was tivo.net or the S3 but there were some occasional glitches with tivo to come back where the audio would be weird. A few times when I was really experimenting with all sorts of files I could get the tivo's audio to completely crap out and require a reboot.

So they are close (at least for tivo to come back) ....

[MichaelK]

will be interesting to see how long lessd keeps AAA-

please keep us posted....

[classicsat]

Without Cable Cards why should the Series 3 NOT have MRV as the Series 2 DT has ? The Series 3 (without CC) can't do anything to the industry that the others Series 2s are already doing.
Becasue it is still capable of digitally recording cable content, and is cablecard capable. The cable being unecrypted does not remove any copyright statusit would have if cablecards would be installed. Plus the transfers part of the current software probably cannot discern between cablecard, non cablecard, or non digital cable programming.

[MichaelK]

I think the short answer is- Tivo AGREES that that without cablecards (or even with any content that doesn't get deccrypted by the cablecard is installed) that MRV should be enabled

The problem seems to be that they apparently had too much faith that cablelabs was willing to work with them to approve it for cablecard content. (cable + evil) So Tivo didn't take the time early on to write the specific code to handle cablecard content one way and other content the way the S3 does. THey apparently WRONGLY assumed that they could get the whole package approved quicker than they could update their code to handle differnt stuff differnt ways.

Now that it's clear cablelabs is a road block they are working to split up the code but it will take some time. Hopefully the next update....

If you check out all the threads were people accidently got AAA set up it seems each software release has gotten closer to working.

[lessd]

will be interesting to see how long lessd keeps AAA-

please keep us posted....

On today's call home the AAA went to III so I guess it just takes some time for the TiVo computers to get it as TiVo wants it. Too bad.

[ZeoTiVo]

I so want some MRV and TTG working on the S3 :(