Heroes "0.07%" 4/23/07 *Spoilers Inside*

[classicX]

We saw Sylar using the Force voice on Issac. Was this the first time he used it? I thought Pixie Girl (remember her?) shot herself to avoid that.

Well, apparently force-voice didn't really work, since Isaac didn't obey him. If I remember correctly, Isaac said something about a painting, and sylar said "SHOW ME," but instead Isaac looked at his gun, as if he was going to try to grab it and shoot Sylar.


On a side note, is anyone having problems with recordings from fox? My HD recordings are garbled, but it's happening on both my DVRs, so I don't know if it's the signal or not.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Here's a question.

If Sylar killed Peter and got his power-absorption power, then would he stop killing people? If Peter knew that he would stop killing people, would Peter sacrifice himself to Sylar?
My take on Sylar is that he doesn't have to kill people and take their brains apart to get their powers. He just thinks it's more fun that way. :D

Seriously, though, I think he is stealing powers on the basis of his clock repair work, and just using that as a metaphor. He could probably do it without the brain-eating and killing if he had the imagination and desire.

[hapdrastic]

This doesn't necessarily mean that he can detect them - although it's possible. We've never seen him detect that someone has an ability. The telekinesis guy showed him the power before he realized he could take it.

You're right, I used the wrong word. I didn't really mean detect as in locate, I meant detect as in see the "power" in the person's brain.

[srs5694]

I'll reply to quite a few different posts here....

The 9th Wonders comic may be the key, or the book that Isaac gave to the courier.

The question is, why have a scene in which Isaac gives both the original comic and the sketchbook to a character? If the answer to the dilemma of the explosion is in just one of those items, showing Isaac giving that one thing to another character would be plenty. The sketchbook, in particular, must be significant. (It could be the comic was just a way to get the courier into the room.) My guess is that the comic (published and available in 5 years' time) tells Hiro that the sketchbook is important, so Hiro tracks down the sketchbook to find the ultimate solution. Another possibility is that one of the two is a red herring for Sylar's (or some other baddie's) benefit.

re: Claire and Peter's resurrections....

I'm not sure she knows how she revived.

IIRC, in the scene with Claire's resurrection in the morgue, she was shown to notice the bloody piece of wood that had just been pulled from her head. She could easily have inferred what happened: That she'd fallen, died from the wood, and recovered once it was removed. Of course, my reasoning itself is an inference....

I think it was to be inferred by the dialouge of Linderman saying that he used to work with a group of people that had powers, until the rest of them started using their powers for personal gain, and then later Momma P mentioned something about the past and that she regretted some of her actions. I took that to mean that Momma P was one of the ones that Linderman used to work with who went to the "dark side."

Linderman was, of course, painting himself as a good guy for Nathan's benefit; however, consider this: Linderman is clearly quite well-off financially. Of course, he could have inherited or otherwise acquired lots of money without using powers, but I'm more than a little suspicious that Linderman himself was part of the group who began using their powers for personal gain.

balboa dave]So the scenes where he used the voice isn't convincing enough for you? Tough crowd.

This is answered more directly in some spoilerized material quoted earlier; however, Sylar's Bene Gesserit Voice (a better reference than Star Wars, IMHO) effect has never been shown to actually work. His voice sounds funny, yes, but people don't seem to be compelled to obey. Hence, it's either just a silly thing the producers put in for no good reason or one of Sylar's victims had a pretty wimpy power.

What if Sylar is just a psychopath who merely thinks that he must kill in order to gain a fellow mutants powers but it is really the act of concentrating on how it works that brings him the ability?

It's entirely plausible to me that Sylar's power and Peter's power are identical, but that Sylar and Peter have different beliefs about how they operate. As precedent, remember that Isaac believed he could only paint the future when he was high, and for a while that was true. It was only after others convinced him that his power would work when he wasn't high that he began to be able to use his power in that way. Much the same thing could be happening with Sylar: He believes that he's got to examine peoples' brains in a way that happens to kill them in order to absorb their powers, so that's what he does. Peter, by contrast, is under no such illusion, so he can use his power more effectively.

[DevdogAZ]

The question is, why have a scene in which Isaac gives both the original comic and the sketchbook to a character? If the answer to the dilemma of the explosion is in just one of those items, showing Isaac giving that one thing to another character would be plenty. The sketchbook, in particular, must be significant. (It could be the comic was just a way to get the courier into the room.) My guess is that the comic (published and available in 5 years' time) tells Hiro that the sketchbook is important, so Hiro tracks down the sketchbook to find the ultimate solution. Another possibility is that one of the two is a red herring for Sylar's (or some other baddie's) benefit.
I think it was merely to show that Isaac was putting his affairs in order because he knew that his end was coming. Had he simply given the manuscript for the next edition of the comic to the courier, that wouldn't have been anything out of the ordinary, since presumably he does that every time there's a new edition. However, giving away the sketchbook symbolizes that he's accepted his fate and is prepared to die, and isn't even going to try and fight it.

[hapdrastic]

This is answered more directly in some spoilerized material quoted earlier; however, Sylar's Bene Gesserit Voice (a better reference than Star Wars, IMHO) effect has never been shown to actually work. His voice sounds funny, yes, but people don't seem to be compelled to obey. Hence, it's either just a silly thing the producers put in for no good reason or one of Sylar's victims had a pretty wimpy power.


According to Comic 11 (Fathers & Daughters):
Sylar definitely does not have Eden's powers...she specifically shot herself in the head to avoid him being getting them. "She gave her life to keep a depraved and dangerous man from gaining her gift."

One of the better issues of the comic - "Leave the guilt".


(hopefully no one else has already mentioned that this thread...I don't remember seeing it, anyway).

I think it should be a rule that if you want to argue about something on this show you have to read all the comics first. ;)

[MickeS]

I think it was merely to show that Isaac was putting his affairs in order because he knew that his end was coming. Had he simply given the manuscript for the next edition of the comic to the courier, that wouldn't have been anything out of the ordinary, since presumably he does that every time there's a new edition. However, giving away the sketchbook symbolizes that he's accepted his fate and is prepared to die, and isn't even going to try and fight it.
Yep, that's how I interpreted that scene. It worked even if it didn't have any larger purpose than that.

[TAsunder]

Seriously, though, I think he is stealing powers on the basis of his clock repair work, and just using that as a metaphor. He could probably do it without the brain-eating and killing if he had the imagination and desire.

So do you think his power is idential to peter's but he has convinced himself he can only activate them by eating brains? Or maybe he has to remember what their brains tasted like...?

[steve614]

I think in layman terms,

Peter can 'telepathically' acquire another heros' power while
Sylar has to 'physically' acquire another heros' power.
:)

[Rob Helmerichs]

So do you think his power is idential to peter's but he has convinced himself he can only activate them by eating brains? Or maybe he has to remember what their brains tasted like...?
I don't think it's identical; I just don't think Sylar has to work as hard to figure out the powers he acquires as he thinks/likes.

[pallen4215]

Wonder who Sylar got the whole "laser cutting" from? Maybe he learned how to focus the telekynesis, or maybe there's a power we haven't learned about yet. Imagine what he could do if he lost control of that power.

[srs5694]

I think it was merely to show that Isaac was putting his affairs in order because he knew that his end was coming. Had he simply given the manuscript for the next edition of the comic to the courier, that wouldn't have been anything out of the ordinary, since presumably he does that every time there's a new edition. However, giving away the sketchbook symbolizes that he's accepted his fate and is prepared to die, and isn't even going to try and fight it.

The problem with this hypothesis is in Isaac's dialog when he confronted Sylar. Isaac said (paraphrasing) that he knows the others will kill Sylar and that he (Isaac) has finally done something good by telling them how to do this. Sylar got upset at this and insisted Isaac show him (Sylar), but Isaac refused (well, he didn't reply, anyhow). All this indicates that Isaac has somehow communicated important information to others, but we've not seen this on screen unless it was via the comic and/or the sketchbook. Of course, it's possible that we'll see some vital communication we haven't yet seen via flashbacks in a future episode, but IMHO it makes more sense that the comic and/or sketchbook was the means of communication.

[DevdogAZ]

The problem with this hypothesis is in Isaac's dialog when he confronted Sylar. Isaac said (paraphrasing) that he knows the others will kill Sylar and that he (Isaac) has finally done something good by telling them how to do this. Sylar got upset at this and insisted Isaac show him (Sylar), but Isaac refused (well, he didn't reply, anyhow). All this indicates that Isaac has somehow communicated important information to others, but we've not seen this on screen unless it was via the comic and/or the sketchbook. Of course, it's possible that we'll see some vital communication we haven't yet seen via flashbacks in a future episode, but IMHO it makes more sense that the comic and/or sketchbook was the means of communication.
I think you missed the point. I was responding to someone who said that the information about how to defeat Sylar must have been in the sketchbook or they wouldn't have shown Isaac giving it away. Personally, I think the relevant information was in the final edition of the comic that he gave to the courier and the giving of the sketchbook was merely to show Isaac's acceptance of his fate.

[Figaro]

The problem with this hypothesis is in Isaac's dialog when he confronted Sylar. Isaac said (paraphrasing) that he knows the others will kill Sylar and that he (Isaac) has finally done something good by telling them how to do this. Sylar got upset at this and insisted Isaac show him (Sylar), but Isaac refused (well, he didn't reply, anyhow). All this indicates that Isaac has somehow communicated important information to others, but we've not seen this on screen unless it was via the comic and/or the sketchbook. Of course, it's possible that we'll see some vital communication we haven't yet seen via flashbacks in a future episode, but IMHO it makes more sense that the comic and/or sketchbook was the means of communication.
I took it to mean that the answer is in the comic book that he just sent out with the courier.

[clreimers]

I was assuming she meant she would morph into Claire (or someone else HRG cared about), but with horrible injuries or something. I don't think she was going to reproduce a nightmare complete with scenery, etc.


Yeah, I assumed the same. She implied that she would morph into Claire and act 'naughty'. Which I would imagine would be any father's worse nightmare.

[clreimers]

Sylar is doing it scientifically somehow. Or he eats their brains. One of the two. Either way, it's not a naturally evolution like the other Heroes have.

I don't think he eats their brains. He simply has to open a person up and look that their brains, see how they work... like he did with the watches.

[ScaryMike]

If anyone wants to read the journal and doesn't want to go through the whole save file as, I created a torrent for them. All 1-30 are there, enjoy.

Heroes 1-30 journal (http://btjunkie.org/torrent/Heroes-Journal-1-30/4324243d4e80ff1d8d9f1ffde99f48ac84e1bac28776)


Thanks!!!! Any chance you could seed? Doesn't look like there are any seeders.

[Royster]

I don't think he eats their brains.

Oh, he eats their brains. He does. Deep down, you know it's true. And he doesn't even use any ketchup, just red, raw brains.

[alansh]

Larry King Live on CNN will be having some of the actors on tonight. The website doesn't say which ones, though.

[MickeS]

Larry King Live on CNN will be having some of the actors on tonight. The website doesn't say which ones, though.
Might have to take a look. Hoping for "Nathan", "HRG" and "Linderman".

[Church AV Guy]

I don't think he eats their brains. He simply has to open a person up and look that their brains, see how they work... like he did with the watches.
But the brains are clearly removed from the skulls. They are hollow. There is no sign of the missing brains lying around either. While I agree that there isn't blood all over his face like he has been eating raw flesh, the absence of the brains leaves one with questions about where they go.

[DianaMo]

Stars of "Heroes" @ Larry King show
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/

CNN page includes two videos.

[classicX]

I'm fairly certain he cannot detect powers. He was genuinely surprised when Peter became invisible.

I didn't mean it in the sense that he could detect what the ability is, just that there is one.

[JimSpence]

I'm not sure she knows how she revived. I don't recall her having a conversation with the ME who removed the stick in her head. I think her removing the glass shard was a Wild Ass Guess.Backing up a few pages. I don't think Clair was purposely looking for something stuck in Peter's brain. She just felt the glass shard when holding his head and then knew its significance.

And, Clair and now Peter can be killed if they should lose their heads (as was surmised for other Heroes previously). Unless we are talking about Loren. :)

[lcmoore99]

Did anyone notice that before Isaac gave the courier the comic book, he was looking at a loose page that had the drawing of a syringe? That's gotta be something, do you think?

Another Heroes 'addict' :rolleyes:

[Figaro]

Did anyone notice that before Isaac gave the courier the comic book, he was looking at a loose page that had the drawing of a syringe? That's gotta be something, do you think?

Another Heroes 'addict' :rolleyes:
It was Mohinder killing the Haitian.