UFC 70 (4/21) *Spoilers*

[ahartman]

Wow, good thing it was free - lots of boring fights. I've read the undercard fights were pretty good tho.

How about Cro Cop getting KTFO! I was waiting for his head to roll off his shoulders...

Bisping was dominant - had a scare, but regained his composure and finished it off.

I did like the Serra comment aboug Hughes "He's a d!ck. A talented d!ck..."

[KungFuCow]

Bisping is being coddled by the UFC brass. Once he faces a legit 205'er, he's going to realize he better drop down to 185.

Sure didnt expect to see CroCop get tooled like that.

Overall, Im glad it was free. That was probably the weakest UFC card in quite a while.

[goblue97]

I wonder if they somehow knew this was going to be a less than stellar card and that is why they made it free. I wasn't completely surprised by Mirko losing but I didn't expect a KO, that Gonzaga guy has some skills. Otherwise, it was quite a boring night. Arlovski needs to change him nickname from the pitbull to something more tentative. He's lost all aggressiveness.

[Magister]

Isn't there normally at least one title defense at a PPV? And there were no belt challanges this time.

Besping rocked. Cro-Cop getting KTFO surprised the hell out of me. He didn't throw a single kick.

Arlovski was boring as hell. He won, and still got booed.

Can you imagine that Europeans had to pay for this event? This was PPV everywhere outside of North America.

Glad to have heard the announcement about TUF 6. Serra and Hughes as the Coaches!!!

[robbins]

Hughes is known around MMA as a jerk and regarding that fight, I think Serra will beat him.

Now, about UFC 70, I agree with the comment earlier that Bisping will be exposed. He would lose to many 205 pounders. Put him against Evans, Jardine, Griffin, Tito, etc.

That Arlovski fight was BORING. Arlovski did not come to fight, much like Tim Sylvia does. Squeaking out wins like that will do nothing for him.

Lastly, amazing main event, very few people gave Gonzaga a chance and he shocked the world with one of the best KO's I have ever seen.

[Magister]

Lastly, amazing main event, very few people gave Gonzaga a chance and he shocked the world with one of the best KO's I have ever seen.

That KO will make the highlight reels. I wouldn't be surprised to see it incorporated into the opening credits of any UFC TV show now.

Cro-Cop didn't seem to be doing much. He is one of my favorites to watch but he was 'dead' this time.

[goblue97]

how about the position of Mirko's leg/ankle/foot following the KO? I thought for sure there was going to be some serious damage there.

I was looking over some older UFC cards and I think it was UFC 52 that had a card full of great fights. The Main event was Liddell/Couture but Hughes was also fighting on the undercard as well as a few other top level fighters. Maybe those days are over.

[Snappa77]

Just watched it. WOW. WOW. WOW.

Insane finish. That leg kick looked SICK but Cro Cops leg at the end looked even sicker.


Hey did Goldberg give away a result of TUF5 when he mentioned Serra underdog and Lauzon (sp?) from this season.

I heard it and was planning on to review it later but I deleted the recording. I might be mistaken but the context in how he was saying it led me to believe he might have gave something away about TUF5.

Anyways....

The Grice/Etim(sp?) fight was good also. It must suck to lose so close to the bell after kicking the guys ass for 5min. Same thing ALMOST happpened to Bisping. Glad he got outta that one.

The fact that I could fast forward made me happy during the Pitbulls fight. Previous poster was right he should change his name. Gawd awful.

Liddell vs Jackson II predictions?

[ClutchBrake]

Hey did Goldberg give away a result of TUF5 when he mentioned Serra underdog and Lauzon (sp?) from this season.

I didn't hear what he said but remember that Lauzon, a contestant on TuF 5, recently defeated Pulver, a coach. He was certainly an underdog. And many people were wondering if Pulver would choose him for his team (he didn't).

But you probably already know that. And it probably doesn't have anything to do with it.

Do you remember when this was mentioned? I'd like to watch it again and hear the comment in context.

[ClutchBrake]

Liddell vs Jackson II predictions?

Cripes, I don't freakin' know. But I don't think Rampage is the underdog Serra/Gonzaga are/were.

I HOPE Chuck wins. But I like Rampage and wouldn't be devastated if he won. I'm guessing immediate rematch if he did.

[TAsunder]

The lamest part of this was that they didn't show cro cop walking afterwards so we could see if his leg was ok. They showed the freakin' replay at least 20 times and then just didn't even think that we would want to know if he was ok or not.

I think bisping is pretty good. There aren't a lot of people who can throw that kind of damage from a full guard. Tito taught him well.

[ClutchBrake]

The lamest part of this was that they didn't show cro cop walking afterwards so we could see if his leg was ok. They showed the freakin' replay at least 20 times and then just didn't even think that we would want to know if he was ok or not.

They showed him standing up while being interviewed. And then walking out of the ring. He went to the wrong exit then turned around and walked out the proper way with his entourage. Didn't even really seem to be limping.

[TAsunder]

I don't recall the wrong exit thing, thanks. I saw him walk out of the ring, but it was torso up only and he had one guy at each side and could have been hopping.

[goblue97]

I didn't hear what he said but remember that Lauzon, a contestant on TuF 5, recently defeated Pulver, a coach. He was certainly an underdog.
I heard a Lauzon reference and what you said is what I thought too. Goldberg was just commenting on the rash of major upsets lately.

I don't have any predictions for Lidell / Rampage but I am definitely looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to the whole event since this will be my first time attending an MMA event.

[UTV2TiVo]

I didn't hear what he said but remember that Lauzon, a contestant on TuF 5, recently defeated Pulver, a coach. He was certainly an underdog. And many people were wondering if Pulver would choose him for his team (he didn't).

But you probably already know that. And it probably doesn't have anything to do with it.

Do you remember when this was mentioned? I'd like to watch it again and hear the comment in context.

Different Lauzon. The one who defeated Pulver in his comeback fight is the brother of the one who is on TUF5.

[ClutchBrake]

Different Lauzon. The one who defeated Pulver in his comeback fight is the brother of the one who is on TUF5.

Same Lauzon. :)

Joe Lauzon defeated Jens Pulver at UFC 63. He is a contestant on TuF 5. He is on Team Penn.

Dan Lauzon, Joe's brother, later fought Pulver's fellow MFS fighter Spencer Fisher. Fisher defeated the younger Lauzon by TKO in Round 1.

[BlackBetty]

I'm surprised Mike Tyson hasn't joined the UFC. You know its just a matter of time before there is some kind of UFC vs. Boxing match up. Mayweather has been talking a lot of smack lately. I know boxing would never go for it, they would have nothing to win and everything to lose.

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=Aga0UUzGm_OE_UETdkQ3Y_aUxLYF?slug=dw-mayweather041807&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[KungFuCow]

Same Lauzon. :)

Joe Lauzon defeated Jens Pulver at UFC 63. He is a contestant on TuF 5. He is on Team Penn.

Dan Lauzon, Joe's brother, later fought Pulver's fellow MFS fighter Spencer Fisher. Fisher defeated the younger Lauzon by TKO in Round 1.

QFT

[KungFuCow]

I'm surprised Mike Tyson hasn't joined the UFC. You know its just a matter of time before there is some kind of UFC vs. Boxing match up. Mayweather has been talking a lot of smack lately. I know boxing would never go for it, they would have nothing to win and everything to lose.

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=Aga0UUzGm_OE_UETdkQ3Y_aUxLYF?slug=dw-mayweather041807&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


Mike actually was supposed to sign with K1 or Pride (prior to the UFC buyout) but with him being a convicted felon, I think he had trouble getting into Japan so it never panned out. Kind of like Lee Murray here in the states.. just look where he is now.

[mpar1]

I wonder if they somehow knew this was going to be a less than stellar card and that is why they made it free.

This is the card they targeted to be their first HBO event. By the time it became apparent the HBO deal would not get done in time to air this event, the US PPV buy deadline had passed. So they turned to Spike.

[goblue97]

This is the card they targeted to be their first HBO event. By the time it became apparent the HBO deal would not get done in time to air this event, the US PPV buy deadline had passed. So they turned to Spike.
ahh, I knew there had to be an explanation. Hopefully that isn't a sign that all HBO events will be sub par like this. I would rather pay the $40 and get a good card.

[TAsunder]

$40 is too much for most UFCs where only one good fight, if that, happens.

[Jebberwocky!]

$40 is too much for most UFCs where only one good fight, if that, happens.


esp. when you can watch then the next day on youtube.

[goblue97]

$40 is too much for most UFCs where only one good fight, if that, happens.
That's just it. $40 should buy more than one good fight on a card and it usually does. Anyway, many people don't think $40 is too much. Here is a quote from mma weekly.......
The UFC broke the pay-per-view industry's all-time records for a single year of business and generated over $200 million in revenue during 2006, according to two credible media outlets.

[goblue97]

esp. when you can watch then the next day on youtube.
seriously? I would at least go for the torrent and burn it to disc. The quality on youtube leaves much to be desired.

[TAsunder]

I agree $40 should buy more than one good fight, just seems like the ppv events are so frequent now that there usually is only one, maybe two good fights on most events, and sometimes none at all.

[goblue97]

If I would have paid $40 for this past event, I would have been disappointed. That was a very weak card. Going back to UFC 69 though. That was definitely worth $40. Even though Sanchez/Koscheck turned out to be a snoozer, it was a solid card. I just hope it doesn't turn into one good fight with a bunch of garbage leading in. In my opinion, that's one of the reasons this sport is better than boxing.
Here was the partial lineup for UFC 52. WHat happened to these types of cards?
Salaverry/Riggs
St. Pierre/Mayhem Miller
Lindland/Lutter
Babalu/Wiuff
Hughes/Trigg
Liddell/Couture

[Jebberwocky!]

seriously? I would at least go for the torrent and burn it to disc. The quality on youtube leaves much to be desired.

Thanks for the tip - where do you go to get the torrents?

[mpar1]

Thanks for the tip - where do you go to get the torrents?


PM sent

[robbins]

I'm surprised Mike Tyson hasn't joined the UFC. You know its just a matter of time before there is some kind of UFC vs. Boxing match up. Mayweather has been talking a lot of smack lately. I know boxing would never go for it, they would have nothing to win and everything to lose.

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=Aga0UUzGm_OE_UETdkQ3Y_aUxLYF?slug=dw-mayweather041807&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

It's because Tyson would get submitted in ten seconds. He would be easily beaten and he doesn't want any broken bones.

[robbins]

This is the card they targeted to be their first HBO event. By the time it became apparent the HBO deal would not get done in time to air this event, the US PPV buy deadline had passed. So they turned to Spike.

Actually, the UFC had planned to do an overseas card free on Spike TV for quite some time.

[mpar1]

Actually, the UFC had planned to do an overseas card free on Spike TV for quite some time.


Yes, it was the upcoming UFC 72 from Ireland

[The Flush]

Holy Cow! I shouted this morning as I watched Cro-Cop get Cro-Copped. I am suprised I did not wake up my family. I'm impressed that Couture predicted the upset. Gonzaga truly dominated the entire fight.

I love seeing some movement among all the contenders in the heavy weight division. It had gotten stale with Silvia being so complacent and not taking any chances. I'm glad Couture beat Silvia and I'm glad Gonzaga beat Cro-Cop just because it stirs things up. I can't wait to see Nogiuera (sp?) fight in the UFC. Arlovski seems timid since his first loss to Silvia. If he could get back his former agressiveness, he could be a contender again, but he was boring in this event. Right now there is no best heavyweight in the UFC.

Who will be the first UFC heavyweight to face Fedor when they have the Pride/UFC Super Bowl? Will is be a Pride fighter that recently joined UFC or will it be along time UFC fighter?

[goblue97]

I'm curious to see if Fedor ever does fight in the UFC. He's been doing the BodogFight thing and I've heard rumor that he doesn't want to fight in the UFC. He's already considered by most as the most dominant heavyweight. He really has nothing to gain by going to the UFC (except for money of course). Personally, I think he is overrated.

[ClutchBrake]

Personally, I think he is overrated.

Honestly I think he is going to lose his next fight.

Having said that, why do you think he is overrated? He has fought the greatest fighters on the planet and no one has come close to beating him.

I think Barnett is the only major name he hasn't beaten yet. At least I don't think they've fought. If they have it hasn't been in the last couple of years so Barnett deserves a rematch. Would be a good fight. They seem to be on quite good terms, even friends, but I hope they'd fight anyway.

[TAsunder]

Honestly I think he is going to lose his next fight.

Having said that, why do you think he is overrated? He has fought the greatest fighters on the planet and no one has come close to beating him.

I think Barnett is the only major name he hasn't beaten yet. At least I don't think they've fought. If they have it hasn't been in the last couple of years so Barnett deserves a rematch. Would be a good fight. They seem to be on quite good terms, even friends, but I hope they'd fight anyway.

I don't know much about his opposition but it seems like he attained "greatness" when he beat cro cop, who in my opinion is now exposed as an overrated fighter. That and the fact that the heavyweight division, just like in boxing now, seems to be lacking, might be the thing. I think he's the most promising heavyweight out there right now, but I can see where he might be thought of as overrated.

[goblue97]

Honestly I think he is going to lose his next fight.

Having said that, why do you think he is overrated? He has fought the greatest fighters on the planet and no one has come close to beating him.

I guess I don't have a really good reason. Like you said, he hasn't fought Barnett but he has blown through the rest of Pride. I don't want to get into a Pride vs UFC debate becasue the rules and environment are different for both. Having said that, I think Lindland would have done better against him had it been in a cage (the whole grabbing the ropes thing). I'd like to see him matchup against some of the UFC heavyweights now that we've seen where Mirko landed.

[ClutchBrake]

I don't know much about his opposition but it seems like he attained "greatness" when he beat cro cop, who in my opinion is now exposed as an overrated fighter.

Fedor has beaten Cro Cop, Noguiera (x2), Coleman (x2), Herring, Schilt, Fujita, Randleman, and Arona, just to name a few. Granted, Coleman and Randleman aren't on the same level as current fighters, in my opinion.

Fedor is just so complete. And on top of that he is a heavyweight. He can strike for the win. He can ground and pound for the win. He can submit for the win. And he is so calm doing it.

I certainly don't think Cro Cop is overrated. He is one of the best on the planet. His only losses are to Fedor, Big Nog, Hunt, Randleman, and Gonzaga. And let's face it, the Randleman loss he just got caught. Can happen to anyone. He avenged that loss easily.

I do think coming to the UFC was a mistake. He just doesn't seem to want to be there. He looked like crap against Sanchez and even worse against Gonzaga. Gonzaga owned him every second of that fight. Not to take anything away from Gonzaga though. The man was brilliant. He didn't tuck tail and run like Sanchez. :up:

Cro Cop didn't even train in a cage. On top of that he didn't even train against elbows.

I hope this lights a fire under him. He says he wants to fight Big Nog and Fedor again. With Big Nog in the UFC and an MMA super bowl coming up her certainly had the chance. Had being the operative word. No telling how this loss will affect his next four fights. He has mentioned retiring when his contract is up. Would be a shame not to have the Fedor rematch.

[ClutchBrake]

I guess I don't have a really good reason. Like you said, he hasn't fought Barnett but he has blown through the rest of Pride. I don't want to get into a Pride vs UFC debate becasue the rules and environment are different for both. Having said that, I think Lindland would have done better against him had it been in a cage (the whole grabbing the ropes thing). I'd like to see him matchup against some of the UFC heavyweights now that we've seen where Mirko landed.

The thing about that is I think fighting in a cage with elbows will only make Fedor deadlier. No one is more dangerous from guard/mount that Fedor. And that is in a ring with no elbows. Allowing him to trap someone against the cage and giving him the ability to drop elbows seems like a dream come true.

[The Flush]

I'm too lazy to look it up, but what is Fedor's record? Who, if anyone, has ever beaten him?

[mpar1]

I'm too lazy to look it up, but what is Fedor's record? Who, if anyone, has ever beaten him?


26-1-1. From Wikipedia....

RINGS

Emelianenko's only loss in MMA came at the hands of Tsuyoshi Kohsaka at the King of Kings 2000 Block B event on December 22, 2000, via a TKO (doctor stoppage due to a cut) 17 seconds into the fight [2]. The cut was caused by an elbow strike reopening a cut sustained in his previous fight against Ricardo Arona, a blow illegal under RINGS rules unless the striker is wearing elbow pads.[3] Since the fight was in a tournament format, a winner and loser was required (no draws and no no-contests) and as he could not go on in the tournament due to the cut Kohsaka moved on (the match would have been a NC or DQ for Kohsaka otherwise). He avenged the loss at the PRIDE Bushido 6 event on April 3, 2005, defeating Kohsaka by TKO due to doctor stoppage after the first round. If Emelianenko had progressed, he would have met Randy Couture in the next round

[goblue97]

The thing about that is I think fighting in a cage with elbows will only make Fedor deadlier. No one is more dangerous from guard/mount that Fedor. And that is in a ring with no elbows. Allowing him to trap someone against the cage and giving him the ability to drop elbows seems like a dream come true.
very true.

[Granny]

Cro Cop was quite a let down. He tried one kick and Gonzaga caught his leg and took him down and he never kicked again. Lame. I wonder about his "heart" when he doesn't even train in a cage.

[bareyb]

Not much to add but wanted to remind everyone there's a "UFC Fight Night" this friday on spike. Set yer TiVos.

[Knives of Ice]

Not much to add but wanted to remind everyone there's a "UFC Fight Night" this friday on spike. Set yer TiVos.


thats a repeat from a long time ago. Marquart's next fight is against Silva for the title. man, that fight night is horrible surprised they are repeating it, the main event is anways.

[bareyb]

Oh. Crud... :(