Lost - 3/28 "Expose"

[MitchO]

One word.

Para - lyzed. :eek:

I guess the haters get their grizzly fate, huh.

[ElJay]

It was interesting as a "stand alone" episode and nice to see a few old characters. But it didn't seem to move the overall plot forward at all. First we wasted time with Libby and Ana-Lucia (I actually had to look up Ana-Lucia because I had forgotten the character's name because she was so important), then Eko, now these two... So much filler, so much time wasted, so much contempt for the writers.

[Mike Farrington]

I like how they explained his bathroom visit in the Pearl. I wonder, did they re-stage a lot of the crash, or just do some heavy-duty digital insertion? Maybe a mid?

[drew2k]

This is an episode worth talking about!

For one thing, even though it could be considered "stand-alone", I loved how every "mystery" introduced in this hour was explained in the same hour, and we even had an answer about why Paulo went to the bathroom in the Pearl hatch.

Just a great touch at the end that they were buried alive! The fans hated them, so it was fitting!

Now maybe they can bring back Rose and Bernard! ;)

[Chester_Lampwick]

Watched for the first time today. I guess the eye candy lured me in. I was heavy on the fast forward so I didn't pick-up on much of the story. Is this a deserted island? What makes the TV and toilet operate? That second plane didn't seem damaged at all either.....

[scottykempf]

Good episode. Very Twilight Zone type ending.

"Who the hell's Niki?"

[Mike Farrington]

Watched for the first time today. I guess the eye candy lured me in. I was heavy on the fast forward so I didn't pick-up on much of the story. Is this a deserted island? What makes the TV and toilet operate? That second plane didn't seem damaged at all either.....Seriously? You'd like us to summarize 2.5 seasons of Lost? Here's a summary: Riddles wrapped in enigmas plague the survivors of Oceanic fight 815.

[spikedavis]

Watched for the first time today. I guess the eye candy lured me in. I was heavy on the fast forward so I didn't pick-up on much of the story. Is this a deserted island? What makes the TV and toilet operate? That second plane didn't seem damaged at all either.....

You've got to be kidding me.

[rufus_x_s]

It was interesting as a "stand alone" episode and nice to see a few old characters. But it didn't seem to move the overall plot forward at all. First we wasted time with Libby and Ana-Lucia (I actually had to look up Ana-Lucia because I had forgotten the character's name because she was so important), then Eko, now these two... So much filler, so much time wasted, so much contempt for the writers.

What's your hurry? Are you bitter because you didn't get to see the forensics hatch? Myself, I'm enjoying the ride. This was one of my all-time favorite episodes. So much fun. We're apparently in the hands of the masters here.

[Scaramanga]

I, like many others, did not like the Nikki and Paulo characters when they hit the scene last fall because they felt forced upon us. However, my hat is off to the writers, who made the payoff worth the annoyance. This was a brilliant episode, even though it did little or nothing to advance the mythology. I know many will disagree, but I'm sure just as many enjoyed this episode too.

[drew2k]

We should ask the mods to add a poll to this thread to see how many people liked this episode and how many didn't.

For the record, I liked it. :)

[betts4]

I loved the way they were trying to figure out the mystery. They were actually talking to each other and not hiding things.

I did enjoy seeing familiar faces from season one. And Billy Dee. I can't say this is one of my favorite eps, but I did like it and it was a nice break from the tension of the others and locke and jack and such.

[Scaramanga]

I loved the way they were trying to figure out the mystery. They were actually talking to each other and not hiding things.

I did enjoy seeing familiar faces from season one. And Billy Dee. I can't say this is one of my favorite eps, but I did like it and it was a nice break from the tension of the others and locke and jack and such.

Agreed. I was looking forward to seeing the aftermath of Lockes' discovery of his father on the island, and completly forgot about that until I read your post! That is how good this episode was......

[jkeegan]

GREAT episode.. I now think it was entirely worth having them in the show. :) Great mechanism to let us see some of what happened previously, but overall just fun to watch.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I, like many others, did not like the Nikki and Paulo characters when they hit the scene last fall because they felt forced upon us. However, my hat is off to the writers, who made the payoff worth the annoyance. This was a brilliant episode, even though it did little or nothing to advance the mythology. I know many will disagree, but I'm sure just as many enjoyed this episode too.
Yeah, I thought it was great that they not only got rid of characters that everybody hated, but also made fun of the fact that nobody knows who they are, and showed that they've been an integral part of the show all along.

Holy Zelig, Batman!

(Not to mention a payday for a lot of old, familiar faces...)

[acej80]

I thought it was a pretty decent episode. It reminds me of a really good movie I just watched "11:14", about 2 car accidents and the telling of the story from several peoples perspective. There are several movies like this. Anyhow, this is a LOST thread . . .
This also shows that there is more that goes on, on the island than we see, so many past theories about people not talking can somewhat be put to rest with this episode. Them finding the pearl station like that was really an interesting twist, hmm even a twist of what I just said above, apparently Nikki and Palo, never told the other Losties about this station. :eek: :confused: :rolleyes:

[drew2k]

Don't forget we also got back story with Ben and Juliet spying on Jack, and Ben revealed his plans to use Walt. I was actually shocked when Juliet asked Ben why they were doing this - and he answered!

[Dennis Wilkinson]

I thought this was a fantastic episode, even though the "feel" was quite a bit different than your usual episode of Lost (reminded me a bit of the lighter X-Files episodes in that regard.)

"...and we all know what happens to guest stars."

[astrohip]

The very fact this episode could (almost) be a stand-alone episode makes it out of place in the LOST universe. And that makes it less interesting to me. What's the point of spending one entire show developing the back story of two people who were never there, and are now gone? (Yes, I know this is Lost and they may not be really gone...) No interaction with other characters, back story didn't cross any other Losties (other than random passes in the airport), and it doesn't even advance the overall story arc. Even the glimpses of Ben & Juliet didn't really tell us anything we didn't know or assume. Yes, it was cute how so many previous events were seen from another POV (like why Paolo went to the bathroom many episodes ago when they visited the Pearl Hatch), but so what?

I guess I'm peeved for another reason. I had read some comments the creators/producers made about tonight's episode. (These would be considered spoilers under the rules.) Unlike ABC and their oft misleading previews, Cuse & Lindelof have never made grandiose statements that didn't pan out. Until now. Here are a few things they said (I'll spoilerize anyway, even though this episode is past, since it falls outside the "show")


* The Nikki and Paulo episode will be a good one and the title is called Exposé, with an accent, and it will answer a big mythological question
* We will learn more about Locke's motivations
* The gay character will appear in Exposé
* Charlie's about to get his comeuppance for kidnapping Sun last season. "That is getting resolved in an upcoming episode," exec producer Carlton Cuse tells me. "Sun finally finds out who actually did that to her. It takes place in another character's episode, but it becomes an important ancillary part of that episode."


edited to add: I did enjoy this episode, so I guess that's worth something. And I have never been in the "where are the answers?" group. I guess I just wasn't expecting a side trip this far from the main journey.

[betts4]

Interesting too that Palo got to hear Ben and Juliet talk about Jack and such.

Quite amusing that Palo and Nikki did the thing we were wondering why Jack, Sayid and company weren't doing...exploring more. They found the hatch, the plane and the diamonds. They were LEARNING about the island.

[stalemate]

A few things I really liked:

* "Let's not end up like them" meaning Boone and Shannon. Well, you did end up exactly like them. Dead and buried (not in that order) on the island.
* Paolo commenting that he would get killed if he tried to go explore that plane. Right about that one.
* All the old faces and working Paolo and Nikki into scenes where we had previously not seen them. I really would like to watch the first episode again to see how well they did with the continuity of that first scene at the crash site.
* Seeing Ben and Juliet spying on Jack.


I did not see the paralysis coming at all until she threw the spider and even then I did not expect them to get buried alive. I knew it was going to be close though because that scene was 8 hours before the burial. I really expected them to wake up in time to not get buried. Boy was I wrong. :eek:

I loved this and give it :up: :up: :up:

By the way, what traffic violations were these two guilty of? :p

[avery]

By the way, what traffic violations were these two guilty of? :p
driving Lost fans to distraction! ;)

[scottykempf]

"Why are you hitting on random guys?"

[Jstkiddn]

I loved, loved, loved, loved this episode!!

I thought it was brilliant the way they went back and explained so many of the things that people were bitching about earlier. Mostly the fact that these two characters just showed up out of nowhere. I have a feeling that this was planned all along and the writers knew just where they were going with it all.

:up: :up: :up:

This was just a fun episode to watch!

[modnar]

It was interesting as a "stand alone" episode and nice to see a few old characters. But it didn't seem to move the overall plot forward at all. First we wasted time with Libby and Ana-Lucia (I actually had to look up Ana-Lucia because I had forgotten the character's name because she was so important), then Eko, now these two... So much filler, so much time wasted, so much contempt for the writers.
I don't get this complaint. What time was wasted? Those characters were part of the story. The point of the show is to tell a story...

[mqpickles]

I liked this episode and as someone else mentioned, thought of the Twilight Zone at the end.

As soon as Artz was talking about the spiders, I figured that would come into play. How stupid do you have to be to not to think using one could backfire? And apparently she didn't remember the part about all the male spiders showing up.

Pissed me off that Sawyer tossed the diamonds into the grave. Reminded me of Titanic

[modnar]

This was a great episode. It was great that they tied this episode into scenes we had seen before and that the writers included several nods to those who complained about Nikki and Paulo.

Hurley had some good one-liners, too.

[bdlucas]

Good episode. Very Twilight Zone type ending.
I was going to say like an Edgar Allan Poe story. Same idea.

Loved the episode, and how it pulled out a thread - the Niki and Paolo thread - that we didn't even treally know was a thread. But that makes me wonder a little bit - did the Lost writers really have that thread planned the whole time, or did they make it up after the fact to pull together otherwise rand appearances by Niki and Paolo?

[JMikeD]

But that makes me wonder a little bit - did the Lost writers really have that thread planned the whole time, or did they make it up after the fact to pull together otherwise rand appearances by Niki and Paolo?

Would it make any difference? :confused:

[modnar]

I knew it was going to be close though because that scene was 8 hours before the burial. I really expected them to wake up in time to not get buried. Boy was I wrong. :eek:
Same here. I did not expect them to be buried alive!

[stalemate]

Would it make any difference? :confused:Go check the latest Battlestar Galactica thread for plenty of people who say it would. :p

[stalemate]

I don't get this complaint. What time was wasted? Those characters were part of the story. The point of the show is to tell a story...I think, for some people, if the story does not directly involve "the others" or some of the ongoing island mysteries, it is considered not really part of the story. I get caught up in that from time to time, but like you kind of said, the main thing is to just enjoy the journey. This was a great episode.

[JMikeD]

Go check the latest Battlestar Galactica thread for plenty of people who say it would. :p

Oh, I don't think I need to get involved in any more of these. :D

[bdlucas]

Would it make any difference? :confused:
Not to my enjoyment of the episode. Just curious in a "how do the writers work" kind of way.

[mqpickles]

Did you guys see a "previously on Lost" this week? At least here it started right up with Nikki running through the jungle.

[stalemate]

Did you guys see a "previously on Lost" this week? At least here it started right up with Nikki running through the jungle.Same here.

[cherry ghost]

Don't forget we also got back story with Ben and Juliet spying on Jack, and Ben revealed his plans to use Walt. I was actually shocked when Juliet asked Ben why they were doing this - and he answered!

Michael, not Walt

[bdlucas]

Did you guys see a "previously on Lost" this week? At least here it started right up with Nikki running through the jungle.
No "previously". Fitting, because the whole episode was basically a "previously on lost". :)

[mqpickles]

No "previously". Fitting, because the whole episode was basically a "previously on lost". :)Good point. Or a"previously not shown on Lost." I wasn't sure because of local storm coverage.

[mqpickles]

Oh, and I loved when Paolo said he didn't trust Artz. "We should have asked Ethen for help." Great judge of character that one.

[MickeS]

This is an episode worth talking about!

For one thing, even though it could be considered "stand-alone", I loved how every "mystery" introduced in this hour was explained in the same hour, and we even had an answer about why Paulo went to the bathroom in the Pearl hatch.

Yeah, this was an awesome "stand-alone" episode. Interesting stuff with Ben and Juliet.

I couldn't believe they actually went through with killing Nikki and Paolo! :eek:

I never understood why they were so disliked.

[mqpickles]

I never understood why they were so disliked. I think it's because we think the producers were kind of playing us for fools, sticking these people in during season 3 and acting like they've been there all along. They did a fairly good job of winking at us about it though, like with Sawyer saying "Who the hell are you?" every once in a while.

Ata ny rate, I think we're justified in disliking them now. Both were murderous, conniving and stupid.

[atrac]

Oh gawd, an entire episode devoted to the two "win a guest spot on LOST" winners! I'm sorry, but they're still not good actors.

Being on the west coast, I am only 17 minutes into it, but so far it has a very "Back to the Future Part II" / "Trials and Tribble-ations" feel to it....sticking characters into scenes that we didn't see before (you KNOW I wanted to say WEREN'T there before, but I can't really prove that).

May the end justify the means! 40 mins to go!

[stalemate]

May the end justify the means! 40 mins to go!Keep watching and stay out of this thread until you are done!

[MickeS]

I think it's because we think the producers were kind of playing us for fools, sticking these people in during season 3 and acting like they've been there all along.
Well, they have said from the beginning that there are 40+ survivors, and we've dealt with, what, less than half of that. Why would anyone be surprised or pissed off if they decide to shift some of the story to some of those that haven't been shown before?

[jurysch]

Hmph. Yeah, good standalone episode, an entertaining hour. I kinda have a feeling this is one of those that when someone goes back to watch the whole Lost series on DVD years from now they'll just skip over this one, remembering "oh yeah, this is the one where they killed off those no-names."

Good little mystery and all, but what did this accomplish? Can't we all just admit by this point we're just waiting to see how it ends, or at least a clear explanation on just what's gone on on this island over countless episodes?

This was another example of the previous week's promo for an episode totally overhyping the actual content. It seemed all wicked with Sun talking about digging a grave. In reality, the actual revelation of why she said that was 1% of the episode and hardly compelling.

Will someone please just agree with me that we're still watching week after week because we've been in on it from the start and we just want some answers already?

[cherry ghost]

Vincent knew they weren't dead.

[tewcewl]

Vincent knew they weren't dead.

Aha, that explains that scene then!

[Peter000]

Will someone please just agree with me that we're still watching week after week because we've been in on it from the start and we just want some answers already?
I can't. My philosophy is a "getting there is half the fun" type of thing with Lost. What do you want? One episode that ties everything up in a neat bow? What then? Maybe you should just give it up for now until the series finale. ;)

We all know we're probably in this for a 5 year ride, so there's no use in complaining NOW that we're not getting any answers. We have at LEAST one more season, and probably more than two left (2 + the remainder of 3).

[tewcewl]

They keep giving us dates, so we now know it's been 84 days since the crash. Does anyone think the tsunami will still factor in this storyline?

[atrac]

Vincent knew they weren't dead.

Thank you for pointing that out...I completely would not have noticed that. :)

I also loved the "8 hours ago" caption. So wicked!

Not a bad episode really. The main plot was definitely more "Twilight Zone" or "Tales from the Darkside" than "Lost," but it was fun. ;)

[lordargent]

As a standalone episode, it was OK. Interesting to see how they worked things in.

But, as a followup to last weeks episode, it's a total piece of crap.

[justapixel]

Smeeking here:

What a strange episode! When it started, I was convinced we weren't watching Lost, and thought my trusty TiVo had messed up. In fact, I was so annoyed I was going to go check the history, todo list, newspaper, etc., but my husband told me to STFU. When I saw Billy Dee, I KNEW he was wrong.

He wasn't.

It got weirder and weirder. I liked how they did some CGI edits or whatever, with old footage. I swear Hurley has lost weight. But, it was SO out of place. The story was interesting enough to keep me going, and Sawyer shirtless will do that anyway, and the pay-off at the end was worth it......but there were problems too. I recall them having to dynamite the hatch open, and these two didn't even have to dig dirt off of it.....

...all in all an entertaining tale....

but.....

....Are you listening Lost writers? No more. If you keep introducing new characters using old scenes and making mysteries out of stuff that hasn't happened, I think this show will go down quick. I mean quick. Once is confusing and amusing. If you wanted to confound us again, success! But, if it's a lazy writing trick and you are going to stretch the show out with this.......see ya.

[spikedavis]

I reeally liked this episode. Loved the scene with Vincent and loved the scene in the Pearl-however....where was Jack when Ben and Juliette were watching him? It didn't look like the Swan.

[bruinfan]

I couldn't believe they actually went through with killing Nikki and Paolo! :eek:

how do we know they are really dead?



















;)

[aintnosin]

I recall them having to dynomite the hatch open, and these two didn't even have to dig dirt off of it.....all in all an entertaining tale....
The hatch in this episode was the second one, "the Pearl"

[JMikeD]

I can't. My philosophy is a "getting there is half the fun" type of thing with Lost.

Yup. Me, too.

[jkeegan]

Will someone please just agree with me that we're still watching week after week because we've been in on it from the start and we just want some answers already?Nope, sorry.

[laststarfighter]

LOL, this is like every Lost thread for the last three years. No matter how AWESOME the episode was, there are always posts saying they hated it and question why they still watch. We really need to create two separate Lost threads every week.

For those who still dump on the show, here's a clue about this season for ya: LOST IS BACK, BABY!


"Blah, blah, it didn't advance the story in the way I wanted, blah, they didn't address what I wanted them to address, blah, blah, blah, the episode wasn't about what my preconceived idea of what the episode was about, blah." Who cares? Sit back and enjoy the ride.

One thing we did find out though: Billy Dee is the Cobra. :eek:

Razzle Dazzle!

[JYoung]

I think Rod Serling refered to it as an O Henry twist.

The story was interesting enough to keep me going, and Sawyer shirtless will do that anyway, and the pay-off at the end was worth it......but there were problems too. I recall them having to dynamite the hatch open, and these two didn't even have to dig dirt off of it.....




Uhm, no.

This was the hatch that was under the drug smuggler's plane.
In fact, you hear Ben telling them to cover the hatch with the plane.

Put me down in the "Liked the episode" column. I thought it was fun and interesting.


Although I have to wonder, how hard is it to dig yourself out of several feet of sand....


And as for next week,

Catfight! Catfight!

[laststarfighter]

By the way, my memory of season 1 is failing me. Why was Boone looking for a pen?

[justapixel]

Let me be clear.

I love Lost for the characters. I don't really care about the mystery.

Introducing new characters is confusing, especially when they did it in such a weird and jolting way. I don't want them to do it that way again.

But, I LOVE this show and I'll watch as long as it keeps me entertained. And, it did tonight, because it was different.

I realize I'm one of the few Lost fans who don't know the numbers, or can't remember details about the hatch, or whatever. :) Since it's character-driven for me, they need to expand on the characters, not insert useless ones that have no meaning. If they keep doing that, using old footage, it's going to get pretty old, pretty quick I think. And, the mystery fans are REALLY going to revolt! :D

[bpurcell]

Finally was able to watch the show tonight. I just wanted to add my two cents worth.

I REALLY enjoyed this episode. As long as they don't happen too often, I think it's great to have standalone episodes in the middle of these types of shows (I always loved the X-Files standalones).

I think I'll check out the commentary on this episode. I'd really be interested to see how they did the crash scene (recreated or reimaged)

I knew once the spider was introduced early on that it was the cause of the death, although I didn't know they were just paralyzed.

I was waiting for a "Carrie" moment at the end of the episode and see Nikki's hand pop out of the grave.

What's with disliking characters named Nikki (I'm thinking of Heroes)?

I liked how they played on the bad-actor complaint from the fans by making her a struggling bad actress doing a guest role in a Baywatch type show (bad actors galore).

Billy Dee Williams is now a part of the Lost universe. How cool is that! Maybe Carrie Fisher will do a bit part next week.

Now onto continuing the real storyline next week!

[JETarpon]

By the way, my memory of season 1 is failing me. Why was Boone looking for a pen?

Was someone (Jack?) doing a tracheotomy?

[LouCipher]

Don't forget we also got back story with Ben and Juliet spying on Jack, and Ben revealed his plans to use Walt. I was actually shocked when Juliet asked Ben why they were doing this - and he answered!


Michael, not Walt

Yeah, but based on what we have seen Ben do and how he manipulates, it is conceivable that Walt was taken to lure Michael, yada yada yada, Jack does the surgery. I interpreted the scene with Ben & Juliet to mean it all could be an elaborate chain of events planned by Ben so that he could get his surgery - triggered by the kidnapping of Walt or a prior event (plane crash?). Plans within plans within plans.

[jschuur]

Watched for the first time today. I guess the eye candy lured me in. I was heavy on the fast forward so I didn't pick-up on much of the story. Is this a deserted island? What makes the TV and toilet operate? That second plane didn't seem damaged at all either.....
In the distant future, a race of intelligent polar bears round up the last of the remaining humans and drop them off on an island with false memories. They have exactly 108 days to find all the pages of the manuscript to the only known copy of the great work Bad Twin to appease Smokey, king of the polar bears. The other group of humans that played the game 20 years ago on the same island must try and stop them, or their supply of fish biscuits will be withheld.

Wait till you see season 2!

[teknikel]

Watched for the first time today. I guess the eye candy lured me in. I was heavy on the fast forward so I didn't pick-up on much of the story. Is this a deserted island? What makes the TV and toilet operate? That second plane didn't seem damaged at all either.....

While you're at it, can someone explain the plot to me so I will know whether or not it has been advanced.

[balboa dave]

Let me be clear.

I love Lost for the characters. I don't really care about the mystery.

Introducing new characters is confusing, especially when they did it in such a weird and jolting way. I don't want them to do it that way again.

But, I LOVE this show and I'll watch as long as it keeps me entertained. And, it did tonight, because it was different.

I realize I'm one of the few Lost fans who don't know the numbers, or can't remember details about the hatch, or whatever. :) Since it's character-driven for me, they need to expand on the characters, not insert useless ones that have no meaning. If they keep doing that, using old footage, it's going to get pretty old, pretty quick I think. And, the mystery fans are REALLY going to revolt! :DThese were NOT new characters, just minor ones, so I don't understand what was confusing. This episode may not have advanced the main plot very much, but it certainly filled in a few details, and was a fun departure with a great Hitchcock-worthy twist. I would have no problem if there were a few more like it, and I am just as interested in the big mystery as anyone. I hope that every survivor of Oceanic Flight 815 gets a full episode.

[smak]

Really liked this episode. You just can't have 22 episodes at 44 minutes each of the kind of tension, and big revelations that you'd find in a last episode of a season...

Some episodes are going to be a little slower, and some might not even advance the story at all.

As long as it's an entertaining episode of TV, i don't really mind it, because I know the next episode will be back to the main story.

Which is why having 16 in a row uninterupted is a godsend, because I wouldn't this episode to be one before a 3 or 4 week break.

-smak-

[rufus_x_s]

I loved this episode and I don't want to analyze everything to death (or paralysis), but they might have opened up a plot hole with this one. If Nikki and Paolo new about the other hatch, they might have mentioned it when they were planning on blowing up the door to the first hatch. It would have been a lot easier. Paulo might not have mentioned it because of the diamonds, but what about Nikki? I suppose you could argue that they didn't know about the first hatch plan, but I thought they all gathered around to talk about it.

[cwoody222]

I loved the episode. Very entertaining!

Razzle Dazzle!!!

[Bulldog7]

In the distant future, a race of intelligent polar bears round up the last of the remaining humans and drop them off on an island with false memories. They have exactly 108 days to find all the pages of the manuscript to the only known copy of the great work Bad Twin to appease Smokey, king of the polar bears. The other group of humans that played the game 20 years ago on the same island must try and stop them, or their supply of fish biscuits will be withheld.

Wait till you see season 2!

All I can say is.... ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

[modnar]

I can't. My philosophy is a "getting there is half the fun" type of thing with Lost. What do you want? One episode that ties everything up in a neat bow? What then? Maybe you should just give it up for now until the series finale. ;)
:up: :up:

I agree!

[modnar]

I loved this episode and I don't want to analyze everything to death (or paralysis), but they might have opened up a plot hole with this one. If Nikki and Paolo new about the other hatch, they might have mentioned it when they were planning on blowing up the door to the first hatch. It would have been a lot easier. Paulo might not have mentioned it because of the diamonds, but what about Nikki? I suppose you could argue that they didn't know about the first hatch plan, but I thought they all gathered around to talk about it.
I don't think everyone knew about the first hatch before it was opened.

Also, they may have been afraid of how it would look when they mentioned they had found a hatch and hadn't told anyone about it. At that point, no one knew that there were such signs of civilizations around the island, so it would've been a big deal.

[danplaysbass]

This was a great episode. Seeing Lando in true cheesy form was great.

I am also interested to see how they did this episode. It seemed like some of the stuff would have been re-shot but I imagine it would have been expensive to reconstruct the crash. Of course I'm sure they had a lot of footage from the initial crash that didn't make the cut that they were able to pull out and use...

[cheesesteak]

This was not Lost at its best. They could have aired a test pattern for an hour and the plot line would have advanced the same distance. It focused on two meaningless, cardboard cutout, minor characters who've never had an impact on the plot. What really bugged me was that Nikki and Paulo did the "Lost thing" where they discover/learn/find interesting things on the island and then don't tell anybody about it. That's what really bothers me about Lost - otherwise intelligent characters who don't ask questions and who don't share important information. Real people don't act that way. Maybe some, but not a whole island full of people. To kill them off at the end was childish, in my opinion.

[mask2343]

Fun episode.

But Unecessary.

[Bierboy]

LOL, this is like every Lost thread for the last three years. No matter how AWESOME the episode was, there are always posts saying they hated it and question why they still watch. We really need to create two separate Lost threads every week.

For those who still dump on the show, here's a clue about this season for ya: LOST IS BACK, BABY!


"Blah, blah, it didn't advance the story in the way I wanted, blah, they didn't address what I wanted them to address, blah, blah, blah, the episode wasn't about what my preconceived idea of what the episode was about, blah." Who cares? Sit back and enjoy the ride.

One thing we did find out though: Billy Dee is the Cobra. :eek:

Razzle Dazzle!Amen, bro :D

[Bierboy]

...Although I have to wonder, how hard is it to dig yourself out of several feet of sand....Do you have any idea how heavy a "few feet" of sand can be? And it was piled in a mound above the rest of the beach, too.

[stevieleej]

Favorite line of the night...

"That money was for the orphanage!"

[TheDewAddict]

Do you have any idea how heavy a "few feet" of sand can be? And it was piled in a mound above the rest of the beach, too.

Especially when you've been paralyzed for 8 hours, and are probably not back at full strength yet either...and have no air to breathe!

[stevieleej]

Do you have any idea how heavy a "few feet" of sand can be? And it was piled in a mound above the rest of the beach, too.
Vincent to the rescue...

[wprager]

I was going to say like an Edgar Allan Poe story. Same idea.

Loved the episode, and how it pulled out a thread - the Niki and Paolo thread - that we didn't even treally know was a thread. But that makes me wonder a little bit - did the Lost writers really have that thread planned the whole time, or did they make it up after the fact to pull together otherwise rand appearances by Niki and Paolo?

+1 on Poe, I thought the same thing right away.

Spider being introduced early on was an obvious set up for later, but I didn't catch the "female pheromone" angle until reading it here.

-1 to the poster who spoiler-tagged the "big-ship-that-sank" movie reference.

Overall, the episode tied up some very small loose ends. Seeing Ben and Juliet in the Pearl did a tiny bit to advance the story (plotting to use Michael, Juliet calling Jack "cute", etc.) Who left the walkie-talkie -- was it there before Ben/Juliet came? Will the walkie-talkie now be featured in an upcoming episode as the Losties spy on the Others?

Overall, this episode made me think that they had some kind of a cast reunion and they built the story around it (except for the back-reference to Paolo using the washroom -- that was obviously thought through in advance).

Any more of these episodes and they'll have a tough time wrapping it up by #100.

[wprager]

By the way, my memory of season 1 is failing me. Why was Boone looking for a pen?

(partial smeek)
That was when Jack told him he was doing CPR wrong and then sent him off to find a pen -- Boone was thinking of doing a tracheotomy a la Radar in M*A*S*H. He wasn't planning on using it, just wanted to get Boone out of the way.

I loved that.

[MitchO]

Was someone (Jack?) doing a tracheotomy?

That is exactly why Boone wanted the pen, yes.

Oh, I know what I forgot to mention. Is it me, or did Paolo not have nearly as thick an accent until just now? I thought he sounded American until this episode. Granted, he didn't talk much, but I don't remember the accent at all before.

+1 on folks who feel mildly frustrated about characters that appear to get written off without a point.

[wprager]

In the distant future, a race of intelligent polar bears round up the last of the remaining humans and drop them off on an island with false memories. They have exactly 108 days to find all the pages of the manuscript to the only known copy of the great work Bad Twin to appease Smokey, king of the polar bears. The other group of humans that played the game 20 years ago on the same island must try and stop them, or their supply of fish biscuits will be withheld.

Wait till you see season 2!

LOL!

But you may have something there with 108. At the current rate (roughly 3.75 seasons for 84 days) we'll get to 108 after 5 seasons. They'll finish off with a huge cliff hanger and then a Lost movie in the summer to finish off all the major mysteries.

It's been done. Let's hope they can do it better than that.

[wprager]

I loved this episode and I don't want to analyze everything to death (or paralysis), but they might have opened up a plot hole with this one. If Nikki and Paolo new about the other hatch, they might have mentioned it when they were planning on blowing up the door to the first hatch. It would have been a lot easier. Paulo might not have mentioned it because of the diamonds, but what about Nikki? I suppose you could argue that they didn't know about the first hatch plan, but I thought they all gathered around to talk about it.

Someone can go back and check the chronology, but when Paolo went back to hide the diamonds Jack was already in the Swan, so that scene, at least, was after they blew the hatch. Very possible that when they first found the Pearl the hatch was already blown.

[tony touch]

I loved this episode. I know some people mentioned "Twilight zone", but the first thing I thought of was "Tales from the Crypt".

[wprager]

Do you have any idea how heavy a "few feet" of sand can be? And it was piled in a mound above the rest of the beach, too.

They would have also died of asphyxiation long before they regained enough strenght to even attempt to dig themselves out.
Edit: Crap, I smeeked. I apologize :o

[TAsunder]

This was a fun episode, sure, but it was also pretty flawed...

First, what I liked...

the whole story was very tongue in cheek, which was fitting since the characters were tongue in cheek.

this was almost a clip show of sorts, but done so well that we would never have expected it. the twist to the clip show aspect was that characters that we thought were just randomly inserted were shown to be in those other scenes, conveniently either not shown in a previous camera angle or just sort of inserted with CGI. I thought that was funny and fun, and in the spirit of the wink to the audience.

The fourth wall was totally broken down in this episode, but not really in a bad way. Many of those "why don't they do this" nagging at us were addresses. Why didn't they see the hatch the first time they saw the plane? Why didn't anyone notice the plane before? What was artz doing before he blowed up?

The baywatch stripper show was pretty funny.

Lots of totally unnecessary cleavage.

Made up mysteries answered in the same episode... again, very winky at the audience in a funny way.

Now for the bad...

I don't think the tone fit the show. The whole cheesy baywatch tv show was actually the tone of this episode as well. There was just something a little off. It was fine for a stand alone episode but I hope that the same tone does not make it into subsequent episodes. It is a little too goofy.

The most nagging problem was that the entire episode was really, really, ludicrously predictable. The instant she kissed the old dude I knew that she was going to kill him for money somehow. I knew he was being poisoned just by virtue of them eating at the table. It was obvious they were on a set after about 3 seconds in that flashback. The second they showed the spider in the artz jar, it was obvious she used that on him and got bitten by it or another one. All those lingering shots on the body even before that made it obvious they were only paralyzed. I knew she had demanded a gun from sawyer when desmond said they argued. I knew sawyer had the diamonds then too. I knew he was keeping them because he was afraid of losing her, and I knew she would flip out and prove him right.

Just overall wayyyyyy too predictable.

But I'll forgive it because it was fun.

One thing... I don't think diamonds are "worthless" on the island. For one, they could have a lot of practical purposes as basic tools. More importantly, at least some of them, including sawyer, know that the others are out there and probably have use for commodities like diamonds. $8 million in diamonds is probably useful to them and worth keeping around for trading purposes.

[Peter000]

This was not Lost at its best. They could have aired a test pattern for an hour and the plot line would have advanced the same distance. It focused on two meaningless, cardboard cutout, minor characters who've never had an impact on the plot. What really bugged me was that Nikki and Paulo did the "Lost thing" where they discover/learn/find interesting things on the island and then don't tell anybody about it. That's what really bothers me about Lost - otherwise intelligent characters who don't ask questions and who don't share important information. Real people don't act that way. Maybe some, but not a whole island full of people. To kill them off at the end was childish, in my opinion.
You don't live in the same world I do, that's for sure. :D We have a whole COUNTRY full of people who act that way.

You didn't seem to get it... these characters were just totally out for themselves. Every move they made while on the island was self-serving; therefore there was no NEED for them to tell anyone what they were doing. They wanted to keep a low profile.

[TAsunder]

I'm going to agree with cheesesteak but I think that it was intentional. They were the epitome of lost stupidity, and that's why the episode was so much fun. The writers were winking at us by showing those characters discovering all kinds of stuff and not telling anyone in the most extreme example of "Losties don't ever talk".

[jamesbobo]

Vincent knew they weren't dead.

I don't even remember anyone named Vincent. Who's he?

[kyms66]

Vincent is/was Walt's dog.

[durl]

Interesting episode. I saw the paralysis thing coming as soon Artz told her about the Medusa spider, but I did NOT see them being buried alive. Fitting, actually. The island reaped justice yet again.

Good point about Vincent knowing they weren't dead. I just let that picture slip by without wondering why the dog made a cameo.

I'm glad they threw in the peek at Ben and Juliet looking at Jack. Funny how she thought Jack was "cute." Perhaps that will come into play next week?

[GDG76]

Someone mentioned "adam and eve" from the cave in another thread- didn't they end up dead together with stones of some sort? could be a parallel as far as things getting "replayed" on the island.

I hope that eventually they give us some further back flashbacks on the island, like from Ben or even from Dharma - the guy (Workman :)) driving the van would be a good one IMO.

[Bierboy]

...Lots of totally unnecessary cleavage.........uh....nah....it would be too easy....

[scottykempf]

Good point about Walt knowing they weren't dead. I just let that picture slip by without wondering why the dog made a cameo.



Walt is Michael's son. VINCENT is Walt's dog, who pulled the sheet off of Niki and Paolo's bodies.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Good point about Walt knowing they weren't dead.
Geez, it's bad enough nobody can distinguish between Michael and Walt, but Walt and Vincent?!? :D

[headytiger]

Comments....

Did Sawyer father Sun's baby? (edited sorry)

Walt was kidnapped to lure Micheal to lure Jack.

Boone is gay? Shannon implied this at the airport.

....kept expecting the smoke monster to make a cameo. I miss Mr. Monster.

[mask2343]

Did Sawyer father Jin's baby? Huh?

Walt was kidnapped to lure Micheal to lure Jack. Why didn't they just take Michael? Did Ben say they would use Walt or Michael?

[TAsunder]

If they took michael how would they enact the rest of the plan? I'm not sure I follow.

[betts4]

Comments....

Did Sawyer father Jin's baby?

Walt was kidnapped to lure Micheal to lure Jack.

Boone is gay? Shannon implied this at the airport.

....kept expecting the smoke monster to make a cameo. I miss Mr. Monster.

Did Sawyer father Jin's baby? No. Pretty much impossible I think. And not Sun's baby either.

Walt kidnapped to lure Michael to lure Jack? - interesting thought. I will get back to you on that.

Boone gay? Why does anyone not realize that from like the pilot episode? Gay and with a sister complex?

And the smoke monster would have been a GREAT addition to the episode.


I totally did not get the 'Vincent knew they were alive' angle, but that is a good one. I did get the 'spider will get them' angle as soon as Artz mentioned it. I did like that Charlie and Hurley found Artz's stuff in Niki's hutch. Makes me wonder even more, what the other 20 or so people are doing to keep themselves busy.
I did like this as a tension breaker and a sort of behind the scenes on the island episode.

I do wonder though what more Sun will do with the knowledge of Sawyer and Charlie's kidnapping of her? If anything. But Charlie seemed so repentative and Sawyer actually seemed sorry too, so maybe she will realize that. How long ago was it? A month, month in a half? So many things have happened since then that it will probably be forgotten.

Kudos to this episode for the fun that was there. Seeing Hurley beat Sawyer in ping pong, seeing Sawyer shirtless, seeing Billy Dee, seeing the group on the beach actually working together to solve a mystery. Good job!

[headytiger]

So if nothing stays buried on the island, when will we have an episode when somebody digs up the diamonds?

[TAsunder]

Boone was bisexual if anything, being that he actually slept with shannon and seemed to enjoy it quite a bit and all.

The irony of the kidnapping of sun is that the guns were safer with sawyer anyway.

[betts4]

Hey, did Palo or Niki ever wear a 'red' shirt? ;)

And what is the actually body count now for the Island? Losties I mean, I guess.

And how about Sawyer and him tossing the diamonds in the grave? Sawyer finally realizing diamonds are worthless on the Island and make people do baaaad things. Was this his epiphany? Maybe he will change his ways? The 'old' Sawyer would have kept them.

Maybe not using the nicknames has changed him somehow.

[The Spud]

"I'm just a guest star, we all know what happens to guest stars."

[Tsiehta]

Great episode. So, can anyone confirm . . . they went back to crash footage and inserted Nikki and Paolo? Or, were those scenes shot 2.5 years ago?

[philw1776]

Absolutely LOVED this change of pace episode so much that I forgot about the Magic Box for the duration. My 1st thoughts with both useless actors seemingly dead were guilt for my bad wishes. But once we knew they were just paralyzed, as they were being buried I thought, "Geeze, I thought we were rid of them and now they're gonna raise up a hand and rejoin the cast." Bzzzzt! Wrong again!

I liked the episode setups with Arntz and the spider. The hints at paralysis by their constant cuts to the open eyed bodies, and especially when Walt, I mean Michael, sorrry when Vincent pulled the cloth off the bodies.

The purpose of a good TV show is entertainment and I for one found this episode entertaining.

[betts4]

Locke had an interesting line "nothing stays buried on the Island'. He was talking to Palo and then just a few days later...Palo is buried.

[philw1776]

Didn't they bury them a bit close to the ocean? Kinda against Locke's advice. A storm could wash up the partially decomposed bodies. Yeeech! Please, no CSI style future episode!

[TAsunder]

I saw the serpent and the rainbow, so I know those two can find a way out of the grave. At the least, vincent could just start digging. Maybe the paralysis was not fully worn off and they didn't require as much oxygen. Who knows! Also I'm not convinced those two ever slept together because we never saw it.

[Magister]

Boone was bisexual if anything, being that he actually slept with shannon and seemed to enjoy it quite a bit and all.

The irony of the kidnapping of sun is that the guns were safer with sawyer anyway.

Shannon was just his beard. He was a screwed up guy all around...

I thought it was interesting that the Others were at the Pearl that close to the losties. Wonder if we will find out how they had a special way to travel around the island.

Wouldn't they have noticed paulo had rubbed the door off the hatch? And I guess Paulo had closed the hatch when he went down the ladder.

[philw1776]

A bit of an aside but here's an LA Times article on Locke.
No LOST spoilers, but DO NOT READ it if you do not want to know when a certain story thread resumes or if you do not want to know how the writers view how relevant Locke is to the overall story.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-ca-lost25mar25,0,6719567,full.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews&vote28586935=1

[mask2343]

If they took michael how would they enact the rest of the plan? I'm not sure I follow.
They could have took Michael when they took Walt (on the boat).

Here's a question I hope gets answered. Did Ben get captured on purpose?

[mwhip]

This wasn't so bad but it was like a Lost version of a clip show.

[modnar]

This wasn't so bad but it was like a Lost version of a clip show.
There were only a handful of scenes we had seen before.

It was a lot of new action and a lot of new information.

Did you consider "The Other 48 Days" from last season the "Lost version of a clip show" as well?

[tirofiban]

The most nagging problem was that the entire episode was really, really, ludicrously predictable. The instant she kissed the old dude I knew that she was going to kill him for money somehow. I knew he was being poisoned just by virtue of them eating at the table. It was obvious they were on a set after about 3 seconds in that flashback. The second they showed the spider in the artz jar, it was obvious she used that on him and got bitten by it or another one. All those lingering shots on the body even before that made it obvious they were only paralyzed. I knew she had demanded a gun from sawyer when desmond said they argued. I knew sawyer had the diamonds then too. I knew he was keeping them because he was afraid of losing her, and I knew she would flip out and prove him right.

Just overall wayyyyyy too predictable.



I didn't see most of that coming.
TAsunder, are you also known as Desmond? :D

[unicorngoddess]

I loved this episode. I know some people mentioned "Twilight zone", but the first thing I thought of was "Tales from the Crypt".

The first thing I thought of was Outter Limits. I can't recall the TZ episode that's being referred to. Maybe someone can refresh my memory. Also, last summer I think this was part of the Stephen King's Nightmares and Dreamscapes. Only instead of spiders...

it was a snake bite. and the guy was going to be awake for his own autopsy. but they ended up figuring it out in that one, which is why i was so sure that nikki and paulo wouldn't be buried alive.

Seeing Boone actually going around asking people for a pen was great. I miss Boone.

My husband called the paralysis before they even introduced Artz and his spiders (where did he get all those jars to keep those bugs?) He said, "I bet they're not dead and that's why they keep showing them with their eyes wide open." It never even occured to me. And even though he kept saying it all the way through the episode, when Nikki bust out the spider it finally dawned on me..."Oh. I bet she said PARALYZED" I don't know. Paulo lies just seemed to really fit up until then.

I liked the episode and didn't even realize there wasn't much story advancement until I started reading the thread. I was really freaked out at the end though. I would've been just fine with the knowledge that they buried them alive...I didn't have to see Nikki open her eye just in time to see a shovel full of dirt fall on her. That's gonna give me nightmare for a while. I get weird phobias about things like that.

[7thton]

This was not Lost at its best. They could have aired a test pattern for an hour and the plot line would have advanced the same distance. It focused on two meaningless, cardboard cutout, minor characters who've never had an impact on the plot. What really bugged me was that Nikki and Paulo did the "Lost thing" where they discover/learn/find interesting things on the island and then don't tell anybody about it. That's what really bothers me about Lost - otherwise intelligent characters who don't ask questions and who don't share important information. Real people don't act that way. Maybe some, but not a whole island full of people. To kill them off at the end was childish, in my opinion.
Not true...Sawyer and the gang now have the walkie-talkie.

[brermike]

Very entertaining episode. I loved how it winked at the audience. It's nice to have a change of pace episode every now and then.

There was some dialog between Ben and Juliet as they entered the Pearl (while Paulo was there) that I thought was interesting and informative.

Ben: "Who left this open?"
Juliet: "Tom was here a few days ago."
Ben: "Tell him to cover it with the plane."

I was wondering how Paulo got into the Pearl to stash his diamonds (since it was on day 49 and the plane had already fallen and Boone had already died) but this implies that the plane didn't actually fall on the Pearl but Tom moved it to hide it from the Losties. This explains why Locke and Eko had to move the plane in order to find the Pearl.

[unicorngoddess]

Comments....

....kept expecting the smoke monster to make a cameo. I miss Mr. Monster.

When Nikki threw the spider on Paulo, I swear I heard that weird clicky-type noise that smoke monster makes. I assumed that the spider that bit Nikki just materialized from the smoke monster some how. But then I remembered that Artz was talking about the pharamones (sp?) attracting every male of the species on the island. So I don't know. But I still think I heard the smoke monster.

[jeff125va]

Especially given Locke's words about things not staying buried on the island, I'm sure someone is going to dig up those diamonds. Sawyer seems the most likely - or at least the most obvious, which perhaps makes it less likely - but the diamonds are only worthless if they're never going to get off the island. Unless they've completely given up on that possibility, someone is going to dig them up and hide them until that day. Is it too far-fetched to speculate that the bodies might not be in the same positions they were in when they were buried? I don't doubt that they'd suffocate before they'd regain enough strength to dig themselves out, but might they have enough time to at least struggle a bit? I'm sure the sand is heavy, but wouldn't it be loose enough to maybe move an arm or something?

[ElJay]

What's your hurry? Are you bitter because you didn't get to see the forensics hatch? Myself, I'm enjoying the ride. This was one of my all-time favorite episodes. So much fun. We're apparently in the hands of the masters here.

I'm just still waiting for the overall story to progress, as producers have promised many times after the amazing amount of patience we have all displayed with so much of this lethargic third season.

It was enjoyable to watch in the sense that it kept me amused for an hour. I just don't quite get the overall point of throwing two new characters into the mix, generally ignoring them for the rest of the season, and then killing them off before we even knew them. It seemed way too much like a "gee whiz, remember when that happened?" episode to foster some sort of warm fuzzy feeling in people who have watched from the beginning. (And it seems to have worked quite well in that way for some people.)

Will someone please just agree with me that we're still watching week after week because we've been in on it from the start and we just want some answers already?

Yes.

[Alfer]

It was an ok episode...it was more like watching an episode of Twilight Zone than anything else...didn't really move the story forward much IMO...

[gchance]

A bit of an aside but here's an LA Times article on Locke.
No LOST spoilers, but DO NOT READ it if you do not want to know when a certain story thread resumes or if you do not want to know how the writers view how relevant Locke is to the overall story.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-ca-lost25mar25,0,6719567,full.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews&vote28586935=1

I only have one thing to say about the 2nd to last paragraph in the article

I don't look forward to the message threads the next 4 weeks. Not in the least bit.

Greg

[jeff125va]

What was the deal with Expose? Did I miss something, or did all the characters have American accents? Was it an American show that just happened to be shot in Australia? I'd have to guess so, since Hurley had seen it. Presumably it was just obscure enough (V.I.P. comes to mind) that he was the only one who'd heard of it.

[philw1776]

I only have one thing to say about the 2nd to last paragraph in the article

I don't look forward to the message threads the next 4 weeks. Not in the least bit.

Greg


My thoughts exactly! :)

[scottykempf]

Non-spoiler bit:

O'Quinn, who had worked with co-creator J.J. Abrams on "Alias," fit the role, Cuse said, because like Locke, he "marches to the tune of his own drummer." The actor often walks two hours barefoot on the beach from his home on the North Shore of Oahu, Hawaii, to the set.


:up: :up: :up: :up:

[mightyb]

I was hoping to see Rose as well in their flashback....but no dice.

[MickeS]

What was the deal with Expose? Did I miss something, or did all the characters have American accents? Was it an American show that just happened to be shot in Australia? I'd have to guess so, since Hurley had seen it. Presumably it was just obscure enough (V.I.P. comes to mind) that he was the only one who'd heard of it.
Maybe it was an episode that was set in Sydney (obviously a reference to "Alias" ;)), or they were filming at http://www.foxstudiosaustralia.com/: "Fox Studios is located 10mins from downtown Sydney, the international airport and Sydney's famous Bondi Beach."

It's a very popular studio to shoot movies in, although I don't know if any TV shows are filmed there.

[philw1776]

I was hoping to see Rose as well in their flashback....but no dice.

Yes, burying her and her husband woulda been a 4-fer.

[cherry ghost]

When Nikki threw the spider on Paulo, I swear I heard that weird clicky-type noise that smoke monster makes. I assumed that the spider that bit Nikki just materialized from the smoke monster some how. But then I remembered that Artz was talking about the pharamones (sp?) attracting every male of the species on the island. So I don't know. But I still think I heard the smoke monster.

The smoke monster can definitely be heard in that scene.

[PJO1966]

People keep mentioning the Twilight Zone, but it was actually an old Alfred Hitchcock Presents with Joseph Cotten. He's in a car accident and is completely paralyzed, including his eyes. We hear his thoughts as he's discovered and led to the autopsy table.

they see tears coming out of his eyes and realize that he's alive

I thought it was a great episode and they did a really good job integrating old footage with new. Boone and Shannon looked different in the airplane footage, but the scene on the beach right after the plane crash was really well done.

[Rinkdog]

When analyzing the episode and assuming it was a stand alone, don't forget the Locke line to Paolo about things buried on the beach. We may not have seen the last of them.

[MickeS]

Non-spoiler bit:

O'Quinn, who had worked with co-creator J.J. Abrams on "Alias," fit the role, Cuse said, because like Locke, he "marches to the tune of his own drummer." The actor often walks two hours barefoot on the beach from his home on the North Shore of Oahu, Hawaii, to the set.


:up: :up: :up: :up:
If THAT was my walk to work, I'd do that too.

[PJO1966]

If THAT was my walk to work, I'd do that too.


Less chance of getting a traffic violation... ;)

[lordargent]

All those lingering shots on the body even before that made it obvious they were only paralyzed.

No one bothered to close their eyes for a long time.

[jeff125va]

Maybe it was an episode that was set in Sydney (obviously a reference to "Alias" ;)), or they were filming at http://www.foxstudiosaustralia.com/: "Fox Studios is located 10mins from downtown Sydney, the international airport and Sydney's famous Bondi Beach."

It's a very popular studio to shoot movies in, although I don't know if any TV shows are filmed there.
I guess if it's common for American shows to be shot there, then it's really no big deal. I didn't think that was common, but my knowledge certainly isn't anything to go on. It didn't appear to be set there, but maybe it's just cheaper for whatever reasons.

Although thinking more about it, I'm surprised that no one had recognized Nikki as an actress. It obviously wasn't a well-known show, but if she was a guest star, I'd think that she was at least somewhat well-known. Then again, it's easy not to notice even very famous people when you see them out of context, and she was probably only mildly famous. And even Hurley probably wouldn't have recognized her from the show because her episodes wouldn't have aired yet.

[jeff125va]

No one bothered to close their eyes for a long time.
I was thinking that too. I guess they were conscious throughout the whole thing?

[unicorngoddess]

People keep mentioning the Twilight Zone, but it was actually an old Alfred Hitchcock Presents with Joseph Cotten. He's in a car accident and is completely paralyzed, including his eyes. We hear his thoughts as he's discovered and led to the autopsy table.


Thank you. I thought I had gone crazy because everyone was calling it a Twilight Zone thing. And I've seen every episode of TZ. Now that you mention the car accident I remember it though. I think it starts with him laying on the ground or something and you just hear his thoughts all the way through the show.

[DUDE_NJX]

Pissed me off that Sawyer tossed the diamonds into the grave.

As soon as there's a chance of getting rescued, there will be some frantic digging! :D

Since when being paralyzed makes your breathing and heart stop? (no pulse?) :confused:


I liked that the episode told the whole story from the...uhm... end to the beginning...






Lots of totally unnecessary cleavage.


No such thing.

[PJO1966]

Thank you. I thought I had gone crazy because everyone was calling it a Twilight Zone thing. And I've seen every episode of TZ. Now that you mention the car accident I remember it though. I think it starts with him laying on the ground or something and you just hear his thoughts all the way through the show.


In the beginning we see him as someone who can't sit still and is a go-getter. From the accident on we hear his thoughts as he tries to communicate with the people around him.

[MitchO]

I guess if it's common for American shows to be shot there, then it's really no big deal. I didn't think that was common, but my knowledge certainly isn't anything to go on. It didn't appear to be set there, but maybe it's just cheaper for whatever reasons.

Although thinking more about it, I'm surprised that no one had recognized Nikki as an actress. It obviously wasn't a well-known show, but if she was a guest star, I'd think that she was at least somewhat well-known. Then again, it's easy not to notice even very famous people when you see them out of context, and she was probably only mildly famous. And even Hurley probably wouldn't have recognized her from the show because her episodes wouldn't have aired yet.

Weren't Hercules and Xena both filmed in Australia? Expose seems to fit that syndicated show mold.

[RegBarc]

When Nikki threw the spider on Paulo, I swear I heard that weird clicky-type noise that smoke monster makes. I assumed that the spider that bit Nikki just materialized from the smoke monster some how. But then I remembered that Artz was talking about the pharamones (sp?) attracting every male of the species on the island. So I don't know. But I still think I heard the smoke monster.
Ditto. Either that, or the same sound effects they use for the monster they use for spiders en-masse.

[Cearbhaill]

Vincent knew they weren't dead.


Vincent to the rescue...
He knew they weren't dead when he pulled the cover off and he knows they aren't dead now. Nothing prevents him from digging them out- at least one of them could conceivably survive if he got right at it. We haven't seen any time pass after all, and the island has granted one or two folks some pretty amazing recuperative powers.

I can't possibly imagine that everyone on that island is so willing to let the diamonds just go like that- the grave site is going to be ravaged one way or another.

$20 says Sawyers kept a few for himself, too. :D

[scottykempf]

Good episode. Very Twilight Zone type ending.

"Who the hell's Niki?"

See bold text

[TAsunder]

Since when being paralyzed makes your breathing and heart stop? (no pulse?) :confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugu

[unicorngoddess]

The Twilight Zone primarily focused on supernatural storylines. Stories that couldn't be explained by logic or science. The paralyisis had a scientific explaination (as was explained by a high school science teacher ;) )

[DUDE_NJX]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugu

Right, the functions slow down, but don't stop, obviously. You don't pronounce a person dead just because their heartbeat is slow.

[GDG76]

How the hell did Artz know that there were so many new species on the island? You would have to be an animal expert to know every single variant of the different species. And he knew trajectories and hence physics too. Seems like a guy who would be featured a lot more in a survival type scenario :)

[TAsunder]

Maybe it doesn't stop, but it's slowed enough for people to have been allegedly declared dead and awakened days later.

[Honora]

The smoke monster can definitely be heard in that scene.


I watched with the closed captioning on, and there was a caption for a "clanking sound" at the time Nikki was looking around as if she heard something (but before the spider bit her).

[unicorngoddess]

Nikki was trying to explain that it slowed the heart and breathing so much that even a doctor would have a hard time determining whether you're dead or alive. But I would guess if you had a heart monitor or something on that a machine would surely pick up a slight pulse or something.

[unicorngoddess]

I watched with the closed captioning on, and there was a caption for a "clanking sound" at the time Nikki was looking around as if she heard something (but before the spider bit her).

Do the captions also describe the noise the smoke monster make as "clanking sound?" I was almost certain that the smoke monster was going to have something to do with that scene.

[philw1776]

How the hell did Artz know that there were so many new species on the island? You would have to be an animal expert to know every single variant of the different species. And he knew trajectories and hence physics too. Seems like a guy who would be featured a lot more in a survival type scenario :)

Yes, but he 'blew' it.

[wmcbrine]

Right, the functions slow down, but don't stop, obviously. You don't pronounce a person dead just because their heartbeat is slow.Well, their only doctor wasn't there.

[mojomom]

I was wondering how Paulo got into the Pearl to stash his diamonds (since it was on day 49 and the plane had already fallen and Boone had already died) but this implies that the plane didn't actually fall on the Pearl but Tom moved it to hide it from the Losties. This explains why Locke and Eko had to move the plane in order to find the Pearl.

I can't believe that no one has proposed that we were seeing a Desmond-altered universe last night. At the airport Shannon said something about being kicked ouf first class. Weren't she and Boone "originally" in first class? I think Niki and Paulo bumped Boone and Shanonn to coach and Bernard and Rose off the flight. I was expecting to find out that so much had changed that Boone and Shannon were still alive....could still be true, but late to show. Your timeline gives support to this idea.

Someone should go back and analyze the timelines to find out additional concrete evidence of what had changed.

Boone and Shannon were in Row 9 according to the "original" Oceanic 815 seating chart. This appears to be business class. I'll have to rewatch that scene with her chewing Boone out to see if they definitely were bumped to coach. Would Shannon really throw such a hissy fit about Business class ? (Possibly!)

We did NOT see Rose or Bernard in last night's show. We did not see confirmation of dead Boone or Shannon.

Several people pointed out that there was no "Previously....on Lost" at the beginning of the show. This is a huge clue! I think there what we saw "previously" has been altered thanks to Desmond going back in time and subtly altering the flow of history which is now trying to re-adjust. Nikki and Paulo were suddenly there on the island because Rose and Bernard were not. I really don't think the writers/prodcuers were so lazy that they'd bring on these characters without more payoff than last night's allegedly stand-alone episode.

How about Locke's line about nothing stays buried on this island? (paraphrase?) Suggests that Nikki and Paulo will be back.

Would you all be happy or terribly disappointed if Boone and Shannon were now alive?

[PJO1966]

Well, their only doctor wasn't there.


Right... he was off playing football and practicing his piano.

[NoThru22]

I thought this was a great episode. I watch this show for the characters first and foremost. The mystery comes second. I have no idea why people had such an issue with these characters in the first place. There are obviously 20 or so survivors who have never uttered a word on screen, but do people really expect them to pick an extra as one of those characters? It's obvious they'd have to ease new actors in.

I loved how they brought back almost all of the dead characters and had them play a part in this episode. I think Ethan has had more work this season than the first.

People are complaining this a "standalone" episode? How does an episode that takes place over the entire run of the show count as standalone?

I thought it was great and look forward to any more such clever episodes, just like I loved "The Other 48 Days."

The "put put" sound the smoke monster makes when it's just a little wisp was clearly played before the spider's showed up.

[drew2k]

Finally was able to watch the show tonight. I just wanted to add my two cents worth.

I REALLY enjoyed this episode. As long as they don't happen too often, I think it's great to have standalone episodes in the middle of these types of shows (I always loved the X-Files standalones).

I think I'll check out the commentary on this episode. I'd really be interested to see how they did the crash scene (recreated or reimaged)

I knew once the spider was introduced early on that it was the cause of the death, although I didn't know they were just paralyzed.

I was waiting for a "Carrie" moment at the end of the episode and see Nikki's hand pop out of the grave.

What's with disliking characters named Nikki (I'm thinking of Heroes)?

I liked how they played on the bad-actor complaint from the fans by making her a struggling bad actress doing a guest role in a Baywatch type show (bad actors galore).

Billy Dee Williams is now a part of the Lost universe. How cool is that! Maybe Carrie Fisher will do a bit part next week.

Now onto continuing the real storyline next week!So is Billy Dee Williams the first famous guest star? Hmm ... some may consider that "stunt" casting ... ;)

[durl]

Quite a few people believe that Locke doesn't want off the island. That's a valid opinion but why does he have to prevent everyone else from being rescued? Couldn't he stay behind? Like some others on here, I'm guessing that Locke didn't actually blow up the sub and he's going to use that for control later on.

So if Locke wants to keep everyone on the island, that means him and Ben are the only two that seem to want that. (Ben has said that people need to believe that they can leave at any time. That's how he maintains control.) Ben seemed to want to destroy the original hatch by telling Locke that it was pointless to enter the numbers. But did Ben want something else to happen and not count on Desmond turning the key, thus destroying the hatch and closing down communication? (Now my head is hurting...)

I've wondered for some time if Locke was actually born on the island and that's why he is so connected to it. Crazy theory, I know.

[drew2k]

Very entertaining episode. I loved how it winked at the audience. It's nice to have a change of pace episode every now and then.

There was some dialog between Ben and Juliet as they entered the Pearl (while Paulo was there) that I thought was interesting and informative.

Ben: "Who left this open?"
Juliet: "Tom was here a few days ago."
Ben: "Tell him to cover it with the plane."

I was wondering how Paulo got into the Pearl to stash his diamonds (since it was on day 49 and the plane had already fallen and Boone had already died) but this implies that the plane didn't actually fall on the Pearl but Tom moved it to hide it from the Losties. This explains why Locke and Eko had to move the plane in order to find the Pearl.Here's where I was confused. When Eko found the plane it was upside down at the top of a cliff, and Boone later died when the plane fell.

In this episode when Ben tells Juliet that Tom should cover the hatch with the plane, the plane is at the top of a cliff, but appears to be right side up. So is this AFTER Boone died and there were TWO cliffs? Top cliff = plane upside down, Boone falls in plane from that cliff onto lower cliff, with plane right-side up? And then the plane is moved down on top of the Pearl hatch by the Others?

[Steavis]

It's Arzt, people. A-R-Z-T. German for "Medical doctor."

That is all.

:)

[RegBarc]

Nikki was trying to explain that it slowed the heart and breathing so much that even a doctor would have a hard time determining whether you're dead or alive. But I would guess if you had a heart monitor or something on that a machine would surely pick up a slight pulse or something.
PEA - Pulseless Electrical Activity. If you look on a heart monitor and it shows something like a normal sinus rhythm or even tachycardia, and you feel for a pulse in the neck and there is none, it's called PEA.

And you shock the hell out of PEA because it's not a good sign.

But PEA isn't that uncommon, and it also isn't that unfeasible that a neurotoxin could cause it.

[astrohip]

People are complaining this a "standalone" episode? How does an episode that takes place over the entire run of the show count as standalone?
Because it was all shown in a single episode. Start, finish. The fact it covers weeks of time doesn't change the fact the entire episode/story arc was opened & closed in a single showing. I can't recall any other Lost episode that does this. Is it a crime? No. Just different. But it seems out of place for this series. It was more like "Law & Order:SUV", where every episode can be watched on its own. Not like LOST, where every week only shows us a little, little, little bit of the puzzle.

+3 on the clanking smoke monster sound. I heard it too.

Also, aren't there two planes discovered on the island? One Boone died in, the other covering the Pearl Hatch?

[scottykempf]

Same plane.

[RegBarc]

We did NOT see Rose or Bernard in last night's show. We did not see confirmation of dead Boone or Shannon.

I could have sworn I saw Rose during the initial crash sequence in last night's episode...

[NoThru22]

TV Guide listed Billy Dee Williams as Mr. LaShade but on the show he was actually playing Mr. Billy Dee Williams.

[JYoung]

What was the deal with Expose? Did I miss something, or did all the characters have American accents? Was it an American show that just happened to be shot in Australia? I'd have to guess so, since Hurley had seen it. Presumably it was just obscure enough (V.I.P. comes to mind) that he was the only one who'd heard of it.

Weren't Hercules and Xena both filmed in Australia? Expose seems to fit that syndicated show mold.

Hercules and Xena were filmed in New Zealand.

But there have been several syndicated shows that were filmed in Australia.
The recent Lost World TV series comes to mind.
(And most of Superman Returns was shot in Australia.)

But this also may have been a bit of a dig at Co-Producer Ra'uf Glasgow (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0321877/), who worked on the Flipper revival show (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0111964/) years back.

[skywalkr2]

Same here. I did not expect them to be buried alive!

I think it sets up the zombie season perfectly.

[TRD_Dan]

Well, they have said from the beginning that there are 40+ survivors, and we've dealt with, what, less than half of that. Why would anyone be surprised or pissed off if they decide to shift some of the story to some of those that haven't been shown before?

There was also supposed to be one hundred Smurfs, but can you name more that ~10?

I didn't Smurf so!

[bdlucas]

It's Arzt, people. A-R-Z-T. German for "Medical doctor."

That is all.

:)
It's not Arnzt? ;)

[skywalkr2]

It's not Arnzt? ;)

IMDB says it is: Leslie Arzt

[DUDE_NJX]

There was also supposed to be one hundred Smurfs, but can you name more that ~10?

I didn't Smurf so!

Smurf off!

[laststarfighter]

A bit of an aside but here's an LA Times article on Locke.
No LOST spoilers, but DO NOT READ it if you do not want to know when a certain story thread resumes or if you do not want to know how the writers view how relevant Locke is to the overall story.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-ca-lost25mar25,0,6719567,full.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews&vote28586935=1
OMG, Locke is the Cobra! :eek:

[mojomom]

According to Lostpedia, Boone died on Day 40 on the Island.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Boone

In Expose, we see the scene in the Pearl hatch on Day 49, when Ben says that Tom should cover the hatch with the plane. Shouldn't the plane have already fallen on top of hte Pearl hatch by then? Am I missing something--in Expose we never saw that the plane had fallen, did we?

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Expose

If the plane didn't fall, Boone didn't die.

I am frustrated that no one is taking this possibility seriously. I feel like the writers gave us a "game-changing" episode but we're too dumb to understand it!

[unicorngoddess]

could it be possible that maybe the plane didn't land directly over the hatch door and that tom simply pushed it there after this encounter?

[stevieleej]

I know the writers are expecting us to take Sawyer's "who are you" line (to Nikki) as an inside joke, but it's totally wrong for his character. There is no way that Sawyer wouldn't have known who Nikki was. She was good looking. He would have been all over her or at least trying to be near her. He probably would have already thought up at least 20 nicknames to use.

[jeff125va]

Hercules and Xena were filmed in New Zealand.

But there have been several syndicated shows that were filmed in Australia.
The recent Lost World TV series comes to mind.
(And most of Superman Returns was shot in Australia.)

But this also may have been a bit of a dig at Co-Producer Ra'uf Glasgow (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0321877/), who worked on the Flipper revival show (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0111964/) years back.
I haven't seen all of those shows, but aren't they mostly outdoors? Expose was being shot on a regular studio set. And while it doesn't necessarily confirm anything in terms of Expose viewers since we only saw a minute or so, as Lost viewers we were clearly supposed to be surprised when it was revealed that they were in Australia.

My point is that the scenery in shows like Xena and Hercules (and Lost itself for that matter) that aren't set in real-life locations would make you wonder where they were shot and therefore a lot of people know (within a few hundred miles anyway). From what we saw of Expose, you'd just assume it was on a Hollywood set if you thought about it at all. So perhaps a lot of shows are done there and most people just don't realize it.

[mask2343]

According to Lostpedia, Boone died on Day 40 on the Island.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Boone

In Expose, we see the scene in the Pearl hatch on Day 49, when Ben says that Tom should cover the hatch with the plane. Shouldn't the plane have already fallen on top of hte Pearl hatch by then? Am I missing something--in Expose we never saw that the plane had fallen, did we?

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Expose

If the plane didn't fall, Boone didn't die.

I am frustrated that no one is taking this possibility seriously. I feel like the writers gave us a "game-changing" episode but we're too dumb to understand it!
The plane fell but did not cover the hatch. On day 49, Ben came up with the idea of Tom MOVING the plane to cover the hatch.

In other words...the plane didn't fall on the hatch. It fell, then Tom and the others moved it onto the hatch.

[betts4]

I was not surprised when they said Expose was shot in Australia. I took the same way I learn that movies and tv shows are shot in Canada and as mentioned Xena in New Zealand.

I like the point brought up that Sawyer would have known who Niki was. However, we haven't seen him show any interest in any other females other than Kate. He doesn't hanging off his arms.

[mask2343]

Thank you. I thought I had gone crazy because everyone was calling it a Twilight Zone thing. And I've seen every episode of TZ. Now that you mention the car accident I remember it though. I think it starts with him laying on the ground or something and you just hear his thoughts all the way through the show.
There was an episode of Tales from the Crypt in which a doctor had a drug that could paralyze someone for days but their mind was still in tact. He used the drug on his brother. The brother thought that he was murdered and the episode dealt from his point of view. They hung him in a meat locker and such. Just as the doctor was about to perform the embalming, he regained movement, woke up, and found that it was a surprise birthday party. It was all a joke. Then he had a REAL heart attack and died, but found out that when you die, your brain is still active and you can still feel. Final scene was the embalmer taking a saw to his head.

[wooh]

PEA - Pulseless Electrical Activity. If you look on a heart monitor and it shows something like a normal sinus rhythm or even tachycardia, and you feel for a pulse in the neck and there is none, it's called PEA.

And you shock the hell out of PEA because it's not a good sign.

But PEA isn't that uncommon, and it also isn't that unfeasible that a neurotoxin could cause it.

I would think it would be more of a severe bradycardia, and unless you feel for a pulse for a long time, you won't notice it. PEA, the heart's not beating, and no blood is flowing anywhere. Brain tissue is going to die and you won't wake up. Bradycardia, it will at least be getting a bit of blood flow.

[Bierboy]

...But there have been several syndicated shows that were filmed in Australia....Farscape!

[gschrock]

So, can anyone confirm . . . they went back to crash footage and inserted Nikki and Paolo? Or, were those scenes shot 2.5 years ago?

IMHO it looked pretty obvious at times that they were inserted. They did a pretty good job in some places, but there were others that it was blatant. I'm sure if someone went and looked at the scenes from the pilot that they wouldn't be there.

Now, my comment in the spoiler below shouldn't be read by anyone paranoid about future episodes.

While obviously it's never 100% accurate, Nikki is listed in the credits for the next episode at IMDB. Tends to make me think that she's surviving.

[Bierboy]

...Now, my comment in the spoiler below shouldn't be read by anyone paranoid about future episodes.

While obviously it's never 100% accurate, Nikki is listed in the credits for the next episode at IMDB. Tends to make me think that she's surviving.Why?... she might just be appearing in a flashback.

[DevdogAZ]

Here's where I was confused. When Eko found the plane it was upside down at the top of a cliff, and Boone later died when the plane fell.

In this episode when Ben tells Juliet that Tom should cover the hatch with the plane, the plane is at the top of a cliff, but appears to be right side up. So is this AFTER Boone died and there were TWO cliffs? Top cliff = plane upside down, Boone falls in plane from that cliff onto lower cliff, with plane right-side up? And then the plane is moved down on top of the Pearl hatch by the Others?
Boone and Locke found the plane first. At least that's what we thought before this episode. Now we know that Nikki and Paolo found it and the Pearl hatch but didn't do anything with them, and didn't tell anyone about them.

Later, Locke and Boone found the plane, the plane fell out of the tree, and this caused Boone's death.

Later still, Locke and Eko find the plane where it had apparently fallen from the tree and was covering the entrance to the Pearl hatch.

In this episode, we realize that somewhere between Boone dying and Eko finding the plane is when Paolo went to the hatch and hid the diamonds. He left the hatch open and this is why Ben told Juliet to have Tom move the plane to cover the hatch.

OK, having said that, did anyone think the Pearl hatch looked odd? The first two times we've seen it, it appears to just be a small room with a bunch of monitors and computer equipment. However, this time we see Ben and Juliet come around a corner, almost as if coming from some connecting tunnel rather than from the ladder. I just thought that was odd.

[philw1776]

I like the point brought up that Sawyer would have known who Niki was. However, we haven't seen him show any interest in any other females other than Kate. He doesn't hanging off his arms.

You forgot his 'activity' with the hated Anna-Lucia

[UBUBUB]

I loved this homage from the writers to the fans of this show. They had to top the way they got rid of the previous MOST-hated character (Ana Lucia) by burying alive the new MOST-hated characters (Poochie and Mrs. Poochie). Maybe not as violent and painful as some of us wanted, but very nice. And all of the characters told each other stuff. That never happens on this show.

They responded to the charge that they don't answer questions, by answering a few for those who constantly whine that they must have answers and they wrapped everything up in a nice tidy package for those who must have their stories told in 42-minute start-to-finish CSI banality. Nice tip of the hat guys.

[philw1776]

Me, I like banal CSI Las Vegas, but I LOVE LOST for its characters, flashback stories and ongoing mystery

[3D]

Maybe not as violent and painful as some of us wanted, but very nice.

If that wasn't a painful enough way to die for you, I'd hate to get on your bad side. :)

[TAsunder]

Why all the hate for those two? Did some of you take their characters seriously and not see them as the writers winking at us all the time? Because it was pretty obvious to me that they were never meant to be taken too seriously.

[gchance]

I know the writers are expecting us to take Sawyer's "who are you" line (to Nikki) as an inside joke, but it's totally wrong for his character. There is no way that Sawyer wouldn't have known who Nikki was. She was good looking. He would have been all over her or at least trying to be near her. He probably would have already thought up at least 20 nicknames to use.

Of course he would have, but since she hadn't said word one to anyone other than Paulo in like 40 days, it was his first reaction to her speaking. It's like Zaphod Beeblebrox telling Ford Prefect his monkey's evolved to the point of speech.

I loved this homage from the writers to the fans of this show. They had to top the way they got rid of the previous MOST-hated character (Ana Lucia) by burying alive the new MOST-hated characters (Poochie and Mrs. Poochie).

Call me slow, but... AHA!!! I finally get it! I've been trying to figure who the heck Mr. & Mrs. Poochie were in all these threads. I must have missed the attributation towards Nikki & Paulo. Duh. :o

Greg

[Honora]

Do the captions also describe the noise the smoke monster make as "clanking sound?" I was almost certain that the smoke monster was going to have something to do with that scene.


Yes, it says "clanking sound" whenever Old Smokey shows up.

[lonwolf615]

I had a different take on this episode, which is probably wrong:) But I thought by going back to the beginning and showing it through other character's eyes they were at least implying that we don't know as much as we think we do.

[NoThru22]

Someone posted a "spoiler" that Nikki is listed in next week's credits. That is not a spoiler. When Boone and Shannon died, they remained in the credits for the remainder of their respective seasons.

[bdlucas]

IMDB says it is: Leslie Arzt
;) There was a big to-do between Arzt and Hurley about the pronunciation of his name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Lost#Dr._Leslie_Arzt

[DUDE_NJX]

Of course he would have, but since she hadn't said word one to anyone other than Paulo in like 40 days, it was his first reaction to her speaking. It's like Zaphod Beeblebrox telling Ford Prefect his monkey's evolved to the point of speech.



Call me slow, but... AHA!!! I finally get it! I've been trying to figure who the heck Mr. & Mrs. Poochie were in all these threads. I must have missed the attributation towards Nikki & Paulo. Duh. :o

Greg

It's Nina and Pablo. :p

[Bierboy]

...Call me slow, but... AHA!!! I finally get it! I've been trying to figure who the heck Mr. & Mrs. Poochie were in all these threads. I must have missed the attributation towards Nikki & Paulo. Duh. :o

GregThen call me slow AND I must really be dumb; why are they called "Poochie"?

[JMikeD]

People keep mentioning the Twilight Zone, but it was actually an old Alfred Hitchcock Presents with Joseph Cotten. He's in a car accident and is completely paralyzed, including his eyes. We hear his thoughts as he's discovered and led to the autopsy table.

They all stole it from Edgar Allen Poe. :p

[JYoung]

I haven't seen all of those shows, but aren't they mostly outdoors? Expose was being shot on a regular studio set. And while it doesn't necessarily confirm anything in terms of Expose viewers since we only saw a minute or so, as Lost viewers we were clearly supposed to be surprised when it was revealed that they were in Australia.

My point is that the scenery in shows like Xena and Hercules (and Lost itself for that matter) that aren't set in real-life locations would make you wonder where they were shot and therefore a lot of people know (within a few hundred miles anyway). From what we saw of Expose, you'd just assume it was on a Hollywood set if you thought about it at all. So perhaps a lot of shows are done there and most people just don't realize it.


Most American Network productions are still shot in Hollywood.
Some are shot in New York and others which have smaller budgets are shot in Vancouver.

But as stated, some productions are shot in Australia and there is a whole market in Australia for Australian programming and films which are shot in, surprise, Australia. Sydney has a number of production studios.
(Same with Canada and Toronto and Vancouver. Due South was shot in Toronto as was Forever Knight.)

For all we know, Expose was a Australian product for the Australian market and Hurley was downloading the episodes off of the Internet.

[drew2k]

TV Guide listed Billy Dee Williams as Mr. LaShade but on the show he was actually playing Mr. Billy Dee Williams.No - on the show Billy Dee Williams was playing Mr. Billy Dee Williams playing Mr. LaShade, a "Bosley"-type role.

[Shakhari]

I thought there were rumors from the producers that this was supposed to be some sort of pivotal episode and that those two were somehow crucial to the mystery, but I didn't see anything in the episode to substantiate that.

[DevdogAZ]

Then call me slow AND I must really be dumb; why are they called "Poochie"?
It's a reference to the Poochie character from The Simpsons. There was an episode where the producers of Itchy and Scratchy felt the show was getting stale so they decided to introduce a "new, cool character" to freshen it up. Poochie (voiced by Homer) was this character. He was well received for a couple of episodes, then everyone hated him and eventually he was killed off.

[balboa dave]

People keep mentioning the Twilight Zone, but it was actually an old Alfred Hitchcock Presents with Joseph Cotten.. .
Ahem, post #68...
These were NOT new characters, just minor ones, so I don't understand what was confusing. This episode may not have advanced the main plot very much, but it certainly filled in a few details, and was a fun departure with a great Hitchcock-worthy twist. I would have no problem if there were a few more like it, and I am just as interested in the big mystery as anyone. I hope that every survivor of Oceanic Flight 815 gets a full episode.

[brianp6621]

I like how they explained his bathroom visit in the Pearl. I wonder, did they re-stage a lot of the crash, or just do some heavy-duty digital insertion? Maybe a mid?

This is the stuff that makes me think the writers actually HAVE had a plan. Or maybe that's exactly what they WANT me to think...

Oh man, I don't know. :confused:

[goMO]

I'm only on page 4, but even if you're paralyzed, don't you still have a pulse? Didn't Hurley check that? Don't you still breathe?

Also, their skin was starting to turn a nasty shade of gray - that wouldn't happen either, I would think..

[mitkraft]

It's a reference to the Poochie character from The Simpsons. There was an episode where the producers of Itchy and Scratchy felt the show was getting stale so they decided to introduce a "new, cool character" to freshen it up. Poochie (voiced by Homer) was this character. He was well received for a couple of episodes, then everyone hated him and eventually he was killed off.

Oh. I never saw that simpsons ep. I thought it was a reference to the poochie dog/doll/toy that we had back in the 80's. It had this pink hair that girls could comb. I thought Nikki's hair was vaguely reminiscent of it and that that's what everyone was referring to (I used to call Tina Turner poochie for that reason so it wasn't much of a leap for me).

And since I'm posting anyways I'll say what I didn't like about this episode, but spoilerized since it is a result of some things said in podcast:


The produces told us to be patient with the Nikki and Paolo thing because they'd be important to the story later on. I was expecting something much bigger for them (and I'm still not counting out that possibility) and this episode seemed to me like it and them could have been left out entirely and we wouldn't be missing anything.
I think if I hadn't been expecting something bigger then I would have loved this episode because on its own it indeed was really good. And Kylie Sanchez is hot! I replayed the opening minute several times :)

[Bierboy]

It's a reference to the Poochie character from The Simpsons. There was an episode where the producers of Itchy and Scratchy felt the show was getting stale so they decided to introduce a "new, cool character" to freshen it up. Poochie (voiced by Homer) was this character. He was well received for a couple of episodes, then everyone hated him and eventually he was killed off.Ah, thank you. Don't watch Simpsons, so that probably explains my ignorance (or at least my ignorance on that topic!).

[Peter000]

I'm only on page 4, but even if you're paralyzed, don't you still have a pulse? Didn't Hurley check that? Don't you still breathe?

Also, their skin was starting to turn a nasty shade of gray - that wouldn't happen either, I would think..
There was some dialog that covered that... Nikki saying something like "It looks like you're dead. even an doctor would have a hard time telling."

[getreal]

While obviously it's never 100% accurate, Nikki is listed in the credits for the next episode at IMDB. Tends to make me think that she's surviving.
Remember Locke saying to Paolo that "things don't tend to stay buried on this island"?
Could be foreshadowing ...

[MickeS]

That Nikki is listed in the credits for upcoming episodes doesn't mean much regarding whether she's dead or not, since "Lost" always does flashbacks. This episode, for example, featured 3 dead characters

[getreal]

Here's where I was confused. When Eko found the plane it was upside down at the top of a cliff, and Boone later died when the plane fell.

In this episode when Ben tells Juliet that Tom should cover the hatch with the plane, the plane is at the top of a cliff, but appears to be right side up. So is this AFTER Boone died and there were TWO cliffs? Top cliff = plane upside down, Boone falls in plane from that cliff onto lower cliff, with plane right-side up? And then the plane is moved down on top of the Pearl hatch by the Others?
No, you have the sequences wrong.

1. Boone and Locke came upon the plane at the top of the cliff in Season 1. That's when the plane dropped (almost over the hatch) and killed Boone.

2. Eko and Charlie went back to the plane in Season 2, and discovered the heroin and Eko's brother's body. Then Eko set fire to the plane.

3. Locke returned with Eko to the plane after seeing the map on the blast door when Ben/Henry was captive in the original hatch. Locke and Eko moved the plane to access the Pearl Station hatch opening. Eko climbed to the top of the cliff and saw his brother.

4. Shortly thereafter is when the search party (including Paolo & Nikki) returned to explore the monitors and toilet in the Pearl Station.

So Nikki and Paolo would have discovered the Pearl Station BEFORE Boone died in Season 1, before we ever got to see Nikki or Paolo (or "Nina & Pablo", as Sawyer put it). And, naturally, they decided to keep this important info to themselves.

[Bierboy]

That Nikki is listed in the credits for upcoming episodes doesn't mean much regarding whether she's dead or not, since "Lost" always does flashbacks. This episode, for example, featured 3 dead charactersSmeek....post #187.

[Chibbie]

So is Billy Dee Williams the first famous guest star? Hmm ... some may consider that "stunt" casting ... ;)

Don't say it... :D

[Chibbie]

Here is a summarized time line I created, based on the Lostpedia time line (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Timeline) as it relates to Ethan, Walt, and Ben:

Day 5 - Paulo and Nikki meet Ethan
Day 16 - Claire and Charlie are taken by Ethan.
Day 23 - Paulo and Nikki find the plane and Pearl station
Day 27 - Claire escapes from the Staff with the help of Alex and Rousseau.
Day 28 - Ethan shows up and tells Charlie he wants Claire back, or else he will kill one of the survivors.
Day 29 - Ethan is lured into an ambush and killed by Charlie
Day 32 - Paulo find the diamonds in the water
Day 44 - Michael, Walt, Sawyer, and Jin leave on the raft
Day 44 - Walt is kidnapped, the raft is destroyed by the Others.
Day 48 - Paulo hides the diamonds in the Pearl bathroom
Day 48 - Ben and Juliet visit the Pearl, they plot to use Michael to get Jack
Day 50 - Michael talks to "Walt" on the computer.
Day 52 - Michael leaves camp to look for Walt, and is captured by the Hostiles.
Day 54 - Ms. Klugh asks Michael questions about Walt.
Day 58 - Rousseau captures Ben, Sayid takes him to the Swan
Day 61 - Ben is let out to eat cereal, Lockdown, Ben types the numbers into the computer.
Day 62 - Ms. Klugh tells Michael he can have Walt if he frees Ben and brings Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sawyer.
Day 63 - Michael returns.
Day 64 - Michael frees Ben.
Day 65 - Locke and Eko discover the Pearl station.
Day 66 - Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer and Michael leave for the Others' camp.
Day 71 - Locke, Sayid, Nikki, and Paulo return to the Pearl.

[stellie93]

So Paulo knew it was a trap when Michael took them to the others' camp. Maybe he was fed up with being left out of the loop and just didn't say anything-- we know he wasn't a good guy(don't need any black smoke to figure that out). Or maybe they could have avoided it all by just telling the rest of the camp what they were going to do. Paulo may not have even known Michael was back when they left, or he might have warned them.

I really didn't notice how cute Paulo was until this episode. His accent kind of comes and goes. Nikki was just plain annoying. Nice to see her laying there covered in her precious diamonds. I hope Vincent doesn't dig her up. :p

[NoThru22]

Nobody mentioned that Paulo was Xerxes (the god-king) in 300.

(And Nikki being in next week's credits is still not a spoiler.)

[MickeS]

So Paulo knew it was a trap when Michael took them to the others' camp. Maybe he was fed up with being left out of the loop and just didn't say anything-- we know he wasn't a good guy(don't need any black smoke to figure that out). Or maybe they could have avoided it all by just telling the rest of the camp what they were going to do. Paulo may not have even known Michael was back when they left, or he might have warned them.

Or the writers hadn't made that part up yet. ;)

[TRD_Dan]

I could have sworn I saw Rose during the initial crash sequence in last night's episode...

I also thought I saw her being worked on by someone.

[Bierboy]

I also thought I saw her being worked on by someone.Will someone PLEASE check? :D

[jradford]

Before I read ANY of this thread, I need to post my quick stance before reading any posts influences my feelings:

That was AWESOME.

an obvious smeek: What better way to kill of two characters that the entire viewing audience hates?

[Martha]

Will someone PLEASE check? :D

Heh. It happened at 0:12.

[JMikeD]

Before I read ANY of this thread, I need to post my quick stance before reading any posts influences my feelings:

That was AWESOME.

an obvious smeek: What better way to kill of two characters that the entire viewing audience hates?

Not the entire audience. I was pretty indifferent to them, but hate? No.

[gchance]

It's a reference to the Poochie character from The Simpsons.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Poochie.gif

Greg

[brermike]

According to Lostpedia, Boone died on Day 40 on the Island.

In Expose, we see the scene in the Pearl hatch on Day 49, when Ben says that Tom should cover the hatch with the plane. Shouldn't the plane have already fallen on top of hte Pearl hatch by then? Am I missing something--in Expose we never saw that the plane had fallen, did we?

If the plane didn't fall, Boone didn't die.

I am frustrated that no one is taking this possibility seriously. I feel like the writers gave us a "game-changing" episode but we're too dumb to understand it!

The time line was fine. The plane had already fallen when Paulo was in the Pearl hiding the diamonds (it was day 49). The plane fell but was not coving the Pearl hatch until Tom moved it (new information from this episode). This is why Locke and Eko had to move the plane to gain entry, but Paulo, Ben, and Juliet did not. The line from Ben saying to have Tom move the plane is evidence that the plane did not cover the hatch when it fell. We know the plane had already fallen judging by the date presented. Make sense?

Plus, we saw Rose in the crash montage (Boone was trying to give her CPR and get a pen for a traecheotomy. Plus, when they showed the graveyard there were enough graves for Boone and Shannon.

[Uncle Briggs]

I couldn't believe they actually went through with killing Nikki and Paolo! :eek:

I never understood why they were so disliked.Me either. I thought it was kind of refreshing to see some new faces on the island.
One thing about it is, if you are a good looking female and get cast on Lost you better save your money because it will probably be a short gig.

[Uncle Briggs]

Vincent knew they weren't dead. :up: Great observation.

[DancnDude]

I think the Lost writers just couldn't win in regards to the "extra characters" issue.

First, people complain: There are supposed to be 40 survivors, where are these people?
So they give us 2 new characters that pop in occasionally to show that there are more

Then, people complain: What's the point in adding these new characters? They're so pointless....I hate them!
So they kill them off.

I think this episode was brilliant. It explains that there are other survivors, and connects them all the way back to the beginning with the current characters we know. Then it gives us a great twist ending. It even gets rid of them for those who didn't like these characters. It's a great way to try and please most of the fan base.

[devlindark]

ok so that is another hour of my life I am not getting back, man it seems that they are struggling to keep the story going here. I mean it has gotten to the point that things don't have to have a point in the story any longer and anything can be thrown in at anytime and we should just accept that it is what it is, I really don't get this show any longer
I miss the first and second season when there was some real mystery to the others and the island itself, now it's all destroyed by the past seasons that drag on and on and on with no new info insight. how many more times can I hear on a commercial that everything will be revealed and WOW nothing gets revealed. I am going to hang in there and hope the pay off is worth it though,

[MickeS]

ok so that is another hour of my life I am not getting back, man it seems that they are struggling to keep the story going here. I mean it has gotten to the point that things don't have to have a point in the story any longer and anything can be thrown in at anytime and we should just accept that it is what it is, I really don't get this show any longer
I miss the first and second season when there was some real mystery to the others and the island itself, now it's all destroyed by the past seasons that drag on and on and on with no new info insight. how many more times can I hear on a commercial that everything will be revealed and WOW nothing gets revealed. I am going to hang in there and hope the pay off is worth it though,
Maybe you should do like me and stop watching the teasers. Seems like the ones who are pissed off the most every week are those who complain that the payoff wasn't what was promised in the ads.

[JMikeD]

ok so that is another hour of my life I am not getting back,

I'll hazard a guess and say that no matter what you were doing during that time, you will never get that hour back. :D

[jradford]

Not true...Sawyer and the gang now have the walkie-talkie.
Thank you. I was worried I was going to read 7 pages of posts without seeing this. It doesn't advance the plot a ton, but it obviously will be an important asset.

[wprager]

Most American Network productions are still shot in Hollywood.
Some are shot in New York and others which have smaller budgets are shot in Vancouver.

But as stated, some productions are shot in Australia and there is a whole market in Australia for Australian programming and films which are shot in, surprise, Australia. Sydney has a number of production studios.
(Same with Canada and Toronto and Vancouver. Due South was shot in Toronto as was Forever Knight.)

For all we know, Expose was a Australian product for the Australian market and Hurley was downloading the episodes off of the Internet.

Locke was watching Expose in his apartment. This was pointed out on Lost Easter Eggs. The episode transcript includes the dialogue from the TV show and they clearly mention The Cobra.

[TAsunder]

So was ben's plan all along to exploit the love triangle between sawyer, kate, and jack? I can't imagine he planned for sawyer to live and not get murdered. His plan must have been to kill sawyer as proof that he will kill and then force jack to do the surgery in order to save kate??

[NoThru22]

an obvious smeek: What better way to kill of two characters that the entire viewing audience hates?
The entire viewing audience didn't hate them, just a vocal majority.
I really don't get this show any longer
Then you never got it in the first place. This show is about the survivors first and foremost. This episode was about... the survivors.

[NoThru22]

I think the bit about moving the plane to cover the Pearl hatch was a bit of a retcon. They had to explain how Paolo was able to get into the hatch to hide the diamonds but also how Locke and Eko had to move the plane in order to get into it. Problem solved!

[jeff125va]

No - on the show Billy Dee Williams was playing Mr. Billy Dee Williams playing Mr. LaShade, a "Bosley"-type role.
Are you making a distinction between Billy Dee Williams and Mr. Billy Dee Williams? I believe the point was that he should have been listed as playing himself, not the name of a character he played on a fictional show within the episode. On the credits for Expose he'd be listed as Mr. LaShade, but not on the credits for Lost.

[TAsunder]

I think the bit about moving the plane to cover the Pearl hatch was a bit of a retcon. They had to explain how Paolo was able to get into the hatch to hide the diamonds but also how Locke and Eko had to move the plane in order to get into it. Problem solved!

The entire episode was full of retcon. It was not bad retcon like BSG, it was intentionally funny / over the top retcon.

[jeff125va]

Most American Network productions are still shot in Hollywood.
Some are shot in New York and others which have smaller budgets are shot in Vancouver.

But as stated, some productions are shot in Australia and there is a whole market in Australia for Australian programming and films which are shot in, surprise, Australia. Sydney has a number of production studios.
(Same with Canada and Toronto and Vancouver. Due South was shot in Toronto as was Forever Knight.)

For all we know, Expose was a Australian product for the Australian market and Hurley was downloading the episodes off of the Internet.
Even if wprager hadn't pointed out that we saw Locke watching Expose, I'd still say that it seems unlikely. I would have agreed that it was a possibility, but given that all the characters we saw were American, it seemed more probable that it was an American market show. I thought of Vancouver, like you mentioned, but had never heard of Sydney being such a place for American market shows. I guess despite its distinctive landmarks, there are more than enough locations there that look just like typical American cities.

[Rob Helmerichs]

The entire episode was full of retcon. It was not bad retcon like BSG, it was intentionally funny / over the top retcon.
And it was also very skillful retcon, in that it all fit in perfectly well with what we've seen before.

[jlb]

I thought there were rumors from the producers that this was supposed to be some sort of pivotal episode and that those two were somehow crucial to the mystery, but I didn't see anything in the episode to substantiate that.

When we saw the flashback with Nikki in the house with the old guy, I just had this feeling that this man with money would be tied to Widmore or Dharma somehow. Maybe he ends up being a silent partner or investor or something. I would love it if someone with HD could go back and look at his obituary (article) that Nikki was reading from to see if there was any connecting information.


RAZZLE DAZZLE! (Made me think of O&A)

I actually had suspicions or inklings of the paralysis, the male spiders, and even the burying alive. But with that being said, I still loved, loved, loved this episode.

[betts4]

Locke was watching Expose in his apartment. This was pointed out on Lost Easter Eggs. The episode transcript includes the dialogue from the TV show and they clearly mention The Cobra.

I have to go back and watch that now.

[betts4]

When we saw the flashback with Nikki in the house with the old guy, I just had this feeling that this man with money would be tied to Widmore or Dharma somehow. Maybe he ends up being a silent partner or investor or something. I would love it if someone with HD could go back and look at his obituary (article) that Nikki was reading from to see if there was any connecting information.


Interesting point. If not a link to Dharma than maybe an investor to Walt's mother company or Dr. Shepards brother.
Is there any of the other Losties that we know about that don't have some connections? I am thinking as I ask this, and may well answer myself. The only connection I can see so far is the one mentioned - Locke was watching Expose.

[KRS]

my husband told me to STFU.

Oh, he is totally getting banned. :)

[TAsunder]

And it was also very skillful retcon, in that it all fit in perfectly well with what we've seen before.

Yeah. They pretty much could have had nikki and paolo discover all kinds of secrets well ahead of time since they were partly making fun of their own losties don't talk writing.

[ducker]

So has anyone actually gone back and watched the first episode of season 1 to see if they can see either of those 2 characters?

Overall I liked the episode a lot. The fact that it showed a different point of view of what was going on with some of the people on the island during their stay there. It was extremely odd that Paulo never mentioned that he found another hatch - especially after they discovered The Swan. Then again, he was hiding his diamonds there, so he didn't want anyone there at all.

I too heard the clicky noise after Nikki threw the spider on to Paulo. I'm thinking it has something to do with that "black box" that Ben was talking about last week.

Think about it, if that black box can materialize what someone is thinking about, perhaps it materializes ones worst fears...

Nikki KNEW that the pheromones of that spider would attract more of the species. Who's to say if there were any in the area... In knowing that if they were she was terrified that she too could get paralyzed... And then the friendly "monster/black box"dropped off some.

Hurley's imaginary friend - reminding him of his time in the asylum
Walt's Polar Bear
Echo's Brother (which Echo dis-believed, and then it turned in to some type of machine?)
A random black horse - not sure I get this.
Lock's Father.

Think about the first time Echo confronted the black smoke... near the water... He stared right at it... nothing happened.. nothing at all. My guess is because Echo was not afraid of ANYTHING...

I think the two are connected some how.

And I also think there were some serious answers in this episode then people are giving credit to. They are just very subtle.

Jullete didn't seem at ALL dissatisfied with Ben when they were talking in The Pearl. And now she wants off the island and everything? I know things can change, but they seem to be quite comfortable with one another, and Ben was extremely open with how he manipulates people. I think that he's using her, with her knowledge still, to control Jack.

[jeff125va]

So has anyone actually gone back and watched the first episode of season 1 to see if they can see either of those 2 characters?.
I'm planning on doing a split-screen comparison this weekend. I'm trying to remember if there have been any other episodes where they've flashed back to the initial beach crash scene, other than the pilot.

[hefe]

Fun episode.

But Unecessary.
This is television.

Statement 1 means that statement 2 is irrelevant.