Lost - 3/28 "Expose"

[Lee L]

Wow, I thought this was an awesome episode. I thought it fit nicely and tied some things together in a cool way. I also liked the whole Sawyer who are you thing. Nice to see them actually poke fun at people a littel.

I definitely heard the clicky-clack sound of the smoke monster when the spiders came out.

I also liked the TZ, Outer Limits, Tales from the Crypt , Hitchcock, whatever homage as well.

[danterner]

Some general thoughts:

1. I loved this episode! On the whole, I think the second "pod" of episodes this season has been strong. I loved the first season of lost, liked the second season, began getting weary in the first part of season 3, and now I'm back to loving it again.

2. Like unicorngoddess, my thoughts went not to E.A. Poe, Twilight Zone, Hitchcock, or Tales from the Crypt, but rather to Stephen King and his story "Autopsy Room 4" - I think that's what it was called, anyway, especially considering the writers' professed love of things King. All are valid comparisons, though.

3. I couldn't put my finger on it until closer to the end, but near the beginning of the episode I looked at my wife and said "something's not right, here - they are doing flashbacks for two characters that are dead, and when the flashbacks conclude the camera focuses on the 'corpse' as if the corpse was having the flashback - how can that be?" The answer (that they weren't in fact dead) didn't strike me until much later. Nicely done.

4. One thing that remains confusing to me is Vincent's presence on the island. Didn't they make a point of showing that Vincent was on the boat with Michael and Waaalt when they left the island? How is it that he's back? He's been in a couple of episodes, now.

5. Regarding Arzt:

How the hell did Artz know that there were so many new species on the island? You would have to be an animal expert to know every single variant of the different species. And he knew trajectories and hence physics too. Seems like a guy who would be featured a lot more in a survival type scenario :)

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Arzt is full of it and just basically makes things up - his character reminds me a bit of Cliff, from Cheers, only pompous. He helped Nikki and Paulo map out the trajectory for where they could find the suitcase and they found it there not because that's necessarily where it really landed, but because that's where the "magic box" manifested it for them to find. Kind of like Charlie's guitar just happening to be right above Locke and Charlie in Season 1... the island will provide. Or, for that matter, just as the Haliburton case was in that same spot, for Sawyer and Kate to find. And Arzt isn't an animal expert that knows every single variant of the different species - he was basically just making it up. But because he believes "this is a deadly Medusa spider that can paralyze its victim and whose pheremones attract other spiders from miles around," and because Nikki believed him, the island made it so. We heard the clacking noise when Nikki threw the spider at Paulo because - poof - it was that magic box again, manifesting spiders to be consistent with Nikki and Paulo's belief about what should happen next.

[JYoung]

Locke was watching Expose in his apartment. This was pointed out on Lost Easter Eggs. The episode transcript includes the dialogue from the TV show and they clearly mention The Cobra.


Ok, I missed that one.

[JYoung]

4. One thing that remains confusing to me is Vincent's presence on the island. Didn't they make a point of showing that Vincent was on the boat with Michael and Waaalt when they left the island? How is it that he's back? He's been in a couple of episodes, now.



No.

[unicorngoddess]

4. One thing that remains confusing to me is Vincent's presence on the island. Didn't they make a point of showing that Vincent was on the boat with Michael and Waaalt when they left the island? How is it that he's back? He's been in a couple of episodes, now.


No. They made it a point to show that Walt left him behind. He left him with Shannon because Shannon had just lost Boone and she had no one. That's why when Vincent ran off she was so upset because she was responsible for him. It was the first thing anyone let her be responsible for. Then she ended up chasing him into the woods and seeing Walt.

[danterner]

No.

Okay, I've determined the following:

On the Season 2 DVD Extras Vincent was seen in the boat with Michael and Walt, however in the episode itself he was not seen at all. So 'canon' is that he was not on the boat and remained behind on the island, but there is a deleted scene that shows him leaving with Michael and Walt.

[danterner]

No. They made it a point to show that Walt left him behind. He left him with Shannon because Shannon had just lost Boone and she had no one. That's why when Vincent ran off she was so upset because she was responsible for him. It was the first thing anyone let her be responsible for. Then she ended up chasing him into the woods and seeing Walt.

That's when they left on the raft. I was talking about when they left on the Others' boat after Michael made his deal with them (but, as indicated above - mystery solved anyway).

[ireland967]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Arzt is full of it and just basically makes things up

I think this has to be the case, or we're just meant to suspend disbelief for sake of the story. If he discovered an entirely new species of spider, how would he know that the release of its pheremones would attract a slew of males immediately, and that its bite paralyzes victims for around 8 hours?

Great episode though, and I don't think we're done with these two. They either somehow live (unlikely), or their past actions come up again.

[philw1776]

Jullete didn't seem at ALL dissatisfied with Ben when they were talking in The Pearl. And now she wants off the island and everything? I know things can change, but they seem to be quite comfortable with one another, and Ben was extremely open with how he manipulates people. I think that he's using her, with her knowledge still, to control Jack.

That was BEFORE she was exposed to Jack and his pheremones that attract females and destroy their ability to think rationally. I have lots of experience with this problem.

(Joking - please do not tell wife)

[unicorngoddess]

That's when they left on the raft. I was talking about when the left on the Others' boat after Michael made his deal with them (but, as indicated above - mystery solved anyway).

Oh. Sorry, my bad. Either way though, Walt was never reunited with Vincent because Michael and them surely didn't take the dog with them on the journey to the other side of the island where they were ambushed.

[scottykempf]

Podcast for "Expose" is now online.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcast?pn=podcast

[Big_Daddy]

Overall, an enjoyable episode. I wish it had moved the overall storyline along, but even without doing so, it was a nice stand-alone ep. It was also VERY interesting to see how the cast tried to unravel the riddle of what happened to Nikki and Paolo - and were way off the mark. I guess this is a broad hint of what to expect as further secrets are revealed.

My question is if the events in this episode have any long-term significance:
1. Will someone try to dig up the grave to get the diamonds? If so, they may be in for a surprise when they see the corpses were clawing at the dirt.

2. So Sawyer found the walkie-talkie that Paolo found in the hatch, and assumed he was working with the Others. Which he wasn't. Will this suspicion further fuel the anger he has towards the Others?

[DevdogAZ]

I think this has to be the case, or we're just meant to suspend disbelief for sake of the story. If he discovered an entirely new species of spider, how would he know that the release of its pheremones would attract a slew of males immediately, and that its bite paralyzes victims for around 8 hours?

Great episode though, and I don't think we're done with these two. They either somehow live (unlikely), or their past actions come up again.
I think the two statements were independent of one another. He told of finding new species, and then he told about the Medusa spider. It didn't mean that the spider was one of the new species.

[philw1776]

2. So Sawyer found the walkie-talkie that Paolo found in the hatch, and assumed he was working with the Others. Which he wasn't. Will this suspicion further fuel the anger he has towards the Others?

They kept trying to kill him. Were it I, I would not need any additional motivation beyond that, but maybe Sawyer's a kinder, gentler person.

[Bierboy]

...1. Will someone try to dig up the grave to get the diamonds? If so, they may be in for a surprise when they see the corpses were clawing at the dirt....Negative....first of all it was sand and not dirt, and there won't be any signs they were clawing at anything. They pretty much died immediately of suffocation (of course, if they even died!).

[Lee L]

Exactly Bierboy. I assume that since they lost use of their hands well before they lost use of their eyes and mouth that the reverse will occur. They will suffocate in a couple of minutes or so because they just can;t move anything else.

[Cearbhaill]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Arzt is full of it and just basically makes things up - his character reminds me a bit of Cliff, from Cheers, only pompous...... And Arzt isn't an animal expert that knows every single variant of the different species - he was basically just making it up.
Of course it was BS. Even if he was an expert on every sort of insect and spider and animal in the world he still couldn't designate something a "new species" without some great magnification tools and a pile of reference books.

Nikki was hot, he was not, so he dazzled her with bogus brilliance.

[jlb]

This image doesn't get in close enough to read the article itself (per my hope above of a connection to Dharma, Widmore, etc.), but I do find the name of the paper to be quite interesting, Brotha.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/199/picture1pk7.jpg

[philw1776]

Of course it was BS. Even if he was an expert on every sort of insect and spider and animal in the world he still couldn't designate something a "new species" without some great magnification tools and a pile of reference books.

Nikki was hot, he was not, so he dazzled her with bogus brilliance.

It's not a good idea to give away the secrets of middle aged male behaviour to hotties on a forum that women can access.

[gchance]

It's not a good idea to give away the secrets of middle aged male behaviour to hotties on a forum that women can access.

:up: :up: :up:

Greg

[mitkraft]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Arzt is full of it and just basically makes things up - his character reminds me a bit of Cliff, from Cheers, only pompous. He helped Nikki and Paulo map out the trajectory for where they could find the suitcase and they found it there not because that's necessarily where it really landed, but because that's where the "magic box" manifested it for them to find...... And Arzt isn't an animal expert that knows every single variant of the different species - he was basically just making it up. But because he believes "this is a deadly Medusa spider that can paralyze its victim and whose pheremones attract other spiders from miles around," and because Nikki believed him, the island made it so. We heard the clacking noise when Nikki threw the spider at Paulo because - poof - it was that magic box again, manifesting spiders to be consistent with Nikki and Paulo's belief about what should happen next.

I think this is a very good theory. It would also fit very well with how Arzt blew up. He was talking about how dangerous and unstable the TNT was and BOOM, self fulfilling prophecy. I don't give the writers enough credit to believe that they are this clever and this subtle so Iamb not holding my breath or betting that it is their plan all along, but it would fit with how things happened for him.

Podcast for "Expose" is now online.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcast?pn=podcast

Does anyone know a way to download the podcasts (audio or video) other than a screen or sound recorder? Id like to download them to my phone so I can listen to them offline.

[mitkraft]

Nikki was hot, he was not, so he dazzled her with bogus brilliance.

That's always been my motto! You know what they say:

If you can't Dazzle them with Brilliance, Baffle them with Bull S#$^!

[scottykempf]

When you go to the ABC website, where it says "download" for the podcast, instead of left clicking on the link, right click instead and you will get a download "save as" screen.

[mitkraft]

When you go to the ABC website, where it says "download" for the podcast, instead of left clicking on the link, right click instead and you will get a download "save as" screen.

Thank you! I didn't dig around and see the audio only version. I went right to the video podcast. Since those two goofs are just sitting around talking I don't suppose its worth the trouble to try and get the video.

[lew]

I agree but it wouldn't be hard to bring them back. One flash back showing Vincent digging them out immediately after everyone else leaves. Next scene showing them replacing the sand and then off to the jungle. They could come back alive next week, next season or even the last episode.

A lot more plausible then.....a lot of posters don't like spoilers but there are tons of shows that brought back characters with a lot less to go with. Think of the way Patrick Duffy was brought back.



Great episode though, and I don't think we're done with these two. They either somehow live (unlikely), or their past actions come up again.

[philw1776]

I am begging you people, do not, DO NOT, give the writers any ideas how to bring back that loathsome pair

[jeff125va]

Overall, an enjoyable episode. I wish it had moved the overall storyline along, but even without doing so, it was a nice stand-alone ep. It was also VERY interesting to see how the cast tried to unravel the riddle of what happened to Nikki and Paolo - and were way off the mark. I guess this is a broad hint of what to expect as further secrets are revealed.

My question is if the events in this episode have any long-term significance:
1. Will someone try to dig up the grave to get the diamonds? If so, they may be in for a surprise when they see the corpses were clawing at the dirt.

2. So Sawyer found the walkie-talkie that Paolo found in the hatch, and assumed he was working with the Others. Which he wasn't. Will this suspicion further fuel the anger he has towards the Others?
I brought up the possibility of #1 a couple pages back, and I do think that someone will try to dig up the diamonds (and that everyone will assume it's Sawyer). But I agree with the other responses that it wouldn't make sense. And it may not be that someone digs up the bodies; they could get washed up by the high tide Locke was talking about before anyone gets around to going after the diamonds.

[hefe]

3. I couldn't put my finger on it until closer to the end, but near the beginning of the episode I looked at my wife and said "something's not right, here - they are doing flashbacks for two characters that are dead, and when the flashbacks conclude the camera focuses on the 'corpse' as if the corpse was having the flashback - how can that be?" The answer (that they weren't in fact dead) didn't strike me until much later. Nicely done.
There's really no reason to assume that flashbacks have to be done for live characters, or even that the characters themselves are actually having those memories at that time. I consider it to just be a storytelling technique constructed for us, not specifically integrated into the character's thoughts at the moment.

[mqpickles]

It's not a good idea to give away the secrets of middle aged male behaviour to hotties on a forum that women can access.Because until now, we had no idea that kind of thing goes on. ;)

[jeff125va]

There's really no reason to assume that flashbacks have to be done for live characters, or even that the characters themselves are actually having those memories at that time. I consider it to just be a storytelling technique constructed for us, not specifically integrated into the character's thoughts at the moment.
I absolutely agree, but it makes me wonder... are the flashbacks in this show always entirely from the perspective of the Lost character? I.e., is there always a Lost person in every flashback scene, or are we occasionally shown things that the Lost person doesn't know about him/herself?

[gchance]

I absolutely agree, but it makes me wonder... are the flashbacks in this show always entirely from the perspective of the Lost character? I.e., is there always a Lost person in every flashback scene, or are we occasionally shown things that the Lost person doesn't know about him/herself?

This goes hand in hand with what the flashbacks ARE. They're character development. They aren't what the character is remembering happened, it's what happened, whether the character knows about it or not.

This was unimportant to plot in this example, but remember Hurley at the airport, rushing to make the flight? He ran by as we saw a soccer team, the numbers of which were Hurley's numbers. They had their backs to the camera. Hurley didn't see the numbers, but we did... they were there.

The flashbacks are for our benefit, for the story's benefit, and not the characters' benefits.

Greg

[Chibbie]

It was also VERY interesting to see how the cast tried to unravel the riddle of what happened to Nikki and Paolo - and were way off the mark. I guess this is a broad hint of what to expect as further secrets are revealed.

Kind of like what happens here every week :D


Thank you! I didn't dig around and see the audio only version. I went right to the video podcast. Since those two goofs are just sitting around talking I don't suppose its worth the trouble to try and get the video.

There is no audio-only version of the video podcast, it was just video-only that week. The last video podcast was from January.

The ABC website (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcast?pn=podcast) has the last 14 audio podcasts available to download, and Lostpedia (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Portal:Official_%27Lost%27_Podcast) has most of the rest of them going back to 2005.

[scottykempf]

For those who haven't listened to the podcast for Expose, theirs a great bit about Vincent and the finale. LOL

[danterner]

Nikki was hot, he was not, so he razzle dazzled her with bogus brilliance.

Fixed your post.

[danterner]

I think this is a very good theory. It would also fit very well with how Arzt blew up. He was talking about how dangerous and unstable the TNT was and BOOM, self fulfilling prophecy. I don't give the writers enough credit to believe that they are this clever and this subtle so I am not holding my breath or betting that it is their plan all along, but it would fit with how things happened for him.

Thanks! I agree that Arzt's blowing up fits into this, and nearly posted as much when I originally posted the above. I don't think that this is limited to Arzt. I think the island is basically a special place where, if you believe something strongly enough, it manifests. Walt was "a very special boy" because he was able to do the same thing, even before coming to the island. Locke is another example of this in action - he believed himself into being a non-paralyzed man-of-action, and, upon arrival to the island, so it came to be.

[gchance]

For those who haven't listened to the podcast for Expose, theirs a great bit about Vincent and the finale. LOL

Theirs? Who are they? Others?

Greg

[Bierboy]

Theirs? Who are they? Others?

GregPull over to the side of the road....here come the Grammar Police :D

[ducker]

Some general thoughts:

5. Regarding Arzt:

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Arzt is full of it and just basically makes things up -
....
And Arzt isn't an animal expert that knows every single variant of the different species - he was basically just making it up. But because he believes "this is a deadly Medusa spider that can paralyze its victim and whose pheremones attract other spiders from miles around," and because Nikki believed him, the island made it so. We heard the clacking noise when Nikki threw the spider at Paulo because - poof - it was that magic box again, manifesting spiders to be consistent with Nikki and Paulo's belief about what should happen next.

Now I think you might have something here... Arzt does(edit. DID) seem to be a bit clueless overall. He was a real boob when dealing with the dynamite.

But I thought I didn't hear the clicks, until AFTER Paulo killed the initial spider.

Anyone remember?

[jkeegan]

I too heard the clicky noise after Nikki threw the spider on to Paulo. I'm thinking it has something to do with that "black box" that Ben was talking about last week.

Think about it, if that black box can materialize what someone is thinking about, perhaps it materializes ones worst fears...

Nikki KNEW that the pheromones of that spider would attract more of the species. Who's to say if there were any in the area... In knowing that if they were she was terrified that she too could get paralyzed... And then the friendly "monster/black box"dropped off some.

Hurley's imaginary friend - reminding him of his time in the asylum
Walt's Polar Bear
Echo's Brother (which Echo dis-believed, and then it turned in to some type of machine?)
A random black horse - not sure I get this.
Lock's Father.

Think about the first time Echo confronted the black smoke... near the water... He stared right at it... nothing happened.. nothing at all. My guess is because Echo was not afraid of ANYTHING...

Whoa, interesting post.. You're right - everything (that you listed, at least) that "appeared" on the island is something that one of the Losties was afraid of (or could be, in the case of Walt, even though the bears have a believable "normal" explanation if they can swim between islands).. Kate's memory of the horse is being startled that it was there, leading to a car crash. Hurley's afraid that Dave has returned and that Hurley is sick. Eko was probably afraid of having to face his brother after the things he did. And Locke obviously fears his father.

Maybe the black smoke is a defense mechanism after all (as Danielle said), and it scans you to find your fears.. It scanned Eko that first time, and saw nothing.. (And remember, John hasn't seen the black smoke, at least not in the form of black smoke.. Eko described it, and John said that wasn't what he saw).

Jullete didn't seem at ALL dissatisfied with Ben when they were talking in The Pearl. And now she wants off the island and everything? I know things can change, but they seem to be quite comfortable with one another, and Ben was extremely open with how he manipulates people. I think that he's using her, with her knowledge still, to control Jack.Yeah but in the first episode of the season we see the book club argument and there's some dissatisfaction there.. Unless they're also trying to trick some portion of their own population of Others, there was no good audience to see that "faked hostility".

[jkeegan]

There's really no reason to assume that flashbacks have to be done for live characters, or even that the characters themselves are actually having those memories at that time. I consider it to just be a storytelling technique constructed for us, not specifically integrated into the character's thoughts at the moment.Yeah now see I disagree a bit here.. So far, they have all been for live characters, and for all we know that could turn out to be very relevant (they're all sitting in a cold room on that island, strapped to tables, and someone's implanting or triggering memories, etc).

When we saw Nikki's first flashback (RAZZLE DAZZLE!), it was normal.. Then she "died".. The next flashback wasn't like that - it had a caption (I forget the number of days, but something like "80 days earlier"). I actually paused the show at that point and told my wife that I thought that was the first time we'd ever seen that - a flashback for a dead person - and that it was particularly cool/interesting that they didn't do it like a regular flashback, but rather as a "here's what happened previously"-captioned moment..

Later in the episode I thought "ah, this is more like a "other 48 days" episode, almost forgetting the actual pre-crash flashbacks we'd seen..

[ducker]

Maybe the black smoke is a defense mechanism after all (as Danielle said), and it scans you to find your fears.. It scanned Eko that first time, and saw nothing.. (And remember, John hasn't seen the black smoke, at least not in the form of black smoke.. Eko described it, and John said that wasn't what he saw).


Didn't Lock see it in the first season.... Lock was running away from it and it got him and started pulling him down into a hole in the ground. Perhaps he never really saw it, he was running away.

Also... earlier when Lock and Boone were exploring the plane. When John was losing the feeling in his legs again, I wonder if during those times we EVER heard the clicks... I wish I could find which episode that was, and go back to watch it and check...

[Rob Helmerichs]

Pull over to the side of the road....here come the Grammar Police :D
Just be careful you don't attract the attention of the Grammar Nazis, with their camps...

[Lee L]

Now I think you might have something here... Arzt does(edit. DID) seem to be a bit clueless overall. He was a real boob when dealing with the dynamite.

But I thought I didn't hear the clicks, until AFTER Paulo killed the initial spider.

Anyone remember?


I am fairly certain that the noises only started just before the other spiders started coming out from everywhere.

[mqpickles]

I absolutely agree, but it makes me wonder... are the flashbacks in this show always entirely from the perspective of the Lost character? I.e., is there always a Lost person in every flashback scene, or are we occasionally shown things that the Lost person doesn't know about him/herself?Mostly, the flashback character is in every flashback scene. The only sort-of exception I remember is that sometimes with Jin and Sun and also with Michael and Walt, they have shown it as one person's flashback, but there is a scene where only the other one is there. And I can't at this point I can't think of any specifics.

[astrohip]

For those who haven't listened to the podcast for Expose, there's a great bit about Vincent and the finale. LOL
Anyone care to post a summary of this podcast? For those of us who are caption-viewers, podcasts are about as useful as a string condom.

[mqpickles]

Anyone care to post a summary of this podcast? For those of us who are caption-viewers, podcasts are about as useful as a string condom.You may already know this, but Lostpedia has transcripts. But they don't have this week's up yet. But they do have last week's, so this week's should be up fairly soon.
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast_transcript/March_26%2C_2007

Of course, that doesn't help you now. I haven't listened to the podcast, or I'd do better for you.

[danterner]

Locke was watching Expose in his apartment. This was pointed out on Lost Easter Eggs. The episode transcript includes the dialogue from the TV show and they clearly mention The Cobra.

Also, in the Desmond-centric episode "Flashes Before Your Eyes," there's a soccer match shown on a television. Around the soccer field are advertisements for various Lost-centric things. There are ads for Mr. Clucks, Apollo candybars, Gannon Car Rentals, the Hanso Foundation, Bubbies diapers (the brand Charlie did the commercial for), Oceanic Airlines, and... wait for it... Expose.

Credit where credit is due: not my find. Just saw it on an easter egg site. Here's a link: http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=220

[tewcewl]

Which episode was it where Locke was watching "Expose"?

[mqpickles]

Which episode was it where Locke was watching "Expose"?13

[MickeS]

I'm planning on doing a split-screen comparison this weekend. I'm trying to remember if there have been any other episodes where they've flashed back to the initial beach crash scene, other than the pilot.
I think they flashed back to it a couple of times before... didn't they do a flashback to that scene in the episode where we learn locke used to be paralyzed?

They probably keep the set stored so they can go back to it.

[getreal]

RAZZLE DAZZLE! (Made me think of O&A)
:confused: O&A? :confused:
Why do people use acronyms for obscure references? Not everybody who reads these forums knows what every acronym stands for. :confused:

[aindik]

:confused: O&A? :confused:
Why do people use acronyms for obscure references? Not everybody who reads these forums knows what every acronym stands for. :confused:

O&A will not be happy to hear that you think "O&A" is an obscure reference. :)

O&A are Opie and Anthony.

[getreal]

That's always been my motto! You know what they say:

If you can't Dazzle them with Brilliance, Baffle them with Bull S#$^!
Or, in Nikki's case, if you can't Razzle Dazzle her ... :p

[getreal]

There's really no reason to assume that flashbacks have to be done for live characters, or even that the characters themselves are actually having those memories at that time. I consider it to just be a storytelling technique constructed for us, not specifically integrated into the character's thoughts at the moment.
Still waiting for Vincent's flashback episode.
Chasing cars, sniffing crotches, eating crap, licking himself ... ehh, on second thought, maybe we can do without Vincent's flashback episode ... :D

[DevdogAZ]

I think they flashed back to it a couple of times before... didn't they do a flashback to that scene in the episode where we learn locke used to be paralyzed?

They probably keep the set stored so they can go back to it.
No way they re-shot any of the post crash footage for this episode. IIRC, the pilot was one of the most expensive hours of TV ever produced. There's no way they recreated that whole thing just for a few seconds of flashback footage. I guaranatee they've got miles of footage from the pilot in storage and it wouldn't be hard to digitally insert someone into those shots. I'd bet my house that this is what they did in this episode.

[super dave]

Goodbye hottie

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/shared-blogs/palmbeach/thompson/kiele_l.jpg

[BuckAv]

Still waiting for Vincent's flashback episode.
Chasing cars, sniffing crotches, eating crap, licking himself ... ehh, on second thought, maybe we can do without Vincent's flashback episode ... :D

Back in the days of season one, I know that TPTB said they strongly considered a Vincent flashback episode, but decided that they couldn't get enough "emotional range" out of a dog, or something like that.

[betts4]

Okay here is what I thought about today.

If Nikki was bitten and KNEW she would be paralyzed...why the hell take time to bury diamonds?

Why not stick them in your underwear (as paolo did) and then get to help before you seize up.

She was able to say sort of two words. If she had not stopped to bury diamonds could she have squeeked out some more to let them know not to bury her?

[betts4]

Back in the days of season one, I know that TPTB said they strongly considered a Vincent flashback episode, but decided that they couldn't get enough "emotional range" out of a dog, or something like that.

And there is a NEW Vincent in town. :) I really like Vincent. They could do a flashback...it would be fun.

http://starbulletin.com/2007/03/25/features/story01.html

[Fraser+Dief]

I thought this was a great episode. I have no idea why people had such an issue with these characters in the first place.

Me neither. Didn't even know anyone had any issues with them until reading the misplaced vitriol towards them here. I actually kind of liked them.

The entire viewing audience didn't hate them, just a vocal majority.

Vocal *minority*.

Also, in the Desmond-centric episode "Flashes Before Your Eyes," there's a soccer match shown on a television. Around the soccer field are advertisements for various Lost-centric things. There are ads for Mr. Clucks, Apollo candybars, Gannon Car Rentals, the Hanso Foundation, Bubbies diapers (the brand Charlie did the commercial for), Oceanic Airlines, and... wait for it... Expose.

:up: Love stuff like that.

[NoThru22]

O&A will not be happy to hear that you think "O&A" is an obscure reference. :)

O&A are Opie and Anthony.
They might not like it, but they are very much an obscure reference.
Vocal *minority*.
It was not a typo, I meant, and said, vocal majority.

[Peter000]

Also, in the Desmond-centric episode "Flashes Before Your Eyes," there's a soccer match shown on a television. Around the soccer field are advertisements for various Lost-centric things. There are ads for Mr. Clucks, Apollo candybars, Gannon Car Rentals, the Hanso Foundation, Bubbies diapers (the brand Charlie did the commercial for), Oceanic Airlines, and... wait for it... Expose.

Credit where credit is due: not my find. Just saw it on an easter egg site. Here's a link: http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=220
And was one of the the soccer teams from the episode where Hurley ran through the airport? And were their numbers the same? :D

[stalemate]

There's really no reason to assume that flashbacks have to be done for live characters, or even that the characters themselves are actually having those memories at that time. I consider it to just be a storytelling technique constructed for us, not specifically integrated into the character's thoughts at the moment.Weird. I've always thought of the flashbacks as the memories the character is having at that time. They are shown from a third-person perspective so we get to see more than the character actually sees, but I've always thought that character is remembering that particular moment of their life when the flashback happens.

I can usually even tell why they are remembering that particular thing at that time if I bother to think about it much. The flashbacks always seem somewhat linked to whatever is happening on the island and it seems like something currently happening reminds them of the stuff in the flashback.

[hefe]

I can usually even tell why they are remembering that particular thing at that time if I bother to think about it much. The flashbacks always seem somewhat linked to whatever is happening on the island and it seems like something currently happening reminds them of the stuff in the flashback.
Well, I can see why some may think that, especially in certain cases. I think that what is happening in the moment is usually affected and informed by something from the character's past, but it's just always been my assumption that the flashbacks are there to clue us in about it in a third person kind of way.

[philw1776]

Still waiting for Vincent's flashback episode.
Chasing cars, sniffing crotches, eating crap, licking himself ... ehh, on second thought, maybe we can do without Vincent's flashback episode ... :D

I think you missed the MAJOR hint LOST's writers gave us.
Think again about them there cats featured couple episodes ago...

[philw1776]

It was not a typo, I meant, and said, vocal majority.

And, you were quite correct.

Our prayers were answered.
G'day Nikki & Paulo!

[Hunter Green]

Yeah, but based on what we have seen Ben do and how he manipulates, it is conceivable that Walt was taken to lure Michael, yada yada yada, Jack does the surgery. I interpreted the scene with Ben & Juliet to mean it all could be an elaborate chain of events planned by Ben so that he could get his surgery - triggered by the kidnapping of Walt or a prior event (plane crash?). Plans within plans within plans.I thought this was a pretty big plot-advancing revelation, myself. That Ben's had the need for surgery all this time and that the whole plot going on from mid-season-2 to mid-season-3 all revolved around this one thing. It explains so many things, if it's true. I can see how people might not really think of it as a big revelation, but I think it is.
That Nikki is listed in the credits for upcoming episodes doesn't mean much regarding whether she's dead or not, since "Lost" always does flashbacks. This episode, for example, featured 3 dead characters
Four at least. Artz, Boone, Shannon, and Ethan.
Maybe you should do like me and stop watching the teasers. Seems like the ones who are pissed off the most every week are those who complain that the payoff wasn't what was promised in the ads.Quoted for truth.
I am begging you people, do not, DO NOT, give the writers any ideas how to bring back that loathsome pairThe writers joked about this themselves already. "Bulletproof breasts", remember? The whole episode was winking at us.
O&A are Opie and Anthony.I still don't know who they are.

For my part, I thought this was a great episode, on a par with early season 2, almost up to season 1. I wish we hadn't deleted it from our DVR because I want to go back through it looking for things that only seem important afterwards (you know what happens to guest stars, bulletproof breasts, nothing stays buried, Vincent pulling off the towel, etc.)

[scottykempf]

If anyone has heard of RiffTrax by Mike Nelson from MST3K fame, he has now done a commentary for the pilot episode of Lost. Basically, he and sometimes Kevin Murphy, also of MST3K, record a commentary track for different movies and then you can download it to your mp3 player and sync it up to the movie. Check it out.

http://www.rifftrax.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=65

[hefe]

I wish we hadn't deleted it from our DVR because I want to go back through it looking for things that only seem important afterwards (you know what happens to guest stars, bulletproof breasts, nothing stays buried, Vincent pulling off the towel, etc.)
abc.com

[philw1776]

IQuoted for truth.
The writers joked about this themselves already. "Bulletproof breasts", remember? The whole episode was winking at us.

For my part, I thought this was a great episode, on a par with early season 2, almost up to season 1. I wish we hadn't deleted it from our DVR because I want to go back through it looking for things that only seem important afterwards (you know what happens to guest stars, bulletproof breasts, nothing stays buried, Vincent pulling off the towel, etc.)

I agree completely. The writers were having fun, expressing a self-depricating sense of humor. A great change of pace episode, cleverly done.

[danterner]

The whole episode was winking at us.

I agree. In fact, the whole episode was one big Russian Doll. The smallest doll was Expose, a show involving a murder mystery. The next layer up was this atypical episode of Lost where the mystery (of N&P) was presented and solved within a single episode and there were many nudge-nudge/wink-wink moments throughout - if some of the characterization seemed slightly off in this episode, I'd argue it was done very intentionally so: our Losties were themselves acting as if they were characters in a show like Expose. The next larger "doll" is Lost itself, a show about a mystery wrapped in a conundrum wrapped in a riddle. And, at the center of it all, when you get to the heart of things, are some diamonds (metaphorically, the answer to the riddle that is Lost). At the end of this episode, the diamonds get buried again. But, there's also some hope: as Locke says - "things on this island tend not to stay buried."

I may be smeeking here - sorry if so. I know I've seen this discussed in other places, but not here, I think.

[astrohip]

You may already know this, but Lostpedia has transcripts. But they don't have this week's up yet. But they do have last week's, so this week's should be up fairly soon.
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast_transcript/March_26%2C_2007

Of course, that doesn't help you now. I haven't listened to the podcast, or I'd do better for you.
Thanks, didn't know that!

[stellie93]

The whole kidnap Walt to get Michael to get Jack plan seems a little extreme. That time when Jack went to the line to talk to Mr. Friendly, and Kate trailed along and was taken, they could easily have convinced Jack to trade himself for Kate. Then they could threaten harm to the Losties' camp to get him to perform the surgery. ;)

"THE PIGS ARE WALKING, THE PIGS ARE WALKING!"

They still need to explain why Nikki and Paulo had the walkie talkie. We know where it came from, but they don't.

[jkeegan]

If anyone has heard of RiffTrax by Mike Nelson from MST3K fame, he has now done a commentary for the pilot episode of Lost. Basically, he and sometimes Kevin Murphy, also of MST3K, record a commentary track for different movies and then you can download it to your mp3 player and sync it up to the movie. Check it out.

http://www.rifftrax.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=65If you're saying it's worth it (and kind of along the lines of MST3K for the Lost pilot except just audio with no silhouettes), then I'd consider buying that for $2.99. Is it worth buying?

[sushikitten]

If Paulo was bitten/paralyzed before Nikki, why did she wake up (well, open her eyes) first? Also, you would think with his larger body mass, he wouldn't have gotten as much venom as her.

Unless, of course, his shot of venom was stronger than hers.

[Rob Helmerichs]

If Paulo was bitten/paralyzed before Nikki, why did she wake up (well, open her eyes) first? Also, you would think with his larger body mass, he wouldn't have gotten as much venom as her.

Unless, of course, his shot of venom was stronger than hers.
Maybe real spiders are more potent than island-induced fantasy spiders... :D

[bdlucas]

If Paulo was bitten/paralyzed before Nikki, why did she wake up (well, open her eyes) first? Also, you would think with his larger body mass, he wouldn't have gotten as much venom as her.

Unless, of course, his shot of venom was stronger than hers.
Wasn't the spider that bit him a female, and the other spiders were males attracted by the pheremones? So of course it's venom was worse. :p

[skinnyjm]

...as always. :)

But, why are we calling this a "stand-alone" ep?
Until the series has ended (which I must say, the story will NEVER die), who knows what had NO meaning and what DID.
Until the series has ended (officially), I will tend to believe the production staff, who still claim it will all make sense in the end.
Is that crazy or insane???
:confused:
I'm sure it's one of the two.



But that's what this show does to us who are on the list (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Yellow_lists) .
:eek:

[skinnyjm]

Goodbye hottie

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/shared-blogs/palmbeach/thompson/kiele_l.jpg
Oh yeah, That's nice.
Get hormones involved and stuff. :eek:

But don't forget that the network stooges know what sells...
And I'm buyin'. :p

[MickeS]

This image doesn't get in close enough to read the article itself (per my hope above of a connection to Dharma, Widmore, etc.), but I do find the name of the paper to be quite interesting, Brotha.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/199/picture1pk7.jpg
Plus, and I'm sure someone already noted this elsewhere, there's a date on that newspaper: September 24, 2004. So this episode took place December 13, 2004.
EDIT: It actually says "Thursday, September 24, 2004" - although Thursday would have been September 23...

Not that I know if there's any significance to this, but I noticed that the Lostpedia has the timeline wrong (they list this latest episode as taking place December 11, 2004) if we go by this info. But maybe there is conflicting info earlier in the series?

[unicorngoddess]

If Paulo was bitten/paralyzed before Nikki, why did she wake up (well, open her eyes) first? Also, you would think with his larger body mass, he wouldn't have gotten as much venom as her.

Unless, of course, his shot of venom was stronger than hers.

Paulo was bitten on the neck, which made it work faster...so maybe the poison would last longer on him.

If you're saying it's worth it (and kind of along the lines of MST3K for the Lost pilot except just audio with no silhouettes), then I'd consider buying that for $2.99. Is it worth buying?

I downloaded it. I'm gonna watch it here in a bit. I'll let you know if it's any good.

[unicorngoddess]

Just finished watching the first episode with the Riff Trax. I love Kevin Murphey, so obviously I loved it. Also Kevin and Mike point out some of those obvious things that viewers complain about. I hope they do the rest of the season, but if they do 2.99/episode would be steep. Maybe 2.99 per disc.

Also, after watching the first episode, it was pretty clear that there was no Nikki or Paulo.

[tewcewl]

Thanks, too, mqpickles for posting the Lost podcast transcripts. I had no idea about it!

[Hunter Green]

I agree. In fact, the whole episode was one big Russian Doll.Oh, nice observation. Also explains why Paolo had to break the innermost one to get the diamonds out, he couldn't just open it. Otherwise, that particular detail seems kind of pointless.

[drew2k]

If Paulo was bitten/paralyzed before Nikki, why did she wake up (well, open her eyes) first? Also, you would think with his larger body mass, he wouldn't have gotten as much venom as her.

Unless, of course, his shot of venom was stronger than hers.I assumed Paulo was paralyzed longer because he was bitten more than once, while Nikki was only bitten once. I figured that all the other spiders that showed up had a field day biting lots of Paulo bits ... but now that I think about it, should'nt spider bites have left some kind of visible marks that Hurley, Sawyer, etc. would have seen?

[MitchO]

I figured it was because Nikki commented on where he got bit. The neck probably resulted in a more serious bite. She was nipped on the ankle.

[stiffi]

Sorry for a possible smeek, but I have a headache, and after 3 pages of threads, I can't read anymore, but I didn't see this mentioned.

I don't think we've seen the last of Nikki and Paolo.

Locke said to Paolo

"Nothing on this Island stays buried"

Also, in the preview next week:

it's pouring rain. Probably enough to make the sand loose enough for Nikki and Paolo to crawl out

[Delta13]

Poisons do funny things to people, and not always exactly "by the book". But I think the whole hubbub over who was bit more (or longer), who would've been out longer, etc., etc., boils down to this: they only showed us Nikki in the hole, we never saw Paulo's eyes. Maybe he did come around sooner, just ... not ... soon enough.

It was her idea, after all. (the theft, probably the old guy's death, the spider, the running to the beach.) Makes the ending more karmic, that's all.

[teknikel]

... but now that I think about it, should'nt spider bites have left some kind of visible marks that Hurley, Sawyer, etc. would have seen?

They all should probably have lots of bites on them. I don't think those you mentioned would be able to determine the differences among insect bites. JMHO.

[TiMo Tim]

I, for one, welcome our new crime-fighting, stripper overladies. Here's hoping for more character development on those two.

[philw1776]

I, for one, welcome our new crime-fighting, stripper overladies. Here's hoping for more character development on those two.

Now that's the kind of thinking we need the writers to pick up on

[stellie93]

I've listened to it over and over, and I can't hear the monster clunking you're talking about when the spiders come. Does everybody hear this except me? :o

[ufo4sale]

I've listened to it over and over, and I can't hear the monster clunking you're talking about when the spiders come. Does everybody hear this except me? :o

No, your not the only one.

[drew2k]

I never heard any mechanical sounds during the spider attack either. I just figured others had better sound systems or better imaginations. :)

[stellie93]

:up: Thanks, I feel better.

[sushikitten]

I never heard any mechanical sounds during the spider attack either. I just figured others had better sound systems or better imaginations. :)

Same here! I feel better now.

[Bierboy]

...Also, in the preview next week:

it's pouring rain. Probably enough to make the sand loose enough for Nikki and Paolo to crawl out....or...too heavy for them to move at all!!

[kimsan]

I never heard any mechanical sounds during the spider attack either. I just figured others had better sound systems or better imaginations. :)

The only mechanical clunking I heard was as Nikki undid Paolo's belt. There was a slight chain-like clanking right then.

[tanstaafl]

I'm planning on doing a split-screen comparison this weekend. I'm trying to remember if there have been any other episodes where they've flashed back to the initial beach crash scene, other than the pilot.
Here's where someone has done a comparison between this episode and the pilot showing how Nikki was digitally inserted into the original footage.

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/03/chroma-key-scenes.html

[MickeS]

Here's where someone has done a comparison between this episode and the pilot showing how Nikki was digitally inserted into the original footage.

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/03/chroma-key-scenes.html
Some of thew comments there are truly asinine.


The crash site/scene is sacred ground to true LOST fans... it's where it all began for us, where we first connected the show. And for them to re-enact it with wigs, add nicki and paulo, etc. really really disappointed me. I didn't really care for Expose much in the first place, but i think they could've done without re-doing this scene. I dunno, for me it sort of took away from the original scene in Season 1

:(


That person needs to find God or get a life.

[mqpickles]

Some of thew comments there are truly asinine.



That person needs to find God or get a life.Absolutely.

[NatasNJ]

Some of thew comments there are truly asinine.



That person needs to find God or get a life.

Finding God would just put him in the same situation of more questions than answers. :)

[JYoung]

Some of thew comments there are truly asinine.



That person needs to find God or get a life.

Ever surf some of the Star Trek sites? ;)

[brianp6621]

Here's where someone has done a comparison between this episode and the pilot showing how Nikki was digitally inserted into the original footage.

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/03/chroma-key-scenes.html

Damn, so they DIDN'T have a plan. :D

[gchance]

Nikki & Paulo aside, they've always said they want to have background players come to the foreground occasionally. That's what they did here, but realistically, how do you:

- hire someone in a non-speaking part to be mulling around the background of the pilot
- 3 years later, re-hire them with a speaking part for multiple episodes and flashbacks later

They had to do it this way. I think they did a hell of a job putting her into the scenes from the pilot!

<clack> <click> Not the one. not the one. <clack>

Greg

[TAsunder]

What happens if you find God? Suddenly you have less free time? How does that work? Does he make you get him coffee all the time? I don't get it.

[drew2k]

The line from Anonymous about the crash footage being "sacred" is hysterical. For all we know, the scenes below in the pilot were shot FROM Nikki's perspective, or just in front of her, and this episode just "backed the camera up" a little bit so we see her as well.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/Rg629WGYYWI/AAAAAAAADDI/JReoDKW8P0Y/s1600/exposelargeio3.jpg

[mqpickles]

What happens if you find God? Suddenly you have less free time? How does that work? Does he make you get him coffee all the time? I don't get it.I think it has less to do with free time than with gaining some perspective as to what you consider "sacred."

[mqpickles]

I re-watched the first few minutes last night. It reminded me of something I thought of briefly while watching the show Wed.

Nikki is introduced as Corvette, the pride of St. Paul.

Did anyone else put those three things together and think of a certain '80s "artist"?

Okay, so Prince is from Minneapolis, but they are the twin cities.

[mqpickles]

Nikki & Paulo aside, they've always said they want to have background players come to the foreground occasionally. That's what they did here, but realistically, how do you:

- hire someone in a non-speaking part to be mulling around the background of the pilot
- 3 years later, re-hire them with a speaking part for multiple episodes and flashbacks later

They had to do it this way. I think they did a hell of a job putting her into the scenes from the pilot!

<clack> <click> Not the one. not the one. <clack>

GregI agree that this ep. was very well done. And I also appreciate that the writers were kind of winking at us in both obliquely acknowledging that these are add-on characters, and gratifying those of us who found them annoying by making them really dispicable people and then giving them a terrible end (I know some think they aren't dead; I think they are, although their story may continue to play a role).

[wprager]

Plus, and I'm sure someone already noted this elsewhere, there's a date on that newspaper: September 24, 2004. So this episode took place December 13, 2004.
EDIT: It actually says "Thursday, September 24, 2004" - although Thursday would have been September 23...

Not that I know if there's any significance to this, but I noticed that the Lostpedia has the timeline wrong (they list this latest episode as taking place December 11, 2004) if we go by this info. But maybe there is conflicting info earlier in the series?

The date is actually "Tuesday, September 14"? They crashed on the 22nd, so they couldn't have still beein in Sydney on the 24th.

[drew2k]

I re-watched the first few minutes last night. It reminded me of something I thought of briefly while watching the show Wed.

Nikki is introduced as Corvette, the pride of St. Paul.

Did anyone else put those three things together and think of a certain '80s "artist"?No ... but now I am thinking that ...

I knew a girl named Nikki
I guess u could say she was a sex fiend
I met her in a hotel lobby
hmmm-hmm-hmmming with a magazine
...


:p

[TAsunder]

I think it has less to do with free time than with gaining some perspective as to what you consider "sacred."

So it should have been an and then right? I mean getting a life doesn't make you consider different things sacred either. So it should be get a life AND get God??

[MickeS]

The date is actually "Tuesday, September 14"? They crashed on the 22nd, so they couldn't have still beein in Sydney on the 24th.
Nope, it says "Thursday, September 24 2004".

And you're right - it doesn't fit with the date of the crash.

[MickeS]

So it should have been an and then right? I mean getting a life doesn't make you consider different things sacred either. So it should be get a life AND get God??
No, I meant "or". If you consider the first scenes of Lost sacred, you have no life.

[Church AV Guy]

After thirteen pages of comments, I don't believe that anyone has thought that it was definitely the wrong move for Nikki to run TO the camp. She should have run AWAY FROM the camp. I definitely would have taken a lot longer for anyone to notice that she and Paulo were missing. They would have been delayed in looking for them, and the venom would have much more likely worn off before the burial. Running toward the camp accomplishes nothing but getting you buried alive. Why run to the camp? To get help? What can anyone do to help? All they can do is wait. Unless she was afraid of being eaten by a polar bear or boar, there is no advantage to run anywhere. She should have just sat down and let it run its course. Stay put!

[numb and number]

It's always been a problem what to do with repeating extras in a TV series.

I remember that stupid blonde kid walking around the WJM newsroom. Weird. They gave him a couple lines near the end of the series, that was even weirder.

[wprager]

Nope, it says "Thursday, September 24 2004".

And you're right - it doesn't fit with the date of the crash.

Please post a definitive screen cap. The best I saw was not perfectly legible, and looked like it could be either Tuesday or Thursday.

I agree that it is less likely to mistake a 1 for a 2 than "Tues" for "Thurs", but even there it is still possible. Given that September 14 was a Tuesday (and the 24th was not a Thursday), and also that the 24th was after the crash, it is logical to surmise that that was the date shown.

[danterner]

After thirteen pages of comments, I don't believe that anyone has thought that it was definitely the wrong move for Nikki to run TO the camp. She should have run AWAY FROM the camp.....

I'm not so sure - if I'm in the middle of the jungle, poisonous spiders all around me, I think I'd want to run to the shoreline and "civilization" ASAP. It wound up being the wrong call for her, but I'm sure she wasn't anticipating being buried alive when she made it. I know I wouldn't want to be paralyzed for hours, alone, in the middle of a jungle populated by all sorts of mean fauna, smokey, and The Others.

On a completely separate note: it just now occurred to me how this episode reminded me of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, by Tom Stoppard. Anyone else?

[MickeS]

Please post a definitive screen cap. The best I saw was not perfectly legible, and looked like it could be either Tuesday or Thursday.

I agree that it is less likely to mistake a 1 for a 2 than "Tues" for "Thurs", but even there it is still possible. Given that September 14 was a Tuesday (and the 24th was not a Thursday), and also that the 24th was after the crash, it is logical to surmise that that was the date shown.
I did not look at a screen cap. I looked at my dvr recording. It clearly says Thursday September 24.

But I found this:

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/gallery/1_28_03_07_11_06_08.jpg

It's not as clear as on a 42" screen though. :) But the letter after the initial "T" is clearly a "h" (same height as the T), and the "24" date is readable.

Either way - the 24th is after the crash date as given before, and it's not a thursday... so it's probably just a mistake. Although an odd one.

[DevdogAZ]

Setting aside the fact that Sept. 24, 2004 was a Friday and not a Thursday, couldn't we attribute this difference to the International Date Line? If the plane crashed on Wednesday, Sept. 22, 2004 according to the US calendar (since that's the day the pilot episode aired), didn't the plane actually leave Sydney on the morning of Thursday, Sept. 23? They were reading the paper at the airport on the morning they left, so that would make sense (except for the fact that it appears to say 24 and not 23, but it's not really that clear, so I'll give it a pass).

[TAsunder]

Yeah let's see... either I can run to somewhere safe and hope they don't bury me when I tell them I'm paralyzed, or I can run into the middle of the jungle with boars, polar bears, smoke monsters, and people with guns who like killing, where I will then be perfectly still and unable to do anything for 8 hours. Tough call.

[Hunter Green]

Nikki is introduced as Corvette, the pride of St. Paul.Nice catch.

[wprager]

I did not look at a screen cap. I looked at my dvr recording. It clearly says Thursday September 24.

But I found this:

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/gallery/1_28_03_07_11_06_08.jpg

It's not as clear as on a 42" screen though. :) But the letter after the initial "T" is clearly a "h" (same height as the T), and the "24" date is readable.

Either way - the 24th is after the crash date as given before, and it's not a thursday... so it's probably just a mistake. Although an odd one.

Well, if we're comparing screen size, then I just checked on my 57" screen and, sadly, we're nowhere closer to "definitive". I went frame by frame and the "appearance" changes wildly -- at one point I swear that instead of Tuesday or Thursday it looked more like Sydney (I swear, I'm not making this up). Also, I could not find any frame that showed the 2004 part as anything resembling 2004.

I have resigned myself to thinking that this was not meant to really "be spotted" and, in that case, it could be a mistake in so many ways.

Now, can anyone explain the headline to me: "Famed tubed tycoon ..." :confused:

[MickeS]

Well, if we're comparing screen size, then I just checked on my 57" screen and, sadly, we're nowhere closer to "definitive". I went frame by frame and the "appearance" changes wildly -- at one point I swear that instead of Tuesday or Thursday it looked more like Sydney (I swear, I'm not making this up). Also, I could not find any frame that showed the 2004 part as anything resembling 2004.

I have resigned myself to thinking that this was not meant to really "be spotted" and, in that case, it could be a mistake in so many ways.

Now, can anyone explain the headline to me: "Famed tubed tycoon ..." :confused:
There is one frame, right before it shows the entire date, where the word Thursday is readable and in focus. Skip forward a few frames, and you'll see "Thursday, September 24" in focus and readable too. After that, the camera starts panning down/zooming out more, and that's when the blurrier screen shot above is taken, because that's where the entire date is showing.

I agree that this is probably a mistake.

The headline would make more sense if it said "Famed tube tycoon..." instead of tubed. :)

[wprager]

The headline would make more sense if it said "Famed tube tycoon..." instead of tubed. :)

Didn't even think of it. Yep, that would make a lot more sense. Did they order the fake paper over the phone?

[Dennis Wilkinson]

Nikki is introduced as Corvette, the pride of St. Paul.

Nice catch.

Not to mention that Paulo hid the diamonds in the pearl hatch...

or that, in a previous episode, the sky was all purple. ;)

[hefe]

Not to mention that Paulo hid the diamonds in the pearl hatch...

or that, in a previous episode, the sky was all purple. ;)
Prince is Jacob!!!

[mitkraft]

Prince is Jacob!!!

No, Jacob is the artist formely known as Prince..lol.

THAT'S what the "?" was on the blast door map!! It wasn't a "?" it was that funky Prince symbol! Were those really doves in "Par Avion"?

[Church AV Guy]

On a completely separate note: it just now occurred to me how this episode reminded me of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, by Tom Stoppard. Anyone else?
I don't remember anyone flipping coins. :D

[skinnyjm]

...so we still do not know who is "him".
:confused:

[bullitt]

It was interesting as a "stand alone" episode and nice to see a few old characters. But it didn't seem to move the overall plot forward at all. First we wasted time with Libby and Ana-Lucia (I actually had to look up Ana-Lucia because I had forgotten the character's name because she was so important), then Eko, now these two... So much filler, so much time wasted, so much contempt for the writers.

I gave up on this show last season, unfortunately my wife makes me keep the season pass. The show never moves forward, they continue to add new characters that just waste episodes and they have this "Synopsis" format down pat till it's become an art form. Sorry, but I know no more about the fate of this downed aircrafts passengers than I did 3 years ago.

[MickeS]

I gave up on this show last season, unfortunately my wife makes me keep the season pass. The show never moves forward, they continue to add new characters that just waste episodes and they have this "Synopsis" format down pat till it's become an art form. Sorry, but I know no more about the fate of this downed aircrafts passengers than I did 3 years ago.
But you know more about the characters.

[jkeegan]

Wednesday already.. seven more hours (for those of us not in Canada).

[getreal]

I gave up on this show last season ...
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... Sorry, but I know no more about the fate of this downed aircrafts passengers than I did 3 years ago.
So lemme get this straight -- you gave up watching the show last season (Season 2), and as a result you don't know any more about the story than you did during Season 1?
Go figure.

I gave up reading a book part way through, and as a result, I too didn't learn how that story progressed as well. I should find a forum on the web where fans of the book like to talk about it, and I should let them know that the book sucked because I stopped reading it.

:D <-- don't forget the smiley dude

[mqpickles]

I gave up on this show last season, unfortunately my wife makes me keep the season pass. The show never moves forward, they continue to add new characters that just waste episodes and they have this "Synopsis" format down pat till it's become an art form. Sorry, but I know no more about the fate of this downed aircrafts passengers than I did 3 years ago.Well, you know about the fates of Boone, Shannon, Ana Lucia, Libby, Eko, the girl that Boone tried to save from drowning, Steve (or was it Scott?), Artz, and the Marshal.

[NatasNJ]

Monster Tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IndyJones1023]

Okay, so I'm catching up and only 15 minutes in and haven't read this thread yet, but wow! What a blast from the past! This episode is awesome so far!

Plus Kiely Sanchez reminds me of an ex. :o