24: Day 6 8:00PM - 9:00PM, OAD 03.26.2007 *SPOILERS*

[terpfan1980]

And the day continues with Jack still doing the barely believable and pretty much all of CTU getting across town on impossible schedules....

[smallwonder]

What's the point of calling the AG to determine if President Palmer is mentally competent? He's not a physician. Last season it made sense because of the criminal duplicity that was going on. I don't think the process is the same when the issue is medical/mental health. Or is it? :confused:

[cyke93]

maybe ive been so used to crap that i thought tonight's episode was ok. jack is there for the sake of being there.. y he's still doing field work for ctu is anyone's guess. i thought they were actualling going to launch the nukes.. o wellz..

[Kamakzie]

President Palmer finally makes his 24 miraculous recovery....

[gchance]

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Greg

[getreal]

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Greg
Pretty impressive for just a can of beans and no boat!
:D

[getreal]

I thought Jack was almost having a "moment" after he let Rainman go to see his brother once they had the Russian. It's only been a few hours since Jack tortured his brother and his dad killed him, after all.

ETA: Well, it's only taken me 3.5 years to finally reach my 500th post!
Of course, if Fun & Games counted, I might be closer to 750. :rolleyes:

[Peter000]

How long before Rainman gets recruited by CTU, and becomes Chloe's boyfriend?

[cheesesteak]

Milo needs some sensitivity training. What's up with hitting on the office hottie right after she's just been tortured?

I hope the next episode has the Joint Chiefs and everybody else in that conference room kicking the VP's ass and duct taping him to a chair. That'll be more believable than his attempted coup so far.

I'm still amazed at all of the dumb crap and dishonesty that goes on in CTU during a national alert.

[madscientist]

Milo needs some sensitivity training. What's up with hitting on the office hottie right after she's just been tortured?Well heck, a guy's got to take his chances when they come up... if you had to wait until someone's not being tortured in 24-land you'd never have a shot! :p

I was also wondering if they'd bring Brady back to CTU and hook him up with some sockets.

You know, CTU can't set up a perimeter to save their lives and they leak like a sieve BUT, you gotta give them one thing: they can shoot!

I was a bit impressed that they didn't drag out the whole "Nadia being framed" thing any longer. It was actually somewhat in-character for Doyle to hand over the evidence rather than sit on it, and anyway the argument that he would get in trouble for interrogating Nadia (and really, that was an extremely mild interrogation--intimidating but they didn't even break out the infinitely-repeating Disco Duck music like they did for Heller's son) was completely lame. Well done!

[IndyJones1023]

What's the point of calling the AG to determine if President Palmer is mentally competent? He's not a physician. Last season it made sense because of the criminal duplicity that was going on. I don't think the process is the same when the issue is medical/mental health. Or is it? :confused:
I think the Veep wants the AG to start the paperwork process of declaring the Prez incompetent.

[TAsunder]

I thought this was one of the best episodes of 24 I've seen. True, there was only minor action, but it seemed like the writers were very straightforward and not too manipulative. Or when they were manipulative, it was playing with 24 cliches that we were expecting that didn't happen. The most melodramatic aspect of this episode was the veep going way over the edge, but this was already a foreseeable consequence given his insane demeanor in the past few episodes.

Things in this episode that are not normally in 24:

1. The big sting operation had no hiccups. No one got hurt and they actually got the bad guy. The good guy (at least, as of yet) that helpd is not dead or kidnapped, or running from a velociraptor that got loose.

2. Instead of going the usual route of torturing a CTU potential mole, they didn't even get around to that, and they immediately disproved it.

3. After not even being tortured, nadia didn't demand a huge pay increase or want to quit. And the acting was not as if her memory had been wiped by a MIB device, unlike previous moles who were tortured then proven innocent who then agreed to keep working for more money.

4. No defib paddle scene. Minimal suspense there. I was expecting the nuke to launch and then a strangelovian plot where they have to send the coordinates to fyed's country to shoot it down.

5. Though they set us up to think that doyle was being selfish, in fact he wasn't. They almost toyed with our preconceived notions of what would happen in a 24 episode normally!

Of course, in usual 24 style there are a lot of oddities and techno-nonsense. I find it unlikely the doctor would be morally compelled to listen to wayne's sister if the president's life were being risked beyond reason (when the swelling increased), but maybe he agreed with the action politically. So yeah, the usual 24 stupidity, for 24, this was a really strong episode in my mind, because along with 24 stupidity, the episode sort of avoided the normal cliches that compound 24 stupidity.

Edit: as for the AG, at the least the veep would consult with him to find out what is legally required, I would think.

[IndyJones1023]

I was confused by the guy who found the hacking chip.

First, he finds it and surrepticiously gives it to Doyle saying "now we're even."

Then, he goes and tells Milo "Doyle has evidence exonerating Nadia."

Huh? He's covering up something by being underhanded with Doyle, then tattles on Doyle for having it. What's going on there?

[MikeMar]

I was confused by the guy who found the hacking chip.

First, he finds it and surrepticiously gives it to Doyle saying "now we're even."

Then, he goes and tells Milo "Doyle has evidence exonerating Nadia."

Huh? He's covering up something by being underhanded with Doyle, then tattles on Doyle for having it. What's going on there?

He gave the chip to Doyle thinking he would sit on it forever

Then he waiting like 10-15 min then told on him.

His goal was to trap Doyle into getting caught with hiding evidence.

Obviously that guy does NOT like Doyle (from Denver)

[busyba]

Milo needs some sensitivity training. What's up with hitting on the office hottie right after she's just been tortured?
Milo's clearly had his hound dog training. That was the best time to make a move; she's totally open and vulnerable emotionally. My hat's off to the man. :D

Obviously that guy does NOT like Doyle (from Denver)
Hands up if you think they'll keep referring to "Denver" like it's massively significant but never let us in on what the significance is.... :rolleyes:


Buchannan's heart-to-heart with Nadia should have included the line: "Turth be told, you had it pretty easy. You should have seen the things we did to other suspected moles that we've interrogated." :D


"Hey I know, let's set up a sting operation and use the emotionally unstable autistic guy as the lynchpin! What could possibly go wrong?" That's right up there with "Usually, I use a condom, but I thought to myself, 'When am I ever going to get back to Haiti?'" :D But it figures that the one thing in the 24 world that had no realistic chance of working went off without a hitch. :)

[bruinfan]

Hands up if you think they'll keep referring to "Denver" like it's massively significant but never let us in on what the significance is.... :rolleyes:

it's going to be a massive multi-network crossover event with Jericho.

[Jericho Dog]

Buchannan's heart-to-heart with Nadia should have included the line: "Turth be told, you had it pretty easy. You should have seen the things we did to other suspected moles that we've interrogated." :DYeah, she didn't even get tazered in the neck!
C'mon! you call that torture?!

I miss the tazer....
:(

[IJustLikeTivo]

I think the Veep wants the AG to start the paperwork process of declaring the Prez incompetent.

Which can't happen in 24 hours or less no matter how much they'd like it to. Unless the guy in unconscious, there would be some period of discussion.


"Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office."


Just the rebuttal if Palmer denied the incapacity could take days.

[cheesesteak]

So Nuke Rockne, excuse me, the Vice President wants to declare Palmer incompetent simply because he disagrees with him? They're not even married.

A question to the techies: what was that device that compromised Nadia's pc? Does something like that really exist and why wouldn't an agency like CTU have security measures to detect it as standard procedure?

[TAsunder]

I can say with some certainty that such a device does not exist otherwise almost every computer in the world would be corrupted. Unless the device is just some random chip that exploits a vulnerability that an agency like CTU shouldn't have which could be exploited nearly as easily just by writing a vbscript.

[madscientist]

Device? Complete, utter fantasy.

IF Nadia's system had been compromised "through one of the radical websites she was monitoring", then there would not have been any need whatsoever for any extra hardware device like that.

And of course, there's no way any government security facility would let itself be compromised by visiting a web site (oh please oh please let that be true!) What, you think they're using Internet Explorer with ActiveX enabled on their systems?

[TAsunder]

I was going to say the same thing about "there's no way" but wouldn't it be awesome if they make that an actual plot point, that CTU computer security is really awful what with all the leaks and they need to fix it up?

[allan]

And of course, there's no way any government security facility would let itself be compromised by visiting a web site (oh please oh please let that be true!) What, you think they're using Internet Explorer with ActiveX enabled on their systems?

Well, considering CTU's track record on security...

:D

[cyke93]

Going back to a few episodes ago, in regards to Josh Bauer. There were speculation that he was in fact Jack's son. I think that after the past few episodes.. i think the real father of Josh is in fact Doyle.

[speedcouch]

Milo needs some sensitivity training. What's up with hitting on the office hottie right after she's just been tortured?.

When they were kissing, I couldn't help but feel like this was deju with Tony and Michelle from season 1.

As to Doyle, they certainly had me not sure whether he'd be honest and clear Nadia or not. But it was pretty funny the cross and doublecross between him and the other guy. :up:

Cheryl

[gchance]

When they were kissing, I couldn't help but feel like this was deju with Tony and Michelle from season 1.

Season 2. She wasn't in Season 1.

Greg

[IJustLikeTivo]

Device? Complete, utter fantasy.

IF Nadia's system had been compromised "through one of the radical websites she was monitoring", then there would not have been any need whatsoever for any extra hardware device like that.

And of course, there's no way any government security facility would let itself be compromised by visiting a web site (oh please oh please let that be true!) What, you think they're using Internet Explorer with ActiveX enabled on their systems?

Even if they were they certainly wouldn't have that system on the same network with the classified stuff. Clearly no one writing for 24 has even heard of a SCIF must less been in one.

[DevdogAZ]

Yet another episode with no information about Logan. Hopefully they've simply dropped that ridiculous storyline, but if he died, wouldn't that be pretty prominent national news? If he didn't die, why did they go to the trouble of showing us that he crashed in the ambulance and make that the cliffhanger for an episode?

[Bierboy]

Yet another episode with no information about Logan. Hopefully they've simply dropped that ridiculous storyline, but if he died, wouldn't that be pretty prominent national news? If he didn't die, why did they go to the trouble of showing us that he crashed in the ambulance and make that the cliffhanger for an episode?Hey...it's only been an hour or three...they routinely hold news like that from the press for longer periods of time than that.

[cyke93]

Hey...it's only been an hour or three...they routinely hold news like that from the press for longer periods of time than that.

forget all the other attacks during the day, but there was a nuclear explosion in valencia, the assination attempt of the president, and now the death of a former president .. all in one day !?.. i think thats too much news for anyone to handle.

[Church AV Guy]

He gave the chip to Doyle thinking he would sit on it forever
Then he waiting like 10-15 min then told on him.
His goal was to trap Doyle into getting caught with hiding evidence.
Obviously that guy does NOT like Doyle (from Denver)
And another thing, after Doyle told Martouf (I can't remember his name from 24) that he picked the wrong guy to cross, he just smiled as Doyle walked away. I wonder what that smile was about.

Jack really wanted to interrogate Gredenko, he really, really did. I'm sure the Chinese gave him some new ideas that he has been improving in his mind. Now, Gredenko wants to cooperate in exchange for a pardon. Boy, that must really annoy Jack. He was holding back with his brother, but he wouldn't have to with Gredenko.

Given the gravity of what has happened, wouldn't the president have told the cabinet that the vice president was being removed from office? There is no way the president would allow someone who was so reckless to remain in such a sensitive position.

We have eight hours left, and we are down to two missing nukes. That's four hours per bomb. The writers can manage that.

The real questions become, who is really responsible? Is it still Jack's dad? Is it the the Russians, the middle eastern terrorists, or is there another party to be revealed? I know 24 from seasons back, and I am in the "yet to be determined" camp, like the blue tooth group from last year.

So, like Kim last year, they just bring out Logan, his wife and Aaron, to show them off and then get rid of them without another word. Not even an acknowledgement of Logan's death, or survival. Was that just added for nostalgic purposes? Maybe there should be a picture of Edgar as a memorial. Actually, CTU should have a memorial wall.

Will Rainman's brother die? Will we even be told?

[busyba]

And another thing, after Doyle told Martouf (I can't remember his name from 24) that he picked the wrong guy to cross, he just smiled as Doyle walked away. I wonder what that smile was about.
I'm surprised Martouf wasn't taken into custody right then on conspiracy and obstruction charges.

Jack really wanted to interrogate Gredenko, he really, really did. [...] He was holding back with his brother
He was?!?!?! :eek:

:)

Given the gravity of what has happened, wouldn't the president have told the cabinet that the vice president was being removed from office? There is no way the president would allow someone who was so reckless to remain in such a sensitive position.
The president doesn't have that power. The only way the VP can be removed is through impeachment.

Interestingly, thanks to the 25th amendment, the President is actually more vulnerable to removal than the VP is.

Will Rainman's brother die? Will we even be told?
Does it matter? They've fulfilled their plot purposes. Speaking of, is Rainman the first civilian/bystander in 24 history that has helped Jack and not gotten killed?

[Rob Helmerichs]

I'm surprised Martouf wasn't taken into custody right then on conspiracy and obstruction charges.
I don't think that was a happy smile. I think that was an "Oh, crap, I've stepped in it now" smile. And I think he has a sense of who he tried to screw, and how much worse the consequences will be than if he were just turned in...

[busyba]

I don't think that was a happy smile. I think that was an "Oh, crap, I've stepped in it now" smile.
I saw the smile as "GAME ON MOTHERF***ER!!!!!" :D

[ewolfr]

Hands up if you think they'll keep referring to "Denver" like it's massively significant but never let us in on what the significance is.... :rolleyes:



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[newsposter]

why not take the bad guy to ctu to be questioned?

how did the brother not get killed? amazing

why couldnt chloe break that encryption on the call? She can do anything!

[rlc1]

Not an episode goes by anymore where I don't laugh out loud. Maybe they're trying to turn this show into a comedy?

Some of my favorite moments and just general absurdities of this season:

-Jack's sister-in-law coming on to him just hours after her husband was killed by his own father
-Jack grabbing the phone out of Chloe's hands and hanging up because he's pissed that nobody told him about Audrey
-Jack just got off a plane after being released from 2 years in a Chinese prison. Couldn't they have just had it so he was released, he gets to rest for a couple of weeks, then they call him in to CTU because of this crisis? Would the plot really have been negatively affected? Oh wait, that couldn't happen in 24 hours....

Everything in this show now seems to be just completely predictable. Jack's always going to push things just a little too far to get information out of someone. There's going to be a leak (or two, or three) in CTU. Someone in CTU is going to have a personal problem with someone else in CTU, and they just can't put it aside for a lousy 24 hours. The terrorists always have multiple levels of backup plans.

Why am I still watching this show? Please let all Jack and all the main characters get killed in a nuclear explosion so I won't have to subject myself to this anymore. I've got a real love/hate relationship with 24 right now.

[DevdogAZ]

Some of my favorite moments and just general absurdities of this season:

-Jack's sister-in-law coming on to him just hours after her husband was killed by his own father
The best part about this is that we, the viewers, know that Graeme was killed by his father, but everyone on the show, including Jack and the super-hot sister-in-law think that Graeme died because Jack gave him too much of that pain-inducing serum. So not only is she coming on to Jack mere hours after her husband died, but she's actually coming on to the guy who she thinks is responsible for her husband's death.

[TAsunder]

I could swear that jack's dad confessed to killing jack's brother.

Also, there is nothing unbelievable about jack hanging up someone else's phone. That's your typical average testosterone guy reaction.

[IndyJones1023]

I could swear that jack's dad confessed to killing jack's brother.
He did. Was it to Jack? Or the grandson?

[TAsunder]

He did. Was it to Jack? Or the grandson?

Or Rena Sofer's char? I can't remember.

[gchance]

He did. Was it to Jack? Or the grandson?

It was to Graem's wife, over the phone, when he was getting her to lead Jack & the CTU Gang somewhere.

-Jack just got off a plane after being released from 2 years in a Chinese prison. Couldn't they have just had it so he was released, he gets to rest for a couple of weeks, then they call him in to CTU because of this crisis? Would the plot really have been negatively affected? Oh wait, that couldn't happen in 24 hours....

This one couldn't wait. The terrorists had given CTU an ultimatum. More bloodshed if they didn't hand over the Bauer kid. That's what they get for negotiating with terrorists.

I swear Harrison Ford would NEVER have stood for this! Come to think of it, neither would David Palmer.

Greg

[Bierboy]

I, for one, am glad we got the title to this week's episode correct. http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k137/Bierboy/Groovy.gif

[martinp13]

Milo's clearly had his hound dog training. That was the best time to make a move; she's totally open and vulnerable emotionally. My hat's off to the man. :D+1

My favorite part of the whole Nadia thing is that whatever that gizmo is, the presence of it doesn't exonerate her. She could STILL have been streaming info out of her computer, gizmo or not. And no one besides Frowny-Face has noticed that she has been logged on under Milo's ID all d@mn day???

When Jack and Co. burst in and shot the pilot, didn't he drop what looked like a grenade on the floor as he fell? I kept waiting for it to go off, and of course it was never seen or mentioned again.

[DevdogAZ]

When Jack and Co. burst in and shot the pilot, didn't he drop what looked like a grenade on the floor as he fell? I kept waiting for it to go off, and of course it was never seen or mentioned again.
Yes, there was definitely a grenade dropped, and I thought it was going to go off also, but apparently the pilot didn't get a chance to pull the pin before he dropped it. Not sure why they showed it in that case, but I think that's what happened.

[martinp13]

I think maybe it was a reality grenade. When there's a buildup of realistic events on a show such as 24, the writers have a character set off a reality grenade, which blows all semblance of reality all to hell. Wasn't the VP's "dammit, I'm gonna nuke em whether I have a reason or not" speech right after that? Or the President "coming back to life"? :)

[busyba]

I believe what was happened was that the Tango pulled out a grenade in order to take himself and his equipment out (just like the baddie with the laptop in the storage shack a dozen or so hours ago), but unlike the previous guy, he got shot before he could pull the pin and he dropped the grenade. The close-up was to show us that the grenade fell with the pin intact.

[pkscout]

<sigh> This show has returned to the train wreck that was the first season. One monolithic story can't survive a full season without idiotic plot contrivances. I keep waiting for Jack to get a call that Kim is trapped by a lion and that he needs to come save her.

The VP is bad enough, but having Palmer go from in a coma and crashing to awake and lucid in 5 minutes does more than stretch credibility. It totally breaks it. I love the reality grenade above. It really does describe the show exactly.

[Zevida]

It was to Graem's wife, over the phone, when he was getting her to lead Jack & the CTU Gang somewhere.

After the house exploded and Milo got shot, Jack went after his SIL and she told Jack at that point that his father killed Graem. But they never addressed it past that conversation.