Veronica Mars fans unite

[mwhip]

Looking on the web the last couple days there is a small movement gaining steam. Fans of the show on message boards and bloggers are trying to get all fans of the show to boycott the replacement show for the next two months, The Search for the Next Pussycat Doll.

The theory here is that if the 5 million die hard fans don't watch the ratings will be horrible and the CW will hear us.

[stalemate]

I had no intention of watching it anyway, but I'll call it a boycott if that helps :p

[Jonathan_S]

I had no intention of watching it anyway, but I'll call it a boycott if that helps :p
:up: +1

[tem]

the 5 million watching VM are not the 5 million targeted to watch SftNPT.

[mwhip]

the 5 million watching VM are not the 5 million targeted to watch SftNPT.

I am a male between 18-34 I think I am targeted for this show. :D

[uncdrew]

I love Veronica Mars.

Yes, enough to not watch Pussycat Dolls. :)

[lambertman]

The theory here is that if the 5 million die hard fans don't watch the ratings will be horrible and the CW will hear us.

That's so cute.

The show's averaging 2.6 million viewers.

[DevdogAZ]

Yeah, if it were getting 5 million viewers, it would be CW's best rated show by far.

[Magnolia88]

Good luck.

I think VM's days are almost over, and I doubt much can be done to save it at this point. We should be thankful we got three seasons of this show, considering that its ratings have been in the basement almost from the beginning. A lot of people discovered VM on DVD, but somehow they couldn't bring themselves to turn on UPN/the CW to actually watch it from week to week.

[cmontyburns]

I think VM's days are almost over, and I doubt much can be done to save it at this point.

I think you're probably right, but: at least Rob Thomas, ever the optimist, isn't quite convinced. From this week's Ask Ausiello (http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ask-Ausiello/default.aspx) on tvguide.com:

I just e-emailed Mars' main man Rob Thomas for an update, and here's what he wrote back: "We're very much on the fence for a fourth season. My amateur handicapping of our situation — 60/40 in our favor. We are shooting the finale as a season finale — not as a series finale. There will be no alternate. If they do try to get rid of us, we're not going to make it easy for them." I gotta tell ya, there are few things in life I enjoy more than a juicy Rob Thomas soundbite.

[mrpantstm]

I had no intention of watching it anyway, but I'll call it a boycott if that helps :p

+1

Nothing like joining a cause I would have otherwise done on my own. :D

[Jeeters]

The only people that need to boycott are the ones that have Nielson boxes. The rest... it doesn't matter.

[rhuntington3]

I had no intention of watching it anyway, but I'll call it a boycott if that helps :p

+1

[FilmCritic3000]

+1

+1

[GDG76]

I loved season1, season2 was ok, but this season has been complete crap IMO. It hasn't survived the transition to college well and the "mini-mystery" arcs have been predictable and I just don't care about them. Keith back as sherriff will make it even worse too- they're supposed to be outsiders who see everything the law doesn't...

I won't miss Veronica Mars if it goes. I would have thought you were nuts if someone told me I would be saying that last year...

[mwhip]

I loved season1, season2 was ok, but this season has been complete crap IMO. It hasn't survived the transition to college well and the "mini-mystery" arcs have been predictable and I just don't care about them. Keith back as sherriff will make it even worse too- they're supposed to be outsiders who see everything the law doesn't...

I won't miss Veronica Mars if it goes. I would have thought you were nuts if someone told me I would be saying that last year...

That may be true but it is still better than 98% of what is on TV and 1000 times better than a Pussycat Doll reality show.

[GDG76]

That may be true but it is still better than 98% of what is on TV and 1000 times better than a Pussycat Doll reality show.

Well, considering I watch about three shows a week most weeks, it has to be in the top 99% for me personally :)

VM used to be must see. I didn't even care when my recording messed up for two weeks.

[AJRitz]

It would be interesting (to me at least) to see that Veronica Mars might do ratings-wise if it were on a real network with a real promotions department. On the other hand, I'm not sure that there are any networks with decent promotions departments left . . .

[DevdogAZ]

That may be true but it is still better than 98% of what is on TV and 1000 times better than a Pussycat Doll reality show.
I don't get the hatred for the Pussycat Dolls show. Sure, it's not VM, but it's not like VM was going to have new episodes for the next 6 weeks even if it were getting great ratings. It's just that time of year when stuff either goes into reruns or mid-season replacements take over for a little while. It's not like CW has to choose between the two.

[mwhip]

I don't get the hatred for the Pussycat Dolls show. Sure, it's not VM, but it's not like VM was going to have new episodes for the next 6 weeks even if it were getting great ratings. It's just that time of year when stuff either goes into reruns or mid-season replacements take over for a little while. It's not like CW has to choose between the two.

I totally agree but I think it is a good way to actually show the CW that we truly care about the show. Now I am at the point where it has been 3 years and if the show were to not continue I would not be up in arms.

[stalemate]

I don't get the hatred for the Pussycat Dolls show. Sure, it's not VM, but it's not like VM was going to have new episodes for the next 6 weeks even if it were getting great ratings. It's just that time of year when stuff either goes into reruns or mid-season replacements take over for a little while. It's not like CW has to choose between the two.I just think the Pussycat Dolls show looks stupid, regardless of when it airs or what network airs it.

[Philly Bill]

What is 'Veronica Mars'?

[mwhip]

What is 'Veronica Mars'?

http://imdb.com/title/tt0412253/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veronica_mars

http://www.cwtv.com/shows/veronica-mars

[Redux]

What is 'Veronica Mars'?The best three-year run series that no one ever watched, of all time. I believe it was usually dead-last of all regularly-scheduled TV series in its first year, and intense word-of-mouth got it up to next-to-last after that. An absolute miracle it lasted longer than a few weeks.

It has gradually fallen off in quality from an incredible start, but it still has brilliant moments, and will become a familiar syndication staple forever. Of course everyone will claim to have been astute enough to have caught it in its initial run.

[Royster]

It has gradually fallen off in quality from an incredible start, but it still has brilliant moments, and will become a familiar syndication staple forever.

It used to be the case that a show needed 100 episodes to even get a chance at syndication. VM dosn't have that. But, since I've seen the 19 or so episdoes of My So Called Life played over and over again for months on end, I suppose anything is possible these days.

[Jeeters]

I think the 100 episodes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_episodes) rule is (somewhat) obsolete, or is maybe becoming so. I think I even remember reading in Entertainment Weekly a couple times that 3 seasons is now often considered the minimum. Several shorter-run shows over the last few years have come up for syndication that kind of backs that up: Felicity and Everwood come to mind.

[DevdogAZ]

Arrested Development (which IMO is the best three-year show that nobody watched) is in syndication, and although Alias barely got over the 100 ep mark, it had a syndication deal long before that. With all the channels out there now and the fragmentation of the audience, syndication deals are not nearly as expensive as they used to be and the smaller cable channels can afford stuff like this.

[TAsunder]

Not like I'm going to watch the pussycat show, but I don't think that there's anything going on here worth boycotting. The network shouldn't be forced to show VM reruns just because some fans don't want to see any other show on during the same time slot.

[gilmoregirls102]

I LOVE VERONICA MARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am pretty much doing all I can to help the show...

I go online and buy the Veronica Merchandise... (I know, I am a dork, but I don't care...)

I have three copies of each season and I let others borrow them in hopes to get them hooked...

I have the soundtrack (It's awesome)

I have joined forces (no, I am not 12, but just really passionate) w/ the CW Veronica Mars thread, and have written in to various day time talk shows asking them to advertise the show... even by just having Kristen Bell or Jason Dohring on... (We all even chipped in and bought season 1 and 2 for Ellen!)

There are fans who (and I am one) that buy VM DVD's for the local libraries so that new fans will emerge.

And, if none of these efforts help, and there is no 4th season, then the cast of Veronica Mars will know how much we loved the show that they gave us...

(Okay, I know all that sounds dorky, and I get made fun of by my siblings, but there is something about Veronica Mars that I adore. It makes me so happy.)

[lonwolf615]

So which Gilmore Girl are you?:)
You don't sound like a dork at all. In fact I feel humbled by your attempts to keep it on. If by some miracle there is a 4th season we'll all know who to thank!

[gilmoregirls102]

So which Gilmore Girl are you?:)
You don't sound like a dork at all. In fact I feel humbled by your attempts to keep it on. If by some miracle there is a 4th season we'll all know who to thank!

Oh, that's funny!
I am a mix between Lorelai and Rory (I know you were kidding, and referencing VM, but I still had to answer...)

Thank you... I gotta at least keep trying!

[Alpinemaps]

I think the 100 episodes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_episodes) rule is (somewhat) obsolete, or is maybe becoming so. I think I even remember reading in Entertainment Weekly a couple times that 3 seasons is now often considered the minimum. Several shorter-run shows over the last few years have come up for syndication that kind of backs that up: Felicity and Everwood come to mind.

Both Felicity and Everwood ran 4 seasons.

[Uncle Briggs]

The best three-year run series that no one ever watched.I think that award would go to Roswell

[Langree]

Does anyone think these "boycot of a timeslot" ideas work?

The network has no way of knowing if the low ratings of a NEW show are do to a boycot or just a normal poor showing because the show wouldn't have been watched anyway. They have nothing to balance it against.

The shows brought back after cancellatin are few and far between, Family Guy probably being the best example of this.

But VM is no FG, the numbers just aren't there. So if Pussycat Dolls does fail, and I'm betting it will, regardless of a boycot. They'll just plug something else in it's place, maybe even VM reruns with no intent to renew.

[Jeeters]

Both Felicity and Everwood ran 4 seasons.Yes, but under 100 episodes.

[edc]

I think that award would go to Roswell

Star Trek: TOS!

I think they should cross-promote and have KB be the next pussycat doll! ;)

[gilmoregirls102]

I really hope that the numbers do grow. It is SUCH a well written show.

And, I think it's funny that Arrested Development was only 3 seasons long... and Rob Thomas is a big fan of Arrested Development (they share alot of inside jokes, and people... SO funny.)

You know what they say, "Only the good die young..." and I think they are talking about TV!

[gilmoregirls102]

Veronica Mars is LOVED! (http://lounge.cwtv.com/forumdisplay.php?f=9)

[gilmoregirls102]

It may be the end. :( (14)

[Sirius Black]

I just finished watching the first season a couple weeks ago and I'm just about done with disc 2 of season 2. I'd say it is still a great show.

However, I'm not surprised that CW would make a move like this. They wouldn't recognize quality TV if J. Michael Strazinki, JJ Abrams, and Joss Whedon were to co-create it. I don't even think they care. They've never shown themselves to care about their core shows.

[TAsunder]

I just finished watching the first season a couple weeks ago and I'm just about done with disc 2 of season 2. I'd say it is still a great show.

However, I'm not surprised that CW would make a move like this. They wouldn't recognize quality TV if J. Michael Strazinki, JJ Abrams, and Joss Whedon were to co-create it. I don't even think they care. They've never shown themselves to care about their core shows.

No offense, but I would prefer VM over any new series produced by those three. I do like Babylon 5, but Straczynski's not done much since then. Joss Whedon writes stylish camp despite the throngs of fan who believe it's something better, and JJ Abrams goes off the deep end in everything he's done (Lost, Alias, even MI: 3) - plus he wrote the unforgiveable drek Armageddon.

It's more insulting to say the CW wouldn't recognize VM than your analogy. And they do seem to recognize it, but ultimately a business is a business, and if they feel they can make more profit on another thing, that's their right.

[Sirius Black]

Thank you for correcting the spelling error. If I'm not mistaken Straczynski has done quite a bit of comic book work since the end of B5. Fantastic Four comes to mind but I could be wrong. It might be stylish camp but Joss Whedon's work is still good. I'd argue that Rob Thomas produces equally stylish camp. Just because it's camp, doesn't mean it isn't good. JJ Abrams has an attention span problem but what he produced (Alias and Lost) has been successful in spite of this. MI:3 was a marked improvement over MI:2, IMO. If you put the three of them together, I think you'd have ratings gold for a network that isn't ABC, CBS, NBC, or Fox.

[TAsunder]

The piont is, just because something is good doesn't mean it will get viewers, and VM is as good as the efforts by those three, as far as I can tell. I do often wonder how it would fare on another network. Especially, I think it would be a great Tuesday FX show.

[mwhip]

FYI - About a week ago Rob Thomas was talking about how he felt this show had a 60% of coming back. This week he is not so optimistic.

[5thcrewman]

CW, Pussycat In Hell!!!

[Jeeters]

FYI - About a week ago Rob Thomas was talking about how he felt this show had a 60% of coming back. This week he is not so optimistic.They mentioned in this week's TV Guide podcast that one thing it has going for it is that if it goes into a 4th season, it can be syndicated, so it might be worth it to them to continue.

[murgatroyd]

I just finished watching the first season a couple weeks ago and I'm just about done with disc 2 of season 2. I'd say it is still a great show.

However, I'm not surprised that CW would make a move like this. They wouldn't recognize quality TV if J. Michael Strazinki, JJ Abrams, and Joss Whedon were to co-create it. I don't even think they care. They've never shown themselves to care about their core shows.

What network recognizes or cares about quality TV? They are all chasing the same demographics and simply count eyeballs.

In an ideal world, I would be able to subscribe to any new show by JMS, Sorkin, or Whedon, and have it delievered directly to me, with no network intervention.

Jan

[TivoFan]

I loved season1, season2 was ok, but this season has been complete crap IMO. It hasn't survived the transition to college well and the "mini-mystery" arcs have been predictable and I just don't care about them. Keith back as sherriff will make it even worse too- they're supposed to be outsiders who see everything the law doesn't...

I won't miss Veronica Mars if it goes. I would have thought you were nuts if someone told me I would be saying that last year...

100% Agreement

That may be true but it is still better than 98% of what is on TV and 1000 times better than a Pussycat Doll reality show.

The whole reason I have Tivo is so that I can filter out everything but the top 1/2% of shows. There's enough good stuff I don't have to suffer through anything. And while season 1 was definitely in the top 1/2%, I doubt season 3 actually makes the top 2%.

[TivoFan]

It would be interesting (to me at least) to see that Veronica Mars might do ratings-wise if it were on a real network with a real promotions department. On the other hand, I'm not sure that there are any networks with decent promotions departments left . . .

While the marketing may be part of the reason that the viewership is down, the fact that the writing of the show has steadily declined over the years is probably a greater factor.

[cherry ghost]

Bad news folks


"The debut of The CW’s Pussycat Dolls Present: The Search for the Next Doll lifted the 9 p.m. hour to an improved 3.90 million viewers and a 1.7/ 4 among adults 18-49, with retention out of lead-in Gilmore Girls (Viewers: #5, 4.44 million; A18-49: #4, 2.0/ 5) of a solid 88 percent in total viewers and 85 percent in the demo. Pussycat Dolls delivered The CW’s best performance to-date in the Tuesday 9 p.m. hour in the two aforementioned categories, plus adults 18-34 (2.0/ 6 – tie), women 18-34 (3.1/ 8), women 18-49 (2.4/ 5), teens (2.7/ 8) and female teens (4.3/13), with growth out of Gilmore Girls of 29 percent and 26 percent, respectively, in the two teen demos. Pussycat Dolls also built from recent occupant Veronica Mars by double-digit across-the-board percentages. Combined with Gilmore Girls, The CW scored its highest rated Tuesday in women 18-34 (3.4/ 9), with a second-place finish from 8-10 p.m. among adults 18-34 (2.2/ 6), women 18-34, women 18-49 (2.6/ 6), teens (2.4/ 7) and female teens (3.9/11)."
http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/78910773?r=78910773#78910773

[TAsunder]

They may not care entirely about quality vs demographics, but HBO, FX, and Showtime certainly seem to care about quality to some degree. Even Arli$$ wasn't that bad compared to most of the stuff on network tv.

[Langree]

People always pick on Arli$$, I enjoyed it.

[lonwolf615]

Well, let me be the only one who thinks the show has actually improved this year. The episodes are tighter and more focused without a season long mystery arc to worry about so they stand out better alone. The relationships between characters are better fleshed out in my opinion-too often in earlier seasons characters seemed almost forced at times to do stuff just to advance the arc. Now there is a more natural flow to the series, where the more important thing is the character's reactions to events and not the events themselves.
So Whedon writes stylized camp huh? And anyone who disagrees is a silly fanboy? Nice how you rationalize so that your opinion is better than anyone elses...I'd humbly suggest your view is a little lacking.
VM is still the best show on tv, and the constant carping and nitpicking among "fans" about it not going the way they wanted seems silly to me. Sort of like complaining about the food as the Titanic goes down..Its still a great show and we should be praising its virtues instead of whining about it not doing what we imagine it should. News flash-its not our show, its Rob's, and he's still turning out a quality product. Gonna miss it when its gone.

[TAsunder]

People always pick on Arli$$, I enjoyed it.

Me too, but not as much as most HBO shows.

[TAsunder]

So Whedon writes stylized camp huh? And anyone who disagrees is a silly fanboy? Nice how you rationalize so that your opinion is better than anyone elses...I'd humbly suggest your view is a little lacking.

Please do enlighten me. I'm also curious on your use of the word rationalization. I stated an opinion and offered no logical proof or rationale behind it. I find whedon's work to be delightful camp but not any sort of great masterpiece. There are people on these forums who think Firefly is a great masterpiece, and I respectfully (or maybe disrespectfully) disagree.

[skywalkr2]

Of course everyone will claim to have been astute enough to have caught it in its initial run.
Not astute - just lucky :)

[FilmCritic3000]

Well here's where we stand at the moment, fellow fans.

After initially reporting that The CW had cancelled the series, Kristin Veitch from E! updated that info with new news. Here's that news, confirmed by The Hollywood Reporter:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3ic85c5d7c8fb9be4601ee8c9e765e10d5

Veronica Mars might be looking at a quick graduation from Hearst College. The fate of the CW's cult favorite remains uncertain, but if the show returns for a fourth season in the fall, it might find the young sleuth in a different setting. "Veronica Mars" creator Rob Thomas has come up with an idea to fast-forward a couple of years and have Mars studying at the FBI Academy. (As a freshman at Hearst College, Mars (Kristen Bell) has been taking criminology classes and been looking to do an internship at the FBI.) Thomas is filming a trailer for the alternative fourth season of the Warner Bros. TV/Silver Pictures show, which will be submitted to the CW. The network's executives ultimately will decide whether to pick up the series for another season and, if they do, whether to stick to the drama's current plot line or go with the new version.

Here's Kristin's updated post:

At this hour, here's what I can tell you:

I just heard from Veronica mastermind and showrunner Rob Thomas, who tells me, "If we're cancelled, I certainly don't know about it."

And according to CW insiders, the CW has not officially canceled Veronica Mars. However, here's the catch: They are currently considering a different format for the fourth season. From what I hear, that format would leap four years into the future and focus on Veronica Mars as an FBI agent. Aside from returning star Kristen Bell (duh), the rest of the cast is yet to be determined, but it isn't likely that many of her current co-stars would be on board.

(Note from FilmCritic3000 - I read in Variety that the guy that plays Piz was recently cast in the Grey's Anatomy spinoff.)

So bottom line: Veronica Mars could be: 1) spinning off into a new format, 2) returning in her college years or 3) getting canceled.

And let me just say, number 3 could be a very real possibility, so it is most definitely time to rally the troops before it's too late! If you care about Veronica Mars and want it to survive (and if you're a fan of good TV, I know you do!), please comment below with your name and message of support. And email your friends the link of this column so they can do the same. (I will forward your comments to the powers that be at the CW.)

Then, please send your "Save Veronica" postcard or letter to:

Dawn Ostroff
President of Entertainment, The CW Television Network
4000 Warner Boulevard, Bldg 168
Burbank, CA 91522-0002

I'm mailing a letter today.

[LoadStar]

Well, this is Kristin, so take all this with a grain of salt. The Hollywood Reporter isn't terribly reliable either... it's no Variety, let's just say.

In any case, I fully expect that unless something miraculous happens, the series is cancelled, and I'm bummed but accepting of that fact. Would I be ecstatic if the series returns? Oh, heck yeah. Would I be ecstatic if the whole series changes and it's JUST Veronica and nothing else, and everything about the show goes out the window? Hmm. That's hard to say. Advancing the show to the FBI Academy? Possibly interesting. Advancing it to have her as an agent already? That's a little more odd.

I came to the realization that this show suffers from the "Sunnydale" (Buffy the Vampire Slayer) problem. Through no fault of Rob's, (he never envisioned this as an actual series, let alone one lasting 3 seasons plus - it was supposed to be a book) he featured the show in a small town. The problem with small towns - everyone ends up being connected with everyone else, and all the peril happens to a very small number of people. Moving Veronica to a new town might help refresh the series... unfortunately, it'd mean leaving behind all the characters we like, but rarely see or don't see enough of (Mac, Wallace, Weevil), but it would give more opportunity for stuff to happen that doesn't necessarily put Veronica in peril all the time.

[mrpantstm]

A 3 year jump to the FBI academy would completely throw this series for me. Oh sure I'd watch it but it'd be a far stretch to keep the characters and dynamics that make me love this show. The FBI academy is here in Quantico, VA if I'm not mistaken and Quantico is not as photogenic as Neptune. :D

[mwhip]

Not sure how I feel about a 3 year jump into the future. It is almost like a CW version of Karen Sisco.

Actually I would like to see Rob return to his original idea with Veronica which is was a series of books.

[ElJay]

I wouldn't mind a jump a few years into the future... In fact I think I'd prefer it. The only recurring character I would really miss would be Keith, and I hope he could stick around somehow anyway. The other characters are either screwed up beyond repair (Logan) or hardly featured any more (Wallace).

[TAsunder]

Why bother with quantico when she's already apparently going for an internship there?! It could just be written right into the show. She goes for the internship and they hire her.

[JimSpence]

I think a jump ahead a few years, regardless of format, is a good idea because its getting harder and harder for KB to play a 19-20 year old. See's 26 in real life. Of course, it would have to be something she'd want to do.

[mwhip]

WOW. The message boards at E!, TV Guide and TWOP are going crazy. You know I love this show and I love KB but life will go on if it is cancelled. I do not blame UPN or the CW. This show was given three years to turn a profit for a corporation that is supposed to make profits for its shareholders. You can not walk into a board room and say "well we only have 2 million people watching but those 2 million are rabid" the advertisers and the board would laugh. The only time I get upset is when a network pulls a good show early anything short of a full season. The writers, directors and actors will move on and maybe one day be part of something just as awesome.

[lambertman]

If they're going to cancel it, they really should make the announcement soon. I'd (unsarcastically) hate to see the TWOP fangirls waste hundreds of dollars printing flyers up in a futile effort.

[anom]

I wouldn't mind a jump a few years into the future... In fact I think I'd prefer it. The only recurring character I would really miss would be Keith, and I hope he could stick around somehow anyway. The other characters are either screwed up beyond repair (Logan) or hardly featured any more (Wallace).
I think if any supporting character was retained, it would be Keith; he's her father, after all.

I'd actually enjoy a shake-up like this. The idea of three more years of college-based stories leaves me cold, and I'm bored with the whole Veronica/Logan tortured longing thing.

[gilmoregirls102]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

I don't like that idea!

I want her and Logan to be together!

I don't want the show to end.

/sighs

I am climbing into bed now.... :(

[LoadStar]

I'm sorry, but LoVe is so so over, they need a new word for it. I'd be glad to see the show return from hiatus with Logan married to someone else - anyone else, up to and including Dick - if it means that it semi-permanently puts to bed the Logan-Veronica relationship.

[JimSpence]

I think a new show set about 5 years later with her being a sheriff in a small midwestern town would be interesting. :)

[gilmoregirls102]

I'm sorry, but LoVe is so so over, they need a new word for it. I'd be glad to see the show return from hiatus with Logan married to someone else - anyone else, up to and including Dick - if it means that it semi-permanently puts to bed the Logan-Veronica relationship.
So instead of LoVe... it'd be Lick????

I just wrote my letter.... and sent the address to a lot of my VM friends....

[craftassistant]

Sorry to say it people , but Kristin Bell is ready to move beyond VM. She was doing some pilots apparently for NBC I think it was.


Regardless of what happens hopefully they have a great ending.

[mwhip]

Sorry to say it people , but Kristin Bell is ready to move beyond VM. She was doing some pilots apparently for NBC I think it was.


Regardless of what happens hopefully they have a great ending.

How do you know this? And if she is they are in what is called second position. If VM gets picked up all other shows become moot.

[Neenahboy]

How do you know this? And if she is they are in what is called second position. If VM gets picked up all other shows become moot.

A good example of this is John Stamos and his planned start on ER, which was pushed back when ABC picked up Less Than Jake.

[NoThru22]

A good example of this is John Stamos and his planned start on ER, which was pushed back when ABC picked up Less Than Jake.
ABC picked that up? I thought a horrible set of coincidences and accidents led to that show being on the air.

[madscientist]

Seems like they could do an episode with VM at her internship, so it would be a new setting with all new people (I'm 1,000% with the folks who say Logan/Veronica is starting to emit an unpleasant odor: just take that relationship out to the curb and let someone take it away. Bleah!) without having to skip a bunch of years. Veronica could call on her dad for some detective work when she needs him (although he would have to lose the special election for Sheriff, and what are the odds?) She could even call in Mac for high-tech wizardry. Wallace is tougher to work in, but you never know...

[JimSpence]

I can live with an entirely different show with KB. :)

[mwhip]

Now Julie Gonzalo has been cast in a pilot. Can't wait to see what happens with all this. And if it does not get picked up would love to see Rob leak S4 "pilot" to the web.

[Zevida]

I think rather than trying to continue the show as "Veronica Mars" they could take the character and spin-off an entirely new showed based at the FBI academy (or at the FBI) and pitch it to a new network. It's never going to have success at the CW, but if you introduce it as a new show on a new network, maybe. Not that I think that will ever happen, but I think it would be better than trying to transform the existing show and taking it even further from what made it so great in the first place.

[mwhip]

I think rather than trying to continue the show as "Veronica Mars" they could take the character and spin-off an entirely new showed based at the FBI academy (or at the FBI) and pitch it to a new network. It's never going to have success at the CW, but if you introduce it as a new show on a new network, maybe. Not that I think that will ever happen, but I think it would be better than trying to transform the existing show and taking it even further from what made it so great in the first place.

They did that already, it was called Karen Sisco (http://imdb.com/title/tt0364823/) ;)

[whitson77]

As much as I think Carla Gugino is hot, the writing and musical choices on Karen Sisco were awful.

Kristen Bell has much better writing to work with.

[cmontyburns]

As much as I think Carla Gugino is hot, the writing and musical choices on Karen Sisco were awful.

I strongly disagree (about the writing and maybe even the music). Karen Sisco is one of my most-lamented casualties of recent years. I've always thought it has the misfortune of debuting on ABC one year too early. In the series' only season, ABC was still the basement-dwelling major network, with basically nothing going for it. The next year came Lost and Desperate Housewives, and renewed relevance for the network.

[padmalinowski]

They did that already, it was called Karen Sisco (http://imdb.com/title/tt0364823/) ;)
If I started a guerrilla campaign for a Karen Sisco vs. Veronica Mars, Spy vs. Spy type series, who would join me? ;)

[TAsunder]

Not me. I like Carla Gugino well enough, but karen sisco was boring and nowhere near as witty as VM.

[JimSpence]

Here's a thought. Karen Sisco and Veronica Mars join forces and start a new PI agency. :)

I'd watch that. :D

Just checked the TV.com website and it seems that the next episode of VM is May 1.

[Magnolia88]

How about this? If and when Veronica starts her new career as an FBI agent, she is assigned to a supervisor played by Carla Gugino?

I'm not optimistic about VM's chances of renewal, but I think it could be cool to see what happens with a jump in time. I don't have much hope that new viewers would check out the show in its 4th year, but maybe some of those people that think VM is a "teen" show would watch if she were a bona fide FBI agent.

[JimSpence]

And the Halliwell's can consult. :D

[5thcrewman]

I want to see the clock advanced just enough that we could see VM doing undercover work as an Exotic Dancer....

[JimSpence]

Does "undercover" and "exotic dancer" really go together? :)

[gilmoregirls102]

I just want the show to have a 4th season...

[mwhip]

I just want the show to have a 4th season...

Well go here (http://www.eonline.com/polls/full_page_poll.jsp?pollID=6084) and vote.

[gilmoregirls102]

Well go here (http://www.eonline.com/polls/full_page_poll.jsp?pollID=6084) and vote.
Done.

Plus, I sent a letter. :p

[gilmoregirls102]

Has anyone heard anything more about Veronica Mars?
Is there going to be a 4th season?
Has anything been decided?

[mwhip]

Has anyone heard anything more about Veronica Mars?
Is there going to be a 4th season?
Has anything been decided?

Probably won't know anything until May at the network upfronts. I would check the E! online boards often there is a big VM movement on there and they update a lot.

http://boards.eonline.com/Insider/Boards/index.jspa?categoryID=1

[mwhip]

Oh it is in the Watch With Kristin secition of the boards.

[TAsunder]

No news, but I did see the following article recently which I enjoyed... wonder if they will have an impact.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/magazine/20070327_Jonathan_Storm___Save_my_show_.html

[gilmoregirls102]

No news, but I did see the following article recently which I enjoyed... wonder if they will have an impact.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/magazine/20070327_Jonathan_Storm___Save_my_show_.html
HAHA

I know people who chipped in for that banner... :up: :up:

[LoadStar]

Has anyone heard anything more about Veronica Mars?
Is there going to be a 4th season?
Has anything been decided?

Nothing official - but most of the cast has apparently been released or allowed to look for other employment (many have already tested for various pilots) indicating that if the show DOES come back, it will be a major retooling.

Officially, the line is that they will announce at the upfronts in May.

[gilmoregirls102]

Nothing official - but most of the cast has apparently been released or allowed to look for other employment (many have already tested for various pilots) indicating that if the show DOES come back, it will be a major retooling.

Officially, the line is that they will announce at the upfronts in May.
:(

[Jeeters]

They were talking about it in last weeks' TV Guide podcast - the hosts of that podcast are big fans of the show and get a lot of inside scoop on it. They hadn't heard anything recently but their feeling was that it has about a 45% chance of being canceled, 45% chance of being renewed, but retooled, and 10% chance of being renewed and continuing on the same manner.

They also felt that if Gilmore Girls goes away (it's future is also also suspect), then VM has a better chance of being renewed since if CW gets rid of both, they'd be losing a major amount of young female viewer demographic.

[edc]

Nothing official - but most of the cast has apparently been released or allowed to look for other employment (many have already tested for various pilots) indicating that if the show DOES come back, it will be a major retooling.

Officially, the line is that they will announce at the upfronts in May.

Last I heard, "Veronica Mars FBI" and cancellation were running neck-and-neck with "More College VM" a distant third. The cast that have landed new pilots/shows (Piz and Parker) are the ones that would be unlikely to be back in either of the first two cases.

[LoadStar]

Last I heard, "Veronica Mars FBI" and cancellation were running neck-and-neck with "More College VM" a distant third. The cast that have landed new pilots/shows (Piz and Parker) are the ones that would be unlikely to be back in either of the first two cases.
Tina Majorino was also released to look for other roles as well, I believe.

[mrmike]

Tina Majorino was also released to look for other roles as well, I believe.

Wah.

[smak]

I don't think anything can be inferred from any of the non major cast members being released to do other projects. And when I mean non majors, i mean everybody but Kristen & Enrico.

A future FBI Veronica more than likely would feature just those 2, and possibly just Veronica, but I don't think that would happen.

-smak-

[gilmoregirls102]

They were talking about it in last weeks' TV Guide podcast - the hosts of that podcast are big fans of the show and get a lot of inside scoop on it. They hadn't heard anything recently but their feeling was that it has about a 45% chance of being canceled, 45% chance of being renewed, but retooled, and 10% chance of being renewed and continuing on the same manner.

They also felt that if Gilmore Girls goes away (it's future is also also suspect), then VM has a better chance of being renewed since if CW gets rid of both, they'd be losing a major amount of young female viewer demographic.
They should can Gilmore Girls! (not to be confused with gilmoregirls102... ;))
And keep Veronica Mars.
GG has had it's fair run.
VM has NOT!

[beccakell13]

I really am getting nervous about season 4. But I will not be detered from my attempts to get the show renewed! Seriously how do people not see the amazing-ness that is the show?