"24: Day 6: 4:00PM - 5:00PM" 2-26-07 *spoilers*

[Bierboy]

Betting Logan bites it eventually as part of his "redemption".

[cyke93]

from the camera shots, it clear he wants revenge on his wife. i didn't expect the bomb to go off. i think this was the best episode of the season thus far, although i am disappointed thus far with the performance of this season, something isn't clicking, hopefully they still have time to correct things

[jtown0620]

I think that Logan is orchestrating the whole thing Jack entering the Russian embassy is very reminiscent of the China situation. Also the attack on Palmer had to be from some one in a very prominent position. Something tells me Logan's idea of redemption is nothing more than revenge against those he feels are responsible for ruining his life.

[Billyh1026]

There's no way Jack vouches for Logan "because he can talk" to the russian better'n anyone. If anything, he'd have shot Logan just on GP. The rest of the episode was pretty good. But the whole Logan should talk to the russian premier because blah, blah, blah thing was lame. IF Logan had had some REAL reason for talking to him (i.e. blackmail) I'd buy into it. But he didn't. I hope Jack gets to shoot him next week.

[busyba]

Could someone less agnostic than myself explain the significance of the biblical verse Logan was reciting to himself in the mirror (which Jack soon afterwards saw highlighted in Logan's Bible)?

[gchance]

After watching tonight's 24, I looked at the Tivo description:

"President Palmer unites two unlikely and influential people; CTU copes with an unexpected weakness; Jack deals with a familiar foe."

The unexpected weakness at CTU is the fact that THE MOLE INSTALLED A MEN'S ROOM!

Bible references: either it's out of context and Logan has evil motives, OR he's entirely for redemption. The highlighted portion is the beginning of it: Psalm 40 is about coming out of the pit and doing God's will, and sacrificing yourself to God because YOU want to, not because GOD wants you to. At least that's how I read it. For the show, verse 12 stands out:

"For troubles without number surround me; my sins have overtaken me, and I cannot see. They are more than the hairs of my head, and my heart fails within me."

For those interested: Psalm 40 (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=ps+40&version=niv&showtools=0)

It also cross referenced Psalm 27:5:

"For in the day of trouble he will keep me safe in his dwelling; he will hide me in the shelter of his tabernacle and set me high upon a rock."

and Psalm 31:8:

"You have not handed me over to the enemy but have set my feet in a spacious place."

Greg

[smak]

I'm enjoying this season, but it's just way too much like seasons before.

Jack has to infiltrate ANOTHER consulate???
Another nuclear bomb goes off near L.A.?
Another Palmer presidency is hijacked due to Palmer's being looked at as weak?

C'mon.

-smak-

[waldingrl]

We chuckled when we saw the preview with him invading the consulate. :rolleyes:

[ping]

Hey, mind the preview spoilers.

[ScottE22]

All I know is Jack's dad ran out of that warehouse and typed in Logan's number on that Treo awfully quickly... ;)

No worries, though, CTU is setting up a perimeter - and we all know how iron-clad those are! He'll never escape!

Help me recall from last season what Logan's involvement was with ex-President Palmer's assassination... The assassination was just a ploy to bring Jack out of hiding, no?

[IndyJones1023]

All I know is Jack's dad ran out of that warehouse and typed in Logan's number on that Treo awfully quickly... ;)
He could have been typing it in behind Jack's back.

[hefe]

The code to set off the bomb was 624...

Here on Season 6 of 24. :D

[newsposter]

what kind of ring of people is this? they all seem to have history and lead back to one another.

next thing you know, kim will be the mole!

oh and they had bathrooms before...at least female..i recall someone the other year hiding it one

[bruinfan]

Help me recall from last season what Logan's involvement was with ex-President Palmer's assassination... The assassination was just a ploy to bring Jack out of hiding, no?
The Bluetooths, who we now know as Jack's Brother's Syndicate, orchestrated a plan to bring down russian terrorists, which was to give them 14 Cannisters of Centox Nerve Gas, and then bomb them or something. They got the cooperation of Logan and Walt somehow... but david Palmer found out, and HAD to talk to Martha Logan. they found out about palmer and decided to kill him, and to cover it up, they killed tony and michelle, and tried to kill chloe. these were the people that knew jack was still alive, i think, so this would bring jack out of hiding to avenge their deaths, and give them opportunity to frame jack for all of the murders. so it turns out, graem wanted jack dead.

i think that's fairly accurate...that's just part of it, there are a bunch of subplots... well thought out, don't you think? and they say last season was the best 24 yet...

on a current note:

I hate the morris/alcoholic/chloe being nosy story arc. this would be such a nonissue in real life. he would still be in the medical bay. he wasn't even debriefed. and he wouldn't touch a computer without a psych consult. so did he drink? in the bathroom? i couldn't tell... i know the bottle was almost empty, but was that from earlier? and he was thinking about it, but chloe interrupted him? that's what i got. she would've smelled alcohol if he was drinking. the whole thing is retarded. chloe calling his sponsor in the middle of a crisis, etc. lame


Why does wayne palmer have to talk 100x lower than everyone else!!!??? I can't hear a thing he says. the sad thing is, i don't care, and i don't rewind.

the number they are using 310-597-3781, i THINK they are using the same number for all the phone numbers they give out... they've used it for logan, in one of the first episodes where is showed up on a caller id, and chloe gave it out to morris' ex-sponsor as a call back number.

anyways, typical 24 stuff. exciting, but makes no sense.

[ScottE22]

Ah yes - that's it. Thanks for the re-cap!! I forgot that the original part of the plan was to use the gas on the Russians.

[ScottE22]

He could have been typing it in behind Jack's back.

Ever tried un-holstering and typing on a Treo while holding a sidearm in the other hand? In my experience, it's not easy.... ;) ;) ;)

[FilmCritic3000]

Nobody's mentioned the cameo by Bart Simpson?

She played Morris's previous sponsor.

[cherry ghost]

Nobody's mentioned the cameo by Bart Simpson?

She played Morris's previous sponsor.


Another Scientologist on 24

[FilmCritic3000]

Another Scientologist on 24

Yep that makes two, as Marisol Nichols is also a Scientologist. I've often said that if I was an actor, I couldn't work with a Scientologist, knowing just how much of a warped, wacked-out cult it is (witness Tom Cruise). Take after take would be ruined by me going, "I'm sorry...you believe WHAT?!"

Aside from Jason Lee and Ethan Suplee on My Name Is Earl, another really good show has a Scientologist in the cast - Jason Dohring (he plays Logan on Veronica Mars). He was born into Scientology. Sad, sad, sad.

[TAsunder]

Why would it matter what someone's religion is if you are an actor? Scientology may have goofy beliefs but I am guessing it is offering people something that mainstream religions aren't. I'm not a big believer in fundamentalist interpretations of dianetics, the bible, etc. so it doesn't seem all that weird to me to do some daily rituals that might help calm someone or find peace, even if the "reasons" for it are totally absurd. If I found that weird then I'd not be able to work with most of my coworkers. I mean the hindus AND the christians.

[bruinfan]

Why would it matter what someone's religion is if you are an actor? Scientology may have goofy beliefs but I am guessing it is offering people something that mainstream religions aren't. I'm not a big believer in fundamentalist interpretations of dianetics, the bible, etc. so it doesn't seem all that weird to me to do some daily rituals that might help calm someone or find peace, even if the "reasons" for it are totally absurd. If I found that weird then I'd not be able to work with most of my coworkers. I mean the hindus AND the christians.
Tom, is that you? ;) :p

[DevdogAZ]

on a current note:

I hate the morris/alcoholic/chloe being nosy story arc. this would be such a nonissue in real life. he would still be in the medical bay. he wasn't even debriefed. and he wouldn't touch a computer without a psych consult. so did he drink? in the bathroom? i couldn't tell... i know the bottle was almost empty, but was that from earlier? and he was thinking about it, but chloe interrupted him? that's what i got. she would've smelled alcohol if he was drinking. the whole thing is retarded. chloe calling his sponsor in the middle of a crisis, etc. lame

YES. Why on earth do they think we care about Morris and Chloe? Quit showing contrived drama at CTU and show us the real stuff out in the field. IMO, we should only be seeing CTU when they are interacting with field agents (i.e. Jack). Otherwise, the scenes there are pretty much useless (until the next mole shows up, or the terrorists plant Centox Nerve Gas in the ventilation system).

[Jayjoans]

Argh. Chloe is not attractive, played by a terrible actress and can only make one face. I love my Tivo to FF when Chloe is on, and nothing is missed.

[TAsunder]

We need chloe scenes for comic relief. The looks on her face are comedy gold.

[IJustLikeTivo]

Argh. Chloe is not attractive, played by a terrible actress and can only make one face. I love my Tivo to FF when Chloe is on, and nothing is missed.

Stand back and wait. The Chloe lovers will be after you now.

BTW, she cleans up really well. She looked great on Leno in HD a few weeks back.

[newsposter]

just watched firewall...chloe IS the same in every show she is in

she

whined and gave that face when she was fired

[Bierboy]

...Why does wayne palmer have to talk 100x lower than everyone else!!!??? I can't hear a thing he says.....It seemed even worse last night than usual. That's one reason we run closed captions during 24.

[TAsunder]

Roberto Benigni makes the same faces in all his movies too. So what... it's still funny!!

[gchance]

just watched firewall...chloe IS the same in every show she is in

she

whined and gave that face when she was fired

The challenge has been issued.

Go watch Punch Drunk Love and tell me she only plays one character. If you don't want to watch that, watch Girls Guitar Club, which is similar but predates Tenacious D. She co-wrote it with her comedy partner:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlEGZmduSdE

Definitely NOT Chloe. :p

Greg

[TAsunder]

Hm... I don't remember her in PDL... who was "Elizabeth" (aka Chloe) in that movie? I'd watch it again but my DVD watching TV is on the fritz. I loved that tv. I wanted to mash its eyeballs, or something like that.

[FilmCritic3000]

Why would it matter what someone's religion is if you are an actor? Scientology may have goofy beliefs but I am guessing it is offering people something that mainstream religions aren't. I'm not a big believer in fundamentalist interpretations of dianetics, the bible, etc. so it doesn't seem all that weird to me to do some daily rituals that might help calm someone or find peace, even if the "reasons" for it are totally absurd. If I found that weird then I'd not be able to work with most of my coworkers. I mean the hindus AND the christians.

Read the TIME magazine articles on this website:

http://www.xenu.net

Rolling Stone also had a really great in-depth article last year as well:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9363363/inside_scientology?rnd=1141585475703&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.1212

[TAsunder]

Sorry, I already knew most of that. Doesn't change my opinion that I would have no reason to be so put off by a scientologist's beliefs that I couldn't work with them. Besides, "Jesus Camp" was more disturbing to me than anything that has been revealed about scientology.

[gchance]

Hm... I don't remember her in PDL... who was "Elizabeth" (aka Chloe) in that movie? I'd watch it again but my DVD watching TV is on the fritz. I loved that tv. I wanted to mash its eyeballs, or something like that.

She was Adam Sandler's sister.
http://uf.susu.org/films/images/PunchDrunkLoveW.jpg

Greg

[MrGreg]

Anyone else notice the men's room at CTU for some odd reason didn't have any urinals?

[TAsunder]

It also looked eerily similar to the women's restroom from season 1

[newsposter]

The challenge has been issued.



I feel like i need a horse and some armor or something. Is this an official TCF thing? link?

[ThePennyDropped]

Anyone else notice the men's room at CTU for some odd reason didn't have any urinals?

Bathrooms at CTU don't need urinals or toilets, since they're just for having secret cell phone calls between moles and bosses and the occasional killing.

--Debbie

[PacMan3000]

I think this season is starting to prove that this show definitely needs MORE than Jack Bauer to be interesting and engaging. Think about it--each season prior to this had Jack who everyone loves, but also other characters that you were equally both interested in watching and invested in. Hell, in season one, David Palmer was just as integral to the show as Jack was.

In season two, Nina and Tony were big. We also had Mason. Season three still had David Palmer, and Sherry Palmer was always interesting. Season four had Heller for a good stretch among others. And season five, while quite a few died, still had Charles and Martha Logan who were amazing to watch.

You can maybe blame it on the writing and plot points of this season, but really, who in season six do you really like or care about? This is the first year where I cannot name a single character.

[newsposter]

i care about bill's wife..the military transport must be taking the REAL 5 hours to get from DC to LA since we haven't seen her transfer next to her hubby yet.

[Church AV Guy]

I think this season is starting to prove that this show definitely needs MORE than Jack Bauer to be interesting and engaging. Think about it--each season prior to this had Jack who everyone loves, but also other characters that you were equally both interested in watching and invested in. Hell, in season one, David Palmer was just as integral to the show as Jack was.

In season two, Nina and Tony were big. We also had Mason. Season three still had David Palmer, and Sherry Palmer was always interesting. Season four had Heller for a good stretch among others. And season five, while quite a few died, still had Charles and Martha Logan who were amazing to watch.

You can maybe blame it on the writing and plot points of this season, but really, who in season six do you really like or care about? This is the first year where I cannot name a single character.
True, but the silver lining is, there is no Kim, no mountain lion, no murderous nanny employer, and no sleazy psychologist. Always look on the bright side.

Oh, and another thing, we are still less than half way through the season. Next week is hour twelve. Of course, the producers might want to cut the season down from twenty-four episodes and maybe CLAIM it is on a daylight savings time change Sunday and make it twenty-three instead. Anyway, there is still a long way to go.

Jack is pretty good, back in the thick of things considering only eleven hours ago he got off a plane from China as a prisoner. He does bounce back.

Why do I have such a difficult time with Morris? He can't really be a bad guy given that he was tortured BY the bad guy. The only way he could be a mole is if no one knew that it was him. He might have mentioned it while they were drilling holes in him. Since it is really unlikely he is a mole, why don't I trust him?

[bruinfan]

we need more hobbits!!!!

[gchance]

we need more hobbits!!!!

Yeah, but there's really only one who would qualify for 24. MAYBE we could have a terrorist Bilbo Baggins.

Greg

[busyba]

Tom, is that you? ;) :p
Don't be glib. :D

[philw1776]

we need more hobbits!!!!

Yeah!
Hobbits being tortured!
Hobbits being killed!

Sorry, I'm having real problems knowing that 'Kate' on LOST is with that frakin' hobbit!

[Zevida]

Hey, mind the preview spoilers.

Seriously :mad: I make it a point to avoid any and all previews for 24, so I don't appreciate reading them in the episode thread.

I thought this episode was pretty good. Interesting that Logan was still wearing his wedding ring. I found myself cheering for Tom Lennox to escape and stop the bomb, which is funny since just a few episodes ago I thought he was a weasel!

The going-ons at CTU are dull and I wouldn't mind that story moving along a little quicker.

I'm not at all surprised that Jack is working with Logan. If Jack can put aside his feelings to work with Nina, he can work with anyone, no matter what they did to him. I do find it funny that Jack is making googly eyes at his sister-in-law considering the last time in the US he was madly in love with Audrey.

[Bierboy]

...I found myself cheering for Tom Lennox to escape and stop the bomb, which is funny since just a few episodes ago I thought he was a weasel!....From the beginning, I kept telling my wife (who also thought/thinks he's a weasel) that I liked Lennox....now I can say "I told you so"!

[TAsunder]

Eh... I still don't like him that much. Is it really to the point where abhorrent policies are forgivable because he did what would be expected of anyone with morals in trying to thwart an assassination?

[Bierboy]

Eh... I still don't like him that much. Is it really to the point where abhorrent policies are forgivable because he did what would be expected of anyone with morals in trying to thwart an assassination?I should be more specific...I like his character....he's shifty, weasely, slimey, but, in the end, he did what was right.

[DevdogAZ]

I do find it funny that Jack is making googly eyes at his sister-in-law considering the last time in the US he was madly in love with Audrey.
At the beginning of the season Jack asked about Audrey. He told Bill not to tell her that he was back.

As for Marilyn, it's been pretty strongly hinted that he hasn't had any contact with Graem's family for many years, but that back before that, there was something between Jack and Marilyn. I don't think it's that unbelievable that these feelings are coming back now that he has the chance to see her again.

[DougF]

At the beginning of the season Jack asked about Audrey. He told Bill not to tell her that he was back.

As for Marilyn, it's been pretty strongly hinted that he hasn't had any contact with Graem's family for many years, but that back before that, there was something between Jack and Marilyn. I don't think it's that unbelievable that these feelings are coming back now that he has the chance to see her again.

Plus, Marilyn is way hotter than Audrey. :)

[phox_mulder]

As for Marilyn, it's been pretty strongly hinted that he hasn't had any contact with Graem's family for many years, but that back before that, there was something between Jack and Marilyn. I don't think it's that unbelievable that these feelings are coming back now that he has the chance to see her again.

Not to mention he is the father of her son.

There's no way that blond, blue eyed, 6 foot son sprang from 5 foot tall, bald, brown haired Graem.

No spoilers because it's not, it's bloody obvious. :D


phox

[5thcrewman]

Plus, Marilyn is way hotter than Audrey. :)
I think Jack could choke either way with those two.

[madscientist]

At the beginning of the season Jack asked about Audrey. He told Bill not to tell her that he was back.Quite decent of him, too, since he was about to be handed over to terrorists to be killed. Why call Audrey for that?

Not to mention he is the father of her son.A popular opinion, but I'm not so sure. They might do it but the timelines do not work out: for Jack to be the dad we have to assume that he cheated on his own wife (when they already had a child) with his sister-in-law... obviously not unheard of but it doesn't seem very Jack-like behavior. Either that or they'll have to retroactively adjust Jack's marital situation.

[kar74]

Any guesses as to how long it'll be before we see Pres. Palmer up and about again? I'm thinking within the next 2 hours. His wounds looked a little worse than Morris'. :p

An aside: It's so hard for me to see Peter MacNicol as Tom Lennox. I just keep seeing "The Biscuit" from Ally McBeal. :)

[kdelande]

It seemed even worse last night than usual. That's one reason we run closed captions during 24.
OMG, we have to do the same thing! It's so frustrating, volume up to hear him - then BOOM big explosion, wake the kids up.

So yes, CC is on for all 24 eps now.

KD

[bruinfan]

An aside: It's so hard for me to see Peter MacNicol as Tom Lennox. I just keep seeing "The Biscuit" from Ally McBeal. :)
waiting for him to nose whistle??? :D

[Tsiehta]

ok, I've only seen about 5 entire episodes of 24, ever. I've seen the last three because my gf is into it.

Is it just me, or is the Chloe/Morris story the absolute worst on TV? How the heck do these two get ANY work done. EVERY single time they are assigned to do something, they start to and then they run off together, have a little inane pow-wow. And in this episode, Chloe was supposed to call the highway patrol and clear a corridor. She started to, and then ran after Morris again. The whole time she's telling him he needs to be focused and she wants to make sure he can do his job, yet she can't even do hers! I HATE IT!!!

But her facial expressions ARE comedy gold :D

[rgr]

Bathrooms at CTU don't need urinals or toilets, since they're just for having secret cell phone calls between moles and bosses and the occasional killing.

--Debbie
And here I thought they didn't have urinals because all the men with the right equipment to use them were out in the field.

[rgr]

Plus, Marilyn is way hotter than Audrey. :)
Plus, he's been in a Chinese prison for 2 (?) years.

[allan]

Not to mention he is the father of her son.

There's no way that blond, blue eyed, 6 foot son sprang from 5 foot tall, bald, brown haired Graem.

No spoilers because it's not, it's bloody obvious. :D


phox

When Jack remarked that Josh looked like his mom, I thought "No, he looks more like his dad". And I sure didn't mean Graem. :)

[allan]

ok, I've only seen about 5 entire episodes of 24, ever. I've seen the last three because my gf is into it.

Is it just me, or is the Chloe/Morris story the absolute worst on TV?

It's just you. :) I've seen much worse, some of it on 24! :D

[gchance]

But her facial expressions ARE comedy gold :D
http://24headquarters.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/chloe-obrian-24-stupid-face.jpg

Her vintage pouting was in the 4th season though.

Greg

[jking]

When Jack remarked that Josh looked like his mom, I thought "No, he looks more like his dad". And I sure didn't mean Graem. :)

They will probably go with Jack being the father, but I've mentioned in a previous thread that I had blond hair up until it started darkening around age 12-14 and both my parents have dark brown hair. My Dad had blond hair too as a kid. I still don't have hair nearly as dark as either of my parents. And besides, has parent/child casting always been 100% perfect when it comes to these things? I'm more preoccupied with how Jack and Graem avoided inheriting their father's huge nose. :confused: :D

But at the same time, when Jack made the above quoted remark, I really expected her to respond with "I think he looks just like you."

[Bierboy]

...A popular opinion, but I'm not so sure. They might do it but the timelines do not work out: for Jack to be the dad we have to assume that he cheated on his own wife (when they already had a child) with his sister-in-law... obviously not unheard of but it doesn't seem very Jack-like behavior. Either that or they'll have to retroactively adjust Jack's marital situation....quite true...and they've been planting that seed with the viewers rather blatantly (at least, IMO). So it would truly be 24-like to have it NOT be the case.

[5thcrewman]

Jack's nephew reminds me of a 'The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes' -era Kurt Russell

ETA- Fixed movie title

[IndyJones1023]

Jack's nephew reminds me of a 'The Computer That Wore Tennis Shoes' -era Kurt Russell
It's the eyes.

[DevdogAZ]

A popular opinion, but I'm not so sure. They might do it but the timelines do not work out: for Jack to be the dad we have to assume that he cheated on his own wife (when they already had a child) with his sister-in-law... obviously not unheard of but it doesn't seem very Jack-like behavior. Either that or they'll have to retroactively adjust Jack's marital situation.
Perhaps you missed the first episode of the series. IIRC, it started with Jack and Teri having a fight/argument/discussion about whether they should stay together or not and I seem to recall the reason was that he had been seeing someone else.

[bruinfan]

Perhaps you missed the first episode of the series. IIRC, it started with Jack and Teri having a fight/argument/discussion about whether they should stay together or not and I seem to recall the reason was that he had been seeing someone else.
it ended up being nina myers

[philw1776]

Perhaps you missed the first episode of the series. IIRC, it started with Jack and Teri having a fight/argument/discussion about whether they should stay together or not and I seem to recall the reason was that he had been seeing someone else.

And that 'someone else' turned out to be a CTU cohort and later a Baddie, Nina!

[stellie93]

Either that or they'll have to retroactively adjust Jack's marital situation.

That'll work. ;)

[Rob Helmerichs]

Perhaps you missed the first episode of the series. IIRC, it started with Jack and Teri having a fight/argument/discussion about whether they should stay together or not and I seem to recall the reason was that he had been seeing someone else.
Yes, and for the nephew to be the son (which I suspect is where they're headed), infidelity would have to have been a pattern and not a one-time affair.

Which seems a little out of character for Jack, but then again, as the series has progressed just the affair with Nina has come to seem more and more out of character for Jack.

[madscientist]

Yeah, what Rob and bruinfan said... that was Nina and it seemed to me like the marital troubles were relatively recent. Also, were Jack and his wife separated when he was seeing Nina? I'm not so sure about that... but I'm pretty sure Jack's wife didn't know about Nina when they separated.

[kar74]

When Jack remarked that Josh looked like his mom, I thought "No, he looks more like his dad". And I sure didn't mean Graem. :)

I'd be very surprised to find that Jack wasn't the father. As soon as I saw Josh I thought he looked a LOT like Kim and could probably pass as her brother in real life. :p

[philw1776]

He DOES look and act stupid, doesn't he?