Heroes - 2/27/07 - "Company Man" (spoilers)

[vertigo235]

Are we really debating this? Does it really matter that much?

[alpacaboy]

Are we really debating this? Does it really matter that much?
Hasn't the Cheerleader's age been of the utmost importance since the beginning of Heroes? :)

[dimented]

Hasn't the Cheerleader's age been of the utmost importance since the beginning of Heroes? :)

Well, it surely has here in these threads. ;)

[smak]

Hasn't the Cheerleader's age been of the utmost importance since the beginning of Heroes? :)


Wait, so we have to add time to the countdown timer???

:D

-smak-

[johnperkins21]

To me, the contradiction is that in the aired episode HRG doesn't seem to want to have anything to do with the baby. In the comic

He's immediately loving and protective of baby Claire.

Ding, ding, ding, ding... exactly what I thought when I read the graphic novel. And this is the contradiction I was talking about.

Did we watch different episodes on NBC? In the only scene I recall seeing with Claire as a baby, on the rooftop of the Devaux building, HRG didn't even hold her. Hiro's father held her, and HRG received his orders. How does that mean he wants nothing to do with the baby?

Sulu handed baby Claire over to HRG and then walked away. At this point HRG took posession of Claire and seemed somewhat hesitant. It was at this point where he talked about how he thought he might not be a good father.

[unicorngoddess]

Did we watch different episodes on NBC? In the only scene I recall seeing with Claire as a baby, on the rooftop of the Devaux building, HRG didn't even hold her. Hiro's father held her, and HRG received his orders. How does that mean he wants nothing to do with the baby?

I'm pretty sure we watched the same episode. HRG wasn't interacting with the baby until Hiro's father ordered him to raise her as his own. But the comic had a different spin to it.

[DevdogAZ]

HRG's hesitance at that point was likely caused simply by his uncomfortability with a little baby, which isn't uncommon in a young guy with no kids and no intention of having any.

[MFruchey]

HRG's hesitance at that point was likely caused simply by his uncomfortability with a little baby, which isn't uncommon in a young guy with no kids and no intention of having any.

Very good point...you usually don't find too many men who are jumping up and down to hold some baby they don't know, and I wouldn't imagine they would jump up and down in excitement about being handed a baby by their bosses.

[IndyJones1023]

Did Eric Roberts get the same cheek implants as Mickey Rourke?

[JETarpon]

HRG's hesitance at that point was likely caused simply by his uncomfortability with a little baby, which isn't uncommon in a young guy with no kids and no intention of having any.

Uncomfortability? Is that anything like discomfort?

[mr flynn]

I just watched this episode and I'm very confused .Is HRG Dead or did the Hatian just make him forget Claire?I thought that Claire was leaving because the company knew she has these special powers,so the Hatian guy is going to hide her.I also thought that HRG Man died at first but who knows.Who is Eric Roberts character(Thompson) He works for the company right?and I thought that Linderman was the big man behind all of this crap so how does Hiro's Dad fit into all of this?An interesting week !!!

[Delta13]

HRG's hesitance at that point was likely caused simply by his uncomfortability with a little baby, which isn't uncommon in a young guy with no kids and no intention of having any.
Uncomfortability? Is that anything like discomfort?It's a little known Hero power. Uncomfort Ability. The ability to feel remarkable uncomfortable in a short period of time. Like when your boss' boss hands you a baby to keep ... :)

Sadly, like Excessive BO Man, this isn't a power anyone really wants.

[Fassade]

I just watched this episode and I'm very confused .Is HRG Dead or did the Hatian just make him forget Claire?I thought that Claire was leaving because the company knew she has these special powers,so the Hatian guy is going to hide her.I also thought that HRG Man died at first but who knows.Who is Eric Roberts character(Thompson) He works for the company right?and I thought that Linderman was the big man behind all of this crap so how does Hiro's Dad fit into all of this?An interesting week !!!
One of the fun things about the show is it leaves many actions open for interpretation, but regarding my favorite character, HRG:


HRG was under Company orders to surrender Claire if she ever exhibited a power
His "Regional Supervisor" (Roberts) plainly threatened HRG that his wife would be killed if she found out about any super-normal activity, and he first introduced the Hatian to HRG to erase her memories.
When Claire's healing ability manifested, HRG kept this hidden from the Company. This allowed him to keep raising Claire as his daughter, as she was still "normal" as far as the Company was concerned. HRG also had the Hatian erase Sandra's memory on several occasions to preserve this secret.
Roberts saw Claire heal during the showdown with Ted, and ordered HRG to turn Claire in.
HRG, being a "Company Man" agrees to turn Claire in to the company.
HRG, being HRG, instead has a contingency plan ready :). He arranges the Hatian to take Claire into hiding. To make the abduction plausible, he has the Hatian shoot him in a non-fatal spot. To give him plausible deniability back at the Company, he has the Hatian erase, at a minimum, any memory he has of Claire's powers prior to the showdown with Ted.

This still leaves lots of questions for future episodes.

Why does his memory need to be erased -- does the Company have other Hatians (or Matt Parkmans) who can dig through his mind? How much of Claire needs to be erased to keep her safe, and will he be the same HRG afterwards? What about Sandra and Lyle? The neighbors may not have seen Claire heal, but they certainly did -- will Roberts make good on his long-ago threat? Presumably the "clean-up" woman will handle that, but how?

And those are just questions for the HRG/Claire subplot, without even touching on the questions raised this week about Claude, Parkman, George Takei, or Linderman. Great episode.

[ccooperev]

I think we can also now deduce that the Deveaux's are in on this. One of the flashbacks took place on top of the Deveaux building in NYC. We have also seen Peter having dreams after hanging out with Mr. Deveaux but not since his death. If we assume Deveaux, Sr. has powers, then it stands to reason his daughter does as well. Let's posit then that one has the dream power and the other has the power to share powers, sort of Peter's power turned outward. Simone's dying and Peter's desperate attempts to save her result in him figuring out one or more of that family's powers.

Also, using this line of thinking, it becomes possible that Claude was shielding Simone, but that doesn't seem right based on his previous interactions with Peter concerning her.

Ya, I think the Deveraux's are involved and is Sr. really dead?

:cool:

[ccooperev]

or Shaun Livingston :eek:




Aqua Net :D




HEY NBC, if you're lurking, this would be a killer commercial for some hair product. We'd even TIVO it and play it back dozens of times. The Cheerleader emerging from the burning building all charred but for the hairdo that is perfect.

[Delta13]

This episode was so good I still feel guilty about deleting it. Even Mr. Muggles wasn't annoying. It might go to pieces later, but right now the show is so good I can watch the previews and still be constantly surprised.

(And nobody mentioned that the Spiderman 3 trailer will shown during next week's episode.)

[Rob Helmerichs]

Why does his memory need to be erased -- does the Company have other Haitians (or Matt Parkmans) who can dig through his mind?
Drugs. Torture.

[Fassade]

Drugs. Torture.

Quite possibly, but I doubt the Company would engage in either. Torture is a notoriously poor method of extracting information (moreso in reality than in TV-land), with a significant incidence of false confessions and/or wastefully and permanently damaging the subject. This is the organization that would not kill/damage Sylar while they thought they could use him, even after he killed an agent (Eden). The Company seems determined/brutal enough to torture, but it just seems too...inefficient for them. More to the point, I think they would specifically recruit and train people (like HRG) who to be resistant to common interrogation techniques. Drugs are more likely, assuming the Company has access to something less common than Sodium Pentathol :)

Of course, I probably am giving the Company too much credit; they obviously make mistakes from time to time. No matter what I think, HRG obviously feels the Company has the means to extract the truth out of him, whether by beatings, druggings, or "heroic" interrogation, and had a plan ready to protect his daughter. I am sure the show will reveal the answers in its own sweet time.

[ping]

I am sure the show will reveal the answers in its own sweet time.

Yes, the pacing has been quite slow, lately, hasn't it? :D

[Jericho Dog]

Drugs. Torture.The Jack Bauer Power Hour!
:D

[THEROCKER]

I finally got around to watching the latest and greatest Heroes episode but I am confused by one thing. I understand the sacrifice that HRG did for his daughter but why did he call his boss (Eric Roberts) to the house in the first place. Didn't Eric Robert's character say that HRG called him? He could have still kept Claire's secret. Thanks.

[Hunter Green]

I mean, we haven't gotten through season one and I just don't understand how they can continue this arc to go bigger and bigger and bigger!You've heard by now how season 2 will be
a new story with mostly new characters, right?

Yes, except the scene ended with TH looming closer, hand outstretched. We didn't actually see the results of the wipe, so there's a possibility that we'll learn in an upcoming episode that it didn't happen.So wait, you're suggesting a Heroes episode could end with something seeming to happen, then another episode could replay the same scene, filling in more details, revealing that what we thought had happened isn't what actually happened? No, I can't believe it. I won't believe it. That could never happen! ;)

I bet it's Angus.My bet is on Slartibartfast.

Uncomfortability? Is that anything like discomfort?This question makes me discomfortable.

[DevdogAZ]

Uncomfortability? Is that anything like discomfort?
No, it's more like noncomfort, which is closely related to miscomfort.

:o

[TAsunder]

I'm not comfortable with TH. I prefer haitian. Or what about combining them together, thaitian and then americanizing it...

So from now on, he's Thetan.




And he won't let claire take any pills.

[drew2k]

The last scene with C, TH, and HRG was awesome! Nice touch that it was the same bridge that HRG took IG to.

I can't wait until C, TH, H, A, PP, NP, I, IG, and P all get together in NY. That will be beyond kewl!

[Cereal_Killer]

One of the better examples of how radiation works: you can’t get sun burn from someone who was sunburned. ;) So you can come in contact with someone who has received a lethal dose of radiation and not be effected by them (unless there were also contaminated, but that is a different thing).
However, there are so many other ways in which they bend the laws of physics , so why focus on this one? :).

Finally! Someone with some common sense! :)

[danterner]

I can't wait until C, TH, H, A, PP, NP, I, IG, and P all get together in NY. That will be beyond kewl!

LOL

[mightyb]

I FINALLY watched last week's episode...

I like when Matt couldn't read the mind of HRG because he was "thinking in Japanese"...

Also, on Hiro's father....wasn't there dialog in the first episode where we met Hiro's father where Hiro is telling him all about how he needs to be a Hero and save the world???

[unicorngoddess]

Also, on Hiro's father....wasn't there dialog in the first episode where we met Hiro's father where Hiro is telling him all about how he needs to be a Hero and save the world???

That's what I thought. I was pretty sure Hiro told him he was special and he had a mission to complete, etc.

[thurston608]

so who else is psyched not only about tonight's new episode...but for the spiderman preview we are getting?! they are gonna show a whole minute during the show (it's gonna look so good in HD) and then there will be a total of 7 and a half minutes of footage online at: http://www.nbc.com/Spiderman/

should be an awesome night!

[robinreale]

Is there another hiatus after tonight's episode?

[phox_mulder]

Is there another hiatus after tonight's episode?

I believe so, then it'll be back for May sweeps, 5 episodes worth.

Or maybe next week is the last one before May?


phox

[nataylor]

There will be an episode next week (March 12), then 4 episodes in May.

[cherry ghost]

Is there another hiatus after tonight's episode?


Yes

[logic88]

Not what he's talking about. He's talking about this dialog:

HRG: I gave you specific instructions
Haitian: I answer to someone whose instructions supersede yours.
HRG: In this company?
Haitian: In your daughter's life.

So who does he answer to, in Claire's life?

Nathan?

At least we now know the answer to this tidbit:

[Moved to current thread.]

Edit: Whoops. Thanks, PJO1966 for the reminder. Wasn't thinking there.

[PJO1966]

At least we now know the answer to this tidbit:


That information either needs to be spoilerized or placed in the thread for this week.