Are we like 99% sure Tivo's going to enable Tivo2Go? [Text View]

synch22

02-14-2007, 08:24 PM

Deacon West

02-14-2007, 08:29 PM

I don't think I'd go quite 99%, but I might agree to 90%. Two reasons:

1. when the 8.1 upgrade first hit, one poster had partial funtionality for MRV. Now, I know MRV isn't TTG, but they are definitely close sisters in the HMO family. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4867245&&#post4867245
Later in that same thread, Pony stated it was a mistake, but I'm kind of a conspiracy theorist and don't really think it was a mistake, but rather something we in the TCF could point to to and say, "hey, we are very close to having our Home Media Options on our S3's." Now I'm not saying Pony intentionally misrepresented anything and it is just a feeling that someone at TiVo knew that code was in there and decided to let it go onto a few boxes before "fixing" the problem.

2. It is only a matter of time before someone figures out a hack to enable HMO on the S3's, if it hasn't been done already which I suspect it has, it probably just isn't being widely distributed. TiVo knows the clock is ticking. I personally wouldn't support a hack because then the evil CableLabs could point to it and say, "see, those TiVo scofflaws always find a way around DRM, so we aren't going to certify you for HMO on anything that passes through our dear CableCARDs." (Which most of us who have ordered them know that Cable Cos. hate to give out CableCARDs.)

At the end of the day, you either trust TiVo or you don't. They have always been fair to me and I continue to see them being fair in their dealings with others. (Read: ability to transfer lifetime to the S3, ability to give/sell your box with lifetime to someone else, transferring service to another box when replacing under warranty, 30 day guarantee, grandfathered boxes, extension of time to transfer lifetime, making the best darn DVR on the market, etc.) I'm also glad they stood up to E* and protected their patents, but that is another subject entirely.

Puppy76

02-14-2007, 08:36 PM

Yeah, since they've (FINALLY) more or less done Tivo2Go on the Mac, I pretty much trust that if they say they're going to do it for unencrypted stuff on the S3, then they will...but still it's an expensive leap of faith!

But...I'll get to hold that sexy new S3 remote! :D

greg_burns

02-14-2007, 08:47 PM

it is just a feeling that someone at TiVo knew that code was in there and decided to let it go onto a few boxes before "fixing" the problem.

I believe that 8.1 (and probably earlier) has all the bits it needs for Tivo2Go and MRV already. There is just a server side switch that needs to be thrown. It all revolves around our Tivo2Go statuses being i,i,i. It needs to be that other one; a,a,a. Whatever the heck those mean. :)

DeathRider

02-14-2007, 08:58 PM

I believe that 8.1 (and probably earlier) has all the bits it needs for Tivo2Go and MRV already. There is just a server side switch that needs to be thrown. It all revolves around our Tivo2Go statuses being i,i,i. It needs to be that other one; a,a,a. Whatever the heck those mean. :)

i,i,i = inactive
a,a,a = active

:D

I'm guessing one is MRV, one is TTG, one is TiVo GoBack...

wmcbrine

02-14-2007, 09:23 PM

Yes I believe somebody from Tivo has said they're working on making it so TTG and MRV will work with OTA and analog channels....and "Copy Freely" digital cable channels? Surely?

maharg18

02-14-2007, 09:32 PM

analog channels.

Would that mean the food channel too? (its a basic cable network.)

or analog meaning 2,4,7,9,11,13 (if you are in the LA area those are just channel you can get with rabbit ears.)

thanks

Analog meaning anything you can receive without a cablecard.

GoHokies!

02-14-2007, 09:32 PM

Yes I believe somebody from Tivo has said they're working on making it so TTG and MRV will work with OTA and analog channels.

Something to that effect, yes.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=336654&highlight=S3+MRV

We're going to get something, and hopefully soon. Until it comes, we'll have to wait and see.

Scopeman

02-14-2007, 09:34 PM

Yes I believe somebody from Tivo has said they're working on making it so TTG and MRV will work with OTA and analog channels.

Yes. They said that at CES. Specifically, they said it would be NOT in the first update this year, probably in the second. Disk expansion was also mentioned if I recall.

Adam1115

02-14-2007, 10:28 PM

2. It is only a matter of time before someone figures out a hack to enable HMO on the S3's, if it hasn't been done already which I suspect it has, it probably just isn't being widely distributed.

I assume you meant something else? HMO is already enabled on the S3.

dt_dc

02-14-2007, 11:13 PM

My guess for TTG

99% - analog
95% - unencrypted digital (both cable and OTA)
20% - encrypted digital (and if it ever happens, will probably require Vista)

Just a guess though.

btwyx

02-14-2007, 11:57 PM

I'm 100% sure we'll get it for OTA. Slightly less for various forms of cable.

I've already bought the Mac TTG client (Toast 8), I'm just waiting for it to be available.

greg_burns

02-15-2007, 04:29 AM

I assume you meant something else? HMO is already enabled on the S3.

Apparently, HMO includes MRV. I had to look that one up a couple weeks ago.

hookbill

02-15-2007, 06:47 AM

I'm 100% sure we'll get it for OTA. Slightly less for various forms of cable.

I've already bought the Mac TTG client (Toast 8), I'm just waiting for it to be available.

I vote this way too. Premium channels, maybe not.

I think we should get EVERYTHING. However time will tell.

I still have my eSATA drive sitting in my entertainment center waiting to be hooked up. Unfortunately it doesn't look like that will be resolved either until the rest of this issue is.

Maeglin

02-15-2007, 08:41 AM

Apparently, HMO includes MRV. I had to look that one up a couple weeks ago.
I'm curious... where'd you look that up?

While we're tossing acronyms around, how about this one.... HMF (Home Media Features (http://www.tivo.com/1.2.13.asp)), which emcompasses HMO (music and photos, according to the only references I've ever seen to that one), MRV and TTG.

If HMO truly does include MRV/TTG, then it's not a question of whether or not it's there at all, because at least part of it is (the music/photos part). It's a question of completeness.

20% - encrypted digital (and if it ever happens, will probably require Vista)
No doubt CL would enjoy that one... something far more restrictive than they are :rolleyes:

tivotivotivo

02-15-2007, 09:36 AM

Analog meaning anything you can receive without a cablecard.

thank you!

Deacon West

02-15-2007, 09:40 AM

I'm curious... where'd you look that up?

While we're tossing acronyms around, how about this one.... HMF (Home Media Features (http://www.tivo.com/1.2.13.asp)), which emcompasses HMO (music and photos, according to the only references I've ever seen to that one), MRV and TTG.

If HMO truly does include MRV/TTG, then it's not a question of whether or not it's there at all, because at least part of it is (the music/photos part). It's a question of completeness.

You say tomatoe, I say tahmahto. :)

Maeglin

02-15-2007, 09:44 AM

...and "Copy Freely" digital cable channels? Surely?
One would hope. I've got a number of would-be analog recordings waiting to be transferred off, that happen to be from (encrypted, at least in this area) ADS channels. While I can easily transfer those off with an analog connection and video capture hardware, it would be better and faster to do it over the network.

Puppy76

02-15-2007, 11:39 AM

*SIGH* I still have the Series 3 sitting in my cart. Ships just in it's original box from Amazon.

MUST DECIDE!

Maeglin

02-15-2007, 11:48 AM

How about this... if you don't get an S3 for that reason, don't get a cable company DVR either. A little payback for helping make things difficult.

Puppy76

02-15-2007, 01:17 PM

Well I'm not getting a cable company DVR because regardless because there's no way I'd pay for cable :D

My Amazon checkout screen is still up :D

Leo_N

02-15-2007, 01:58 PM

My guess for TTG

99% - analog
95% - unencrypted digital (both cable and OTA)
20% - encrypted digital (and if it ever happens, will probably require Vista)

Just a guess though.

I'm close with you on this one. My thoughts:

99% - analog
90% - OTA Digital
75% - unencrypted digital cable
20% - encrypted digital cable (and agreed on the Vista bit 100%)

Adam1115

02-15-2007, 04:38 PM

Apparently, HMO includes MRV. I had to look that one up a couple weeks ago.

No.. it doesn't.. take the Series3... It has HMO, no MRV. :P

GoHokies!

02-15-2007, 07:17 PM

*SIGH* I still have the Series 3 sitting in my cart. Ships just in it's original box from Amazon.

MUST DECIDE!

Do it! Even without MRV (OR TTG or HMO or HMF or ABC) it beats that pants off of most of the cable DVRs out there, and narrowly beats out the rest.

If you get it and do the lifetime, you'll (almost) certainly not lose money if you decide to sell.

samo

02-15-2007, 08:09 PM

If you get it and do the lifetime, you'll (almost) certainly not lose money if you decide to sell.
I agree with most of what you posted in this thread except for this statement.
Lifetime or not, should SDV force whole bunch of S3 owners to put their units on eBay, the selling price will be determined by supply and demand. Same is true if TiVo drops the price on S3 (again due to market forces). Considering that you can get 3 year prepay for $300 and very good likelihood of SDV being implemented by all cable companies in 3 years, the best choice will be to go prepaid. In 3 years your S3 will be worth close to nothing with lifetime or not, but your S2 with a lifetime will be still worth some money. Or you can sell your lifetimed unit now and offset the cost of the prepaid sub.

GoHokies!

02-16-2007, 05:47 AM

I agree with most of what you posted in this thread except for this statement.
Lifetime or not, should SDV force whole bunch of S3 owners to put their units on eBay, the selling price will be determined by supply and demand. Same is true if TiVo drops the price on S3 (again due to market forces). Considering that you can get 3 year prepay for $300 and very good likelihood of SDV being implemented by all cable companies in 3 years, the best choice will be to go prepaid. In 3 years your S3 will be worth close to nothing with lifetime or not, but your S2 with a lifetime will be still worth some money. Or you can sell your lifetimed unit now and offset the cost of the prepaid sub.

Valid point - I don't agree 100%, but it'll all depend on how fast SDV rolls out. The conservative play (but more work) would be to get an S3 on lifetime and eBay it either now, or in the next few months while the premium is still high on a "Lifetime S3" (Is there any way to search eBay for complete auctions? I tried looking and while there are several out there with a buy it now for 1200-1400 dollars, that doesn't mean someone is going to pay that much for it).

Once you've made a little money off of that (the lifetime the OP has to transfer is going to be worth FAR less in a month than it is now), then go out and buy an S3 with a 3 year prepay...

The real bottom line of my post was to not let TTG stop you from getting an S3 - it isn't like there are tons of DVRs out there that have a TTG like-feature onboard right now, unless you're willing to go the cable-box firewire-computer route, which isn't really a clean or easy solution.

David Platt

02-16-2007, 10:08 AM

Valid point - I don't agree 100%, but it'll all depend on how fast SDV rolls out. The conservative play (but more work) would be to get an S3 on lifetime and eBay it either now, or in the next few months while the premium is still high on a "Lifetime S3" (Is there any way to search eBay for complete auctions? I tried looking and while there are several out there with a buy it now for 1200-1400 dollars, that doesn't mean someone is going to pay that much for it).

That is indeed the going rate on eBay right now for Lifetimes S3s, and that's what people are actually paying. To search for complete auctions, check the 'completed listings' checkbox in the left column of a regular search results page.

montivette

02-16-2007, 12:02 PM

GoHokies!

02-16-2007, 12:11 PM

I would sum up my confidence regarding Tivo To Go by stating I am as confident as the woman on the Maury Povich show who when testing the 7th possible father of her baby says, "I am 1000% sure you are the father of my child."

Like her all we can do is hope, even though we pretend we know the truth.

I would have a little bit more confidence in the CEO of Tivo than I would that mother on the Maury Povich show.

Just a little. ;)

Puppy76

02-17-2007, 04:40 PM

I would have a little bit more confidence in the CEO of Tivo than I would that mother on the Maury Povich show.

Just a little. ;)

I hope :D

Geez, I'm still back to square zero.

Basically I think I'd go for it if it already had Tivo 2 Go, but with just a promise, and an $860 price tag...

MichaelK

02-17-2007, 04:47 PM

yeah but can the CEO of Tivo figure out who the dady of anna nicole smith's kid is? I'm sure Maury can get to the bottom of that.

bilbo

02-17-2007, 05:15 PM

I agree with most of what you posted in this thread except for this statement.
Lifetime or not, should SDV force whole bunch of S3 owners to put their units on eBay, the selling price will be determined by supply and demand. Same is true if TiVo drops the price on S3 (again due to market forces). Considering that you can get 3 year prepay for $300 and very good likelihood of SDV being implemented by all cable companies in 3 years, the best choice will be to go prepaid. In 3 years your S3 will be worth close to nothing with lifetime or not, but your S2 with a lifetime will be still worth some money. Or you can sell your lifetimed unit now and offset the cost of the prepaid sub.

A Series3 with Lifetime will not be worth close to nothing in 3 years, unless there is no Tivo Service in 3 years, in which case an S2 with Lifetime would be worth squat, too. Don't forget the S3 can record HD from an OTA antenna, which means you can get and record all the major networks for free (and saving approximately $50 per month or $600 per year). Considering that most people still watch a lot of programming on just ABC, NBC, and CBS that's not such a bad option.

Puppy76

02-20-2007, 10:59 AM

CRUD!!!! I STILL have the S3 in my cart.

I wish I knew if Vista Home Premium made for a viable Tivo-like DVR. Price-wise it would be fairly comperable (and I wouldn't actually need to buy it for two years).

I just don't know what to do. I can't afford to throw away $860 if they don't activate Tivo2Go for over the air broadcasts :(

Maeglin

02-20-2007, 11:23 AM

I wish I knew if Vista Home Premium made for a viable Tivo-like DVR. Price-wise it would be fairly comperable (and I wouldn't actually need to buy it for two years).
If you pay attention to what goes on around you, there's every reason to believe that Vista will disable or downgrade anything but HDMI/HDCP outputs if "protected" content (or anything it may arbitrarily deem protected) comes across its path... that includes digital audio outputs and any analog outputs. TiVo doesn't go to that level of insanity, for the simple reason that it isn't required to by anyone to carry that content.

The fact that that crap is in there even when you're not using it as a media center PC, interfering and slowing down any kind of use of the OS, is also crazy.

I thumb my nose at Vista on principle for those reasons alone (though, there are others that rub me the wrong way).

I just don't know what to do. I can't afford to throw away $860 if they don't activate Tivo2Go for over the air broadcasts :(
Again, if you pay attention, you'd see that while it may have taken a little longer than expected, they did carry through on the promise of 8.1 for Series3 boxes. There's every reason to believe they'll do the same with the promise of MRV/TTG inside of a year, for unencrypted content at least.

Hell, the HTTPS server in the box is working now with the 8.1 release, and that is what will be used for video transfers from it. Sure, transfers still don't work, but at least that's a step in the right direction for getting them working.

MichaelK

02-20-2007, 11:36 AM

...

Hell, the HTTPS server in the box is working now with the 8.1 release, and that is what will be used for video transfers from it. Sure, transfers still don't work, but at least that's a step in the right direction for getting them working.

didn't notice that bit- need to go home and play...

Puppy76

02-20-2007, 11:53 AM

If you pay attention to what goes on around you, there's every reason to believe that Vista will disable or downgrade anything but HDMI/HDCP outputs if "protected" content (or anything it may arbitrarily deem protected) comes across its path... that includes digital audio outputs and any analog outputs. TiVo doesn't go to that level of insanity, for the simple reason that it isn't required to by anyone to carry that content.

The fact that that crap is in there even when you're not using it as a media center PC, interfering and slowing down any kind of use of the OS, is also crazy.

I thumb my nose at Vista on principle for those reasons alone (though, there are others that rub me the wrong way).

I'm actually also in the market for a laptop. I was going to get a Dell, but I may have to get a Macbook, as supposedly Vista requires "activation" if you reinstall the OS, even when Vista is included with the computer. (XP didn't-it was tied to the system's BIOS, and was essentially pre-activated so it never had to phone home to Microsoft).

Again, if you pay attention, you'd see that while it may have taken a little longer than expected, they did carry through on the promise of 8.1 for Series3 boxes. There's every reason to believe they'll do the same with the promise of MRV/TTG inside of a year, for unencrypted content at least.

Yeah, you're probably right...it's just that $860 is a huge gamble for me (and it's annoying because I don't actually NEED an S3 for two years).

Hell, the HTTPS server in the box is working now with the 8.1 release, and that is what will be used for video transfers from it. Sure, transfers still don't work, but at least that's a step in the right direction for getting them working.

What does it do now? Does it list your programs like an S2, but you can't transfer them yet? That's a step in the right direction I guess.

moyekj

02-20-2007, 11:56 AM

Hell, the HTTPS server in the box is working now with the 8.1 release, and that is what will be used for video transfers from it. Sure, transfers still don't work, but at least that's a step in the right direction for getting them working. Can you elaborate on this? I couldn't get any of the following to respond for example:
https://<tivoip>/nowplaying/index.html
https://<tivoip>/TiVoConnect?Command=QueryContainer&Container=%2FNowPlaying&Recurse=Yes
http://<tivoip>/TiVoConnect?AnchorOffset=0&Command=QueryContainer&Details=All&ItemCount=0

Only this one responds (but that was already the case with 8.0 as well and is not useful other than to check if you S3 is alive):
http://<tivoip>/index.html

Maeglin

02-20-2007, 12:06 PM

Can you elaborate on this? I couldn't get any of the following to respond for example:
They probably wont respond with anything other than "not allowed" until transfers are enabled down the road, but the point is that the HTTPS server wasn't there at all in 8.0.x (nothing was listening on that port). It's at least accepting connections now, even if it doesn't let you at anything.

I never said it was a big step, just a step :)

srea

02-20-2007, 12:10 PM

Puppy76

02-20-2007, 12:55 PM

I swear I can't make up my mind. I just ordered and then canceled! :D

I'd feel like such an idiot if they don't get Tivo2Go up and running.

GoHokies!

02-20-2007, 01:03 PM

I swear I can't make up my mind. I just ordered and then canceled! :D

I'd feel like such an idiot if they don't get Tivo2Go up and running.

C'mon, you know you want to!!!!

Try this kool-aid, it's delicious!!! :D

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4877560&&#post4877560

morac

02-20-2007, 04:12 PM

Even if ToGo is enabled on the S3 for all channels, doesn't necessarily mean it will work for all channels (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=341483).

Puppy76

02-20-2007, 04:30 PM

Shouldn't be an issue for me though, as I'm over the air only.

hookbill

02-20-2007, 04:35 PM

Even if ToGo is enabled on the S3 for all channels, doesn't necessarily mean it will work for all channels (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=341483).

Doesn't mean it won't either. Truth is we just don't know.

Maeglin

02-20-2007, 04:56 PM

Doesn't mean it won't either. Truth is we just don't know.
Ideally, transfer of encrypted digital content would follow those copy-protection flags, instead of a blanket policy of transferring none of it. Copy Freely means just that, after all.

Also ideally, TTG of said content wont require that convoluted ball of sh*t known as Windows Vista.

Puppy76

02-20-2007, 04:56 PM

1 hour and 35 minutes left to get it by Thursday :D

I'm so sorry, I must be driving you guys nuts. It's just that $860 is a LOT of money for me. If I get it, I think I'll use it for three months until the warranty expires, unplug it during the summer, and use up the 1 year of service that would be on my S2...and then hope my S3 could take over as my main unit (ie that it has Tivo 2 Go by next year).

GoHokies!

02-20-2007, 05:06 PM

I think that you'll have it before that. (at least I certainly hope so!)

I think that you'll be really happy once you have it...

Puppy76

02-20-2007, 05:20 PM

Yeah, I'm leaning towards it...I just had another dumb thought...

I wonder how decently it outputs HD resolutions to SD? I have one HDTV, but it's not one I watch TV on, and I've found that I really don't care about HD for TV. The S3 will be connected where the S2 is-on an SD TV.

I think if I do this I will shut down my S3 after the warranty ends though. Should make it last that much longer when I actually need it (and I don't need dual tuners during the summer anyway).

morac

02-21-2007, 10:01 AM

I wonder how decently it outputs HD resolutions to SD? I have one HDTV, but it's not one I watch TV on, and I've found that I really don't care about HD for TV. The S3 will be connected where the S2 is-on an SD TV.
I currently have my S3 hooked up to a normal SD TV via S-Video and it looks about the same as the S2 (maybe a bit better since the signal isn't converted from digital to analog to digital and back to analog like the S2). For some strange reason the HDTV channels actually look better than normal channels on the SD (though not HD), probably because of the over-sampling.

Puppy76

02-21-2007, 11:03 AM

Thanks! I ended up ordering the S3 last night. I'm still iffy on whether it was smart or not, but anyway I'll get it tomorrow.

hookbill

02-21-2007, 11:10 AM

Thanks! I ended up ordering the S3 last night. I'm still iffy on whether it was smart or not, but anyway I'll get it tomorrow.

I'm sure you will be happy with your purchase. Congratulations.

GoHokies!

02-21-2007, 03:39 PM

Thanks! I ended up ordering the S3 last night. I'm still iffy on whether it was smart or not, but anyway I'll get it tomorrow.
Excellent! :)

Please let us know how it works out for you.

srea

02-21-2007, 04:39 PM

I currently have my S3 hooked up to a normal SD TV via S-Video and it looks about the same as the S2 (maybe a bit better since the signal isn't converted from digital to analog to digital and back to analog like the S2). For some strange reason the HDTV channels actually look better than normal channels on the SD (though not HD), probably because of the over-sampling.

From my other post:
Even though I'm currently viewing my S3 on an old 32" CRT non-HD TV I can still see a big difference from my S2. Not just the better compression. I've also noticed that an OTA HD picture downscaled to my 480i TV (or even digital SD) looks better than Cable or OTA analog.

hddude55

02-21-2007, 05:19 PM

i have been on the fence and think I will remain. Too much negative talk about this thing. I have put it in the cart and taken it out. $$$ is not a factor but knowing what all the features that will be enabled, and if support is their for the long haul is. SDV scares me and I think the lifetime series 2 even though the picture is not great on the lcd does the job. Tivo needs to convince the masses this tivo series 3 is the real deal, and the fact is it has not done that yet.
With the thousands of websites devoted to products and sevices I don't care to own, I cannot imagine why I'd hang out at any of them. And you are here for what reason? Do you work for a competitor who pays you to come here to try to kill potential series 3 sales?

sonicboom

02-21-2007, 06:22 PM

My guess for TTG

99% - analog
95% - unencrypted digital (both cable and OTA)
20% - encrypted digital (and if it ever happens, will probably require Vista)

Just a guess though.

So much for ease of use.

I'd rather they provide none of it, than some of it. This will confuse the hell out of the wife.

Plus, we mostly watch HD and premium channels these days... so it'd be mostly useless to us anyway.

Note: just noticed this was about TTG and not sharing shows between tivos. I could care less about TTG, but streaming to other tivo units would be nice... if they don't restrict which channels could be streamed.

MichaelK

02-21-2007, 06:41 PM

So much for ease of use.

I'd rather they provide none of it, than some of it. This will confuse the hell out of the wife.

Plus, we mostly watch HD and premium channels these days... so it'd be mostly useless to us anyway.

Note: just noticed this was about TTG and not sharing shows between tivos. I could care less about TTG, but streaming to other tivo units would be nice... if they don't restrict which channels could be streamed.

Bite your toungue man! LOL

I'll take a peicemail approach if that's the best we can get.

If by HD you mean local channels then you should be able to fiddle with most of that.

one interesting thing i recently noticed- the copyright page at tivo got updated with the various digital cable flags and they clearly say that "copy once" content can not be copied but can be moved. I wonder if they are updating MRV to move the content rather then copy it. (the cablelabs docs say something like they can basically use the mechanism they have now as long as they make the original file unwatchable before the new file is watchable)

Puppy76

02-21-2007, 11:57 PM

Well, I got the S3 today (a day early!)...but I'm having serious audio issues with it.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=341785

At this point I'm regretting buying it and hoping I can undo my lifetime transfer (unless this is somehow fixable...)

I really appreciate everyone's feedback and help here, just wish this was turning out better. My heart kind of sunk when I heard the first "pops" come out of my TV during the THX logo. (*Hugs S2*)

GoHokies!

02-22-2007, 05:48 AM

That really sucks - I don't have any insight into your audio problem, but it certainly sounds like the box may be defective. If that's the case, you should be able to exchange it and transfer the lifetime onto the exchange box with little difficulty...

Puppy76

02-22-2007, 11:26 AM

Yeah, theoretically. It's just one of those things where if the first one doesn't work it gives me buyers remorse. I mean it is $860 and I don't actually need it for two full years.

rczig

02-22-2007, 11:56 AM

that if Cablelabs doesn't get their *stuff* together and certify TiVO MRV/TTG/ and the external SATA, that hackers will find a way to do it WITHOUT restrictions! If that happens, that would be their own fault since NOW they could set reasonable limitations on the technology and remove the incentive for hackers.

Obviously, this is what happened with TTG on the Mac (which ended up forcing TiVOs hand and quickly partnering with Roxio). Once the genie is out of the bottle, it cannot be put back. . .

hagopiar

02-22-2007, 01:37 PM

I wonder how decently it outputs HD resolutions to SD? I have one HDTV, but it's not one I watch TV on, and I've found that I really don't care about HD for TV. The S3 will be connected where the S2 is-on an SD TV.

It actually shrinks the display a bit so you get more of the HD content. It works great for me while I decide on an HD display.

Puppy76

02-22-2007, 01:42 PM

It actually shrinks the display a bit so you get more of the HD content. It works great for me while I decide on an HD display.

Yeah, I'm impressed by it's ability to handle HD content on an SD display. I mean it really looks great-better than NTSC, and you can see details lacking in the normal NTSC video.

It's a little annoying that you have to toggle between the aspect ratio mode depending on the show, but I guess there's no way around that. (ie I've found some are 4:3 and have to be zoomed up, while others are widescreen so need to be letterboxed).

ashu

02-22-2007, 03:50 PM

Yeah, I'm impressed by it's ability to handle HD content on an SD display. I mean it really looks great-better than NTSC, and you can see details lacking in the normal NTSC video.

It's a little annoying that you have to toggle between the aspect ratio mode depending on the show, but I guess there's no way around that. (ie I've found some are 4:3 and have to be zoomed up, while others are widescreen so need to be letterboxed).

I believe the fault lies, more often at least, with the show (re)broadcaster and the lack of accuratr flags (or any flags) letting the S3 know what kind of format it is being broadcast in.

Not to mention the strange forced 16:9 'widen' scaling of SD by a plethora of local stations (such as WJAL in Baltimore) to 'protect' consumers' plasma sets from burnin. :rolleyes:

Puppy76

02-22-2007, 06:14 PM

I believe the fault lies, more often at least, with the show (re)broadcaster and the lack of accuratr flags (or any flags) letting the S3 know what kind of format it is being broadcast in.

Not to mention the strange forced 16:9 'widen' scaling of SD by a plethora of local stations (such as WJAL in Baltimore) to 'protect' consumers' plasma sets from burnin. :rolleyes:

Oh gee, how thoughtful! ;)

My stations don't seem to do that, but some 4:3 shows (at least when viewed through the S3) aren't full screen-they have black bars on all four sides.