Time is up.

[garyore]

I have been waiting way too long for tivo to get off their butts and offer medea center options for the TIVO series 3. I have called, I have written emails and am now simply frustrated over their total lack of support.

They have (or had) a great product with great opportunity. All they needed to do is offer the features. This has nothing to do with approvals needed for the cable cards. All they needed to do is offer me the video transfer from my PC to TIVO and I would have been happy.... Now I am moving on and buying a stand alone medea center to do what TIVO could have done for me free.

TIVO GET SMART AND GET OFF YOUR A.. and do something for your loyal customer base!!!!

[ah30k]

What features are you talking about?

[TexasAg]

If you mean the home media options like photos and music on your S3, you've already got it.

[hookbill]

What TexasAg said, everything else is being held up by cablelabs.

[Revolutionary]

My God you trolls are something else...

The Series 2 Tivo was out for YEARS before Tivo finally made HME free (used to cost $99), and before TivoToGo.

They come out with a Series3 that doesn't advertise those same features, and the trolls want to rip Tivo a new one because 5 months on it still doesn't have them? Give me a break.

Tivo will sate your irrational desires when CABLELABS stops blocking their attempts. Until then, you can thank Tivo for making an affordable dual-tuner HD-capable CableCard compliant hi-def DVR with music and photo streaming (seriously, that's not enough?). And you can try to get a grip on your megalomania...

BTW: I've got a Media Center PC -- good luck getting it to do what Tivo does! That's a PC-fanboy pipe dream...

[dig_duggler]

It should be here in "weeks". Not months.

[Maeglin]

It should be here in "weeks". Not months.
...for the 8.1 update (for which I'm still looking for evidence to substantiate that one), not MRV or TTG. Those were stated as coming later in the year, at least in some form.

[dig_duggler]

...for the 8.1 update (for which I'm still looking for evidence to substantiate that one), not MRV or TTG. Those were stated as coming later in the year, at least in some form.

Have (http://www.technologyevangelist.com/2007/01/ces_jim_denny_tivo.html) some here (if you are referring to "weeks, not months"). About 8:20 in. Interestingly enough, it is not referred to as 8.1 (unless I missed it). This is for TivoCasting, probably not exactly what the OP wants. As you may have guessed, I was being snarky above as it has been 3 weeks and I don't really believe them.

As an interesting aside, at 6:45 the representative from Tivo shares fault for the delay in MRV and TTG and states it is NOT just a CableLabs issue ("I certainly wouldn't blame CableLabs for all that. The analog content that doesn't go through CableLab regulation, it's our responsiblity to enable that functionality."). That seems to fly in the face of the claims here. He then goes on stressing that you should temper expectations on digital content. However... ding ding ding.. It's not just CableLabs.

I, for one, am actually happy that they are taking some responsibility for their product (especially after actively participating in several threads that degenerated into who's to blame...). Not sure how I missed that the first go around.

[hookbill]

Have (http://www.technologyevangelist.com/2007/01/ces_jim_denny_tivo.html)
As an interesting aside, at 6:45 the representative from Tivo shares fault for the delay in MRV and TTG and states it is NOT just a CableLabs issue ("I certainly wouldn't blame CableLabs for all that. The analog content that doesn't go through CableLab regulation, it's our responsiblity to enable that functionality."). That seems to fly in the face of the claims here. He then goes on stressing that you should temper expectations on digital content. However... ding ding ding.. It's not just CableLabs.



Per usual, I disagree with you. And here is why:

Your the VP of the company and your giving as honest an answer as you can. At the same time you cannot start pissing people off, so the politically correct statement is to say "it's not all their fault." Wouldn't it make more sense to wait until you can deliver the entire package if you see it in the future instead of developing software for only analog and then going back and developing another software for both?

So he took some of the blame which is the right thing to do. Still that doesn't mean cablelabs isn't really responsible, of course they are.

[dig_duggler]

Per usual, I disagree with you. And here is why:

Your the VP of the company and your giving as honest an answer as you can. At the same time you cannot start pissing people off, so the politically correct statement is to say "it's not all their fault." Wouldn't it make more sense to wait until you can deliver the entire package if you see it in the future instead of developing software for only analog and then going back and developing another software for both?

So he took some of the blame which is the right thing to do. Still that doesn't mean cablelabs isn't really responsible, of course they are.

So there is audio and video of the VP saying it's their fault analog MRV and TTG are not available and you still don't think it's their fault at all? And he even makes the point that CableLabs has no jurisdiction over the analog content?

To borrow a phrase and omit a word, Reality has a well known bias.

[GoHokies!]

I think that the crux of the matter is here:

"Wouldn't it make more sense to wait until you can deliver the entire package if you see it in the future instead of developing software for only analog and then going back and developing another software for both?"

I think the only fault that can be attributed to Tivo is that they assumed that they would get a quick approval and didn't think that spending the time for programming the analog stuff would be necessary. Hindsight being 20/20, we can see that was a pretty bad assumption, and it appears from the video that Tivo is working to fix it.

Of course, Hookbill has a valid point too that if CL wasn't a bunch in industry stooges then it wouldn't be a problem. CL definately created the problem, but Tivo (in hindsight) could have done a little better job of dealing with it.

(How's that for middle of the road? ;))

(and ++ on Revoloutionay's comments on the OP, even I can't add to that)

[Topher5000]

I think what the OP wants is to be able to stream divx files from his computer.
I had an R10 but currently don't have TiVo, so I don't know if this is possible.

[dig_duggler]

I think that the crux of the matter is here:

"Wouldn't it make more sense to wait until you can deliver the entire package if you see it in the future instead of developing software for only analog and then going back and developing another software for both?"


Coming from a development background, not so much. They would not have to restructure everything. You write the code for analog transfers (or use the code you already have (via s2) adding in permissions flags). You turn the NO on digital content that you set up for this version to MAYBE or whatever permissions you come up with down the road when you do roll out the digital transfers. Of course I have no idea about the details and am just theorizing, but from a good programming perspective this should not be that big of a deal. Of course if they didn't have good code to begin with...

In any case, they admitted fault and I am happy with it :) If you want to make your own interpretation of the words out of his mouth instead of the actual words that came out of his mouth, there's not too much I (or anyone) can do for you there.

In fact hookbill, I believe I already got chastised once this week for interpreting someone else's words :)

[GoHokies!]

You're probably right (I don't come from a devlopment background at all) - whatever the level of effort required to impliment the solution, we can both certainly agree that it would take *some* work, which is what Tivo was trying to avoid...

Unfortunately, the gamble didn't pay off....

[aaronwt]

95% of what I watch is HD. I don't need MRV for analog viewing.

[Maeglin]

Have (http://www.technologyevangelist.com/2007/01/ces_jim_denny_tivo.html) some here (if you are referring to "weeks, not months"). About 8:20 in. Interestingly enough, it is not referred to as 8.1 (unless I missed it). This is for TivoCasting, probably not exactly what the OP wants. As you may have guessed, I was being snarky above as it has been 3 weeks and I don't really believe them.
That's what I was talking about, and I guess I was a little as well. As soon as the 8.1 priority page adds Series3 boxes, though, then I'll consider there being some evidence. In the meantime, weeks turn into months rather quickly.

On the other hand, considering one of the problems plaguing at least some of the Series2 8.1 boxes out there currently is with WPA. Can you imagine the (additional :rolleyes: ) outrage if that bug was pushed out into Series3 boxes as well?

[Maeglin]

So there is audio and video of the VP saying it's their fault analog MRV and TTG are not available and you still don't think it's their fault at all? And he even makes the point that CableLabs has no jurisdiction over the analog content?
They don't have jurisdiction over any unencrypted content, actually... analog or digital.

That still leaves those of us with ADS wondering, though, as the content of those channels can hardly be called "protected" (though, the quality may be), but I don't recall seeing any of them when I did a QAM channel scan just after setting up my S3. It could be that it just didn't see them for some reason, but if they were actually encrypted then video transfer only of unencrypted content is still pretty useless for anything beyond local stations.

Now, if TTG/MRV of "protected" content used the CCI flags or something similar to determine what it could or couldn't move around (assuming TivoGuard couldn't get the CL seal of approval), then it would at least make it of some use and would account for some of the extra work. After all, Jim said that encrypted digital content would be treated differently, but never said anything about transfer of it being categorically denied.

[garyore]

Wow E Wow, I made a simple statement that turned into a major discussion about lots of stuff I have no interested in. ALL I WANT TO DO IS MOVE MOVIE FILES (YOU NAME THE FORMAT) FROM MY PC TO MY SERIES 3 TIVO. Maybe you TIVO losers can address that!

[garyore]

Nice words, but really not interested. TIVO can do this without any approval. BTW I really am not looking for a media center PC. I am looking at product like the MVIX MX-760HD, that TIVO can provide the same functions to me for free.

[Maeglin]

Maybe you TIVO losers...
Considering what you currently own, and that you're planning to move to something that's even more restrictive about content (by design)...

Oh god, the irony is just too much.

[ah30k]

Maybe you TIVO losers can address that!F- You. Bye.

[dig_duggler]

Wow E Wow, I made a simple statement that turned into a major discussion about lots of stuff I have no interested in. ALL I WANT TO DO IS MOVE MOVIE FILES (YOU NAME THE FORMAT) FROM MY PC TO MY SERIES 3 TIVO. Maybe you TIVO losers can address that!

You must have a lot of luck with the ladies. And life in general.

[garyore]

Does anyone understand, or do most of you only want to see your words in print. I will make it as simple as I can. TIVO series 2 allows for the transfer of MPG (video file) from your PC to your TIVO over a wired or wireless network. I want that feature on TIVO series 3 today!!!!
I can get the feature by spending approx $300 using other hardware in additon to my TIVO. So simply stated, why do we continue to support TIVO when TIVO is not supporting us?

[garyore]

"TIVO losers" is addressing the people that make decisions in the company. I am not addressing TIVO users.

[garyore]

You must have a lot of luck with the ladies. And life in general.




I appear to be must smarter you you! And the answer to both your comments is YES.

[dig_duggler]

"TIVO losers" is addressing the people that make decisions in the company. I am not addressing TIVO users.

That will most likely come in 8.1. That might be out in a few weeks, no one here really knows.

[garyore]

F- You. Bye.

That is exactly the same response we are all getting from the TIVO decision makers. You really got it right, cept you directed to the wrong person.

[dig_duggler]

I appear to be must smarter you you! And the answer to both your comments is YES.

Your grammar is certainly great. The ladies really love the Borat speak.

Anyway, good luck getting any more help out of this thread. It's already devolved into a flame war.

[garyore]

Your grammar is certainly great. The ladies really love the Borat speak.

Anyway, good luck getting any more help out of this thread. It's already devolved into a flame war.

I did that only to get another response from you. Do you have anything at all to say about this subject? If not, go back to grade your english papers.

[dig_duggler]

I did that only to get another response from you. Do you have anything at all to say about this subject? If not, go back to grade your english papers.

Sure. Read what's above. It answers your question.

[garyore]

Sure. Read what's above. It answers your question.

If I had an answer to my question, which I am sure you have no idea of what my question really addresses, than I would not be posting on this forum. To keep it simple again. I do not have an answer to my question. If any TIVO executives would like to give me and other interested parties the answer, we would appreciate it.

[Fofer]

95% of what I watch is HD. I don't need MRV for analog viewing.

Sans CableLab's Certification, I wonder if TiVo would enable MRV or TiVoToGo for HD recordings that we're able to get from OTA antennas.

Aside from the huge file sizes, there's not really any "excuse" against allowing that, is there?

[dig_duggler]

If I had an answer to my question, which I am sure you have no idea of what my question really addresses, than I would not be posting on this forum. To keep it simple again. I do not have an answer to my question. If any TIVO executives would like to give me and other interested parties the answer, we would appreciate it.

Mom?

[dig_duggler]

Sans CableLab's Certification, I wonder if TiVo would enable MRV or TiVoToGo for HD recordings that we're able to get from OTA antennas.

Aside from the huge file sizes, there's not really any "excuse" against allowing that, is there?

None.

[GoHokies!]

Nice words, but really not interested. TIVO can do this without any approval.


Actually, they can't. As I understand it, to get Cable Labs approval, they get a vote on all inputs and outputs on the box.

But since you've already proven yourself to be such a mature, intelligent person :rolleyes: , I'm sure you can understand all of that.

[derekcbart]

What you are describing is called "TiVo-To-Go-Back" and as the name implies it is part of "TiVo-To-Go" which is not currently available on the S3. Most parties seem to believe that it will be available later in the year, but no one knows for sure.

[Fofer]

None.

So my hope is this. They try to offer MRV and TTG for all content (with the okay from CableLabs.) Keep it easy, no distinction needed for the user.

If that doesn't happen, then have a "fall back" plan where they offer MRV and TTG, but only for OTA content. That'd be better than nothing, and fine in my book. Time will tell... we'll see how TiVo plays this. It's got to bug them that their flagship product, the S3, has such a glaring hole in its feature set.

And if CableLabs came around they could add in allowances for the other content later on.

[garyore]

Actually, they can't. As I understand it, to get Cable Labs approval, they get a vote on all inputs and outputs on the box.

But since you've already proven yourself to be such a mature, intelligent person :rolleyes: , I'm sure you can understand all of that.

Why would Cable Labs have any vote or any control of any technology that does not use the cable card. Maybe you can explain? I am always willing to learn something.

[Leo_N]

Why would Cable Labs have any vote or any control of any technology that does not use the cable card. Maybe you can explain? I am always willing to learn something.

They have some say due to the fact that to use cablecards TiVo has agreed to be a Cablelabs Verified Device. Without being on this list, cable companies would not be required to put cablecards in the S3. And they probably would not install them because without having some type of protection on the device (protection which Tivo is promising by verifying it as a Cablelabs device) it would be too easy to pirate pristine HD digital signals from encrypted sources. (i.e. ShowtimeHD, HBOHD, and so on)

[GoHokies!]

Why would Cable Labs have any vote or any control of any technology that does not use the cable card. Maybe you can explain? I am always willing to learn something.
Like I said in my post that you quoted and Leo said - if you want the certification, you have to play be their rules... They're crappy rules, but those are the breaks...

[hookbill]

In fact hookbill, I believe I already got chastised once this week for interpreting someone else's words :)

Sorry I took so long to get back to you on this one. There was quite a bit of difference from what I did and what you and I talked about and resolved, but if you think I'm reading between the lines that's fine.

I'm just sorry I was busy yesterday. Looks like we had some real morons come around here. Thank goodness GoHokies! was on the job. Also kudos to dig_duggler for his response to garyore. Fofer was also on top of his game.

dig_duggler, you keep this up and you may start getting called a tivo fanboy. :eek:

[garyore]

Sorry I took so long to get back to you on this one. There was quite a bit of difference from what I did and what you and I talked about and resolved, but if you think I'm reading between the lines that's fine.

I'm just sorry I was busy yesterday. Looks like we had some real morons come around here. Thank goodness GoHokies! was on the job. Also kudos to dig_duggler for his response to garyore. Fofer was also on top of his game.

dig_duggler, you keep this up and you may start getting called a tivo fanboy. :eek:

Comments like this always will keep you guys as the "biggest losers". The truth is that none of you know nuttin about nuttin, but continue to give advise. Why not just say "I DON'T KNOW". Thank most of you for nothing at all. Keep your forum to yourself, I will get my answers from people that have knowledge.

[GoHokies!]

Comments like this always will keep you guys as the "biggest losers". The truth is that none of you know nuttin about nuttin, but continue to give advise. Why not just say "I DON'T KNOW". Thank most of you for nothing at all. Keep your forum to yourself, I will get my answers from people that have knowledge.

Riiiiiiiight. :rolleyes: You can't back up any of your silly insults with facts, so you're just going to take your ball and go home.

Good riddance - we don't need your type around here, loser.

PS: At least we're losers that can spell.

[garyore]

Riiiiiiiight. :rolleyes: You can't back up any of your silly insults with facts, so you're just going to take your ball and go home.

Good riddance - we don't need your type around here, loser.

PS: At least we're losers that can spell.

As I said yesterday, most of you would rather see your comments on a internet forum than address the problem. Proof, evidence etc is not why I was here. I made a statement, which I believe to be factual, to a forum on the internet and have got nothing except "lip service". Good luck! Spelling has never been one of my strong strengths, sorry if that upsets you also. I didn't think I was submitting a brief to the court. I was only making a comment and asking a question. You and a few of your friends really need to get a life and leave the answering to questions to smarter and wiser people.

[Maeglin]

*burns an MPEG file on a CD, puts it in his $80 DVD player, selects it, and presses Play*

What was this dire need to have a DVR purely for that function, again?

[dig_duggler]

As I said yesterday, most of you would rather see your comments on a internet forum than address the problem. Proof, evidence etc is not why I was here. I made a statement, which I believe to be factual, to a forum on the internet and have got nothing except "lip service". Good luck! Spelling has never been one of my strong strengths, sorry if that upsets you also. I didn't think I was submitting a brief to the court. I was only making a comment and asking a question. You and a few of your friends really need to get a life and leave the answering to questions to smarter and wiser people.

The funny part is that the answer to everything you asked is here, just not succinctly.

I am not sure of the expectations you have here. You honestly think Tivo execs are looking at this board and are going to give you a direct binding answer?

[garyore]

*burns an MPEG file on a CD, puts it in his $80 DVD player, selects it, and presses Play*

What was this dire need to have a DVR purely for that function, again?

That is exactly what I do. I do burn many different type of video files to DVD's and play them on my OPPO $239 DVD player. BUT, somethings, do to many different type of problems, I do not get a playable DVD. Also the time to do this is long and you really should not be running anything on the computer that is doing the burning other than the burning software.

SO, as stated in the my very first post, I wanted the ability to transfer video files from my PC to my TIVO series 3, simular to the way I do it on my Series 2. I really did not think that was more than I should have expected when I purchased this new great technolgy series 3. This is a TIVO problem. They should provide much more information about what is going on and when we will see new features that they do. You would think the headquarters were in the Pentagon, by the way to keep information away from their loyal customers. I think the product is great, but their management leaves a lot to be desired.

This is it. I need to go back to my real life.. Thanks for the time. Sorry for any spelling errors.

[MickeS]

As I said yesterday, most of you would rather see your comments on a internet forum than address the problem.

Coming from a guy who got the answer to his "question" 5 posts in.

[hookbill]

This is it. I need to go back to my real life.. Thanks for the time. Sorry for any spelling errors.

Man, can you imagine what his real life is like? Hope he's not in management. :)

[GoHokies!]

This is a TIVO problem.

You're an idiot and your attitude sucks. That's the only way that I can explain your complete inability to grasp this very simple fact.

If Cable Labs hasn't approved it, it isn't going to happen. I don't know how much more clear I can be.

(also, if you can't do anything on your computer while burning a DVD, time for a new computer! Mine does this just fine, and it's about 2 years old)

[monkeydust]

I check this forum everyday for news of the 8.1 release. Everyday I am disappointed. :(

[Fofer]

I check this forum everyday for news of the 8.1 release. Everyday I am disappointed. :(

Just to clarify:

8.1 ain't gonna bring TiVoToGo to Series 3, which is what this thread is about. TiVo is waiting on CableLabs certification, and that could be awhile.

I'd like 8.1 too, for the Recently Deleted Items folder, and TiVoCast.

[hookbill]

You're an idiot and your attitude sucks.

How come you can say it and get away with it but when I try it, wham, here come the mods?

Oh, and I agree with eveverything GoHokies! said. He's always right. Just like me. :D

[barbeedoll]

I have been waiting way too long for tivo to get off their butts and offer medea center options for the TIVO series 3. I have called, I have written emails and am now simply frustrated over their total lack of support.

They have (or had) a great product with great opportunity. All they needed to do is offer the features. This has nothing to do with approvals needed for the cable cards. All they needed to do is offer me the video transfer from my PC to TIVO and I would have been happy.... Now I am moving on and buying a stand alone medea center to do what TIVO could have done for me free.

TIVO GET SMART AND GET OFF YOUR A.. and do something for your loyal customer base!!!!
Tivo support told me I could do this. What I needed to do was configure things so that the PC showed up at the bottom of Now Playing with the other DVRs.

Then I could use Tivo to multiroom transfer from the PC.

Haven't done this, but the tech gurus online here can probably tell you how to do this more specifically.

Barbeedoll

[GoHokies!]

How come you can say it and get away with it but when I try it, wham, here come the mods?

Oh, and I agree with eveverything GoHokies! said. He's always right. Just like me. :D

It's tough being this much better than everyone else, isn't it??? ;)

barbeedoll, Tivo support was wrong, that sort of thing isn't available on the S3 yet...

(oops! As a TiVo shill/fanboi, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say that Tivo is wrong... I'm sure that others will be around to fill the void. ;))

[garyore]

You're an idiot and your attitude sucks. That's the only way that I can explain your complete inability to grasp this very simple fact.

If Cable Labs hasn't approved it, it isn't going to happen. I don't know how much more clear I can be.

(also, if you can't do anything on your computer while burning a DVD, time for a new computer! Mine does this just fine, and it's about 2 years old)

You just don't understand... get a life!

[garyore]

Man, can you imagine what his real life is like? Hope he's not in management. :)

My real life is not tivo... if i ran tivo it would be the best company in the world.

[garyore]

How come you can say it and get away with it but when I try it, wham, here come the mods?

Oh, and I agree with eveverything GoHokies! said. He's always right. Just like

me. :D

You two should live together. that will make you two losers

[garyore]

It's tough being this much better than everyone else, isn't it??? ;)

barbeedoll, Tivo support was wrong, that sort of thing isn't available on the S3 yet...

(oops! As a TiVo shill/fanboi, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say that Tivo is wrong... I'm sure that others will be around to fill the void. ;))

I am better than most, if not all, u guys need to understand a lot about business. thanks for all the support. It is a shame that the so called leaders of this forum totally support the tivo poisition. Which is tell them nothing, blame the problem on others and do nothing to provide the support that the loyal customers have paid for. TIVO your time is coming and I am not sorry for you. You have no vision!!!!

[garyore]

You're an idiot and your attitude sucks. That's the only way that I can explain your complete inability to grasp this very simple fact.

If Cable Labs hasn't approved it, it isn't going to happen. I don't know how much more clear I can be.

(also, if you can't do anything on your computer while burning a DVD, time for a new computer! Mine does this just fine, and it's about 2 years old)

you know nuttin... go to a computer course and get smart. Your are the problem and I am the solution.

[Bighouse]

I am better than most, if not all, u guys need to understand a lot about business. thanks for all the support. It is a shame that the so called leaders of this forum totally support the tivo poisition. Which is tell them nothing, blame the problem on others and do nothing to provide the support that the loyal customers have paid for. TIVO your time is coming and I am not sorry for you. You have no vision!!!!

Garyore,

You sound quite accomplished. Out of curiosity, what do you do in your business? I'm assuming from your own words and attitude that you're probably some sort of CEO or upper management level position in some Fortune 500 company?

Personally I feel that ,taking into consideration the technology that TiVo was at the forefront of (DVRs), that they have vision and will continue to do so, but I'm expecting to hear even more incredible realizations of business visions that you've made in the world.

Am I disappointed that the S3 isn't capable (yet) of doing everything my S2 can? Sure. Do I think it will one day? Yes. In the meanwhile I'm enjoying what it CAN do that my S2 can't!

[GoHokies!]

You just don't understand... get a life!My real life is not tivo... if i ran tivo it would be the best company in the world.You two should live together. that will make you two losersI am better than most, if not all, u guys need to understand a lot about business. thanks for all the support. It is a shame that the so called leaders of this forum totally support the tivo poisition. Which is tell them nothing, blame the problem on others and do nothing to provide the support that the loyal customers have paid for. TIVO your time is coming and I am not sorry for you. You have no vision!!!!you know nuttin... go to a computer course and get smart. Your are the problem and I am the solution.

Thank you for your valuable contributions to this forum.

i admit it, I'm a complete fool for being all logicistic n stuff. from this moment on, i am goin t try 2 be exactly like you. i'm blind, have no life, dont no nuttin about no computer things and know so lettle about bizness that i couldn't even manage a lemonade stand in the middle of a dessert... please, oh pleeze teach me how to be just like u!!11!!!

[Mike Lang]

Closed due to personal attacks