Studio 60 "The Harriet Dinner, pt 2" OAD 2/5/07 (spoilers)

[murgatroyd]

Holy crap! Whose idea was it to film the ending like that?

If you have to go through the stage itself (highly unlikely), why can't you pull up the old flooring and roll back the paper (Boston Symphony Hall has wool cloth as the next layer, but who's counting?) and then cut through the subfloor first.

Besides, most theatres of the quality that Studio 60 is supposed to be would have some kind of access to the area underneath the stage itself (trapdoors, a lift, etc.).

Bad, bad writing, just to have an excuse for a visual of somebody hacking away. :down:

On the other hand, the part where Danny pulls the paper out of his watchband and reads the note "I'm crazy about you." was a terrific moment. Guess I missed the target about that being all one-sided -- or maybe I was just channelling Jordin. :D

Jan

[laststarfighter]

If last week's episode left you wondering if the show jumped the shark then this episode removed all doubt. Maybe they are trying to fill in the void being left by "The OC." I would take it off my SP but apparently NBC is doing that for me.

Raise your hand if you didn't know that the Japanese businessman could speak English? :rolleyes:

[Vito the TiVo]

A hide-a-key in a fake rock on a rooftop of a television studio. There isn't any part of that that makes any sense to me.

[drew2k]

A hide-a-key in a fake rock on a rooftop of a television studio. There isn't any part of that that makes any sense to me.+1. Instant groan when Danny "realized" there was a key in a rock only several hours later and only after Jordan threw said rock. :down:

Once again, Jack was the best part of the show, and the ending with Jordan and Danny was nice.

I'm finding the scenes with Matt and Harriet utterly unwatchable. There is so much angst and anger between the two, I have no idea why the writers seem to think we should care. Just because they said in the pilot that these two had a history? Not good enough. These characters are the emotional equivalent of three-year-olds, and the relationship has shown no growth since the pilot. Again, :down: on this storyline. Get rid of it! Sadly ... Next week's preview shows we're going "back in time" to see Matt and Harriet as a happy couple. Guess what? It's too late - this ship has sailed!

[mrpantstm]

+1. Instant groan when Danny "realized" there was a key in a rock only several hours later and only after Jordan threw said rock. :down:


I actually got a smirk out of that scene. But what then began nagging at me was this. Why do they lock the door on the roof? So people can't climb up the fire escape and enter the building through that door. Well if that's true, then why couldn't Jordin and Danny go down the fire escape? I incredibly doubt a theater would not have a fire escape on the roof. That scene to me hurt the whole Jordin/Danny romance. It was cute with the magic but still kind of ridiculous.

I'm finding the scenes with Matt and Harriet utterly unwatchable. There is so much angst and anger between the two, I have no idea why the writers seem to think we should care. Just because they said in the pilot that these two had a history? Not good enough. These characters are the emotional equivalent of three-year-olds, and the relationship has shown no growth since the pilot. Again, :down: on this storyline. Get rid of it! Sadly ... Next week's preview shows we're going "back in time" to see Matt and Harriet as a happy couple. Guess what? It's too late - this ship has sailed!

I think they've jumped into this relationship too heavily and tried to hard to make us fall in love with the relationship too early. I honestly have no idea why Harriet has such anger for Matt because those were some pretty low blows telling him she thought he was lying when he said he loved her. And I'm sure Matt didn't help and for someone who writes for a living, he sure does a poor job of getting his thoughts out.

I agree with you 100% about next week. That episode should have been done a month ago and then maybe I might have cared more.

I loved Jack and the father.

"You speak English?"

"Yes."

"Which words?"

"All of them."

:D :up:

[bdlucas]

Overall I liked this episode. I think the did a whole lot better with the romantic storylines than they did last week.

It doesn't bother me that we don't know the background of the Matt and Harriet thing. After this week I want to know more.

With Danny and Jordin I'm less enthusiastic. The chemistry really isn't there. Still some nice touches (like the magic stuff), and a big improvement over last week.

Tom and Lucy back on track. Yay!

And I loved the Weekend at Bernie's references. :)

[terpfan1980]

The whole tearing up the stage was (as noted above) incredibly stupid. Dramatic effect, maybe, but really just stupid.

I'm no handyman myself, but I'm smart enough to know they could have simply taken out the circular saw, set the blade depth and buzzed themselves a handy access door if necessary. And that is only if necessary. There's no way in hell that there shouldn't already have been plenty of access to the under stage area anyway.

[TAsunder]

At least they acknowledged the humane people. The stupid thing is, they should have been called even for the snakes. It's not just coyotes that are protected / unionized, it's basically all living creatures. I did enjoy his interplay with the humane lady though.

Even though it was lame and cliche, I liked the scene where jack learned the chinese dude could speak english. Totally preposterous and recycled drek from sitcoms, but the acting was great.

The scene with simon and darius did not work for me. Darius flipped too easily into amusement. Simon's point was valid but I didn't feel that he got it across properly. I'm looking forward to future jabs at him though.

So there was a key inside the rock she threw somehow? Exactly how would that work?

In the writing room, was that the same girl who was in early episodes that matt slept with but didn't? She seemed a lot less tan...

[mrpantstm]

In the writing room, was that the same girl who was in early episodes that matt slept with but didn't? She seemed a lot less tan...

I don't think she slept with Matt or at least not the actress that Harriet found out about several episodes ago. That woman I believe was someone from that show Matt went to to get a high heel to make Harriet jealous over the signed bat. The woman Matt slept with I believe is part of the cast although I don't remember her name.

[TAsunder]

The woman from the cast was the one in the writer's room. At least I hope so... otherwise I'm really confused, because I have no idea why she would be in the writer's room when she was also in matt's office.

[Jonathan_S]

Besides, most theatres of the quality that Studio 60 is supposed to be would have some kind of access to the area underneath the stage itself (trapdoors, a lift, etc.).Wasn't the access suppose to have been blocked in one of the redesigns of the theater? I thought I remember something to that effect from last week. But still a weak excuse.
On the other hand, the part where Danny pulls the paper out of his watchband and reads the note "I'm crazy about you." was a terrific moment.I initially misread that as "crazy about Tom". Which confused the heck out of me until I rewound and took a 2nd look.
+1. Instant groan when Danny "realized" there was a key in a rock only several hours later and only after Jordan threw said rock. :down:I don't recall seeing a lock cylinder on the door in any of the shots. Where exactly was that key suppose to go?
(Altough the hinges faced out, possibly the the hinge pin could have been pulled to get the door open. For that matter there was a skylight they could have broken to get attention.)

[mrpantstm]

The woman from the cast was the one in the writer's room. At least I hope so... otherwise I'm really confused, because I have no idea why she would be in the writer's room when she was also in matt's office.

I'd have to go back and watch it again but I don't think she was in the writers room for the meeting about the mold. She may have looked similar to the other woman and that's the confusion? But I agree, I don't think she could have been in both places.

Plus I didn't think the woman in the show was engaged.

[TAsunder]

I never suggested that the woman who was talking to matt was in the writer's room. That was you. I was suggesting the cast member that disappeared off the show was there, the one who matt was living with but not sleeping with from episode 1 or 2. We had wondered what happened to her. So there was someone who kind of looked like her but I wasn't 100% sure, especially because she was less tan.

[cherry ghost]

I never suggested that the woman who was talking to matt was in the writer's room. That was you. I was suggesting the cast member that disappeared off the show was there, the one who matt was living with but not sleeping with from episode 1 or 2. We had wondered what happened to her. So there was someone who kind of looked like her but I wasn't 100% sure, especially because she was less tan.


Yes, Jeannie was in the writers room. She and Matt never lived together. She spent one night at his house because Danny asked her to.

[Rob Helmerichs]

"You speak English?"

"Yes."

"Which words?"

"All of them."
"Because it's fun."

[FourFourSeven]

The preposterousness (is that a word) of this episode was all set up from last episode. Because of that, I wasn't nearly as annoyed by all the unbelievable setups - they all annoyed me to the maximum amount allowed by law last week. So I just watched the episode with a "I'm watching a sitcom" frame of mind. In that way, it wasn't bad. Some decent one liners.

"Why do you pretend you can't speak English?"
"It's fun"

If you set your expectations to "I'm watching a sitcom" the show isn't terrible... Though the Matt and Harriet portions were pretty annoying.

I say cancel Studio 60 and create a spinoff based on the Jack character (and maybe Amanda Peat). The network stuff is by far the most interesting!

[TAsunder]

The preposterousness (is that a word) of this episode was all set up from last episode. Because of that, I wasn't nearly as annoyed by all the unbelievable setups - they all annoyed me to the maximum amount allowed by law last week.

While I was less annoyed by the tom love story and the matt love story, the danny one further descended into stupidity than I thought possible and as such I could not forgive it. The rock, the obvious magic trick at the end, and the obligatory bad romance moment of someone running around thinking the other person is gone when she's standing right there were all too vomit inducing to forgive.

However, since the whole he got her moment is over I can only hope that such nonsense is behind us and there won't be bad sitcom moments in the future for the couple.

On the other hand, the future of the matt and harriet storyline looks like there will be no end in the near future and we will be made to suffer through it until the hiatus.

One thing I will say surprised me pleasantly is that the humane lady didn't ask busfield's character out. I was almost certain that was going to happen.

[bdlucas]

One thing I will say surprised me pleasantly is that the humane lady didn't ask busfield's character out. I was almost certain that was going to happen.
Give it time. That story arc isn't over yet. :)

[Ruth]

Ugh. I want to like this show but they sure are not making it easy. There was basically nothing in this episode I liked. The bigwig dad speaking English came the closest, but I saw that coming as far back as the Nevada Day episodes so it wasn't a shocker, even though it was pretty well done. Everything else was deadly IMO.

Is Aaron Sorkin actually working on this show?

[TBDigital]

At least they acknowledged the humane people. The stupid thing is, they should have been called even for the snakes. It's not just coyotes that are protected / unionized, it's basically all living creatures. I did enjoy his interplay with the humane lady though.



Busfield's character did mention that they had Humane Society people on site when they were filming the spot on Tuesday.

[murgatroyd]

Raise your hand if you didn't know that the Japanese businessman could speak English? :rolleyes:

What Japanese businessman?

:rolleyes:

Jan

[TAsunder]

Busfield's character did mention that they had Humane Society people on site when they were filming the spot on Tuesday.

Hm... I missed that part. Was it a space cadet or something? How could the missing snake be overlooked?

[TBDigital]

Hm... I missed that part. Was it a space cadet or something? How could the missing snake be overlooked?

I assumed it was a situation of 'Ok, we're done filming, thanks for coming!', and the HS rep left before everything was loaded up...but lately, with this show, who knows.

[askewed]

A number of you are watching television a bit too closely...

[needo]

Welcome to tivocommunity.com! Where the forum posters put the anal in anal-retentive.

[trainman]

Nah, I put the "retentive" in there.

Gosh, a sketch based on those Fruit of the Loom commercials with people dressed up as fruit is certainly a fresh and innovative idea! Can't wait to see the "Studio 60" take on the "that's a spicy meatball" commercial.

[Alfer]

Welcome to tivocommunity.com! Where the forum posters put the anal in anal-retentive.


Hilarious AND true! :D

[madscientist]

I loved Jack and the father.

"You speak English?"

"Yes."

"Which words?"

"All of them."

:D :up:"You speak English?"

"I know a few words."

"How many words?"

"All of them."

I agree: 100% predictable (in fact the only unpredictable part of this is that they didn't reveal it in the first episode he was in, like I thought they would). Still, the acting and writing was above average for this kind of lame plot device so it worked better than I expected.

I actually thought the Danny/Jordan thing was a bit better this week than last. Still cliche, etc. but to my relief Jordan actually sounded coherent and presented reasoned arguments why she was leary about dating Danny, even though she obviously likes him. Plus worrying about her job: "I'm going to be a mom". Not bad. I may still be basking a bit in the glow of the scene with Jordan and Danny at the Dr's office, from last year. That was a good one.

Most of the rest was pretty meh. Still overall better than last week.

I'm absolutely dreading next week's"flashback"thing though... when I saw it I was going "nooooooooooo!"

[Lee L]

Well, I did not think it was as bad as some did, but maybe like someone else says, I had already had my expectations informed by teh setup episode where all teh outrageous situations were set in motion. I did see the english speaking thing coming as well, but I think in general, we might be a little more informed about TV shows than the average vewier so possibly we are being more critical.

[7thton]

I'm absolutely dreading next week's"flashback"thing though... when I saw it I was going "nooooooooooo!"


Yeah. "Look, Matt's wearing a hat...backwards! that means he's young!"


This episode was a huge steaming pile of crap. I'd delete my SP right now, but my wife likes it.

Also, this show has the worst looking HD of any show I've seen.

[TAsunder]

Dexter's HD was kind of odd too. Very grainy in low light scenes. I must be the only person who doesn't find the S60 HD objectionable.

[BobB]

Yes, Jeannie was in the writers room. She and Matt never lived together. She spent one night at his house because Danny asked her to.

Right, Jeannie is not the same person as the one who brought Danny back from the Harriet bash and mentioned she was engaged while talking to him in his office. I don't recall her name, but from what we've seen she's in a rock band (hence usually dresses very "slutty" as she put it), and it's implied that she and Danny had a fling at some point in the past, though I don't know whether that's ever been spelled out explicitly.

[Rob Helmerichs]

The woman who brought Danny back is Wendy. I have a hunch we'll get some of their back-story next week in the When Harriet Met Danny episode...

[flyersfan]

The SP is perilously close to being removed from our Tivo after the last 2 episodes. My wife is really fed up with the Simon storyline, we're both sick of the Matt/Harriet drama, and the only saving grace for either of us is Jack. Funny, I thought Jack would be the last character I cared about when the show started.

[DLiquid]

Also, this show has the worst looking HD of any show I've seen.I hadn't noticed this until the last couple episodes. Most of it looks like the HD of any other show, but every once in a while there's a jarring shot that looks like widescreen SD, blurry and/or grainy. I wonder why.

[DLiquid]

To be different from all of you I'm going to say I find Jack to be the most boring character. :p

[aindik]

The woman who brought Danny back is Wendy. I have a hunch we'll get some of their back-story next week in the When Harriet Met Danny episode...


Of course, you and the previous poster are talking about Matt and the woman who brought Matt back from the dinner. Danny, of course, wasn't at the dinner. He was on the roof with Jordan.

[Charlutz]

Also, this show has the worst looking HD of any show I've seen.

There was something going on with the early scenes with Matt and Harriet. Matt looked fine in HD, but Harriet went all grainy when they switched to her camera. It was like the anti-Cybill Shepard camera or something.

Wendy. Mmm.

[Lee L]

The woman who brought Danny back is Wendy. I have a hunch we'll get some of their back-story next week in the When Harriet Met Danny episode...


Wasn't she Matt's friend form the Pussycat Dolls style band with the whole Boot thing? This might be episode 1 or 2.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Of course, you and the previous poster are talking about Matt and the woman who brought Matt back from the dinner. Danny, of course, wasn't at the dinner. He was on the roof with Jordan.
Bah, those Hollywood types, they all look alike.

[JYoung]

Right, Jeannie is not the same person as the one who brought Danny back from the Harriet bash and mentioned she was engaged while talking to him in his office. I don't recall her name, but from what we've seen she's in a rock band (hence usually dresses very "slutty" as she put it), and it's implied that she and Danny had a fling at some point in the past, though I don't know whether that's ever been spelled out explicitly.

You mean Matt, as pointed out above.

The woman is supposed to be a member of the Pussycat Dolls and was played by Cyia Batton (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0061347/) who (coincedentally) is/was a member of the Pussycat Dolls.


After watching this episode, I don't give damn about Matt and Harriet's "romance" anymore (not that I really cared to begin with).
Matt's been totally whacko about it and Harriet was an absolute beeooyttcchhh about it.

She's upset with Matt for sleeping with her best friend Jeannie when they were broken up but not upset with Jeannie for doing it?
And those low blows by accusing Matt of lying when he told her he loved her?
After this, I have no idea why Matt would want to be with Harriet.
Does Sorkin have unresolved anger issues concerning Chenoweth?

And I can barely feign any interest in Danny and Jordan either after Danny's stalker tactics.

[IJustLikeTivo]

She's upset with Matt for sleeping with her best friend Jeannie when they were broken up but not upset with Jeannie for doing it?

[Ross Geller]

We were on a break!

[/Ross Geller]

Agreed, this was very stupid. Just like the rest of the show. I was discussing S60 at lunch today with a coworker and I think I figured out what's wrong.

In all the previous Aaron Sorkin shows, I've always like the people, thought they were smart/clever and that it would be great to spend time with them. On S60, I just don't care if I ever meet any of these people IRL. Mostly I think they act like idiots.

[scooterboy]

I still enjoy the show and will continue to watch it (until it's cancelled of course).

That is all. Carry on.

[PJO1966]

I still enjoy the show and will continue to watch it (until it's cancelled of course).

That is all. Carry on.


I'm right there with you. I love this show. According to my friend at NBC, it's unlikely that we'll see a second season.

[obligatory "burn in hell NBC" post here]

[drew2k]

The SP is perilously close to being removed from our Tivo after the last 2 episodes. My wife is really fed up with the Simon storyline, we're both sick of the Matt/Harriet drama, and the only saving grace for either of us is Jack. Funny, I thought Jack would be the last character I cared about when the show started.I think that's all Steven Weber's (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001836/) doing ... Anyone could play this character like the total jack-ass that a chairman could be, but Weber brings a lot of dimensions to the role and instead of hating the character, I root for the character. I've seen Weber in many different types of roles (Wings, Jeffrey, The Shining, many guest starring roles) and I can't recall anything that has disappointed me...

[cwoody222]

A hide-a-key in a fake rock on a rooftop of a television studio. There isn't any part of that that makes any sense to me.

:up: :up: :up:

[Rob Helmerichs]

A hide-a-key in a fake rock on a rooftop of a television studio. There isn't any part of that that makes any sense to me.
Actually, it makes perfect sense--assuming there's another way onto the roof, and they want to protect themselves from being locked out.

But of course since there's obviously NOT another way onto the roof, you would think they'd just hang the key on a nail next to the door...

Unless--of course! They're protecting themselves against...

...ENEMY PARATROOPERS!

[murgatroyd]

I still enjoy the show and will continue to watch it (until it's cancelled of course).

+1

Jan

[Odds Bodkins]

The following things I don't care about:

A) Matt & Harriet

That is all.

[IJustLikeTivo]

I think that's all Steven Weber's (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001836/) doing ... Anyone could play this character like the total jack-ass that a chairman could be, but Weber brings a lot of dimensions to the role and instead of hating the character, I root for the character. I've seen Weber in many different types of roles (Wings, Jeffrey, The Shining, many guest starring roles) and I can't recall anything that has disappointed me...

And he can sing too. He was Leo Bloom when I saw the producers on Broadway a while back.

[IJustLikeTivo]

Unless--of course! They're protecting themselves against...

...ENEMY PARATROOPERS!

Normally, I would dismiss this thought as idle banter, but with the use of silly plot devices on this show, anything is possible.

[lambertman]

[obligatory "burn in hell NBC" post here]

SRSLY?

NBC has shown more patience and tolerance for the lethal combo of low ratings and critical derision from this fiasco than any network could logically be expected to be OK with.

[barbeedoll]

Yeah. "Look, Matt's wearing a hat...backwards! that means he's young!"


This episode was a huge steaming pile of crap. I'd delete my SP right now, but my wife likes it.

Also, this show has the worst looking HD of any show I've seen.
7thyon. Your quote at the bottom of your posting made me laugh out loud. It was worth reading the whole thread to get to your message.

Thanks!

Barbeedoll

[Philosofy]

OK, new rule. Sorkin is allowed to create characters and backstory, and write dialogue. He is no longer allowed to do the plot.

[7thton]

7thyon. Your quote at the bottom of your posting made me laugh out loud. It was worth reading the whole thread to get to your message.

Thanks!

Barbeedoll
No problem!

[DevdogAZ]

Wasn't she Matt's friend form the Pussycat Dolls style band with the whole Boot thing? This might be episode 1 or 2.
The woman is supposed to be a member of the Pussycat Dolls and was played by Cyia Batton (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0061347/) who (coincedentally) is/was a member of the Pussycat Dolls.
The group that Wendy is a part of is called the Bombshell Babes, but is clearly supposed to be styled after the Pussycat Dolls.

I didn't hate this episode like most of you did. I think it was a lot better than the previous ep and I liked that Danny and Jordan got together.

I found it odd that Jack introduced Tom to Mr. Chinese businessman, when they had already spent the better part of a day together in a Nevada courthouse. Maybe it was because it was the first time Tom was meeting the wife.

As I've said before, they really missed the boat on the Matt/Harriett storyline. It's pretty typical for a show like this to start off with a couple that is star-crossed and everyone knows they should be together, and they spend the majority of the series with some reason or another why they're not getting together, and the sexual tension is always high, and then finally they get together and the series ends. However, something about the Matt/Harriett thing has never worked. Harriett has never been a likeable character, IMO, and Matt has never seemed like he knew what he wanted. I think both of these characters would be a lot more likeable if we weren't privy to the childish bickering that they've been engaged in.

Either way, I'm still watching, and will be until the end. It's not as great of a show as I had hoped and as I thought it would be after the first few eps, but it's still good TV.

[aindik]

I found it odd that Jack introduced Tom to Mr. Chinese businessman, when they had already spent the better part of a day together in a Nevada courthouse. Maybe it was because it was the first time Tom was meeting the wife.

Yeah, that's the "acting like the Pahrump episode never happened" thing again.

[ElJay]

As my MythTV's web interface says...

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9823/mythtvbyebyejq1.png

Good riddance. The previews for next week didn't give me any hope so it's bye bye "Studio 60!" I felt the show was insulting to its viewers from the start, but now it's just an hour long lamefest.

[LoadStar]

Wow. I had read some horrible reviews of this episode, but I just finished watching it, and I can't see how it was all that bad. It wasn't the "episode America will be buzzing about" that the ad dork said it would be, but it wasn't horrible at all.

The key in the rock: I was sort of personally thinking that was a bad joke (and not in the "boy, is this plot line a joke" type of way). I've heard the joke several other places... it's always the "WAIT A SEC! I can get us out of this! All we need is... the thing that's on the other side of the locked door." Heck, even Douglas Adams used the joke in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (don't believe me? Read the end of chapter 7.) I honestly didn't believe that there was really a key in the rock... it was just a joke that Danny was telling.

The stage thing, and no access: I can tell you first hand that's not hard to believe. We have a fairly good sized auditorium on campus, has a nice stage and everything, and it'd be fantastic - except the wood on stage is covering SOLID POURED CONCRETE. Not even spancrete, this is rock hard concrete that you ain't getting through with a jackhammer. There's a whole area under the stage that is only accessible... from under the stage. The only access between the two is to crawl up through the ceiling from underneath, into a crawl space, then look through two very tiny wiring boxes. That's it. :) So for an old stage to have an area under the stage that's inaccessible? Not hard to believe. Although the pickaxe going at the wood floor instead of them prying up the boards one by one, that's a little bit of overdramatizing the pivotal shattering of the relationship moment.

Matt/Harriet: yes, they're both completely out of their minds. That's the point. This is that relationship where the people are so right for each other, yet they are so toxic to each other. It's like they're spiraling toward each other, but when they connect, they just bounce off only to start the spiral all over again.

If there was a weak point, it would be the plotline with Tom Jeter and Kim. I like the character of Tom, I really do, but they've been writing him badly... then to add in this disgusting plot like with Kim, it's just enough to make me want to poke my eyes out. I think it's either the acting or the writing for Kim, specifically. Probably both, but she was just toxic to every scene she was in on screen.

[murgatroyd]

OK, new rule. Sorkin is allowed to create characters and backstory, and write dialogue. He is no longer allowed to do the plot.

If someone would write plot that was driven by the characters, instead of doing idiot plot points, we'd be better off.

Jan

[murgatroyd]

The stage thing, and no access: I can tell you first hand that's not hard to believe. We have a fairly good sized auditorium on campus, has a nice stage and everything, and it'd be fantastic - except the wood on stage is covering SOLID POURED CONCRETE. Not even spancrete, this is rock hard concrete that you ain't getting through with a jackhammer. There's a whole area under the stage that is only accessible... from under the stage. The only access between the two is to crawl up through the ceiling from underneath, into a crawl space, then look through two very tiny wiring boxes. That's it. :) So for an old stage to have an area under the stage that's inaccessible? Not hard to believe. Although the pickaxe going at the wood floor instead of them prying up the boards one by one, that's a little bit of overdramatizing the pivotal shattering of the relationship moment.

Oh, it would be easy for me to believe it of a stage in an auditorium on a campus, because unless your school has a top-notch drama or dance or music department, it is going to be desgned and built by someone who has no clue.

They did establish that this was not the theatre's original design, it was some modification.

Oh, well. It just bugged me.

Jan

[IndyJones1023]

Why are they making Simon out to be such a phenomenal ass?

[DreadPirateRob]

I still enjoy the show and will continue to watch it (until it's cancelled of course).

That is all. Carry on.

+2/3

I liked this ep a whole lot more than I liked Part I. In fact, there wasn't a lot about this ep that I didn't like. Tom resolved all his prior stupidity issues. Jack was understatedly great, as always. Danny and Jordan were actually cute together. Matt and Harriett, well, I actually find it believable how dysfunctional they are.

Sure, there were things I saw coming from a mile away. But that's okay - it's TV, after all.

[David Platt]

Why are they making Simon out to be such a phenomenal ass?

I don't know, but I totally agree. I think that the writers think he's coming across as a strong successful black man helping out a less successful black man, but that's not how it's coming across. It just seems like he's bullying him because he can and because he doesn't live up to Simon's standards of "blackness."

[ToddAtl]

I got the feeling from this episode it may have been written around the time when it was really up in the air as to whether the series was going to get an order for more episodes. The ending and the way it gave you the sense of the direction most of the character relationships are going to go made it almost feel like it could have been a "series finale" or as much of a series finale a show could have had after so few episodes aired.

[Supfreak26]

While I'm still enjoying this show, I feel like it's slowly coming apart at the ends and the future looks bleak regardless if it's picked up or not.

That's too bad because this show had potential.

BTW, I guess I'm the only person in America that didn't see the Chinese Dad speaking English thing coming. Of course I didn't see the bus coming either. :)

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It just seems like he's bullying him because he can and because he doesn't live up to Simon's standards of "blackness."I couldn't disagree more, but I don't have the energy to get into it. From my perspective, it doesn't seem that way at all. Guess it depends on where you're coming from.

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The woman is supposed to be a member of the Pussycat Dolls and was played by Cyia Batton who (coincedentally) is/was a member of the Pussycat Dolls.Just checked out her IMDb profile. NOW I know why she looked so familiar to me. She was Gul Dukat's daughter, Ziyal, on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.