24: Day 6 noon - 12:59PM - OAD 02.05.2007 *SPOILERS*

[terpfan1980]

Daddy dearest is not a good guy. Not at all.

Graeme (or however it was spelled) doesn't seem like such a huge loss though....

Jack's family is one screwed up mess.

[Hopeless]

Morris' last name is O'Brien. That's Chloe's last name too, isn't it? What's the explanation for that?

[Rob Helmerichs]

Morris' last name is O'Brien. That's Chloe's last name too, isn't it? What's the explanation for that?
She's his ex.

[Billyh1026]

Was 24 trying to jump the shark tonight?! Dropping Jack's brother on us was one thing...and somewhat believable. But come onnnnnnnnnnnnn!! His pop too!! AND on top of THAT, he off's his son??? All in the same ep!! Gimme a break people. That's a whole 2 years worth of story unfolding in 1 hour. Things we were asked to kinda shrug off as "it's on tv so we'll let it slide" are turning into things that are not only down right not real anymore, but just plain stupid. 24 better get better or I'm afraid it's run it's course..... Oh and while I'm on my soap box is Wayne Palmer the worst choice for a pres they could've picked or what???? I hope he gets killed off the show somehow.

[Cainebj]

Damn these last 2 weeks have sucked (- and not in a good way).

Parts of tonight were so soap opera melodramatic and the rest of it was completely predictible.

I fast forwarded through most of Graem's torture scene (coulda sworn I saw that 2 weeks ago - oh, wait, I did!)...

The daddy dearest twist and the Morris reveals
- I guessed both those plot choices about 5 minutes into it...

[kenr]

Anyone notice the appearance of a Deadwood actor? Powers Boothe who played Cy Tolliver on Deadwood played the Vice President on 24 tonight. He looks a lot different without the mustache, but the voice is sure recognizable.

[gchance]

She's his ex.

To be more specific... she's his ex-wife. Last season they explained that he had formerly worked for CTU but now was estranged somehow (my memory's slipping here). They brought him back because he had information to do something. At the beginning of this season, he's now working back at CTU full-time and Milo (who was the Chloe of S1 after Jamie died) is back. They also put it out there that he patched things up with Chloe and is once again seeing her.

Poor Morris. :p

TWO hours next week, folks.

Greg

[TAsunder]

Powers had no stache? I didn't even notice, because he looked identical to me. Man, that guy can really brood angrily. I half expected him to gut someone.

This was one of those episodes where everyone is 10 times more stupid than humanly possible. Just once I'd like to see Jack realize he's being conned.

[smak]

A terrorist group sets off a nuclear device near L.A., and President Palmer has a difficult decision on how far he can go in striking back. The Vice President and the President's aides want President Palmer to take drastic measures, but the President doesn't go through with it, angering the VP and aides.

Uh, season 2 anybody?

-smak-

[cheesesteak]

I hate the "jumped the shark" term but this season's plot is getting a wee bit ridiculous. Suddenly adding Jack's new family as baddies isn't looking like a good decision.

C'mon, Morris. Yes, your brother is seriously injured but what are you going to accomplish at the hospital other than sitting in the lobby and annoying the hospital staff dealing with a catastrophe for hours? And why'd Milo even tell Chloe without checking with Buchanon?

Jack's father killing his son is probably the least believable plot point in 24's history.

[windracer]

Anyone else notice that the name of this episode was "12 Noon - 1PM" instead of the normal "12:00PM - 1:00PM?"

This season does seem to be getting a bit ridiculous ...

[Bierboy]

...Graeme (or however it was spelled) doesn't seem like such a huge loss though.....
...His pop too!! AND on top of THAT, he off's his son??? ....
Do we know for SURE he's dead? ;) I don't remember them declaring him...granted he LOOKED deader than a doornail...but, after all, this is 24...

[Fahtrim]

The son "Graem" is dead. Kinda like the quality of the show 24.

How long before it is outed that Jack's nephew is really his son and he gets some buttsecks from Bonnie Haynes? (Ed reference there for you peeps)

Why oh why am I still watching this crap? It's a trainwreck at this point and I can't look away.................!!!!!!!!!

[Sirius Black]

The father's reaction to Graem's death (in front of the guard) may be setting up a way to get Jack out of the way. He could blame the death on Jack's "interrogation" techniques.

Peter MacNicol's character is far more slimy and dangerous than what happened in season 2. At least there, the people behind the conspiracy felt a small portion of remorse over what they felt they needed to do (IIRC). This time, I see this character doing things (whatever he has in mind) with or without Wayne Palmer's permission. He already lied about the reason what's her name resigned.

[sackman]

And why'd Milo even tell Chloe without checking with Buchanon?


Just a guess but ...


because Milo is this years mole.

[appleye1]

This season does seem to be getting a bit ridiculous ...Heh, I would bet that you could find a thread from every season that has that almost exact same quote. :p :)

Ridiculous is what this show trades in. It makes me laugh when every week someone says "Ooooo, this show just jumped the shark this week!" I bet I could find you 5 separate "jump the shark" incidents in the first season alone. I don't think it's possible for this show to jump the shark. It would have to "jump the whale" or something. I can't even imagine what level of ridiculous that would be. :D

[Rob Helmerichs]

Anyone else notice that the name of this episode was "12 Noon - 1PM" instead of the normal "12:00PM - 1:00PM?"
They finally got it right--although in the show itself, they still got it wrong (there's no such thing as 12:00 PM or 12:00 AM).

[goMO]

Milo must be involved. gotta have a mole somewhere.

If Jack's dad was really the ringleader, why didn't he just get down on his knees when they told him to? why would he talk back and give Jack an opening? I don't understand that..

can't wait to see how they "coerce" Morris!!

[TAsunder]

Isn't there a 12:00.0000000001 PM though? Maybe they are abbreviating.

[Kamakzie]

Jack's brother appeared at the end of last season didn't he? We just didn't know who he was at the time.

[cheesesteak]

Graeme's son looks like Kim - at least to me.

[catcard]

Yes (sigh) this season is starting to suck big time!!! :( Maybe this season they need to finally kill off Jack or let him ride off into the sunset with Audrey.... the end

[smickola]

As far as Milo being the mole...I'm betting on Nadia. When Milo logged her in under his login so she wouldn't be hampered by the screening, that left it wide open for Nadia to sabotage something in the system - and make it look like Milo did it.

[DLiquid]

Heh, I would bet that you could find a thread from every season that has that almost exact same quote. :p :)I was going to say the same thing. I think this is the first 24 thread I've read this season. I thought people would be talking about how cool the show is, but instead they're talking about how ridiculous it is. Hello? This show has been over the top ridiculous since Day 1, and some plot lines in past seasons have been WAY worse than anything this season. Anything with Kim, for example. I'd think you kind of have to embrace the stupidity of the show in order to enjoy it. That's what I do.

[TAsunder]

There's no evidence yet that there is a mole... is there?

[allan]

There's no evidence yet that there is a mole... is there?

Sure there is. It's 24! That's all the evidence needed. :D

[appleye1]

There's no evidence yet that there is a mole... is there?Isn't there always a mole? Probably not, but it seems like there always is.
Yes (sigh) this season is starting to suck big time!!! Maybe this season they need to finally kill off Jack or let him ride off into the sunset with Audrey.... the endThere have been rumors that despite Keifer signing a $40 million three year contract extension, this would be the last year for Jack Bauer. Keifer is also an executive producer of the show, so I'm sure things could be arranged that would make it worth his while for Jack to "die".

[sackman]

As far as Milo being the mole...I'm betting on Nadia. When Milo logged her in under his login so she wouldn't be hampered by the screening, that left it wide open for Nadia to sabotage something in the system - and make it look like Milo did it.

I'll counter and say that Milo is just setting her up. He clearly has activated the protocol in which his secure sockets are in fact rerouted to an open pipe which is under constant surveillance by someone at regional division. Now whenever Nadia attempts to check the hourlies, update her status reports or even refresh a directory it will appear that she is in fact working for the hostiles. Clearly if Nadia knew how to construct a secure firewall around her station or even reboot a router, the point would be moot. Unfortunately for Nadia, she isn't Chloe.

[DLiquid]

I'll counter and say that Milo is just setting her up. He clearly has activated the protocol in which his secure sockets are in fact rerouted to an open pipe which is under constant surveillance by someone at regional division. Now whenever Nadia attempts to check the hourlies, update her status reports or even refresh a directory it will appear that she is in fact working for the hostiles. Clearly if Nadia knew how to construct a secure firewall around her station or even reboot a router, the point would be moot. Unfortunately for Nadia, she isn't Chloe.Thanks for sending that to my screen.

[terpfan1980]

Thanks for sending that to my screen.

I'm amazed he made it past the hard perimeter. :D :p

[Kablemodem]

I'm amazed he made it past the hard perimeter. :D :p

Just look for the trail of dead Tac Team members.

[Billyh1026]

Ok, so Jack's family end's up dead or bad right or both? Soooooooooo...
Next year's plot is...(drum roll please)...Chase & Kim are hacked off that Jack hacked off Chase's hand and want revenge because his gov't didn't take care of him after he was renamed lefty (or righty..can't rememeber which appendage got the ax). That should pretty much take care of the Bauer clan I'd think....

[Zevida]

I thought this episode was great! Much better than last week. At least someone got shot on screen this week.

I would also like to point out that I totally called Morris as being the one to fix the trigger for the nukes, but I am too lazy to pull up the thread and actually link to where I said it. But I did.

I thought last episode was shaky, but this one was good. I bought that was all Graem had to admit too. When Daddy asked to speak to him, I figured he was probably going to kill him, but I didn't think Dad was still in on it. Doesn't surprise me though.

I do get a little tired of all the "jumped the shark" comments (really, people, don't you just feel stupid when you say it? It's the most tired, overused phrase ever, and it is very passe). Plus all the "this is ridiculously unbelievable" - um, yeah, it's 24!

I did think it was funny at two points during the show I responded to a character before Jack and each time I said the exact same thing he said a moment later. I love Jack, so predictable.

I think Wayne Palmer is a good president, I think the problem is that DB Woodside is too young and does not have the presence we expect from our TV presidents.

Oh, and every time Graem or Daddy said "The Company" I kept have Prison Break Season 1 flashbacks. Maybe there's a crossover in the works!

[IndyJones1023]

They've at least jumped the piranha.

[mqpickles]

At the end of the episode, I said, "I don't suppose we could hope that they hung a bag of saline and planted some bugs in that room, could we?" My husband's reply, "Of course not. That would take competence. This is CTU."

But I would love it if that's what happened.

All in all, they let daddy-o spend way too much time unguarded.

I don't think Milo is the mole because last year's mole was Miles, and the names are too similar.

Peter MacNicol sucks. I have high hopes for Powers Booth being a better evil puppetmaster.

[stalemate]

The part where Jack and his dad went back to Graem's house is a significant turning point in 24 history. No, not because they jumped the shark -- because this is the first time CTU ever set up a perimeter and actually kept the right person inside it!

[madscientist]

If Jack's dad was really the ringleader, why didn't he just get down on his knees when they told him to? why would he talk back and give Jack an opening? I don't understand that.I thought it was pretty obvious that Graeme and Dad's plan is a "good guy/traitor guy" ploy: Graeme takes the fall for everything and Dad gets in good with Jack and can be the inside man.

In other words... yes, that's right children...

JACK'S DAD IS THE MOLE!!!

[NoThru22]

Miles wasn't really a mole last season, he had a last minute switch of allegaince. A mole is planted.

[newsposter]

Why did both bill and chloe have to defer to jack to tell Mr chloe that he was in danger? She appears to still have feelings for him (telling him to behave instead of getting him fired) so why wouldnt she be the one to warn him? And in those 5 seconds, he could have gotten away instead of being captured.

Oh and perhaps Mr chloe is the mole but is just misleading us into thinking he will be forced. And what do they have on him anyway?

[TAsunder]

Because Jack's a control freak and has to be patched in at all times.

[Supfreak26]

Because Jack's a control freak and has to be patched in at all times.


LOL! :up:

I enjoyed the episode. It was a nice payoff after last week's lame setup episode. My wife called Miles being the engineer way early in the show. That's rare for her to do that so you know it had to be obvious. You could see Jack's dad turn pretty easily as well.

The only thing that really bugged me was the scene with the president's sister and that guy that got beat up. He said he felt bad for what he did. I don't get that. These guys were acting shady. He thought he was doing the right thing at the time by spying on them. It should be good news that they weren't terrorists. It's also a good thing that they at least attempted to find something out. He has nothing to be ashamed of.

And just to clarify, this plan that the Numbers guy and the VP want to pass off is what? Authorization to detain every Muslim in the US?

[TAsunder]

He felt bad because the rights of what turned out to be innocent civilians were trampled on, thereby radicalizing them. Thus explaining why he rejected the proposal - because he realized that reducing the freedoms of the muslim community may cause them to veer towards radicalism when instead they should be trying to enlist their aid.

[madscientist]

And just to clarify, this plan that the Numbers guy and the VP want to pass off is what? Authorization to detain every Muslim in the US?We don't know all the details, but it's apparently something like what the U.S. government did to Japanese in this country during WWII: creating detention camps and putting people into them based on nationality or religion, with no due process of any kind, and holding them indefinitely. There have been numerous references to suspending habeas corpus, etc.

[drew2k]

At the end of the episode, I said, "I don't suppose we could hope that they hung a bag of saline and planted some bugs in that room, could we?" My husband's reply, "Of course not. That would take competence. This is CTU."

But I would love it if that's what happened.

All in all, they let daddy-o spend way too much time unguarded.And who gets the blame for leaving the dangerous "truth-serum/pain-inducing" needle, pre-filled, in the room with Graeme?

[TAsunder]

Is that what happened or did he bring it into the room with him?

[jeff125va]

Isn't there a 12:00.0000000001 PM though? Maybe they are abbreviating.
Yes, there is such a time, but it's after 12:00 noon, so P.M. would be perfectly correct. That 0.0000000001 second was part of the episode, so no, they intentionally and correctly used "noon." The abbreviation P.M. is inherently contradictory to refer to 12:00 noon. Post Meridiem means after midday, and noon is midday, so it obviously cannot be after itself. But P.M. is associated with noon because the remainder of the noon hour is, of course, P.M.

And it ended at 1:00 not 12:59.

How long until Jack gets over the shock of Graem's confession enough to realize that it had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the current terrorist nuke plot?

[TAsunder]

Yes, there is such a time, but it's after 12:00 noon, so P.M. would be perfectly correct. That 0.0000000001 second was part of the episode, so no, they intentionally and correctly used "noon." The abbreviation P.M. is inherently contradictory to refer to 12:00 noon. Post Meridiem means after midday, and noon is midday, so it obviously cannot be after itself. But P.M. is associated with noon because the remainder of the noon hour is, of course, P.M.


Right, but apparently (per poster above) they showed 12:00pm on screen at some point. But likely it wasn't exactly 12:00pm at that point since TV is only, what, 24 frames per second? What are the odds?

[jeff125va]

We don't know all the details, but it's apparently something like what the U.S. government did to Japanese in this country during WWII: creating detention camps and putting people into them based on nationality or religion, with no due process of any kind, and holding them indefinitely. There have been numerous references to suspending habeas corpus, etc.
I think they referred to the heightened security restrictions on middle-eastern CTU agents, such as Nadia, as part of his proposals. And yes, they definitely included suspending habeas corpus, but I think there were definitely others. Although I guess if habeas corpus were suspended, the detention facilities would be legal, right?

[jeff125va]

Right, but apparently (per poster above) they showed 12:00pm on screen at some point. But likely it wasn't exactly 12:00pm at that point since TV is only, what, 24 frames per second? What are the odds?
Oh, gotcha. I wasn't thinking of the on-screen clock. I think it's acceptable to use P.M. on a clock, otherwise you'd have to show 11:59:59 AM, 12:00:00 noon, 12:00:01 PM, etc. That just wouldn't work with the little LED thingies.

[TAsunder]

I think they referred to the heightened security restrictions on middle-eastern CTU agents, such as Nadia, as part of his proposals. And yes, they definitely included suspending habeas corpus, but I think there were definitely others. Although I guess if habeas corpus were suspended, the detention facilities would be legal, right?

The nadia stuff was a prior proposal that palmer agreed to I believe. It's kind of confusing because in addition to that there are things he was putting in place unbeknowns to palmer in preperation for his upcoming proposals. I suppose the nadia thing could be one of them.

[stevemcl]

I do get a little tired of all the "jumped the shark" comments (really, people, don't you just feel stupid when you say it? It's the most tired, overused phrase ever, and it is very passe)


I thought the most overused phrase was "It is what it is" :rolleyes:

I've seen every ep since the show started and I thought it was an awesome ep.

[TB805]

Quick question: When the dad entered the room alone and the IV was still set up, Graham was still tied up....did the dad inject his poison into the hose or directly into the son? Did he just grab an already filled needle? I already deleted the ep.

What MORON leaves the IV set up in there and then leaves the room unattended....COME ON! A little much, even for 24!

[drew2k]

Quick question: When the dad entered the room alone and the IV was still set up, Graham was still tied up....did the dad inject his poison into the hose or directly into the son? Did he just grab an already filled needle? I already deleted the ep.

What MORON leaves the IV set up in there and then leaves the room unattended....COME ON! A little much, even for 24!Dad injected the solution directly into the IV, but it's unclear how Dad got the needle. Did Dad have the needle with him the entire time, from fake kidnapping and attempted execution to Graeme's house? Unlikely. Was it left in the room? That's just sloppy fieldwork. Did Dag grab it from another agent outside the room? Again, sloppy.

[IndyJones1023]

The kit was left open in the room. I agree it's lazy writing, but here's a off-the-cuff justification:

Dad saw that the med tech wasn't done packing yet and purposefully asked him if he could be alone for a moment right then to ensure he had access to the drugs.

[PajamaFeet]

I could only think that they would never let Dad back in that room alone.

I'm also having a hard time getting over the casting choice of Evan Ellingson for Josh Bauer. He has that kind of Norwegian look to his eyes & cheeks like Renée Zellweger. Neither Jack nor Graem looks like that...and he looks nothing like Rena Sofer playing Marilyn Bauer. Maybe casting was going for a resemblance to Elisha Cuthbert. But then that actress looked nothing like the actress who played her mother. It's not just the blonde hair, but the obviously Norwegian features that make me think Casting was sleeping that day.

or doing someone a favor

[Dennis Wilkinson]

Dad injected the solution directly into the IV, but it's unclear how Dad got the needle. Did Dad have the needle with him the entire time, from fake kidnapping and attempted execution to Graeme's house? Unlikely. Was it left in the room? That's just sloppy fieldwork. Did Dag grab it from another agent outside the room? Again, sloppy.

Was there a solution or toxin? I was under the impression he just injected a few cc's of air to cause an embolism.

[PajamaFeet]

Was there a solution or toxin? I was under the impression he just injected a few cc's of air to cause an embolism.
It just looked like the extra 4 cc syringe that Jack had wanted the tech to inject at gunpoint earlier in the hour.

[drew2k]

Was there a solution or toxin? I was under the impression he just injected a few cc's of air to cause an embolism.If that's the case, it totally slipped by me ... I saw the needle go into the IV port, and could swear I saw fluid moving, but I guess that could have been air pushing whatever was already in the IV tube.

All I know is Dad just pulled a needle out and went straight for the IV port. He didn't appear to pause to uncap the needle, measure a dosage, tap it, etc.

[IndyJones1023]

All I know is Dad just pulled a needle out and went straight for the IV port. He didn't appear to pause to uncap the needle, measure a dosage, tap it, etc.
If you're killing someone, none of that procedure matters anyway.

[NoThru22]

Uncapping the needle kind of would. (I realize the needle from earlier was already uncapped.)

[drew2k]

If you're killing someone, none of that procedure matters anyway.I should have said "draw a dosage" ...

The only way this really does make sense is if Dad DID use the leftover 4-cc measured dose that Jack was planning to be administered to Graeme ... You would have thought the tech would have re-capped it though to prevent injuries or untimely accidents! :eek:

[Church AV Guy]

...and I thought my wife's family was dysfunctional. No wonder Jack became estranged from his family.

[zalusky]

No wonder Jack can torture and off people so easily!

[DevdogAZ]

The kit was left open in the room. I agree it's lazy writing, but here's a off-the-cuff justification:

Dad saw that the med tech wasn't done packing yet and purposefully asked him if he could be alone for a moment right then to ensure he had access to the drugs.
I could have sworn that we saw the tech close up a case and carry it out with him when Dad asked him to leave the room. That's why I found it so unbelievable when suddenly there was a syringe there for Dad to use on Graem.

[IndyJones1023]

I could have sworn that we saw the tech close up a case and carry it out with him when Dad asked him to leave the room. That's why I found it so unbelievable when suddenly there was a syringe there for Dad to use on Graem.
I don't recall him packing up, but there was an open case at the end of the scene.

[marksman]

I was going to say the same thing. I think this is the first 24 thread I've read this season. I thought people would be talking about how cool the show is, but instead they're talking about how ridiculous it is. Hello? This show has been over the top ridiculous since Day 1, and some plot lines in past seasons have been WAY worse than anything this season. Anything with Kim, for example. I'd think you kind of have to embrace the stupidity of the show in order to enjoy it. That's what I do.

Kind of my thoughts too. Have not really been keeping up with threads, but the show has always been ridiculous. It is essentially a super hero show where Jack is the Superhero. When you have Father and Son taken to a hole with a cement mixer, clearly this is a batman moment.

None of this makes the show bad, but it does make me curious as to what show people were watching where they thought it was so serious and straight-laced.

I don't think the show is any more or less ridiculous than it has ever been. In fact the level of ridiculousness has been markedly consistent over the years.

[marksman]

I could only think that they would never let Dad back in that room alone.

I'm also having a hard time getting over the casting choice of Evan Ellingson for Josh Bauer. He has that kind of Norwegian look to his eyes & cheeks like Renée Zellweger. Neither Jack nor Graem looks like that...and he looks nothing like Rena Sofer playing Marilyn Bauer. Maybe casting was going for a resemblance to Elisha Cuthbert. But then that actress looked nothing like the actress who played her mother. It's not just the blonde hair, but the obviously Norwegian features that make me think Casting was sleeping that day.

or doing someone a favor

It is a weird family though, because Jack, Graem and their dad look nothing alike. You could not find three more different looking people all claiming to be directly related.

[Langree]

One of my issues was, why would the agents allow Jack's father to talk to Graem with the door closed and nobody in the room? The brother was a prisoner at that point.

Also, daddy left his prints on the syringe.

[madscientist]

It is a weird family though, because Jack, Graem and their dad look nothing alike. You could not find three more different looking people all claiming to be directly related.Yeah... it makes me shudder to think of what Jack and Graem's mother looked like!!! :eek: :eek:

:D

[gchance]

Yeah... it makes me shudder to think of what Jack and Graem's mother looked like!!! :eek: :eek:

:D

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/3152/KieferSuth_Pimen_5161300_400.jpg

Greg

[drew2k]

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/3152/KieferSuth_Pimen_5161300_400.jpg

GregThe image is denied ... I guess IMDB doesn't like it's image to be referenced from external sites!

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/3152/KieferSuth_Pimen_5161300_400.jpg

[gchance]

Which is weird because I referenced that image from Google Images, which displayed it just fine. :P

Greg

[IndyJones1023]

Works for me.

[drew2k]

Very odd ... I can get the image link from my post to work in Internet Explorer, but NOT in Firefox!

[theharleyman]

I say bring back Kim running from the cougar. If the cougar is unavailable just bring back Kim running. :D

[IndyJones1023]

No, showering Kim. I vote for showering Kim!

[JLucPicard]

I'm also having a hard time getting over the casting choice of Evan Ellingson for Josh Bauer. He has that kind of Norwegian look to his eyes & cheeks like Renée Zellweger. Neither Jack nor Graem looks like that...and he looks nothing like Rena Sofer playing Marilyn Bauer. Maybe casting was going for a resemblance to Elisha Cuthbert. But then that actress looked nothing like the actress who played her mother. It's not just the blonde hair, but the obviously Norwegian features that make me think Casting was sleeping that day.
Am I the only one that thinks Josh bears a striking resemblance to a young Kurt Russell? Maybe Kurt turns up as Jack's other brother that we have heard absolutely nothing about.

[Langree]

Am I the only one that thinks Josh bears a striking resemblance to a young Kurt Russell? Maybe Kurt turns up as Jack's other brother that we have heard absolutely nothing about.

Captain Ron would fit into the Bauer family just fine.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Am I the only one that thinks Josh bears a striking resemblance to a young Kurt Russell? Maybe Kurt turns up as Jack's other brother that we have heard absolutely nothing about.
The third Summers brother! :D

[classicX]

It is a weird family though, because Jack, Graem and their dad look nothing alike. You could not find three more different looking people all claiming to be directly related.

I beg to differ.

http://home.comcast.net/~derekbarr/This_Man_Got_Owned.jpg

:D

[IndyJones1023]

Shouldn't that be "pwned?"