Series 2 Single Tuner Removed!! [Text View]

wolflord11

02-05-2007, 12:50 PM

MediaLivingRoom

02-05-2007, 12:55 PM

wolflord11

02-05-2007, 01:07 PM

Well if the Series 2 Single has been removed, I hope they lower the prices on the DT and in turn the Series 3. Now I have to talk to the Wife again..... Try to convince her to get a Series 2 DT :D

phox_mulder

02-05-2007, 01:09 PM

Just remember, the Series2 DT won't work with an antenna.

Only Cable or Cable and Satellite.

phox

wolflord11

02-05-2007, 01:16 PM

We dont have an antenna, as we can only get One Channel with it anyways.....

Now things are looking bad, we have Satellite only, so I guess the Series 2 DT will only work like a Series 2 Single....

And the Series 3, out of the question as it is Cable Only.

So where are all us Satellite Users left? Are we being left out in the Cold? Why cant Tivo Release a Series 3 Model for us Sat Users?

SleepyBob

02-05-2007, 01:20 PM

So where are all us Satellite Users left? Are we being left out in the Cold? Why cant Tivo Release a Series 3 Model for us Sat Users?

Because DirecTV isn't interested in letting them do that.

Adam1115

02-05-2007, 01:46 PM

I went to the Tivo Site today as I was thinking of getting another Series 2 Single Tuner for Upstairs.

There are NO Series 2 Single Tuners on Tivo's Site, only the DT (Dual Tuner).

Anyone know if Tivo has discontinued the Series 2 Single Tuner?

Yes, they have discontinued the single tuner.

What's wrong with the DT? You can get one for $49...

http://www.tivo.com/2.1.1.0.ws.asp

There's also the humax units which are single tuner and do OTA, for only $99 and they have a burner...

You can also still find them retail, or on ebay. I paid $35 for my single tuner on ebay...

We dont have an antenna, as we can only get One Channel with it anyways.....

Now things are looking bad, we have Satellite only, so I guess the Series 2 DT will only work like a Series 2 Single....

And the Series 3, out of the question as it is Cable Only.

So where are all us Satellite Users left? Are we being left out in the Cold? Why cant Tivo Release a Series 3 Model for us Sat Users?

Uhm, no, your not left in the cold, the DT works fine with Satellite. And has the added benefit of a second analog cable tuner if you have both....

If you want an HD DVR and satellite, you're right, DirecTV discontinued that model and built there own, nothing TiVo can do about that...

petew

02-05-2007, 01:57 PM

Anyone know if Tivo has discontinued the Series 2 Single Tuner?

FCC rules which go into effect March 1 2007 require that all TV reception devices have both NTSC & ATSC (Digital) tuners or neither. Thus the Series 2 single tuner can't be sold after 2/28. It looks as if Tivo have managed their inventory well and cleared it out 3 week before the deadline.

mick66

02-05-2007, 03:03 PM

This isn't new news. The ST models have been unavailable at tivo.com for a while now.

ADent

02-06-2007, 01:05 PM

It will be illegal to make a the 'old' single tuner (w/NTSC only OTA reception) as of 3/1/2007.

The FCC has exempted the satellite companies from the CableCard rule, so no S3 for DirecTV - write to the FCC or your Congressmen if you would like the exemption removed.

ashu

02-06-2007, 05:50 PM

Yeah - CableCards on satellite boxes would rock.

When Satellite finally starts broadcasting higher quality HD, of course ;)

classicsat

02-08-2007, 11:16 AM

jlb

02-08-2007, 11:25 AM

Here's an interesting question/thought.......

If you have a problem with a TiVo and you send it in, if they can't fix it, they give you another box (possibly a refurb), right?

So if you have a broken ST model and send it for service, it is possible you might get a DT back..........

wolflord11

02-08-2007, 11:32 AM

Interesting thought jlb.

Both my Series 2 ST are under Warranty, so if one does break it ould need to be sent back for service/repair.....

Now, they have no New ST models left, and they have sold out of the Refurbished ones, so maybe, just maybe they would send out a DT as a replacement?

:) Perhaps I might be upgrading to a DT... lol.

ashu

02-08-2007, 12:20 PM

Of course, if the FCC mandated satellite providers open their platforms, or they voluntarily choseto, the standard might not be Cablecard, and current Cablecard equipment would be directly incompatible anyways.

The FCC could grow a pair and REQUIRE they use the same standard! I've read technical discussions that say it isn't at all impossible/difficult to achieve this. a PCMCIA-sized card like the CC happens to be can hold all the circuitry/gadgetry needed to achieve the SAME results froma satellite source as it does with a cable source.

petew

02-08-2007, 01:46 PM

The FCC could grow a pair and REQUIRE they use the same standard! .

Even if the cablecard standard were the same the box would need a DBS tuner since the frequencies and modulation used by satelite is different from OTA and cable.

Not a big issue since the chipsets are available but it does mean that even if the standard were imposed the existing S3's could never work.

ashu

02-08-2007, 01:57 PM

Two words for you.

USB ports.

True, an addon to the S3, but reasonably doable. There used to be PC addons that could tune satellite, once, right? And a tuner is achildishly simple piece of gadgetry. Wouldn't cost much, and MPEg4 can be stored/played back flawlessly by the S3, I understand.

Now, like I said, if the FCC would grow a pair ...

Welshdog

02-08-2007, 11:55 PM

atmuscarella

02-09-2007, 06:37 AM

Welshdog,

How small of a space do you have? This Samsung 26" LCD is only 18.5 inch high without the base or 20.5 inch with the base.

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNS2641DXXAA.asp?page=Specifications

Good Luck,

petew

02-09-2007, 09:46 AM

Two words for you.

USB ports.

If you're going that direction a much better one word answer:

Firewire

FCC rules require cable co to provide a firewire out for digital VCR's if there was the same requirement for sataelitte it would be a simple generic solution.

Puppy76

02-09-2007, 11:02 AM

Wow. Tivo is officially dead to me. They don't make a single product I can use.

No Tivo2Go on the S3, and no S2 that handles broadcasts.

Wow. No idea what I'm going to do two years from now (or if my current Tivo dies).

GoHokies!

02-09-2007, 11:55 AM

You'll get TTG at some point on the S3. The official word is "weeks, not months", for what it's worth...

ewilts

02-09-2007, 01:13 PM

where are the ATSC TV sets in small screen sizes? You would think that since all new TVs must be ATSC compliant on 3/1/07 there would be some in stores at this point. We need to change out a couple of old CRT sets and we don't want giant screens. A 26" LCD won't fit over my fridge!
How about a 15" Sharp TV? http://www.abtelectronics.com/product/27200.html. I'm not endorsing the TV nor ABT Electronics - they just happened to pop up via google.

.../Ed

Puppy76

02-09-2007, 01:50 PM

You'll get TTG at some point on the S3. The official word is "weeks, not months", for what it's worth...

Are you sure? I asked a week or two back before the lifetime offer ended, and everyone said it's either not coming or we have no idea when or if.

Narf54321

02-09-2007, 02:04 PM

You'll get TTG at some point on the S3. The official word is "weeks, not months", for what it's worth...

Yeah: weeks... just like they said, months ago!

Puppy76

02-09-2007, 03:11 PM

I don't remember Tivo ever saying ANYTHING official. I'm not holding my breath for it, because presumably it was removed for Cablecard compliance. I'd much rather have Tivo2Go. Too bad they can't sell a model without cablecard support but with Tivo2go. I would probably have bought that if I could somehow get lifetime on it (like that prior deal) and it supported some kind of additional storage, since 25-30 hours isn't good enough for me a lot of the time.

ashu

02-09-2007, 04:09 PM

If you're going that direction a much better one word answer:

Firewire

FCC rules require cable co to provide a firewire out for digital VCR's if there was the same requirement for sataelitte it would be a simple generic solution.

Umm ... the S3 lacks a 1394 port. I was talking about an offboard DBS-enabling-piece-of-gadgetry that plugged into an existing S3, via, most likely, the USB port!

GoHokies!

02-09-2007, 05:30 PM

Are you sure? I asked a week or two back before the lifetime offer ended, and everyone said it's either not coming or we have no idea when or if.

Wrong.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=336654&highlight=S3+MRV

The quote was "Weeks, not months" from the CEO. I'm not sure how much more official you can want. CES was almost exactly a month ago, so we're still )barely) in that window.

Not months, as Narf54321 incorrectly implied. :rolleyes:

The linked thread even has the deeply cryptic search terms (S3, MRV) that turned up this elusive gem.

classicsat

02-09-2007, 06:03 PM

Umm ... the S3 lacks a 1394 port. I was talking about an offboard DBS-enabling-piece-of-gadgetry that plugged into an existing S3, via, most likely, the USB port!

USB would be only used for control.

The hardware would be a tuner (or two or more) that tunes the satellite signal, decrypts it with its built in CA/smartcard, encrypts to a Cablecard standard, and remodulates on QAM, to the cable input on the DVR, which is decrypted with a cablecard specific to the aformentioned tuner box.

ZeoTiVo

02-09-2007, 06:31 PM

Wrong.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=336654&highlight=S3+MRV

The quote was "Weeks, not months" from the CEO. I'm not sure how much more official you can want. CES was almost exactly a month ago, so we're still )barely) in that window.

Not months, as Narf54321 incorrectly implied. :rolleyes:

The linked thread even has the deeply cryptic search terms (S3, MRV) that turned up this elusive gem. He also said it was just getting into Alpha testing, didn't he? That would certainly not nake it ready in weeks.

greg_burns

02-09-2007, 06:36 PM

Wrong.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=336654&highlight=S3+MRV

The quote was "Weeks, not months" from the CEO. I'm not sure how much more official you can want. CES was almost exactly a month ago, so we're still )barely) in that window.

Not months, as Narf54321 incorrectly implied. :rolleyes:

The linked thread even has the deeply cryptic search terms (S3, MRV) that turned up this elusive gem.

Wait a minute...
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4779635&&#post4779635

The weeks, not months was in reference to just 8.1. TTG & MRV was quoted as later this year.

GoHokies!

02-09-2007, 09:16 PM

You both are absolutely correct - 8.1 was the "weeks not months", which is not necessarily MRV or TTG.

Sorry for the misstatement.

Welshdog

02-09-2007, 09:46 PM

How about a 15" Sharp TV? http://www.abtelectronics.com/product/27200.html. I'm not endorsing the TV nor ABT Electronics - they just happened to pop up via google.

.../EdThat looks like a pretty decent TV, but I kindof want to go 16:9 since most programming will be in that aspect eventually.

Puppy76

02-12-2007, 12:18 PM

Hmm. Darn! I probably would have picked up a Series 3 had I known Tivo had committed to Tivo2Go. Too late now :(

I don't care about Cable support, so that's fine with me if it's only for over the air (aka Wireless TV :D )

At least I'll be able to consider an S3 if my S2 dies or once they shut off analog two years from now.

classicsat

02-12-2007, 01:21 PM

I don't remember Tivo ever saying ANYTHING official. I'm not holding my breath for it, because presumably it was removed for Cablecard compliance.

It was removed, supposedly, to get cablecard compliance as soon as they could, to get it out the door.

I'd much rather have Tivo2Go. Too bad they can't sell a model without cablecard support but with Tivo2go. I would probably have bought that if I could somehow get lifetime on it (like that prior deal) and it supported some kind of additional storage, since 25-30 hours isn't good enough for me a lot of the time.

If you are talking of a non-cablecard direct-digital OTA-HD DVR (which would be the only other digital source it could be could be capable of directly recording from), they made a prototype, but with little interest, due to the then small market segment of digital OTA.

Puppy76

02-12-2007, 02:16 PM

It was removed, supposedly, to get cablecard compliance as soon as they could, to get it out the door.

If you are talking of a non-cablecard direct-digital OTA-HD DVR (which would be the only other digital source it could be could be capable of directly recording from), they made a prototype, but with little interest, due to the then small market segment of digital OTA.

Yeah, I mean just a series 3 without the cable card slots, and with Tivo2Go...

except that it sounds like they ARE going to enable Tivo2Go this year for over the air digital and all analog, so I guess I don't need a different model after all.

I just wish I had known about that while I could still get a Series 3 with Lifetime. I would have gotten it...especially now that I've seen Amazon has it for something like $660.

TydalForce

02-12-2007, 02:20 PM

it wouldn't surprise me if Cable Labs is holding up TTG on the S3 even in a scenario where cable cards aren't installed. If the functionality exists in any scenario, the possibility exists that it could be hacked to work when cable cards are installed. I don't know how likely that REALLY is, but even if it's a possibility I could see them having a concern.

atmuscarella

02-12-2007, 02:31 PM

Well I for one would have purchased a Series 3 without cable cards for OTA digital/analog if it could have still controlled my satellite STB and I don't have an HD TV and most likely will not get one for several years.

All I hear on these boards is there no market for this and no market for that - well there isn't any market for most stuff until the company making it figures out how to create it. There are 110 million homes in the US with TVs, TiVo including Direct TiVos is in less than 4% of them. The only DVR market that TiVo can not participate in currently is HD satellite. The bottom line is TiVo hasn't figured out how to market DVRs yet.

The one thing I can tell you is that limiting product choice and not providing viable solutions to all segments of your potential market is not the answer. TiVos current 2 model product line is inadequate. They need to figure out how to build and market a full product line including many combinations of SD/HD and combined DVR/DVD/VCR products.

However it is fairly clear that TiVo would prefer to be a software company instead of a hardware company so I dought we will ever see many products/model choices out of them.

Thanks,

greg_burns

02-12-2007, 06:08 PM

YI just wish I had known about that while I could still get a Series 3 with Lifetime. I would have gotten it...especially now that I've seen Amazon has it for something like $660.

What's stopping you? Everybody is saying Tivo isn't looking too hard when you bought it as long as you the lifetime transferred by March 2.

http://www.wkblog.com/2007/02/series3_lifetime_service_trans.html

rcapolete

02-13-2007, 04:19 PM

i just brought a dt last night. while at Best Buy they had a couple of st left. So if people are intrested they can get them there

Puppy76

02-14-2007, 09:48 AM

What's stopping you? Everybody is saying Tivo isn't looking too hard when you bought it as long as you the lifetime transferred by March 2.

http://www.wkblog.com/2007/02/series3_lifetime_service_trans.html

Do you know anything more about how to do this? I deleted my email about it after it said the offer expired.

Would I be able to get one from Amazon if I ordered now and did this?

I'd be taking a gamble both that I could transfer lifetime, AND that S3s will really support Tivo 2 Go (it's...well, not quite worthless, but only half as useful to me if it doesn't end up supporting Tivo2Go).

Coincidentally, my Palm says today is exactly 2 years from the day I activated lifetime on my S2 :)

greg_burns

02-14-2007, 10:17 AM

Do you know anything more about how to do this? I deleted my email about it after it said the offer expired.

Would I be able to get one from Amazon if I ordered now and did this?

I'd be taking a gamble both that I could transfer lifetime, AND that S3s will really support Tivo 2 Go (it's...well, not quite worthless, but only half as useful to me if it doesn't end up supporting Tivo2Go).

Coincidentally, my Palm says today is exactly 2 years from the day I activated lifetime on my S2 :)

Weaknees will give you the TSN prior to shipping. If they give you trouble you can cancel your order without hassel (according to that link). But, yeah, if you ordered from Amazon you can still transfer without even opening the box. The TSN is on the outside. If Tivo gives you flak, send it packing.

From what I've been reading, nobody (yet) has been asked to show any proof of purchase date.

http://www.tivo.com/2.0.3hdDvr.plt_expired.asp

Puppy76

02-14-2007, 11:06 AM

Thanks! I'm honestly not sure what to do now. I'll be gambling on Tivo2Go being supported. And I don't really NEED one for two years when analog broadcasts are shut off.

On the other hand I'd love dual tuners (though I'll have to keep using the S2 as my main one until the S3 gets Tivo2go). And of course the S3 will already be 2 years old by the time I *need* it...

and it does sound buggy right now, though that will (hopefully) get patched as time goes on. Geez, I'm not sure what to do now!