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danterner
02-02-2007, 11:45 AM
The more I think about Heroes and the direction in which it has been moving, the more I think I may be beginning to perceive some basic underlying themes of the show. The following analysis is speculation on my part, but strict spoilerphobes beware: some of my theorizing is based upon third party sources (tidbits and clues the writers have mentioned in interviews, primarily).

1. SYZYGY

The concept of syzygy plays an important thematic role in Heroes. Syzygy has two relevant definitions. The first is astronomical: Syzygy describes the alignment of the planets. “Either of two points in the orbit of a celestial body where the body is in opposition to or in conjunction with the sun. Either of two points in the orbit of the moon when the moon lies in a straight line with the sun and Earth. The configuration of the sun, the moon, and Earth lying in a straight line.” This is most evident with regard to the use of the eclipse as a thematic element in Heroes. Although we are now learning that some Heroes manifested their abilities prior to “6 months ago,” (perhaps during previous eclipses), the eclipse is definitely associated with the manifestation of their powers. Correlation is not causation, and I'm not saying that the eclipse caused their powers; just that it is associated somehow.

The second definition of syzygy is the Jungian definition. Carl Jung uses the word syzygy to indicate the union of two beings, opposite yet complementary. He describes syzygy as "an archetypal pairing of contrasexual opposites, which symbolized the communication of the conscious and unconscious minds, the conjunction of two organisms without the loss of identity." I think we can see this in our heroes: most evidently in Jessica/Nikki, but also in other pairings. For example, Sylar and Peter seem to be two sides of the same coin in terms of their ability to absorb the powers of others. Micah and Hanna (just recently introduced on the show, but already the subject of several of the online comics) also seem to have complementary powers: I have little doubt we'll be seeing some significant interactions between these two players, just as we have between Peter and Sylar. Finally, there's an argument to be made that there is a pairing to be made of Peter and Nathan. Two brothers, very different from each other. Once embracing his power, one denying it. One primarily focused on the concerns of others, the other (at least initially) shown as being primarily focused on himself.

2. ENNEAGRAMS

In various interviews, the writers have indicated that the number 9, and Indian mythology, play an important role in the Heroes universe. See: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9485

A quick wikipedia search of the number 9 and mythology yields some interesting points: First, there is reference to enneagrams. “The Enneagram is one system of knowledge which shows the correspondence between the 9 integers and the Circle. The 360 degrees of the circle, which can be trace back to the Rig Veda of ancient India, can also be seen to speak of the 9, via theosophical addition (3 + 6 + 0 = 9).” Putting aside the perhaps coincidental fact that the Heroes online experience is being referred to as “Heroes 360,” let's instead look at the 9 enneatypes, which basically break people down into one of 9 types. Whether you believe this is valid or bunk, I would argue that the enneatypes are being used in Heroes, and that each of our Heroes is the embodiment of one of these types:

* One: Reformer, Critic, Perfectionist - This type focuses on integrity. Ones can be wise, discerning and inspiring in their quest for the truth. They also tend to dissociate themselves from their flaws or what they believe are flaws (such as negative emotions) and can become hypocritical and hyper-critical of others, seeking the illusion of virtue to hide their own vices. The One's greatest fear is to be flawed and their ultimate goal is perfection. The corresponding "deadly sin" Ones is Anger and their "holy idea" or essence is Holy Perfection. Under stress Ones express qualities of Fours and when relaxed qualities of Sevens.

I'd argue this describes Nathan

* Two: Helper, Giver, Caretaker - Twos, at their best, are compassionate, thoughtful and astonishingly generous; they can also be prone to passive-aggressive behavior, clinginess and manipulation. Twos want, above all, to be loved and needed and fear being unworthy of love. The corresponding "deadly sin" of Twos is Pride and their "holy idea" or essence is Holy Will. Under stress Twos express qualities of Eights and when relaxed qualities of Fours.

This sounds like Peter to me

* Three: Achiever, Performer, Succeeder - Highly adaptable and changeable. Some walk the world with confidence and unstinting authenticity; others wear a series of public masks, acting the way they think will bring them approval and losing track of their true self. Threes are motivated by the need to succeed and to be seen as successful. The corresponding "deadly sin" of Threes is Deceit and their "holy idea" or essence is Holy Law. Under stress Threes express qualities of Nines and when relaxed qualities of Sixes.

Sylar, perhaps?

* Four: Romantic, Individualist, Artist - Driven by a desire to understand themselves and find a place in the world they often fear that they have no identity or personal significance. Fours embrace individualism and are often profoundly creative and intuitive. However, they have a habit of withdrawing to internalize, searching desperately inside themselves for something they never find and creating a spiral of depression. The corresponding "deadly sin" of Fours is Envy and their "holy idea" or essence is Holy Origin. Under stress Fours express qualities of Twos and when relaxed qualities of Ones.

Isaac

* Five: Observer, Thinker, Investigator - Fives are motivated by the desire to understand the world around them, specifically in terms of facts. Believing they are only worth what they contribute, Fives have learned to withdraw, to watch with keen eyes and speak only when they can shake the world with their observations. Sometimes they do just that. However, some Fives are known to withdraw from the world, becoming reclusive hermits and fending off social contact with abrasive cynicism. Fives fear incompetency or uselessness and want to be capable and knowledgeable above all else. The corresponding "deadly sin" of the Five is Avarice and their "holy idea" or essence is Holy Omniscience. Under stress Fives express qualities of Sevens and when relaxed qualities of Eights.

Matt, or maybe now Claude too.

* Six: Loyalist, Devil's Advocate, Defender - Sixes long for stability above all else. They exhibit unwavering loyalty and responsibility, but once betrayed, they are slow to trust again. They are prone to extreme anxiety and passive-aggressive behavior. Their greatest fear is to lack support and guidance. The corresponding "deadly sin" of the Six is Cowardice and their "holy idea" or essence is Holy Faith and Strength. Under stress Sixes express qualities of Threes and when relaxed qualities of Nines.
o There are two kinds of Sixes - phobic and counterphobic. Phobic Sixes have a tendency to run or hide from things they fear while counterphobic Sixes are more likely to confront their fears.

Maybe Ando? He hasn't evidenced powers (yet), but Hiro has argued that “you don't need super powers to be a hero”

* Seven: Enthusiast, Adventurer, Materialist, Epicure - Sevens tend to flit from one activity to another with all the energy and enthusiasm of the Puer Aeternus. At their best they embrace life for its varied joys and wonders and truly live in the moment; but at their worst they dash frantically from one new experience to another, too scared of disappointment to actually enjoy themselves. Sevens fear being unable to provide for themselves or to experience life in all of its richness. The corresponding "deadly sin" of Sevens is Gluttony and their "holy idea" or essence is Holy Wisdom". Under stress Sevens express qualities of Ones and when relaxed qualities of Fives.

Claire?

* Eight: Leader, Protector, Challenger - Eights are motivated by justice and the desire to be in the right. They worry about self-protection and control. They are natural leaders, who can be either capable and passionate or dictatorially manipulative, ruthless, and willing to destroy anything in their way. Eights seek control over their own lifes and destinies, and fear being harmed or controlled by others. The corresponding "deadly sin" of the Eight is Lust and their "holy idea" or essence is Holy Truth. Under stress Eights express qualities of Fives and when relaxed qualities of Twos.

Mr. Bennet

* Nine: Mediator, Peacemaker, Preservationist - Nines are ruled by their empathy. At their best they are perceptive, receptive, gentle, calming and at peace with the world. On the other hand, they prefer to dissociate from conflicts; they indifferently go along with others' wishes, or simply withdraw, acting via inaction. They fear the conflict caused by their ability to simultaneously understand opposing points of view and seek peace of mind above all else. The corresponding "deadly sin" of the Nine is Sloth and their "holy idea" or essence is Holy Love. Under stress Nines express qualities of Sixes and when relaxed qualities of Threes.

Nikki? Hiro?

3. ARCHETYPES

Similar to the concept of enneagrams, Joseph Campbell discusses 9 character archetypes in "The Hero with a Thousand Faces." His 9 archetypes are an extension of the archetypes Carl Jung espoused. They are:

The Syzygy - The divine couple
The Child
The Ubermensch
The Hero
The Great Mother
The Wise Old Man
The Trickster
The Peur Aeternus - The eternal boy
The Cosmic Man

It would be an interesting exercise to see how our characters fit within these archetypes.

All of the foregoing is conjecture, but one thing is certain: I'm loving the show, and can't wait for the next episode!

2/28/07 - Edited to add: it occurs to me that the significance of the number 9 in this show could tie in to the fact that there are 9 planets in our solar system. This plays into the whole syzygy thing described above, and the alignment of those planets. Also, updating to add that on the most recent Comic Book Resources writer Q&A thread someone asked about repetition of the year 1962 (HRG was born in 1962, Primatech Paper was founded in 1962, and there's a birth announcement pinned near Suresh's map that says that "Paul E. Sylar" was born on June 11, 1962. Know what else happened in 1962? That's right -- syzygy: " February 4-February 5 - During the new moon and solar eclipse of February 4-5, 1962, an extremely rare grand conjunction of the classical planets occurred (it included all five of the naked-eye planets plus the Sun and Moon), all of them within 16° of one another on the ecliptic. At the precise moment of the new moon/solar eclipse, five celestial bodies (the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, and Jupiter) were clustered within 3° of each other, with the Earth in close conjunction with them. Taken in totality though, this grand conjunction included the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn, with the Earth also in alignment with the Sun and Moon at the exact moment of the new moon/solar eclipse (eight celestial bodies in total)." ( from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1962 )

Billyh1026
02-02-2007, 08:49 PM
Uhhhhhhhhh yeah...I think the show's cool. Dude, seriously..you put way too much thought and time into that post...wow....

dcheesi
02-02-2007, 09:02 PM
Eh, it's what he's into. He might even be right, as far as the show's concerned. It's always possible that those whacky scriptwriters out in California are into the same thing.

OTOH, when you're studying one of those personality typing systems, or anything like that, it's always tempting to see everything in terms of them. The fact is that personality categories are inherently arbitrary, and should only be used as tools for getting a superficial "first read" on someone, or for general insights on how to handle someone who's acting like a particular "type" at the moment.

nedthelab
02-02-2007, 09:03 PM
Wow - A whole essay, entertainment gone too far??

Vito the TiVo
02-02-2007, 10:01 PM
Personally, I feel like LOST may be too slow and lost viewers, but Heroes plays like the antithesis of that, and is more like a 21st century version of the Love Boat or Fantasy Island.

They simply give the viewers what they want, and a lot of it. Throw in random guest stars. I enjoy the show, but I just don't get the feeling that there is much thought behind it at all.

If they keeping adding Heroes at the rate they are, soon it will overflow.

They went back on Thomas Dekker's character being gay.

Episode two was slapped together simply to save budget money (that's why most of it was a recap)

They burned through their first catchphrase in the first half of season one, and have moved on to their new catchphrase.

I just guarantee you that if they keep going through story the way that they are, they're going to completely burnout and pull an O.C.

gastrof
02-02-2007, 10:42 PM
Personally, I feel like LOST may be too slow and lost viewers, but Heroes plays like the antithesis of that, and is more like a 21st century version of the Love Boat or Fantasy Island.

They simply give the viewers what they want, and a lot of it. Throw in random guest stars. I enjoy the show, but I just don't get the feeling that there is much thought behind it at all...

Who are the "guest stars" that have appeared on the show? Nobody I can think of.

My only complaint is that they're taking so long to tell one story. Then again, if they were doing this story faster than they are, maybe it wouldn't have worked as well as it has.

desulliv
02-03-2007, 01:48 AM
Uhhhhhhhhh yeah...I think the show's cool. Dude, seriously..you put way too much thought and time into that post...wow....
Ever read a Lost thread?

scooterboy
02-03-2007, 08:02 AM
Um...when I joined this forum, I was told it would be all multiple choice - no essays.





;)

nedthelab
02-03-2007, 10:46 AM
Its a fun show, It's a required.. however over analysing anything reminds me too much of What I do at work..

Barmat
02-04-2007, 02:04 AM
I think it's a great post. Thank you for all your work.

gchance
02-04-2007, 11:24 AM
Wow - A whole essay, entertainment gone too far??

Yeah, just wait until the Super Bowl's over, all the diatribes. This is nuthin'.

Greg

jradford
02-04-2007, 11:32 AM
I enjoyed it, as well. It's fun to come up with theories and see how it all plays out.

bdlucas
02-04-2007, 01:13 PM
Um...when I joined this forum, I was told it would be all multiple choice - no essays.





;)
In other words, where's the poll? :)

I've never watched this show, but this has got me interested, maybe. Thanks!

WinBear
02-04-2007, 01:28 PM
They went back on Thomas Dekker's character being gay.

I think I uncovered part of the reason for this. Dekker won't be back next season. He's set to star in the Sarah Connor Chronicles as a young John Connor.

nedthelab
02-04-2007, 02:54 PM
Yeah, just wait until the Super Bowl's over, all the diatribes. This is nuthin'.

Greg


Well I cant wait to see another essay on whatever commercials generate the most buzz. Someone should spend hours and come up with at least 4-5 pages (acyally I would prefer a novel) on the minutia of the 14 or so bud commercials that come up... I am sure someone will tie them altogether and any use of a Clidsale will have some significance other than their mascaot, and any bikini clad ladies will evolve into a social/sexual commentary on the fall of feminism.....

dcheesi
02-04-2007, 03:25 PM
I think I uncovered part of the reason for this. Dekker won't be back next season. He's set to star in the Sarah Connor Chronicles as a young John Connor.Um, why would that make a difference? Are you saying that his gay-ness was supposed to factor into some big plot sequence in later seasons? Otherwise, if they were worried about controversy, it seems to me that knowing the character was going away soon would make it less of an issue for them... :confused:

danterner
02-05-2007, 10:12 AM
OTOH, when you're studying one of those personality typing systems, or anything like that, it's always tempting to see everything in terms of them. The fact is that personality categories are inherently arbitrary, and should only be used as tools for getting a superficial "first read" on someone, or for general insights on how to handle someone who's acting like a particular "type" at the moment.

Actually, I agree with you completely - when it comes to real people. As for fictional characters, however, I'd argue that they often do fall into specific archetypes (especially when dealing with myth).

ping
02-05-2007, 10:15 AM
A bit over my head, but a definite :up: for the effort.

Reminds me of a class I took in college. There's a state law that you need to write a certain number of words, and it's usually covered by the normal English classes. However, I tested out of the first English during orientation, so I had to make up the words. They have classes designed specifically for this purpose, so I selected "Writing about Star Trek". Using "The Enemy Within" to demonstrate the Id, Ego, and Super-ego was my masterpiece. :D

trausch
02-05-2007, 10:26 AM
Nice post. This is about all I can add.

Confucius say that, man who stand on toilet very high on pot.

cheesesteak
02-05-2007, 03:30 PM
Wow. You put some serious thought into that. I only got through SYZYGY but that's just a reflection of me. I like the pretty pictures.

wprager
02-05-2007, 06:14 PM
* One: Reformer, Critic, Perfectionist - This type focuses on integrity. Ones can be wise, discerning and inspiring in their quest for the truth. They also tend to dissociate themselves from their flaws or what they believe are flaws (such as negative emotions) and can become hypocritical and hyper-critical of others, seeking the illusion of virtue to hide their own vices. The One's greatest fear is to be flawed and their ultimate goal is perfection. The corresponding "deadly sin" Ones is Anger and their "holy idea" or essence is Holy Perfection. Under stress Ones express qualities of Fours and when relaxed qualities of Sevens.

I'd argue this describes Nathan

I'd say Sylar. He's definitely a perfectionist, always trying to figure out how to fix things (and people). He is certainly a psychopath -- which is a flaw -- and he has disassociated himself from that.

* Three: Achiever, Performer, Succeeder - Highly adaptable and changeable. Some walk the world with confidence and unstinting authenticity; others wear a series of public masks, acting the way they think will bring them approval and losing track of their true self. Threes are motivated by the need to succeed and to be seen as successful. The corresponding "deadly sin" of Threes is Deceit and their "holy idea" or essence is Holy Law. Under stress Threes express qualities of Nines and when relaxed qualities of Sixes.

Sylar, perhaps?

I'll go with Nathan, myself.

* Five: Observer, Thinker, Investigator - Fives are motivated by the desire to understand the world around them, specifically in terms of facts. Believing they are only worth what they contribute, Fives have learned to withdraw, to watch with keen eyes and speak only when they can shake the world with their observations. Sometimes they do just that. However, some Fives are known to withdraw from the world, becoming reclusive hermits and fending off social contact with abrasive cynicism. Fives fear incompetency or uselessness and want to be capable and knowledgeable above all else. The corresponding "deadly sin" of the Five is Avarice and their "holy idea" or essence is Holy Omniscience. Under stress Fives express qualities of Sevens and when relaxed qualities of Eights.

Matt, or maybe now Claude too.

Matt, for sure. But Mohinder, even more so.

* Six: Loyalist, Devil's Advocate, Defender - Sixes long for stability above all else. They exhibit unwavering loyalty and responsibility, but once betrayed, they are slow to trust again. They are prone to extreme anxiety and passive-aggressive behavior. Their greatest fear is to lack support and guidance. The corresponding "deadly sin" of the Six is Cowardice and their "holy idea" or essence is Holy Faith and Strength. Under stress Sixes express qualities of Threes and when relaxed qualities of Nines.
o There are two kinds of Sixes - phobic and counterphobic. Phobic Sixes have a tendency to run or hide from things they fear while counterphobic Sixes are more likely to confront their fears.

Maybe Ando? He hasn't evidenced powers (yet), but Hiro has argued that “you don't need super powers to be a hero”

I'd say Hiro definitely exhibits the second kind.

* Seven: Enthusiast, Adventurer, Materialist, Epicure - Sevens tend to flit from one activity to another with all the energy and enthusiasm of the Puer Aeternus. At their best they embrace life for its varied joys and wonders and truly live in the moment; but at their worst they dash frantically from one new experience to another, too scared of disappointment to actually enjoy themselves. Sevens fear being unable to provide for themselves or to experience life in all of its richness. The corresponding "deadly sin" of Sevens is Gluttony and their "holy idea" or essence is Holy Wisdom". Under stress Sevens express qualities of Ones and when relaxed qualities of Fives.

Claire?

No clue, but I wouldn't say Claire (Materialist? Epicure?) I'd like to say Eden, but we never learned much about her. The waitress (I'm bad with names, and hers should have been easy) also comes to mind.

* Eight: Leader, Protector, Challenger - Eights are motivated by justice and the desire to be in the right. They worry about self-protection and control. They are natural leaders, who can be either capable and passionate or dictatorially manipulative, ruthless, and willing to destroy anything in their way. Eights seek control over their own lifes and destinies, and fear being harmed or controlled by others. The corresponding "deadly sin" of the Eight is Lust and their "holy idea" or essence is Holy Truth. Under stress Eights express qualities of Fives and when relaxed qualities of Twos.

Mr. Bennet

Yes, and also Hiro and, to a lesser degree, Nathan (leadership certainly comes naturally to him, and he's protective of his brother).

* Nine: Mediator, Peacemaker, Preservationist - Nines are ruled by their empathy. At their best they are perceptive, receptive, gentle, calming and at peace with the world. On the other hand, they prefer to dissociate from conflicts; they indifferently go along with others' wishes, or simply withdraw, acting via inaction. They fear the conflict caused by their ability to simultaneously understand opposing points of view and seek peace of mind above all else. The corresponding "deadly sin" of the Nine is Sloth and their "holy idea" or essence is Holy Love. Under stress Nines express qualities of Sixes and when relaxed qualities of Threes.

Nikki? Hiro?

Tough one. I see why you said Niki, although Micah (or maybe even D.L.) will eventually fit better -- at this point in time we just don't know enough about their characters.

Billyh1026
02-05-2007, 11:22 PM
Ever read a Lost thread?

Nope...should I not? I tried watching Lost when it 1st came on but it lost me after it got just down right boring after the 2nd ep...

nedthelab
02-06-2007, 10:23 AM
After the six weeks winter break you can bet people will write paragraphs on the significance of a fork or spoon - or perhaps a sandwhich...

danterner
02-06-2007, 10:59 AM
After the six weeks winter break you can bet people will write paragraphs on the significance of a fork or spoon - or perhaps a sandwhich...

There is no spoon. (http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rl_cmp/new_phil_wakeup.html#34) ;)

danterner
03-06-2007, 08:13 AM
Okay - I'm spoilerizing all of this because it deals with a third-party source:

Syzygy (sort of) confirmed! On Feb 28, I edited my original post on this thread to include some new thoughts about the significance of the year 1962 and the number 9, as both tie into the concept of syzygy and are emphasized on Heroes. I then submitted a question about syzygy to the writers of Heroes via the weekly Q&A at Comic Book Resources (http://www.comicbookresources.net/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9879). They didn't respond to my question, but someone else asked the same thing. Here's the question and the reply it got:

"Q: In addition, a number of people wrote in with the same 1962 thoughts, but Brian Summer had all the details. "During the new moon and solar eclipse of February 4-5, 1962, an extremely rare grand conjunction of the classical planets occurred (it included all five of the naked-eye planets plus the Sun and Moon), all of them within 16° of one another on the ecliptic. At the precise moment of the new moon/solar eclipse, five celestial bodies (the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, and Jupiter) were clustered within 3° of each other, with the Earth in close conjunction with them. Taken in totality though, this grand conjunction included the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn, with the Earth also in alignment with the Sun and Moon at the exact moment of the new moon/solar eclipse (eight celestial bodies in total)." Wow, that's pretty crazy. So, is the eclipse referred to in the logo actually referencing this event, versus the event in the first episode? And will we ever travel back to February, 1962 in an upcoming episode?

A: First of all, Brian – we love you. Seriously. We love you. Take that for what you will. And, we did an episode six months in the past. Time is not an issue for this show. Take from that what you will, too."

So I guess I'm one of the "number of people that wrote in." Looks like Brian Summer and I found and quoted the exact same thing from wikipedia on the syzygy of 1962, too. I realize that the writers' response is not a direct confirmation and is intentionally vague, but from context I'm going to accept it as confirmation, especially given the writers' response to his follow-up question, which was about Peter's powers:

"A: Yes. And Brian, did we tell you how much we love you. You are paying close attention to all the clues. All of you Uluru theorists should listen to Brian. And Brian… if we find that you've put listening devices in our office, we will revoke our love."

Now, how an astronomical event can tie in to genetics/evolution is still beyond me. I'm curious to see how those two concepts are brought together in the Heroes universe.

classicX
03-06-2007, 08:28 AM
ERROR: POST TOO LONG

I can't read it, I think I'm allergic or something. Can someone summarize in three or four sentences?