S3 component video connection to Yamaha RX-V2400?

[gwsat]

I recently bought a TiVo Series3 DVR and decided to route its component video connection to my HDTV via my Yamaha RX-V2400 HT receiver. Alas, I can’t make it work.

Here are the component cable connections I have made:

S3 component out to Yamaha DTV Component in, which is labeled “[B]”

Yamaha component Monitor Out to HDTV

With this connection, the Yamaha’s on-screen displays show up on the TV screen but the S3's picture does not. For what it’s worth, the “CMPNT-V INPUT” [B] screen in the Yamaha’s setup menus says “CBL/SAT” on the top line opposite the “[B] and “(HDTV)” below that. I should add that the audio, which is connected via an optical cable, works just fine. What have I done wrong? I simply can’t figure it out.

I have liked how my Yamaha has performed over the years but it has to have the most brutally user-unfriendly interface in the history of consumer electronics. Thus, as matters stand, I have to use one of the two component in connections on my HDTV for the S3 and the other for the Yamaha’s on-screen displays – not good. Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

NOTE: I have started a similar thread in the Audio section at AVS Forum.

[gwsat]

Bump. (Hope springs eternal.) All I want is to hear from anybody who has successfully connected their S3 to their HDTV via the component connections on their Yamaha RX-V2400 or later model Yamaha HT receiver.

[montivette]

Don't have that receiver, I have a Yamaha RX-Z9 . TiVo and the PS3 hook into it via component and the receiver connects to the TV via component. Don't recall having to do anything special. Generally the receiver background appears on the TV only when you have selected the wrong input source, if you are in the receiver's setup menu, or when there is no incoming video signal from the device as the device is turned off or the receiver is on the wrong input source. So if the Series 3 is hooked to the CABLE component inputs but the receiver has DVD selected but the DVD is off, you would get the Yamaha Stereo Background screen on the TV.

Troubleshooting assuming you have selected the correct input:

1. You might hook up the TiVO right to the TV using a different component cable than the one you used to hook it to the receiver. If you get an image then the TiVo is not at fault. Then try with the other cable. If the image goes away perhaps the cable is the issue (however very unlikely to be a cable with no image, typically one of the cables may be bad resulting in bad color, but not all three connections.)

2. Hook up a DVD player to the receiver via component using the same cable as used on the TiVo and the same input on the receiver as the TiVo was hooked to. If you get an image then the receiver and the cable should be fine? If no image, try a different cable and test again, if still no image, then perhaps the issue is with the receiver?

3. Also try the other component in on the Receiver to see if you get a different result.

4. And of course check your resolutions to make sure the Receiver and the TiVo are set to a resolution your TV supports. My receiver allows for turning on/off the receiver's video processor and when on selecting a resolution to output. If yours is similar perhaps turn of the receiver's video processor and try it again.

Not sure if this is good or bad advice. But as with any problem by swapping variables and checking results you should be able to isolate what is causing the problem.

Best of luck

[montivette]

Just remembered something else which is unlikely but possible. I have done some dumb things trying to solve problems especially on little sleep only to realize I was an idiot for not checking something obvious.

Make sure the TV of course is set to the correct input especially if you have more than one connection running to the TV from the Receiver such as composite or an S-Video Cable. If you do, pull out the component out cable from the Receiver which runs to the TV. If you still have the Yamaha background on the TV your TV is getting a signal from another cable, hence this is why you never see the TiVo image on the TV.The receiver will take any video input and send it out component, but I do not believe it will send your Component video input out via it's S-video or composite video outputs so instead it would just show the background screen?

I only mention this as on my TV I change the names of all the inputs and on little sleep and with lots of cable swapping, sometimes I have lost track of what was hooked to what, and forget what input names were hooked to. IE had TV input set to DVD but could not get video from the DVD player. Then after 10 minutes over wondering why I remembered I had hooked the DVD to the receiver so the TV input needed to be hooked to the Receiver. Lack of sleep, wasn't thinking straight.

[ah30k]

Make sure your HDMI from your TiVo is not connected to the TV at the same time. Copy protection rules turn off component when HDMI is on.

[gwsat]

Thanks to all for your responses, I appreciated them. I have confirmed that both sets of the component cables I have connected to my TV will receive the S3’s transmissions. Both sets of cables will also display my Yamaha’s on screen display information. But when I have the Yamaha directly connected to the TV and then connect the S3’s component out port to either of the Yamaha’s component in ports, the S3’s transmissions never reach the TV, although I can see the Yamaha’s OSD information. Go figure.

[bilbo]

i can't say for sure your receiver (v2400) acts the same as mine (a v2500), but have you gone through the on-screen menu and made sure everything is set up right? i know that with the v2500 you can end up changing the video (i.e. component) inputs by going into the on-screen menu, so that they are different than what is actually labeled on the back of the physical yamaha receiver.

i'm sorry if you already know exactly how to hook everything up, and this is useless info. but i figure i might as well give you a suggestion, since i am at least slightly familiar with the yamaha interface (and it seems you're at an impasse). i do have my s3 hooked up via component video and digital audio optical into my yamaha receiver.

[gwsat]

Thanks for the advic. Component Input [A] on my Yamaha is labeled “DVD” on the receiver and is also set as DVD in the I/O Assignment menu. Input [B] is labeled “DTV” on the box and on the I/O menu. I have set input [B] for both DTV and “CBL/SAT” but the receiver can’t see the S3’s transmissions when set to either the “DTV” or “CBL/SAT” inputs marked on the display screen. As indicated earlier, my TV also can’t see the S3 when I use Component Input [A].

I also tried to connect my DVD to the Yamaha, also via component cables, and it wouldn’t work either. I bought a brand new 6 foot component cable on Wednesday to connect the S3 to the Yamaha. In an excess of caution, I connected another HDTV and HD DVR with the new cable and it worked perfectly. Thus, the problem seems to definitely lie with the Yamaha, although its other functions appear to be working well. I still believe that it’s probably a configuration problem, but I can’t think of anything else to do to solve it.

[andyf]

My Yamaha has a seperate video out for the On-Screen display. Is there another video output maybe?

[bilbo]

my yamaha (rx-v2500) has three component inputs -- labeled (A) DVD, (B) DTV, and (C) CBL/SAT on the back of the physical receiver. it has one monitor output. i am assuming your monitor output is fine since you have an on-screen display.

i connected my tivo series 3 to the (C) CBL/SAT inputs of the yamaha rx-v2500 from the on-screen menu, i go to Input Select -> CBL/SAT -> I/O Assignment:
Optical Output - NONE, Optical Input - (6) CBL/SAT, Coaxial Input - NONE, Component Video - (C) CBL/SAT.

Hope that helps you out some.

[musictoo]

I also tried to connect my DVD to the Yamaha, also via component cables, and it wouldn’t work either. I bought a brand new 6 foot component cable on Wednesday to connect the S3 to the Yamaha. In an excess of caution, I connected another HDTV and HD DVR with the new cable and it worked perfectly. Thus, the problem seems to definitely lie with the Yamaha, although its other functions appear to be working well. I still believe that it’s probably a configuration problem, but I can’t think of anything else to do to solve it.

So the DVD will not display either? Have you tried using all the different inputs? Possible problem with the receiver? I set up a Denon 1907 the other day and had problems out of the box with video switching.

[ashu]

I have a Yamaha HTR 5790 receiver (the home versions of the RX receivers are HTRs) and it switches Component inputs (albeit I've never tried the S3) flawlessly. I will agree that the I/P assignment UI on the Yamaha receivers SUCKS.

I would suggest you doubletriple check your manual and the settings - what bilbo says sounds right for mine too.

Oh, and I hope you don't have component (resolution) upconversion or something turned on on that Yammie ... for temporary testing, set it to pass through whatever it gets on its component inputs!

[bilbo]

gwsat,

my Yamaha instructions booklet shows using the DTV component plugs from the receiver as an output to a DVD recorder. it is listed under the hook-ups as going to the input of the DVD recorder or a VHS VCR (which you could alternately use the S-Video or composite VHS out hookups on the receiver). It shows the DVD recorder or VHS VCR output going to VHS input on the receiver.

I don't have a DVD player hooked to my Yamaha receiver via component (I am using S-Video -- all that my old DVD player has). I have to have upconvert turned on to get the DVD picture to pass through my Yamaha receiver because I am using the component Monitor Output from the receiver to go to my HDTV.

[gwsat]

Thanks to all for your good advice. I FINALLY got the video from the S3 to work and then decided it wasn’t worth the trouble. The PQ of HD transmissions is slightly degraded when the Yamaha is used in the component chain. I had noticed that when I first got the receiver three years ago and decided at that time that the improved HD PQ provided by directly connecting the DVR to the TV was more valuable to me than was OSD for the audio functions.

Others have had no PQ problems with Yamaha receivers but this is the second time I’ve been able to tell a difference, so, sayonara audio OSD.

The video connection problem this time was that, for whatever reason, the Yamaha couldn’t find the S3’s video without a cold reboot of the receiver after the connection was made. This time I rebooted the Yamaha after hooking up the Yamaha between the S3 and my TV. Voila! It worked – finally. It WASN’T necessary to reboot the S3. By the way, I took the suggestions that several of you had made, used the [B] DTV Component In connection on the receiver and set it for CBL/SAT.

Even when I got the S3’s video connected to the Yamaha, the only way I could get the OSD to work was to press the “ON SCREEN” selector button until the OSD came up and the TV picture disappeared. I was never able to get the OSD to superimpose itself over the TV picture. Can somebody explain that?

Anyway, thanks again. I have learned a lot from this exercise.