When is 8.1 coming out?

[Barb]

I bought two of the Tivo Wireless G adapters so I could connect both my Series 2 and my Series 3 to my wireless networking, which is secured using WPA. My Series 2 with the 8.1 software was a snap to connect. My Series 3, with the 8.0.1b software would not connect, which I knew ahead of time, but gave it a try anyway. I need the 8.1 software for my Series 3, but it is not out yet.

Any ideas when it will be out?

Thanks, Barb

[DTap]

Ah, the $64,000 question, for so many reasons than just WPA support:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=324647

[HiDefGator]

I'm sure there is a good answer to this question but couldn't you just not use WPA for a while? I mean it is your wireless network. Unless you have a pretty serious hacker living net door wouldn't a lesser encryption method be almost as good.

[moyekj]

Just amazes me how seemingly so many people think the only way to go Tivo S3 wireless + WPA is via the USB adapter when there is a perfectly good ethernet port already which can connect to countless other wireless + WPA solutions.

[Barb]

I am actually using the phone line on my S3 for now. I know there are other solutions, but last time I checked, they were a bit pricier and a little more bulky -- the Tivo adapter is small and "clean."

[craigo]

I am actually using the phone line on my S3 for now. I know there are other solutions, but last time I checked, they were a bit pricier and a little more bulky -- the Tivo adapter is small and "clean."

All I did was change my router to WEP and it works flawlessly.

[megazone]

TiVo had said we'd see a release 'later this year', but we're in December with the holidays looming. Maybe it'll pop around CES next month?

[GoHokies!]

TiVo had said we'd see a release 'later this year', but we're in December with the holidays looming. Maybe it'll pop around CES next month?

I'd much rather see that happen and get a more bug free product, unlike the 7.3/7.3.1 fiasco.

Hopefully Tivo will feel the same way - I would think so after all the commentary here a few months ago on that subject.

[megazone]

Yeah, don't rush the release. I'd rather have a solid product than a rush-job.

[hookbill]

Since nobody else said it, I will: When it's ready.

[missiontortilla]

Nope. It will be released in 2-3 weeks. Of course in 2-3 weeks, it will be released 2-3 weeks from that date. Therefore it will always be released in 2-3 weeks, but never will actually be released! (Based on data collected from numerous CSR's over a 6 week period).

[cwoody222]

I just want my Recently Deleted folder back! Is that so much to ask? :(

[Dajad]

Funny cwoody, that's what I want too. Yes, I also want PC-TiVo functionality as soon as I can, but I'd be happy in the mid-term just if I could undelete! I've already deleted a few shows by accident! Argh.

But, I suspect the recent TiVo hack/crack (http://daledietrich.com/imedia/2006/12/08/tivo-decode-manager-v10-automates-tivos-cracked-drm-on-macs/) will delay our S3 updates. No doubt TiVo engineers are scrambling to shut this down as quickly as possible.

...Dale

[HDTiVo]

But, I suspect the recent TiVo hack/crack (http://daledietrich.com/imedia/2006/12/08/tivo-decode-manager-v10-automates-tivos-cracked-drm-on-macs/) will delay our S3 updates. No doubt TiVo engineers are scrambling to shut this down as quickly as possible.

...Dale
I don't see that. I see it as merely duplicating on the Mac functionality that already exists on the PC and thus no real change; however, perception...

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4655596&&#post4655596

[missiontortilla]

Before adding all these new wonderful features, I would like it if I could actually watch NBC without it spontaneously rebooting! Is that really too much to ask?

[slimoli]

and I would love to get audio on my 3 MPEG only channels...

[FlippedBit]

... and I would like to fix the audio dropout + video pixelation problem ...

[PPC1]

. . . and the partial recording issue. . .

[hookbill]

Before adding all these new wonderful features, I would like it if I could actually watch NBC without it spontaneously rebooting! Is that really too much to ask?

Don't have that problem.

. . . and the partial recording issue. . .

Don't have that issue.

... and I would like to fix the audio dropout + video pixelation problem ...

Also not a problem. I'm sure everyone who mentions this is experiencing these problems and the indeed do exist for some individuals, but my question is and always has been how come only some of us experience these problems while the majority of us don't? And how in the heck is TiVo going to fix something that doesn't need fixing for most of us?

[BigFrank]

Don't have that problem.



Don't have that issue.



Also not a problem. I'm sure everyone who mentions this is experiencing these problems and the indeed do exist for some individuals, but my question is and always has been how come only some of us experience these problems while the majority of us don't? And how in the heck is TiVo going to fix something that doesn't need fixing for most of us?


Perhaps it has to do with how much television you actually watch? Perhaps you don't watch as much TiVo, or you aren't watching the same program set that people who are experiencing these issues are.

Or maybe it has to do with how much or how little mpeg compression your provider uses on their programming?

Or a million other variables which might explain why *you* dont have as many issues as some other people.

[Maeglin]

Also not a problem. I'm sure everyone who mentions this is experiencing these problems and the indeed do exist for some individuals, but my question is and always has been how come only some of us experience these problems while the majority of us don't? And how in the heck is TiVo going to fix something that doesn't need fixing for most of us?
As far as video pixelation goes, I'm only personally seeing it only with a couple of HD channels, even with the signal boosted just shy of it being too hot. Two of the locals are crap, and I can record cleanly from HBO HD, but not Showtime HD (though it is improved a little bit with the amp in place). I wouldn't call it Tivo's problem to fix, but you know how that will go...

Me (to Comcast) - Fix the problems with your HD channels!
Comcast - It's a Tivo problem!
Me - Really? So why are only a couple of channels affected?
Comcast - It's a Tivo problem!

Myself, I'm waiting mainly on the features that should be included.

[hookbill]

Perhaps it has to do with how much television you actually watch? Perhaps you don't watch as much TiVo, or you aren't watching the same program set that people who are experiencing these issues are.

Or maybe it has to do with how much or how little mpeg compression your provider uses on their programming?

Or a million other variables which might explain why *you* dont have as many issues as some other people.


I watch usually 3-4 hours each night and during prime time when everything is first run I record about 4-8 hours a night and 90% of that is HD. I think we can safely rule out option 1. :)

Your other reasons however could be very valid. But again I must point out that the majority of people do not have these issues at all.

[FlippedBit]

How in the heck is TiVo going to fix something that doesn't need fixing for most of us?

I'm glad you are not a TiVo Engineer. Let me explain it to you. As reported by SCSIRAID, TiVo has found that the dropouts are an MPEG stream decoding issue. The reason everybody is not seeing this is because not all cable providers use an MPEG encoding that triggers the problem. TiVo is providing a fix for this problem in 8.1. Lets hope the fix covers all of the dropout causing idiosyncrasies.


http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=316896&page=9&pp=30

So even though you couldn't see how the problem could be fixed, TiVo engineers seem to have applied standard problem solving methods to come up with a possible solution.

[brianld]

... and I would like to fix the audio dropout + video pixelation problem ...

I'll second that one, and add my request for Tivo to also fix the mysterious incomplete recording issue that I seem to be having randomly.


By the way, has Tivo acknowledged (directly or indirectly) that they are aware there are in fact issues with S3s (and that they are working on a fix)?

[IzzyB68]

What is strange is that Audio drop outs and pixelation could very well be a cable issue. I don't have an S3 yet (coming on Thursday), but I get these issues all the time with my HD channels. It is only certain channels that causes issues and it doesn't happen all the time. When I switch to the non-HD channel I am fine.

[hookbill]

I'm glad you are not a TiVo Engineer.


Man, that makes two of us. Because I surely don't have anything but common sense and obviously this cannot be applied in dealing with issues concerning TiVo. :)

[PPC1]

I'll second that one, and add my request for Tivo to also fix the mysterious incomplete recording issue that I seem to be having randomly.


Well, Hookbill doesn't have that issue, so it must not really be an issue that needs to be fixed.

[TAsunder]

Speaking of showtime HD, could it be a cable provider issue that causes me to see macrovision protection-like brightness wavering? if you've ever recorded from one vcr to another, you'll know what I mean. It's a steady brightness up, brightness down, brightness up, brightness down on that channel.

[slimoli]

Speaking of showtime HD, could it be a cable provider issue that causes me to see macrovision protection-like brightness wavering? if you've ever recorded from one vcr to another, you'll know what I mean. It's a steady brightness up, brightness down, brightness up, brightness down on that channel.

SHO HD own productions , like Dexter and Sleeper Cell, always had this "brightness up and down" which can be very annoying. I don't see this watching movies .

Sergio

[hookbill]

Well, Hookbill doesn't have that issue, so it must not really be an issue that needs to be fixed.

Wait a second. Let's be fair. I acknowledge that your issues are real. I'm not saying your imagining it. I simply said I had a tough time understanding why the majority of people don't have the issue and how TiVo fixes things that happen to some people, not everyone. It isn't right to attack me for saying something I did not say.

[Spiff72]

SHO HD own productions , like Dexter and Sleeper Cell, always had this "brightness up and down" which can be very annoying. I don't see this watching movies .

Sergio

I am glad someone else has been seeing this. I find it very distracting on "Dexter"! Is this Tivo specific or a general showtime thing?

[Spiff72]

I am hoping that 8.1 fixes my recurring issue where recordings on certain channels fail because "signal was unavailable on Cable In". This one drives me crazy. :mad:

[slimoli]

I am glad someone else has been seeing this. I find it very distracting on "Dexter"! Is this Tivo specific or a general showtime thing?


It's not Tivo. I see the same problem with the SA8300 cablebox and with the cablecard on my Mitsubishi TV.

[SCSIRAID]

Wait a second. Let's be fair. I acknowledge that your issues are real. I'm not saying your imagining it. I simply said I had a tough time understanding why the majority of people don't have the issue and how TiVo fixes things that happen to some people, not everyone. It isn't right to attack me for saying something I did not say.

Most Toyota V6 owners havent had any issues with oil gelling either...... but those that did sure had their engines lose lubrication and sieze. Toyota admits the problem and made the appropriate changes and now warrants the effected engines.

There are so many variables with so many different cableco's and tv stations that not everybody may see the same issues... Some are fortunate and have no issues. I have had no problems with channel loss or fast forward/rewind and have only had three partial recordings but I have had the audio dropout with pixelation problem bigtime!! :)

Solving these kinds of issues is difficult. On my prevalent problem, I have had three phone calls from Tivo asking for information trying to sort it out.

[doctord]

I am hoping that 8.1 fixes my recurring issue where recordings on certain channels fail because "signal was unavailable on Cable In". This one drives me crazy. :mad:
Spiff,

I had that problem only on Tuner 2 and it was related to my OTA antenna signal being too strong. It only effects certain cable channels. My problem channels are at the 717mhz frequency. I think that's about the highest frequency my cable goes to. Even after I turned down the gain on my OTA antenna, the signal strength on those same channels goes down when I hook up the antenna. Strange. :confused:

[magnani]

Wait a second. Let's be fair. I acknowledge that your issues are real. I'm not saying your imagining it. I simply said I had a tough time understanding why the majority of people don't have the issue and how TiVo fixes things that happen to some people, not everyone. It isn't right to attack me for saying something I did not say.

Nevertheless, the "self righteous 2 cents" you feel compelled to interject is extremely annoying and not helpful. Just because you are nauseatingly effusive about the S3
doesn't mean other people's problems should be discounted because you don't have them.

[jslaprarie]

I'd like to second that issue about the incomplete recordings. I've had that a couple of times where I'm watching a show and all of a sudden I'm at the end of the recording and there's still 25-30 minutes left.

I'm still recording some of the shows on my series 1 and series 2 boxes so I most always have a fallback. It's a bummer when you're watching your favorite show in beautiful HD and then you have to finish the show in SD.

[missiontortilla]

I just called TiVo again to ask when 8.1 is coming out. I find it amusing the range of answers that I get. This time the agent responded that 8.1 will come out for the S3 when they finish rolling it out for the S2. Usually the response is 2-3 weeks. I did get a next week from a representative about 5 weeks ago.

[SCSIRAID]

I just called TiVo again to ask when 8.1 is coming out. I find it amusing the range of answers that I get. This time the agent responded that 8.1 will come out for the S3 when they finish rolling it out for the S2. Usually the response is 2-3 weeks. I did get a next week from a representative about 5 weeks ago.

I think we need a 'pool' to guess the date it actually releases..... :)

My pick has been 12/15. If it doesnt get out close to that then I fear it will be January. I cant imagine them doing a rollout of new code over the holidays. Folks are gonna start disappearing mid next week. However... they could throw the grenade and run.....

[hookbill]

Nevertheless, the "self righteous 2 cents" you feel compelled to interject is extremely annoying and not helpful. Just because you are nauseatingly effusive about the S3
doesn't mean other people's problems should be discounted because you don't have them.

First welcome to the forum. And again I did not say anybody's problem should be discounted. If you read that the it's because your the kind of person who likes to come into a forum and start flaming people. Once again I said I didn't understand how the problems could be fixed. Nothing more, nothing less. If anything I'm admitting my lack of knowledge to understand the situation

If I were you I'd be a bit more careful comeing into a crowd you don't know and making attacking statements. And if you find my enthusiasim about my S3 "nauseating" then ignore me.

[PPC1]

Wait a second. Let's be fair. I acknowledge that your issues are real. I'm not saying your imagining it. I simply said I had a tough time understanding why the majority of people don't have the issue and how TiVo fixes things that happen to some people, not everyone. It isn't right to attack me for saying something I did not say.


Sure, let's be fair. You did not explicitly state that the issue was imaginary. However, your various posts (on this thread as well as others) do lend themselves to being interpreted as suggesting this. Your posts suggest to the reader that those reporting this problem are not entirely credible. Now, you may not have intended to convey this message, but given the response of at least one other person within this thread, I don't think attributing such an interpretation was unreasonable.

All of that being, said, I did not mean my post to be a rhetorical body slam-- just a bit of a ribbing. So yes, my prior post was a bit unfair. So, I appologize that my post was overly harsh.

[hookbill]

Sure, let's be fair. You did not explicitly state that the issue was imaginary. However, your various posts (on this thread as well as others) do lend themselves to being interpreted as suggesting this. Your posts suggest to the reader that those reporting this problem are not entirely credible. Now, you may not have intended to convey this message, but given the response of at least one other person within this thread, I don't think attributing such an interpretation was unreasonable.

All of that being, said, I did not mean my post to be a rhetorical body slam-- just a bit of a ribbing. So yes, my prior post was a bit unfair. So, I appologize that my post was overly harsh.


Ok that's fine, but from the post that started this little squirmish I ended that post by saying the following: "I'm sure everyone who mentions this is experiencing these problems and they indeed do exist for some individuals, but my question is and always has been how come only some of us experience these problems while the majority of us don't? And how in the heck is TiVo going to fix something that doesn't need fixing for most of us?"

I admit that early on I may have been a bit of a Doubting Thomas. But certainly not anymore.

I just want to be clear that in no way do I not believe these problems do not exist. There are just too many post indidcating various problems for them not to be real.

And thank you for your response, an apology really wasn't necessary.

[andrewbytes]

ok - I'm a newbie - here's my current bug notice - and it's not so bad.

I have a Pioneer DVD Tivo and an HD3 in the same room. After setting the HD3 to Remote 2, and the Pioneer as Remote 1 (the remote for the Pioneer doesn't acknowledge that 2 Tivo's exist...) the Pioneer confuses the HD3's remote because the "Live TV" and "Guide" buttons are combined on the Pioneer. So use the Pioneer, and the HD3 thinks the Live TV button is the Guide button when you go back to using the HD3. Also - I noticed that "Basic" quality is the same as "Medium" quality on the Pioneer - which isn't a bug, but a (NEAT) observance.

Also - I'm foaming @ the mouth waiting to transfer programs from one Tivo to the other. This will come out when?!?!? Why can I download to my PC, but not to another Tivo? Weird that they allow one not the other.

So - what happens to audio when Basic quality is used?

FYI - Pioneer = 300gb, HD3 = 500gb storage for all curious...

Also is there Series 3 specific hacks? Saturday I get the cable cards to drive this beastie...

[FlippedBit]

ok - I'm a newbie - here's my current bug notice - and it's not so bad.




Your questions don't really belong in this thread. You would get better feedback if you posted in one of the Bug list threads.

[andrewbytes]

Your questions don't really belong in this thread. You would get better feedback if you posted in one of the Bug list threads.

No problem. It's on it's way.