Heroes "Homecoming" OAD 11/20/06 - *spoilers*

[TonyD79]

Somehow I didn't even see any high school name in there. So I'll retract that point. My bad. I'm actually relieved a bit to realize the writing wasn't as full of holes as it appeared.

No problem.




Except it wasn't exactly in a museum, was it? I thought it was in a private collection. The collections of a rich and powerful guy. I'd have to assume he wouldn't get anywhere near the thing.

You may assume that, but it doesn't mean Peter's brother assumes that. One, he thinks Peter is taking this hero thing too seriously (gee, you think a guy who says he has to save the world isn't going to try to see the painting...and maybe get killed doing it?) and two, he may just ask to see it and he'd see it. There is no reason to assume that the rich and powerful guy wouldn't let him just look at it. The guy did turn it over, so why wouldn't he let someone just look at it.

Sorry, you are making holes that aren't there.



You don't have to be condescending just because I didn't see a particular detail. Telling me I was wrong about that point would suffice.


Actually, that was a joke. Sorry that it wasn't clear.



He was captured incredibly easily. It was quite a letdown.

Maybe. If this were a single hour movie or if the story were over. Let's wait and see.




They struggled for 1/2 a second and fell off the ledge. Not exactly a display of superpowers.


Hmm, do I have to trot out my explanation that all of these people are just learning their powers? Did you see the difference in future-Hiro versus the current one? It would be horrible writing if these folks were perfect in their use of their powers while they are still discovering them. Isn't bad writing the basis of your post?



No...his brother lost control, then they fell, and then Peter flew before they hit ground. Unless Peter's act of flight was to accelerate at super speed straight into a wall, the hospitalization doesn't make sense. And if that IS what happened, it should have been made more clear, because "you flew before you hit ground" sounds pretty much similar to "your parachute opened before you hit ground". It doesn't exactly draw a picture of hospitalization-requiring injuries.

And the Wright Brothers flew for about 120 feet. And then gravity won. Who said he flew well? Even his brother who we assume is better at flying had a pretty hard landing in Vegas and he was trying to land.





a) Where did the boner part come from...don't recall hearing that.

b) When I was in high school, I remember hearing lots of rumors going around about the unpopular kids. In particular, one kid got the nickname "boner" because he popped a boner in the locker room. The thing is, I was there when it supposedly happened.......and it didn't happen. This kid was taunted for 4 years with that nickname, and it never happened.

c)even if it did happen....your name is Tony and you appear to be a guy from your photo. You should be well aware that sometimes that thing can act up an inappropriate times

d) Well, in the absence of him admitting he's gay, and in the absence of incriminating photos of him engaging in HRA, what kind of details should one use to make a decision?

I don't know and I don't care. Too bad about that kid you knew. That was pretty mean.

The boner thing came up (unintentional pun) earlier in the series. I can see you are missing details on this show and that is not a big deal but then ranting about them when you missed them is.

:)

[unicorngoddess]

No...his brother lost control, then they fell, and then Peter flew before they hit ground. Unless Peter's act of flight was to accelerate at super speed straight into a wall, the hospitalization doesn't make sense. And if that IS what happened, it should have been made more clear, because "you flew before you hit ground" sounds pretty much similar to "your parachute opened before you hit ground". It doesn't exactly draw a picture of hospitalization-requiring injuries.


Well, Nathan told Peter he fell and hit the fire escape...so that could be what caused enough injury to send him to the hospital (he was only in there for like a day anyway) So it could be that after he hit the fire escape he started falling again and then he flew. And Nathan wasn't injured at all, so he flew until he landed safely.

[LordKronos]

Well, Nathan told Peter he fell and hit the fire escape...so that could be what caused enough injury to send him to the hospital

I thought that was the made up story for everyone else that can't know the truth about flying

[Fool Me Twice]

It has? We saw blood dripping in a second, then a cut to a waitress screaming. No idea how much time inbetween those two shots. Besides, THAT took you out of the scene? Do you always do everything at the same speed? Since he cuts off the top of their heads with this finger, it is not like it is a quantum blast or anything.I know that Claire was dispatched with a wave of his arm, and the waitress was dispatched silently (maybe her crown wasn't lopped of instantly, but if not, she was awfully still and quiet for a living person being sawn on). He's been shown to be tremendously powerfull, and yet he struggled with Jackie so much that he actually had to put his hand over her mouth to stop her from screaming. This cheat was done to allow Claire time to heal herself and for Peter to reach her in time. It was not consistant with what we know about his character.

[teknikel]

If that were the case, Ando would have saved Claire. :)
You're not being serious, right?

[stellie93]

So if Nathan was that concerned with Peter not seeing the picture, he must have believed in the prophetic power of Isaac. He really believed that Peter would end up dead if he went there. But I guess he doesn't believe that it would save the world. Winning his election won't do him much good if the world is destroyed, but he's not trying to save it.

Or he's a bad guy trying to destroy the world for whatever reason. :confused:

[dylking]

One thing I picked up (but maybe I'm slow) is that Mohinder's copy of his dad's book had a very interesting logo on the cover.

Have we seen that particular book cover before, and I just missed it?

[Figaro]

This show is finally starting to get better. It would be a lot better if they just killed Allie Larter and Mohinder. Man are they a snooze fest.

Claire is not fat, not right now that is. She looks like she will be the Queen of Queens when she gets older.

[Mr. Soze]

Heroes is one of the shows we let pile up on the Tivo, and then do marathons.
We watched them all in two batches, but then did this one solo, because we wanted to see what happened with STCSTW.
I agree with the comments about this show leaving you wanting more or being too short,
so I think that's what we're going to do marathons again, and this seems to be a good point to do it.

And while I like pixie girl, Jessica is the hawt one for me.

[Mr. Soze]

Claire is not fat, not right now that is. She looks like she will be the Queen of Queens when she gets older.I would take my chances on that.

[JYoung]

I know that Claire was dispatched with a wave of his arm, and the waitress was dispatched silently (maybe her crown wasn't lopped of instantly, but if not, she was awfully still and quiet for a living person being sawn on). He's been shown to be tremendously powerfull, and yet he struggled with Jackie so much that he actually had to put his hand over her mouth to stop her from screaming. This cheat was done to allow Claire time to heal herself and for Peter to reach her in time. It was not consistant with what we know about his character.


Perhaps Sylar only has X amount of TK energy available to him and needed a moment or two to "recharge".

[getreal]

I thought that when the waitress (Charlie) was opened up like a can in a can-opener, that it was so quick because Sylar was able to freeze time and then cut her head open and extract her brain before returning time to its normal speed, so it would appear instantaneous and silent to us because we were also frozen in time while he de-brained her. Know what I mean?

So even though he was working on the cheerleader in "real time", it doesn't mean that he couldn't have frozen time to do the waitress.

[busyba]

One thing I picked up (but maybe I'm slow) is that Mohinder's copy of his dad's book had a very interesting logo on the cover.

Have we seen that particular book cover before, and I just missed it?
Yes. Several times.

[marksman]

In school we used to use the "Fingernail" test. Ask someone to look at their fingernails. If they look at them by flipping their hand and bending their fingers down, they are straight. If they keep their palm down and extend their fingers...gay.

Of course, we were kids!

That is weird. Are you sure you weren't all gay, because that seems 180 degrees wrong. :eek:

[choccy]

There's so many things wrong with your statement. I watch TV with my eyes open, you?

Not all the time, no. I often watch TV in bed, for instance. You don't need to *see* everything to *watch* a show.

Not all commercials and station breaks are the same length, nor can you know their length if you watch enough varied TV.

Err, yeah, they pretty much are all rounded to a minute. Doesn't matter if it's 2, 3 or 4, it's always a minute or a couple of seconds each way. If I go over I just 8 second skip back. At worst I'll see a couple of seconds of show early, or the last couple of seconds of the commercials, but I won't see the commercials.

There's no such thing as a good commercials, IMHO. A commercials it still is.[/QUOTE]

[choccy]

Yeah, all the gore. Man, you must be desensitized if you're not seeing it.

I've yet to see a skull cap removed, but I've seen pretty much the rest of it in real life. Perhaps I am desensitized. However, this show is rated 14 and comes on at 9pm. If the 'gore' is too much for you, perhaps you should watch something else instead.

[MickeS]

The only gore I remember was the first of Sylar's murders we were shown, and Claire's autopsy... what else was there?

[balboa dave]

Not all the time, no. I often watch TV in bed, for instance. You don't need to *see* everything to *watch* a show.That explains why you don't think this show has much gore.
Err, yeah, they pretty much are all rounded to a minute. Doesn't matter if it's 2, 3 or 4, it's always a minute or a couple of seconds each way. If I go over I just 8 second skip back. At worst I'll see a couple of seconds of show early, or the last couple of seconds of the commercials, but I won't see the commercials.Maybe that works for you, but I don't have the remote glued to my hand, and my butt's not glued to my couch, so it's not possible to skip exactly when the commercials start. And sports programs have commercials of all lengths, even interrupt commercials some times. The 30 second skip just isn't practical.
There's no such thing as a good commercials, IMHO. A commercials it still is.Oooh, a closed-minded attitude. You're one of those.

[choccy]

That explains why you don't think this show has much gore.

No, because this is one of very few shows I actually sit and watch undistracted.

Oooh, a closed-minded attitude. You're one of those.

Geez, way to get worked up over a DVR :rolleyes:

[balboa dave]

Geez, way to get worked up over a DVR :rolleyes:My statement (Oooh, a closed-minded attitude. You're one of those.) has nothing to do with a DVR, but don't let that ruin your chance to use a :rolleyes:. It sure beats responding with intelligence.

[choccy]

My statement (Oooh, a closed-minded attitude. You're one of those.) has nothing to do with a DVR, but don't let that ruin your chance to use a :rolleyes:. It sure beats responding with intelligence.

I fear any such use would simply be wasted.

[balboa dave]

I fear any such use would simply be wasted.OK. Thanks for verifying my closed minded theory.

[scheckeNYK]

I have a feeling that Peter is not simply a Mimic, but rather he saps the power of others. Think about it, when Nathan grabbed him they tumbled to the ground because maybe the power to fly wasn't strong enough between the two of them. Then Sylar, who has shown to be perhaps the most powerful character, was virtually helpless in the presence of Peter. If Peter is more like a proximity version of X-Men's Rogue then that would explain a few things better than him just being a mimic.

[PeternJim]

I was working under the theory that Peter did diminish the powers of the people he mimicked, but I need to rewatch this episode to see if the timeline of his interactions with Claire fits that.

I buy the sapping with regards what we have seen of his interactions with Isaac (didn't try to paint around Peter), Nathan (lost control of his flying), Hiro (blue effect, and "just being here is risking a rift"), and Sylar (the whole delay with the head-lopping, and the general non-badassness). Each of those has its own possible other explanations.

But as I remember it, he met Claire in the hall by the trophies, and therefore had plenty of time to soak up her powers. But when Sylar whacked her into the wall, she healed pretty darn well, so Peter had not stolen her powers. Then Peter ran into her again when she ran out, and HE got trashed, and he healed pretty darn well, both with her there and then (the leg) after she left.

They were never both healing at the same time, so maybe he doesn't "sap" until he is actually using the power - and time and distance may affect that. He doesn't appear to "sap" in the same way that X-Men's Rogue does, completely taking away their power for a time, if sapping is what he is doing. But he may be setting up a channel so that when he does use someone else's power, it is shared between them, limiting both so that the other person doesn't have access to whatever Peter is using. (That may be part of why Sylar seemed a bit lame -- Peter may have been "pushing back.")

And, it has not been established whether Peter can do with with more than one power at a time, has it?

Someone mentioned that Peter had met Eden. I don't remember that. When did that happen?

[Bob Coxner]

Yup, I, unlike a poster above, am hoping for a long arrest so he can read the mind reader's thoughts and then realize that nuclear man is going to blow up real good.

Wow! I haven't heard a shoutout to Billy Sol Hurok and Big Jim Bob in twenty years. The full quote is "get blow'd up reeeal good".

[smickola]

If Peter can "sap" the powers from the people he's in proximity with, maybe that's why the fight with Sylar was so minimal? And why Sylar was able to be captured so easily by Eden?

[Boot]

If Peter can "sap" the powers from the people he's in proximity with, maybe that's why the fight with Sylar was so minimal? And why Sylar was able to be captured so easily by Eden?Maybe that's not really Sylar. It's possible that Sylar knew the plot would be foiled, so he sent someone in his place.

[Boot]

So I guess the "Save the Cheerleader..." slogan is dead now?
"Save the Waitress, Save the World."

[PeternJim]

Well, they won't, but they certainly COULD work it so that Hiro does something in the past that saves Charlie the waitress and causes something to change so that Claire dies, and then having to fix it again.

Meanwhile though, "Save the Cheerleader. Save the World." isn't dead, because they've only done half of it. The big boom still has yet to be diverted.

Anyone think that in the six months ago past, Hiro will meet Isaac and get that pesky comic book produced?

[Hunter Green]

No one has mentioned the list that Mohinder's dad had. Come on folks, that was a Tivo moment.
The were also a a lot more on the list that we did not see.
One of them is in Marshfield, VT, not far from where I live! Monday I'm going to go to the town clerk's office. :)

That is weird. Are you sure you weren't all gay, because that seems 180 degrees wrong. :eek:
I thought so too.

[balboa dave]

If Peter can "sap" the powers from the people he's in proximity with, maybe that's why the fight with Sylar was so minimal? And why Sylar was able to be captured so easily by Eden?Throwing Sylar off the edge was the only way he had of fighting him. The fight was minimal because he did not plan on surviving. Peter didn't even know he had the healing powers.

As to why Sylar was captured so easily, that has me a little confused too. Not because he was easily overcome by the powers of Eve and the Haitian, but, how did they know where to wait for him? Somehow, I think Sylar is more connected to Mr. Bennet than we've been led to believe. In spite of what he's done to protect his adopted daughter Claire, Bennet could still be the one behind the attacks.

[PeternJim]

Maybe teenagers have changed a whole lot since I was one, but seriously, is there a straight boy on the planet, who, when asked by the hot cheerleader he has been following around, who has trusted her with her deepest secret, and who is her "best friend" if the comment that he was gay is accurate, would answer "I'm happy with who I am?"

From my personal experience, what he said was exactly the sort of evasive non-answer that most gay people give before they are ready to come out publicly. If you expect all gay people to answer "yes" whenever asked, you may not have enough experience with actual gay people.

I'll agree with the gaydar folks who say that they didn't read the actor as particularly gay, nor his earlier performance. But he hasn't had much screen time, and again, in my experience, most gay men don't really start to ping the gaydar until they are sexually active -- though some certainly do. He's still young, even for Hollywood.

Not to mention the high likelihood that the ACTOR is straight, playing a gay character. Unless he was playing a stereotype, the gaydar would just lie there.

That scene in the bedroom though. He is in the bedroom of a cheerleader who owes him a favor (getting her elected Homecoming Queen) and just asked him to attend the dance with her. That is not a time for a straight boy to waffle on the question. Straight boys just don't. All straight boys and a high percentage of gay ones would have denied being gay. That was a flat-out coming out, and very well written.

[unicorngoddess]

But as I remember it, he met Claire in the hall by the trophies, and therefore had plenty of time to soak up her powers. But when Sylar whacked her into the wall, she healed pretty darn well, so Peter had not stolen her powers. Then Peter ran into her again when she ran out, and HE got trashed, and he healed pretty darn well, both with her there and then (the leg) after she left.


And Peter was at least standing close enough to her to see her heal. I don't know how close he would need to be to get the powers, but I don't think he stole her power because she still had the abillity to heal up right in front of Peter.

[Rob Helmerichs]

There's an interesting spoiler on the 'net today. It tells us which major question will be answered next week, but doesn't give the answer.

If you want to know the question: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=328396

[ccooperev]

Peter has so far intersected with Claire, Isaac Mendez, Hiro Nakamura, Nathan Petrelli (of course)... has he intersected with anyone else?


So, here's a question, does Peter have to be in proximity of the person with powers to use them or just only have encountered them? E.G., could he fly while not near his brother?

If he can then he could conceivably amass all the powers of the others to himself. :cool:

[ccooperev]

As for Peter, he may stay in custody for a while, but they don't have much of a case. Even though he's covered in blood, it's all his, or Claire's. He never had any contact with the dead girl (Jackie?). The only way he could have any of her blood on him would be if it splattered Claire and then transferred to him, and that shouldn't be much, if any.


Ah, Sylar had Jackie's blood on him and Peter wrestled Sylar over the ledge. I think some of the blood on Peter would be traced back to Jackie. Unfortunately, unless Claire or somebody does something, Peter will face the needle.

[Zevida]

So, here's a question, does Peter have to be in proximity of the person with powers to use them or just only have encountered them? E.G., could he fly while not near his brother?

If he can then he could conceivably amass all the powers of the others to himself. :cool:

Peter "flew" (his foot floated) one morning when he was getting out of bed. Presumably he had seen Nathan the day before. Peter also drew a picture of the future while in the hospital, he had seen Isaac the day before. Peter retains teh powers for a time, but it is unclear how long and if they weaken over time before disappearing completely.

[ccooperev]

Hmm.. those two comments got me thinking. If Pete were standing too close to radioactive guy, then we're have 2 radioactive guys in close proximity. I think we should keep them two of them from getting into the same elevator.

Maybe that's what sparks the explosion in New York City...

[ccooperev]

maybe he's just using that "Gay" thing to get closer to claire haha


Maybe its a Will and Grace thing of gay men having a close girl friend and the girl having a guy that she's not feeling in sexual competition with. It could happen...

[dswallow]

Maybe its a Will and Grace thing of gay men having a close girl friend and the girl having a guy that she's not feeling in sexual competition with. It could happen...
Well... actually they are kinda in sexual competition, being interested in the same guy; plus she could still be attracted to him sexually.

It gets complicated. :)

[classicX]

Peter "flew" (his foot floated) one morning when he was getting out of bed. Presumably he had seen Nathan the day before. Peter also drew a picture of the future while in the hospital, he had seen Isaac the day before. Peter retains teh powers for a time, but it is unclear how long and if they weaken over time before disappearing completely.

I think Peter probably "stores" the powers of others. The longer he's with someone, the more power he stores up. It seeps off over time, but he is still able to use it after leaving the company of the other individual. If he uses it actively, he loses it more quickly.

What I really want to know is, if his power works by "copying" the other person's power (making his body chemistry / brain chemistry like theirs), will he eventually learn to control this to the point where he can at will mimic the powers of any "super" he has ever come in contact with?

Will he be able to "detect" not only that someone has powers, but also what that power actually is?

[classicX]

I've got this filter that sits between my senses (eyes, ears, etc.) and my memory bank; I get to decide what's true, what's hype and so on. Hiro came back from the future -- far enough in the future to not have an accent, and to say that Peter looked different without the scar -- in order to tell Peter that they had to save the cheerleader in order to save the world. If they (the heroes) could not figure out that they needed to save the cheerleader until that far into the future, then doesn't it follow that the events leading up to the end of the world would not take place until some time later, as well?

Anyhow, that was my take on it, so I did not at all expect the end of the world or even the explosion in NYC to take place this week. And if you recall, I was the one who originally thought that the NYC explosion from Hiro's future travel (November 8?) would be aired around the same time frame in real-life.

Did some people (not just Doug) really expect the explosion (or, actually, prevention of it) to take place this past Monday?

I think the explosion in NYC is the trigger, causing the "end of the world." Think about it - a nuke goes off in NYC, the US retaliates again suspected countries, those countries have friends, and those countries have friends, and pretty soon, nuclear war.

Perhaps Radiation Man is somehow transported to NYC, and finds something that makes him so upset that he goes "boom." Claire (or Claire / Peter combo) being the only person who can get close enough for long enough to try to calm him down.

[arcadefreaque]

...Perhaps Radiation Man is somehow transported to NYC, and finds something that makes him so upset that he goes "boom." Claire (or Claire / Peter combo) being the only person who can get close enough for long enough to try to calm him down.
And since Peter didn't save the cheerleader (and has her blood on him via Sylar), he is arrested and won't be able to be in NYC in order to stop the explosion and save the world. :(

[PeternJim]

He DID save the cheerleader-- Claire. He just didn't save both of them.

[balboa dave]

I'm not convinced the "innocent" cheerleader is dead. She didn't look in very good shape, but Sylar didn't eat her brain either, since he realized Claire was the one he was after.

[balboa dave]

I want to post this theory before tonight's episode. I think the waitress already knew Hiro when he first walked in, but was playing innocent. I base this on two things: 1. The comment she made while they were talking by themselves. She said she loved his scrunchy face he makes when concentrating. How could she possibly know about that unless she'd seen it before? 2: The picture of Hiro with her at her birthday celebration exists in present time, which I think means he's already visited with her. Of course, this doesn't explain her death, unless either she's been forced to accept her fate, and went willingly, or this was some sort of hoax played on Sylar, the details of which elude me, since there was a real body and all. Anyway, I had to get this off my chest.

[unicorngoddess]

I'm not convinced the "innocent" cheerleader is dead. She didn't look in very good shape, but Sylar didn't eat her brain either, since he realized Claire was the one he was after.

I wasn't sure at first either, but when I re-watched it I noticed that when Mr. Bennett saw Jackie laying on the ground they showed her with her eyes stuck open. I think she's really dead.

[jradford]

I want to post this theory before tonight's episode. I think the waitress already knew Hiro when he first walked in, but was playing innocent. I base this on two things: 1. The comment she made while they were talking by themselves. She said she loved his scrunchy face he makes when concentrating. How could she possibly know about that unless she'd seen it before? 2: The picture of Hiro with her at her birthday celebration exists in present time, which I think means he's already visited with her. Of course, this doesn't explain her death, unless either she's been forced to accept her fate, and went willingly, or this was some sort of hoax played on Sylar, the details of which elude me, since there was a real body and all. Anyway, I had to get this off my chest.
1. I thought that was a little strange, too, but I didn't take it the same way.

2. Per the picture, before Hiro went back, they showed the picture and he was not in it. After he went back, they ended the episode (or somewhere near the end) and zoomed in on the pic showing Hiro suddenly being there at the party, similar to BTTF way of using the picture changes to show the effect you have on the future by going back in time.

[getreal]

Maybe that's what sparks the explosion in New York City...
Maybe RadioActive Man eats a bad hot dog from a street vender, and has a really severe case of ... explosive gas. :eek:
Sorry --- I couldn't resist. :D

[madscientist]

I'm not convinced the "innocent" cheerleader is dead.She's dead, Jim ... er, Dave.

:p

[balboa dave]

1. I thought that was a little strange, too, but I didn't take it the same way.

2. Per the picture, before Hiro went back, they showed the picture and he was not in it. After he went back, they ended the episode (or somewhere near the end) and zoomed in on the pic showing Hiro suddenly being there at the party, similar to BTTF way of using the picture changes to show the effect you have on the future by going back in time.Crap, you're right about #2. I forgot it was shown in the previous episode. Thanks for pointing that out.

[ccooperev]

So, I'm tempted to buy this as a season pass in iTunes. They want $42 bucks for it. I know there is only one more episode in 2006 for 11 episodes but what constitutes Season 1? It would be cheaper to buy individual episodes if there were only 11 episodes in a season...

[jradford]

So, I'm tempted to buy this as a season pass in iTunes. They want $42 bucks for it. I know there is only one more episode in 2006 for 11 episodes but what constitutes Season 1? It would be cheaper to buy individual episodes if there were only 11 episodes in a season...
I would keep an eye out for a marathon coming up on Sci-Fi. I imagine they will do this at some point before the new shows next year.

[LoadStar]

So, I'm tempted to buy this as a season pass in iTunes. They want $42 bucks for it. I know there is only one more episode in 2006 for 11 episodes but what constitutes Season 1? It would be cheaper to buy individual episodes if there were only 11 episodes in a season...
Season 1 should be a full 22 episodes. I would be extremely surprised if they tried pulling a "split season" on iTunes, since that's not the way NBC presents it.

[ccooperev]

Season 1 should be a full 22 episodes. I would be extremely surprised if they tried pulling a "split season" on iTunes, since that's not the way NBC presents it.

I seem to recall that stunt was pulled on some other show, I think BSG.

I think its funny that I would even consider purchasing this show on iTunes since I'm less than keen on buying video content that is somewhat limited in where and how I can display it.

[grecorj]

Funny, I had posted earlier in this thread that my SP for Heroes had failed to pick up this episode.

Well, I was weeding out my NPL last night and there it was! But it was very strange -- it was hiding in my Studio 60 ARWL folder?? Weird!