Stargate SG-1 Question (Possible season 2 & 7 spoiler)

[marrone]

I'm 1/2 way through season two on my DVDs, and they are all of a sudden talking about the 2nd gate found in Antarctica.

I got a couple questions about that.

1) When did they find that? The episode I just saw referred to them gating to it accidently due to a power spike. But I don't recall a previous episode about it.
Quite honestly, I don't recall any of season 1 or part of season two ever talking about finding a second gate. Was this just a brief mention somewhere, or did I actually miss an episode somewhere (I have all the discs, so if need be, I could find the episode). It seems this would warrant an episode in itself.

2) Since the DHD works for the second gate, why didn't they just appropriate that for stargate command, instead of the very slow system they have now?

3) Did they find this gate in what has been determined to be the Atlantean outpost, or is that a completely different part of Antarctica? Because when they found that output in season 7, they acted like they never saw it before. (And why have an outpost if there was no real way to get in it...or did they "ring" into it?)

Thanks
-Mike

[Langree]

I'm 1/2 way through season two on my DVDs, and they are all of a sudden talking about the 2nd gate found in Antarctica.

I got a couple questions about that.

1) When did they find that? The episode I just saw referred to them gating to it accidently due to a power spike. But I don't recall a previous episode about it.
Quite honestly, I don't recall any of season 1 or part of season two ever talking about finding a second gate. Was this just a brief mention somewhere, or did I actually miss an episode somewhere (I have all the discs, so if need be, I could find the episode). It seems this would warrant an episode in itself.

2) Since the DHD works for the second gate, why didn't they just appropriate that for stargate command, instead of the very slow system they have now?

3) Did they find this gate in what has been determined to be the Atlantean outpost, or is that a completely different part of Antarctica? Because when they found that output in season 7, they acted like they never saw it before. (And why have an outpost if there was no real way to get in it...or did they "ring" into it?)

Thanks
-Mike


It's not the Atlantean gate

It is discovered in Solitudes, Season 1, Episode 18, OAD 6Feb98

[srs5694]

The Antarctic gate was indeed found in an episode in which... (spoiler protected in case you don't want to know some details)

O'Neill and Carter were stranded in an ice cave they reached after dialing Earth. They assumed the gate had malfunctioned and sent them to the wrong planet, but were unable to dial Earth.

I don't recall the title of that episode. As to why they didn't use the DHD from the Antarctic gate, I don't recall any explanation ever being offered.

My memory on your last question is vague, but I seem to recall that the Antarctic gate was indeed near the Ancient outpost, but it took them a while to find everything. In fact, there's at least one intervening story in Antarctica, in which they make another find. I won't say more in case you don't want spoilers on it.

[mrpantstm]

2) Since the DHD works for the second gate, why didn't they just appropriate that for stargate command, instead of the very slow system they have now?

While a DHD (whether it's from the Russian gate or elsewhere, would work with the gate in SG Command, I think the reason they don't use it is because the computer software they've written does what the need plus allows them control of the Iris which the DHD does not do. They could probably plunk a DHD into the command room but I guess the producers just never bothered. :D

3) Did they find this gate in what has been determined to be the Atlantean outpost, or is that a completely different part of Antarctica? Because when they found that output in season 7, they acted like they never saw it before. (And why have an outpost if there was no real way to get in it...or did they "ring" into it?)


The Outpost they later find, while in Antarctica, is not the same place Jack and Sam get lost on. I believe once they're found, the SGC takes the gate that was in Antarctica. Using Ancient information downloaded into O'Neil they find the Ancient weapon in Antarctica which is completely seperate.

[dtivouser]

You can find answers to all this at www.gateworld.net ... there is an extensive database that will tell you episode names, etc. Good luck!

[phox_mulder]

While a DHD (whether it's from the Russian gate or elsewhere, would work with the gate in SG Command, I think the reason they don't use it is because the computer software they've written does what the need plus allows them control of the Iris which the DHD does not do. They could probably plunk a DHD into the command room but I guess the producers just never bothered. :D

Not to mention it would put Walter out of a job.

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[Warren]

I have a question. I saw the Episode were O'neill was frozen in the chamber but I never saw where he got out. how did he get out.

[Tangent]

I have a question. I saw the Episode were O'neill was frozen in the chamber but I never saw where he got out. how did he get out.

The Asgard needed his help to defeat the replicators. Since he had the ancient database in his mind they figured (correctly) that he'd know of a weapon that'd work. For a while Jack's consciousness was uploaded to an Asgard computer, but at the end of the episode they redownloaded it into his body without the ancient knowledge overloading it.

[marrone]

Thanks for the answers. Solitudes I recall the name, but don't recall the episode itself. I'll have to pull that out and rewatch it. Since I've only watched the episodes on plane rides, it's possible I missed it, or didn't see all of it, if they cut me off due to a landing.

Is the Antarctica gate the Russian gate?

-Mike

[mrpantstm]

Is the Antarctica gate the Russian gate?

No I don't believe so. I believe the Russians have (had) their own gate with a DHD and I don't think they were hiding it in a glacier in Antarctica in between missions. ;) :D

[rickertk]

Yes, I think the Antarctic gate became the Russian gate (or else it became our gate and our gate became the Russian gate). It's been a while, but I think that when helping the Asgard with a replicator problem in Earth orbit, they beamed up a gate to evacuate out, after which the ship crashed into the ocean, and I think the Russians retrieved the gate from it.

Keith

[ADent]

# In the episode "Solitudes" a second stargate was discovered on Earth in Antarctica.
# In Nemesis The Stargate was transported to The Beliskner to help SG-1 escape the ship's destruction as it burned up in the atmosphere and fell into the Pacific Ocean. The gate survived the ship's destruction and was recovered by the Russians and they started their own program. The SGC replaced their lost gate with the Antarctic gate.
# In Redemption, Part 2 Anubis attacked the stargate and it was destroyed. The SGC leased the Russian's stargate to replace their own.
# In the episode "Endgame" the stargate was stolen by The Trust to use in their plot to launch a chemical weapon Symbiote Poison against the goa'uld. The stargate was recovered by the Prometheus

From http://scifipedia.scifi.com/index.php/Stargates

[Warren]

I have wondered this.

they show that any thing in the "puddle" is choped in half if the puddle is closed.

So how come the metal grate is still whole?

[marrone]

Metal Grate?

Well, I saw solitudes (thanks to those that pointed it out to me). I don't know how I missed it. But I think I missed another episode on that disc as well (Tin Man) so I'll have to watch that as well.

It doesn't seem like they said a whole lot about it, though. And why would they have put a gate on the coldest part on the planet? It isn't accessible to the liveable parts of the world.

(If I were Carter, I would have tried a different address if Earth's wasn't working. Then again, I'm saying that with the knowledge that it was the same address)

Since the symbols are different, I assume that it isn't the symbol that represents the destination, but rather the underlying value that it represents? It seems strange that the antarctic gate would have a different point of origin, but it would still work. That wasn't touched on much at all.

-Mike

[mhalver]

It doesn't seem like they said a whole lot about it, though. And why would they have put a gate on the coldest part on the planet? It isn't accessible to the liveable parts of the world.
-Mike

I can't remember the exact timeline, but we are talking about many thousands of years since that gate was placed. It may not have been as cold then, or it may have been long enough for continental drift. Remember that is the original gate - the main gate was brough by the Ga'ould (may have spelled that wrong).

[mhalver]

While a DHD (whether it's from the Russian gate or elsewhere, would work with the gate in SG Command, I think the reason they don't use it is because the computer software they've written does what the need plus allows them control of the Iris which the DHD does not do. They could probably plunk a DHD into the command room but I guess the producers just never bothered. :D

Wasn't the energy source of that DHD depleted? If I recall right, Carter had to rig up some sort of method of even powering it in the first place. Maybe they didn't want to mess with having to power a depleted DHD as the technology behind them isn't even fully understood (every 'accident' that has happened with the SGC controls is prevented under a functional DHD).

[Jonathan_S]

Wasn't the energy source of that DHD depleted? If I recall right, Carter had to rig up some sort of method of even powering it in the first place. Maybe they didn't want to mess with having to power a depleted DHD as the technology behind them isn't even fully understood (every 'accident' that has happened with the SGC controls is prevented under a functional DHD).
The power source of the DHD on the Antarctic gate failed not long after they got it. (Maybe a year, but I think less). During the period when the US had both gates the NID was using the Antarctic DHD to run independent missions out of area 51.

When the Russians got the original Egyptian gate off of the crashed ship in the Pacific, they already had a DHD to use with it. For whatever reason the deal to lease the Russian gate didn't include use of the Russian DHD. (Later the SGC did borrow and break that DHD. Oops)
As I recall, a German pre-WWII expedition found the buried Egyptian DHD and carted it back to Berlin then the Russians seized it after WWII, which is why they had a working DHD to use once they got their hands on the Egyptian gate.

[marrone]

So what happened to the DHD in the movie? (been so long ago since I've seen it)

-Mike

[techrat5]

It was never in the movie. The DHD did not appear until the Pilot episode.

[marrone]

What did they use to dial, then?

(and in the pilot, if it showed up, was it busted?)

-Mike

[mrpantstm]

What did they use to dial, then?

(and in the pilot, if it showed up, was it busted?)

-Mike

The computer and mechanical grips to move the ring.

They also manually dialed out in 'The Torment of Tantalus' without the aid of a DHD.

A DHD is like a remote for a TV. Loose the remote, you can still turn on the TV, you just have to get up. :D

[Langree]

The computer and mechanical grips to move the ring.

They also manually dialed out in 'The Torment of Tantalus' without the aid of a DHD.

A DHD is like a remote for a TV. Loose the remote, you can still turn on the TV, you just have to get up. :D


"No no! The one that looks like a backwards E, dangit now we gotta start over! Start turning it back to chevron 1... I don't care if you're getting tired!"

[Jonathan_S]

The computer and mechanical grips to move the ring.

They also manually dialed out in 'The Torment of Tantalus' without the aid of a DHD.

A DHD is like a remote for a TV. Loose the remote, you can still turn on the TV, you just have to get up. :D
Based on interpretation of various bits and pieces scattered throughout different episodes, it appears that the DHD also feeds some kind of stellar drift corrections into the gate. Sam had to manually make the same corrections using earth's dialing computer.

The DHD also acts as the normal power source for the gate, so without a DHD you'd need some other way to power up the gate's internal capacitors. The 'The Torment of Tantalus' they did it with a lightning strike. There have also been mentions in more recent episodes of taking naquada generators along to let them power up a gate if necessary.


Did the movie address how they activated the gate from Abidos to Earth? (I can't recall.) But that is where you might have expected to see a DHD.

[marrone]

I think abidos had a DHD in the movie. In the series, it definitely does.
I recall one episode where they started dialing, but the wormhole came through first, and they had to scatter.

But on earth, then, how did they power it in the movie, if there was no DHD? Or did they have all sorts of generators there (since this was still in egypt...there was no SGC).

As for the stellar drift, the DHD handles that, as it supposedly dials other gates to make minor computations. I would assume there would be a wormhole, though? Obviously that doesn't happen at SGC because there is no DHD.

-Mike

[srs5694]

But on earth, then, how did they power it in the movie, if there was no DHD? Or did they have all sorts of generators there (since this was still in egypt...there was no SGC).

IIRC, the movie begins with the arrival of Ra on Earth, then jumps to the discovery of the gate in Egypt in the 1920s, and then fast-forwards to the present day. Long story short, the gate is by then housed in the facility that will become known as the SGC, although I don't believe it had that name at the time. It's from there that Daniel Jackson figures out how to dial Abydos and from there that O'Neill's team leaves for Abydos; none of these characters ever sets foot in Egypt during the course of the movie, although presumably Jackson had been there before. Abydos does look a lot like Egypt, though, with pyramids and deserts and whatnot. I don't recall the movie providing details of how the gate was powered, but presumably it was via the same means as in the series (conventional electricity from the power grid or an on-site generator).

[JYoung]

The computer and mechanical grips to move the ring.

They also manually dialed out in 'The Torment of Tantalus' without the aid of a DHD.

A DHD is like a remote for a TV. Loose the remote, you can still turn on the TV, you just have to get up. :D


What I've found odd is that apparently you can't manually dial the Atlantis/Pegasus gates. You have to have a DHD (at least per the episode Condemned)

[windracer]

Metal Grate?
I think he's referring to the walkway. It ramps up, goes through the bottom portion of the gate, and continues on the other side.

I don't think it goes all the way through though.

[Warren]

yeah it goes all the way through.

[JYoung]

No, it doesn't.

Any view looking down from the top of the Gate room clearly shows a gap in the metal walkway in which the Gate is in.

[Warren]

then it must change from episode to episode cause I have seen it go all the way thru

[JYoung]

Specifically, when?

Because like I said earlier, they've shown enough top views where you can see the gap.

[srs5694]

Whether or not the walkway passes all the way through the gate, it ought to be damaged by the kawoosh. Ditto for most gates on alien planets, since they're usually partially embedded in the ground or a stone ramp of some sort. This is one bit of inconsistency that they haven't made fun of themselves, as far as I can recall, as they've done with many others from time to time.

[Warren]

one episode I can think of is the episode were O'neill gets the snake in his head but its one of the "good" snakes. they are on another planet and they are in a mock up of a gate room. I don't recall if it was a working gate. but the camera "walks" up the ramp through the gate cause they are showing a power plant behide the wall.

but I have no idea if this is a working gate. but this is the only thing I can think of right now.

[wmcbrine]

Whether or not the walkway passes all the way through the gate, it ought to be damaged by the kawoosh.As has been detailed in some episodes (e.g. "Prisoners"), the field has more of an effect at the center than at the edges -- in "Prisoners", IIRC, it removed the people who stood in front of it, but left their feet. (That was "Prisoners", right?) That's about the level that the walkway or other mounting structures are at. Basically, the field only bulges out in the center.

[marrone]

After catching up on a bunch of episodes (finished season 2), it makes me wonder:
Since the SG teams come in hot every now and then, and dive through the gate, why is the ramp made of metal?

-Mike

[Jonathan_S]

After catching up on a bunch of episodes (finished season 2), it makes me wonder:
Since the SG teams come in hot every now and then, and dive through the gate, why is the ramp made of metal?

-MikeNonflamable?

Actually, I've got no idea.

[windracer]

It's more dramatic ... :)

[marrone]

I just envision a lot of headaches.

Though, after thinking about it, a laser or bullet shot through the gate would probably chew up whatever flooring they have.

-Mike

[Warren]

Specifically, when?

Because like I said earlier, they've shown enough top views where you can see the gap.


THE 3rd Episode!!!! when teal'c holds Major Kawalsky's head in the event horizon while O'Neill closes it. they then do a camera angle showing Major Kawalsky laying on the grate. which is intact!!

[HiddenSky]

What I've found odd is that apparently you can't manually dial the Atlantis/Pegasus gates. You have to have a DHD (at least per the episode Condemned)

I don't think they can be manually dialed because there is no ring to manipulate for dialing, since there are only the lights around the perimeter.

[wmcbrine]

I don't think they can be manually dialed because there is no ring to manipulate for dialing, since there are only the lights around the perimeter.Yeah, the Ancients got cheap with the Pegasus gates.

[JYoung]

I guess the Ancients contracted out the Pegasus network to the lowest bidder.

[Church AV Guy]

Just the opposite. When they built the pegasus network, they upgraded! They went with pushbutton rather than dial calling. They lost the manual operation in the process, but who knows what other features that came with the buttons. Maybe the gates have instant messaging, or downloadable "incoming wormhole" ring tones. How about camera DHDs so you can see who is dialing before you accept the... um, open the wormhole... um, drop the force field. Yeah.