Battlestar Galactica - S03E08 - 11/17/06 - "Hero"

[caslu]

Okay, hope I did this correctly since I've never actually started a thread before and I'm really surprised no one else has started one yet...

...anyway, I thought the episode was just okay. Not horrible but nothing to write home about either... something just seemed off to me. I did like the background on the possible motivation for the Cylon attack though.

[Figaro]

Was it me or was there a major continuity error at the end. When he says goodbye to Bulldog he is in normal uniform. Then he is back in full dress uniform at the end.

[tivolovr]

Hard to believe lack of response so far. I thought tonight's episode was first rate as has been this entire season. We learned a huge secret from Adama's past as well as the past of the colonies overall. One-eye Tigh got an eye patch! And the scene with the Admiral and his son was heart stopping. The threesome with Xena, Six and Baltar in bed! The way they revealed that slowly...most funny. Finally, the ending ... "Do you want to tell me what happened to your wife?" -- felt so true. Every character grew a little tonight.

[dtle]

That Baltar is one lucky sonofabitch!! He's supposed to be a prisoner, and yet he's getting a threesome with two of hottest Sci-Fi babes!

[logic88]

As I was watching the episode, I felt that they were trying to retcon the storyline. If the Admiralty knew the Cylons were out there, shouldn't they have been a little bit more prepared?

What was the deal with the "suicide by Centurion" bit with D'Anna? Trying to find God in-between life and death?

Anyway, it was very much a filler episode, IMO. Not bad but not that good either.

[quango]

As I was watching the episode, I felt that they were trying to retcon the storyline. If the Admiralty knew the Cylons were out there, shouldn't they have been a little bit more prepared?

Well, the admiralty were prepared... they had 120 battlestars, thousands of advanced fighters, over a million servicemen/women, etc. But Caprica Six found the Achilles heel--Baltar and the backdoored CNP (Command Navigation Program) that was running most of the fleet except Galactica--and so the Cylons could come in and pulverize the colonies with impunity.

[cwerdna]

Hard to believe lack of response so far. I thought tonight's episode was first rate as has been this entire season. We learned a huge secret from Adama's past as well as the past of the colonies overall. One-eye Tigh got an eye patch! And the scene with the Admiral and his son was heart stopping. The threesome with Xena, Six and Baltar in bed! The way they revealed that slowly...most funny. Finally, the ending ... "Do you want to tell me what happened to your wife?" -- felt so true. Every character grew a little tonight.
I wouldn't say this entire season has been first rate (the ep w/the secret tribunals was kinda weak), but this was a pretty good ep. It was a lot better than I expected based on the preview and description. I hope we get to see more of the Valkyrie and other newer/more advanced Battlestars.

I wasn't sure if Bulldog was Dixon from Alias but eventually I realized it definitely was him (and later confirmed it via IMDB).

The bit where Starbuck was looking at the chase footage reminded of the Star Trek TNG ep "The Defector".

[Skittles]

I hated the episode, to be honest. Definitely my least favorite of the season, and possibly my least favorite of the entire series.

It just felt like way too much of it was attempting to lead into the scene between Tighe and Adama at the end. The story with Bulldog lacked a lot of emotional punch and felt scattered. And Adama being the spark that started the powder keg of a war? I don't buy that one for a second, the way it was presented to us.

Just feels like this episode was cobbled together, and it really laked cohesiveness. It ended up being a mishmesh of bad ideas.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Yeah, that's two weeks in a row that have left me feeling let down (they made complete hash of the virus last week, and the Adama/Cylon retcon this week), and the preview doesn't leave me much hope for next time. It looks like their mid-season slump came early this year...

[emandbri]

I was pretty disappointed in this episode and like others said I don't have high hopes for next weeks. I think they would have gotten better ratings for next week if the hadn't show any previews. This isn't juicy enough of a spoiler to bother using spoiler tags but does anyone remember the stupid boxing (or was it kick boxing?) episode of babylon 5? Worst epidode EVER!

Emily

[Todd]

I thought this episode was pretty good!

[jking]

I was pretty disappointed in this episode and like others said I don't have high hopes for next weeks. I think they would have gotten better ratings for next week if the hadn't show any previews. This isn't juicy enough of a spoiler to bother using spoiler tags but does anyone remember the stupid boxing (or was it kick boxing?) episode of babylon 5? Worst epidode EVER!

Emily

Yeah, I don't have much hope for next week's ep either... especially since there isn't going to be an episode of BSG next week. :p

[kaszeta]

I'm kind of ho-hum on this episode. It wasn't bad, but too many little details bugged me:

1. The human crawling into a raider to fly it was hokey the first time. We didn't need to see that again.
2. How did Bulldog find the fleet? That seems to me that the Cylons need to know exactly where the fleet is. I hope there's some backstory they fill in here, but I doubt it (the writers seem to like messy dangling ends).

Interesting observation that the writers might not of thought about: When they retconned Adama's past, they established that a year before the fall of the colonies he was on Valkyrie. But early in the series (around Water, I think), they established that Boomer had served under Adama for two years. So that suggests that Boomer was there on Valkyrie. In any case, the timeline is clear that the Cylons had been well-infiltrated even before the Valkyrie event. Adama should realize this.

[chronatog7]

Did anyone notice the ceremony invitation said "45 years of service", but the president was talking during the ceremony about "40 years of service".

I liked the scene of Adama and Coronel T. , if shows their friendship goes deeper than any issues they may have. At the end of the day, two buddies are having a drink and talking about how crappy their situation is.

Also, I liked how Starbuck was doing was she like to do. She is a flying junkie and she was reviewing the video of the intercept. I thought it was very true to character.

What's different about Roselyn? SHe looked refreshed... I dont know, maybe it just me.

Overall, an ok episode.

[PJO1966]

Either I had issues with my recording, or I blacked out and missed a bunch of this episode.

I didn't see Starbuck reviewing any footage.
I had no idea how Adama got the bruises on his face.
I had no idea where Bulldog was going at the end of the episode.

I need to watch again.

[jwjody]

Near the beginning Adama said "bull*****" but the "*****" part was blanked out. Did anyone else notice that?

I thought the episode was ok. Interesting that they have another raider to study now. Also cool that D'anna sees something between death and life. Like they could be with their god in an afterlife if they didn't download. Which that form of mortality also makes them more human.

J

[appleye1]

Near the beginning Adama said "bull*****" but the "*****" part was blanked out. Did anyone else notice that?
He should have said "bullfrak". The colonial censors would have let that one through. :)

What was up with the DNA test to determine if Bulldog was a Cylon? Did I miss something along the way or did they not think of this back when Baltar was developing his infamous "Cylon detector"?

[ThePennyDropped]

What was up with the DNA test to determine if Bulldog was a Cylon? Did I miss something along the way or did they not think of this back when Baltar was developing his infamous "Cylon detector"?

They were comparing his DNA with the DNA they had in his medical records from when he was active military. So it didn't really prove he wasn't a Cylon so much as prove that he was the same man who had provided the DNA sample for their files years ago.

--Debbie

[appleye1]

They were comparing his DNA with the DNA they had in his medical records from when he was active military. So it didn't really prove he wasn't a Cylon so much as prove that he was the same man who had provided the DNA sample for their files years ago.

--DebbieExactly. And before this if you tested one of the Boomer's DNA it would match it up with the real Boomer's DNA record. Didn't prove anything. That was why Baltar was having such trouble developing a test I thought.

But now it appears that they have figured out that a Cylon skinjob's DNA will not match the original's DNA. That's something new, right? Or did I miss something?

[jimborst]

Near the beginning Adama said "bull*****" but the "*****" part was blanked out. Did anyone else notice that?

I found this really took me out of the story, I had to go back to see what was said. Why would the writers put that in if it was going to be cut out like that?

[Tangent]

Exactly. And before this if you tested one of the Boomer's DNA it would match it up with the real Boomer's DNA record. Didn't prove anything. That was why Baltar was having such trouble developing a test I thought.

There never was a "real" Boomer.

But now it appears that they have figured out that a Cylon skinjob's DNA will not match the original's DNA. That's something new, right? Or did I miss something?

What they figured is that Bulldog was with the fleet so long before the war started (unlike Boomer who was planted not that long before) that if the DNA matched they knew he was the same person. Confirming that he was the same person + knowledge that he'd been with the fleet long before Cylons had sent any skinjobs to infiltrate them = human.

I can't remember exactly what the time frame was for deciding how long somebody would have to have been around to prove that they're not a skinjob. I read it somewhere and their reasoning made perfect sense anyway. :p

[PJO1966]

Either I had issues with my recording, or I blacked out and missed a bunch of this episode.

I didn't see Starbuck reviewing any footage.
I had no idea how Adama got the bruises on his face.
I had no idea where Bulldog was going at the end of the episode.

I need to watch again.


I don't know what happened the first time I watched it. I skipped over an entire segment. Now it all makes sense except for one thing... where was Bulldog going at the end of the episode?

[Rob Helmerichs]

I don't know what happened the first time I watched it. I skipped over an entire segment. Now it all makes sense except for one thing... where was Bulldog going at the end of the episode?
Someplace where they wouldn't have to pay Carl Lumbly rates for a new regular, I'm assuming...

[Billyh1026]

Did anyone notice the ceremony invitation said "45 years of service", but the president was talking during the ceremony about "40 years of service".
She actully did say 45 years of service. However, the closed captioning had 40 years on it. I always use closed captioning and in every show on TV you can see where they've changed the dialog or the people inputing the dialog for the closed captioning screwed up.

At the 12 minute mark when the Dr. was checking Bulldogs blood, put the closed captioning on and you'll see it say [Cylon Detctor Beeping] . That's a MAJOR SNAFU/GAFF if indeed that's what it is. Of course,it could be a typo..... :confused:

[PJO1966]

Someplace where they wouldn't have to pay Carl Lumbly rates for a new regular, I'm assuming...


I've never seen him before, but I see he was the voice of J'onn J'onzz on Justice League. Now I need to watch this episode again. I see he was also on Alias, but I've never seen it.

[appleye1]

There never was a "real" Boomer.



What they figured is that Bulldog was with the fleet so long before the war started (unlike Boomer who was planted not that long before) that if the DNA matched they knew he was the same person. Confirming that he was the same person + knowledge that he'd been with the fleet long before Cylons had sent any skinjobs to infiltrate them = human.

I can't remember exactly what the time frame was for deciding how long somebody would have to have been around to prove that they're not a skinjob. I read it somewhere and their reasoning made perfect sense anyway. :p
I suppose you're right, but it just didn't sit right with me. Back when Baltar was developing his test, they were testing Adama, Roslyn, and everybody else using Baltar's test, which we know was bogus. Instead of using Baltar's test, why didn't they compare Adama's DNA to his DNA on file? Just seems inconsistant to me.

[jking]

I suppose you're right, but it just didn't sit right with me. Back when Baltar was developing his test, they were testing Adama, Roslyn, and everybody else using Baltar's test, which we know was bogus. Instead of using Baltar's test, why didn't they compare Adama's DNA to his DNA on file? Just seems inconsistant to me.

Actually I was never really clear on whether Baltar's test was bogus. There was the scene in one episode where the Cylon Detector did detect that Boomer was a Cylon, and Six had to convince Baltar not to tell anyone about it, including Boomer. If that whole scene was just Baltar's imagination, then he knew somehow that Boomer was a Cylon without using the detector, and if it wasn't his imagination, the detector did indeed work.

Surprised no one has mentioned the "and they have a plan" opening sequence was replaced this week by the "in the beginning" thing. Some complained in last week's thread that the "and they have a plan" thing didn't really seem to be accurate anymore (and I had thought the same). I wonder if this new sequence will be kept (showing different scenes from old episodes) or if it was just for this week's episode?

[Fool Me Twice]

Quit whining, Adama. You self-loathing pansy. You didn't start the fraking war. Cylons aren't justified in wiping out billions. Grow a backbone or step down (Oh, that's right. The teacher wouldn't let you.).

The only two good parts of this episode were Tigh getting an eyepatch, and D'anna seeing "God" (or the monster from Lost, I'm not sure). I'm interested to see where her little experiment leads.

[Fool Me Twice]

Surprised no one has mentioned the "and they have a plan" opening sequence was replaced this week by the "in the beginning" thing.
It was still there. I made a point of looking for it on first viewing, and just rechecked.

[mgk]

I neither liked nor hated this episode it just felt like a filler episode.

[emandbri]

There never was a "real" Boomer.



Do we know that for sure? The cylons could have based the models off of real people, I don't think it has been said either way. Sharon said she rembered her parents or or mom or something in season 1 I think. Maybe the cylon's kidnapped real people and took the memories and downloaded them into the cylons.

[DevdogAZ]

I suppose you're right, but it just didn't sit right with me. Back when Baltar was developing his test, they were testing Adama, Roslyn, and everybody else using Baltar's test, which we know was bogus. Instead of using Baltar's test, why didn't they compare Adama's DNA to his DNA on file? Just seems inconsistant to me.
Because there's never been any question that Adama was who he said he was. The DNA they'd have on file for him would simply be his DNA. But when a member of the fleet is missing for three years and has been with the Cylons, you'd definitely want to check to make sure it's the same person coming back. It doesn't prove that he wasn't a Cylon beforehand, but I guess Adama's history with him would satisfy that.

So why did the Cylons let him go? How did he know how to find the fleet? Is he supposed to be carrying out some kind of mission for the Cylons, perhaps unwittingly? Are they sending him away to somewhere because they suspect that because the Cylons let him go, he may somehow be monitored or tainted?

[Anubys]

Do we know that for sure? The cylons could have based the models off of real people, I don't think it has been said either way. Sharon said she rembered her parents or or mom or something in season 1 I think. Maybe the cylon's kidnapped real people and took the memories and downloaded them into the cylons.

we don't...however, the evidence is overwhelming that skin jobs are not based on real people...Boomer's back story is exactly what you would expect from a plant...only survivor of a massacre/disaster, survived as a child...no parents or friends or family alive to corroborate or verify her story...they simply took the identity of a child that died and gave it to her...

[cheesesteak]

I thought this was a very good episode. Great acting from the pros: Lumbly, Olmos, McDonnell and Hogan. And YAY! eyepatch.

[Rob Helmerichs]

So why did the Cylons let him go? How did he know how to find the fleet? Is he supposed to be carrying out some kind of mission for the Cylons, perhaps unwittingly? Are they sending him away to somewhere because they suspect that because the Cylons let him go, he may somehow be monitored or tainted?
The [very unsatisfactory] explanation that was given in the episode was that they hoped he would find out that Adama shot him down, and kill him.

It puzzled me that everybody just seemed to accept that theory--and then move on!

[TriBruin]

Near the beginning Adama said "bull*****" but the "*****" part was blanked out. Did anyone else notice that?


Funny, my copy had the ***** come through just fine. Of course, my copy came from iTunes. :p

I was actually wondering if that was actually said on SciFi.

[TriBruin]

I thought this episode was very average.

I do like seeing Laura stepping up and putting Adama in his place. Adama tends to place the blame for everything that happens on himself. Laura remind him that the world does not revolve around Bill Adama.

I am still confused with what the Cylons plan was with Bull Dog. They really expected him to kill Adama? That seems like a stretch.

Good to see Starbuck back to doing what she does best, being a Viper jock. But, are she and Anders over?

Is Kat still CAG of Galactica? What is Apollo's job now? And if Tighe comes back as XO, what does Helo do?

[Rob Helmerichs]

Is Kat still CAG of Galactica? What is Apollo's job now? And if Tighe comes back as XO, what does Helo do?
I suspect Helo gets busted for his sabotage...

[Bierboy]

Loved this ep. I disagree with those who are calling it "fill" - good character development and backstory.

D'Anna's little "experiment" reminds me of the movie "Flatline".

[markz]

He should have said "bullfrak". The colonial censors would have let that one through. :)...

Does that mean FRAK = FROG?

[getbak]

Near the beginning Adama said "bull*****" but the "*****" part was blanked out. Did anyone else notice that?
It was uncensored on the Canadian broadcast.

[Anubys]

I suspect Helo gets busted for his sabotage...

there is no investigation...still, it's Tigh's job when he gets back, I would think...

[Rob Helmerichs]

there is no investigation...still, it's Tigh's job when he gets back, I would think...
That would be a terrible thing to do, morale-wise, just busting somebody because an old friend wants to come back. Nobody would ever feel secure in a promotion again.

No, Helo has to be busted for a reason, and that's the obvious one that they've given us.

[Anubys]

That would be a terrible thing to do, morale-wise, just busting somebody because an old friend wants to come back. Nobody would ever feel secure in a promotion again.

No, Helo has to be busted for a reason, and that's the obvious one that they've given us.

you can't lose your job because of injury! (sorry, watching football)...

still, Helo was XO because there was nobody else around...Galactica was operating with a skeleton crew...so it was not a promotion (I don't recall Helo getting a promotion)...once they have a full crew, it's not a demotion for everyone to assume the role they were trained for (and achieved through normal promotion process)...

when I'm on travel or vacation, my senior manager runs my department in my place...when I get back, there's no demotion involved in me assuming my post and him assuming his (boy, I hope I got my grammar right on this one!)...

[nedthelab]

That Baltar is one lucky sonofabitch!! He's supposed to be a prisoner, and yet he's getting a threesome with two of hottest Sci-Fi babes!


Okay he is a gangly brit that killed the human race, and he gets Helfer and Lawless??????? Cant the Cylons make dudes that are at least on the caliber of, well them selveves.

[nedthelab]

casue you guys dont have the FCC, an dyou are better for it... - Frack is ok, but BS..... $300K fine.....perhaps bullfrit Gee I hear worse stuff at my kids grade school playground, just my .02 on how prudish America is

[Rob Helmerichs]

still, Helo was XO because there was nobody else around...
Helo was XO because Tigh quit.

I will be very surprised if Tigh becomes XO without Helo being removed first, and again, they've set up the grounds for his removal already; I doubt that even these writers just did that for nothing.

[smark]

casue you guys dont have the FCC, an dyou are better for it... - Frack is ok, but BS..... $300K fine.....perhaps bullfrit Gee I hear worse stuff at my kids grade school playground, just my .02 on how prudish America is

What?

[appleye1]

casue you guys dont have the FCC, an dyou are better for it... - Frack is ok, but BS..... $300K fine.....perhaps bullfrit Gee I hear worse stuff at my kids grade school playground, just my .02 on how prudish America is
What?I think he was referring to the post from getbak, who is from Canada.

My question to nedthelab is: Is that broad brush you're using as wide as the whole country? Is San Francisco not part of America? If you guys in SF are OK with ******** then it's obviously not an "prudish America" problem. It's only a problem with a subset of very vocal "prudish" Americans who manipulate the FCC to satisy their own agenda. The whole country doesn't agree with them.

It really irritates me when Americans talk like they're on the outside looking in.

[Hersheytx]

As I was watching the episode, I felt that they were trying to retcon the storyline. If the Admiralty knew the Cylons were out there, shouldn't they have been a little bit more prepared?

What was the deal with the "suicide by Centurion" bit with D'Anna? Trying to find God in-between life and death?

Anyway, it was very much a filler episode, IMO. Not bad but not that good either.

If you were unlucky enough to have read TV GUIDE back in AUGUST (which I hope to God I will never do again), you will find this part of the episode to be a huge piece in the ending of BSG this season. I will not even give you a hint with a spoiler if you do not know. Its one of those things that ruins the whole season (IMHO) if you know what is going to happen.

[cheesesteak]

They need to give Tigh his own bar stool and a bottomless tab at the Galactica Tavern and call it a career. He was pretty useless and unrespected when he was the XO.

[kaszeta]

They need to give Tigh his own bar stool and a bottomless tab at the Galactica Tavern and call it a career. He was pretty useless and unrespected when he was the XO.

I'm not sure we'll ever really see him as XO again. I know Adama doesn't want him to be in charge of Galactica again, in his resignation letter he names Lee as his replacement (one of the nice details I found watching it again).

[Anubys]

If you were unlucky enough to have read TV GUIDE back in AUGUST (which I hope to God I will never do again), you will find this part of the episode to be a huge piece in the ending of BSG this season. I will not even give you a hint with a spoiler if you do not know. Its one of those things that ruins the whole season (IMHO) if you know what is going to happen.


many people would say that this is in itself a spoiler...please edit your post and add spoiler tags to it...

[7thton]

I agree. What a lame explaination. In the episode someone says that there is no way the Cylons would have let him go, unless they had a mission in mind for him. Then, after they merely assume his mission is to get revenge on Adama, they let him (Bulldog) go. Off of Galactica even! Stupid!

The [very unsatisfactory] explanation that was given in the episode was that they hoped he would find out that Adama shot him down, and kill him.

It puzzled me that everybody just seemed to accept that theory--and then move on!

[7thton]

I didn't really *get* the experiment. I'm not even sure I remember it properly. So, she had a Centurion shoot her and she came back in the tub surrounded by the others. But, in between, there were images of other things...what were they? What's the point?


The only two good parts of this episode were Tigh getting an eyepatch, and D'anna seeing "God" (or the monster from Lost, I'm not sure). I'm interested to see where her little experiment leads.

[Anubys]

I didn't really *get* the experiment. I'm not even sure I remember it properly. So, she had a Centurion shoot her and she came back in the tub surrounded by the others. But, in between, there were images of other things...what were they? What's the point?

it seems clear that there is some world between life and death and the skin jobs (or only this skin job) can see it and remember it before resurrection...

if there is no resurrection, do you stay there?

only one little problem in that world, in one angle, you could see the side of the stage and some of the spot lights illuminating it!

[getbak]

it seems clear that there is some world between life and death and the skin jobs (or only this skin job) can see it and remember it before resurrection...

if there is no resurrection, do you stay there?

only one little problem in that world, in one angle, you could see the side of the stage and some of the spot lights illuminating it!

It looked to me like the same stage where Six first showed Baltar the vision of the baby (back in season 1) in the ruins on Kobol.

[gchance]

I was pretty disappointed in this episode and like others said I don't have high hopes for next weeks. I think they would have gotten better ratings for next week if the hadn't show any previews. This isn't juicy enough of a spoiler to bother using spoiler tags but does anyone remember the stupid boxing (or was it kick boxing?) episode of babylon 5? Worst epidode EVER!

Emily

Zima, Zima, Zima...

Greg

[gchance]

So why is Baltar so lovey-dovey with the cylon babes now? Wasn't D'Anna just trying to kill him last week?

Greg

[ThePennyDropped]

This isn't juicy enough of a spoiler to bother using spoiler tags but does anyone remember the stupid boxing (or was it kick boxing?) episode of babylon 5? Worst epidode EVER!


And the boxing episode of ST: Voyager wasn't any better. Must be something about boxing...

--Debbie

[Big_Daddy]

So why is Baltar so lovey-dovey with the cylon babes now? Wasn't D'Anna just trying to kill him last week?



D'anna: "I'm sorry I almost killed you. I trust you now. Want to go to bed?"
Baltar: "Sure, while I'm wiping the blood off my shoulder from your ear-probe, why don't you call Six and see if she wants to join us?"
D'anna: "I'm sure she will. She always joins me and Simon."

[PJO1966]

So why is Baltar so lovey-dovey with the cylon babes now? Wasn't D'Anna just trying to kill him last week?

Greg


He told her he could help make sense of her faith, which she has been doubting lately.

[PJO1966]

I didn't really *get* the experiment. I'm not even sure I remember it properly. So, she had a Centurion shoot her and she came back in the tub surrounded by the others. But, in between, there were images of other things...what were they? What's the point?


My interpretation: There were people dressed all in white with their faces covered. Were there 5 of them? She was reaching to unmask one of them when she was resurrected. If indeed there were 5 of them, this would tell me that they represent the 5 models we have not seen yet and that the 7 models that we have seen are unaware of their identities.

... just a guess...

[Anubys]

My interpretation: There were people dressed all in white with their faces covered. Were there 5 of them? She was reaching to unmask one of them when she was resurrected. If indeed there were 5 of them, this would tell me that they represent the 5 models we have not seen yet and that the 7 models that we have seen are unaware of their identities.

... just a guess...

I thought of that, so I counted...I was the opposite of you, I thought there would be seven; representing the 7 that we have seen (hey, at least we were on the same wave length!)...

no matter...there were six figures...not 5, and not 7!

[PJO1966]

I thought of that, so I counted...I was the opposite of you, I thought there would be seven; representing the 7 that we have seen (hey, at least we were on the same wave length!)...

no matter...there were six figures...not 5, and not 7!

Damn! I liked my theory.

[danterner]

I thought of that, so I counted...I was the opposite of you, I thought there would be seven; representing the 7 that we have seen (hey, at least we were on the same wave length!)...

no matter...there were six figures...not 5, and not 7!
only one little problem in that world, in one angle, you could see the side of the stage and some of the spot lights illuminating it!

There are FOUR lights :)

[DevdogAZ]

D'anna: "I'm sorry I almost killed you. I trust you now. Want to go to bed?"
Baltar: "Sure, while I'm wiping the blood off my shoulder from your ear-probe, why don't you call Six and see if she wants to join us?"
D'anna: "I'm sure she will. She always joins me and Simon."
What about the "Six" model who zoomed in on Baltar's pictures from the infected basestar and knew he was lying about not seeing anything out of the ordinary on the ship? Did anything ever come of that? Maybe causing them to distrust you is how you get the Cylon babes into the sack. ;)

[busyba]

What about the "Six" model who zoomed in on Baltar's pictures from the infected basestar and knew he was lying about not seeing anything out of the ordinary on the ship? Did anything ever come of that?
Uhhhh... yeah. Like, you know.... a bunch of torture.

Or did you think that was just Xena's idea of foreplay?

:)

[Supfreak26]

I really liked this episode. Lots of character development and it was interesting to see that Adama has been carrying the burden of the cylon invasion on his shoulders all this time. Glad to see Rosalyn put him in his place.

Bulldog was being sent to another ship to see a shrink. The Doc mentioned he was sending him to someone. I imagine that's what it's for. 3 years in a cylon prison would probably drive you a little nuts. Especially when you find out that your team put you there.

The whole cylon plan to have Bulldog kill Adama (supposing that was the plan) was a little far-fetched but I like the backstory that came out of all that. It brings up an interesting side to the cylons. Trying to wipe out the human race is a bit extreme but what if this all started because the humans couldn't help poking the big dog with a stick? Maybe Adama's mission wasn't the only one across that line.

Those of you that are blasting this episode... Is it as bad as the Scar episode from last season? Now THAT was a pile of drech! :)

At least this had some character development and some story movement.

[Squeege96]

Is it just me, or has Lee been completely swept under the rug this season? First he's doing a Fat Albert impersonation, then he's sacrificing his ship, and now he's a ... nothing?

I did like the fact that Adama got the Galactica as punishment for the failure of BullDog's mission.

[philw1776]

Terrible episode...again.

My man Adama comes off as a super wimp, kvetching about a simple intel intrusion that somehow precipitated a situation that justified the Cylons killing billions of sentients.
Oh yeah, THAT makes sense.

The writers are seriously losing their edge here.

OK, I gotta admit liked the gratuitous threesome. First naked Boomah, then the 3some. What's next?

[markz]

...OK, I gotta admit liked the gratuitous threesome. First naked Boomah, then the 3some. What's next?

A naked Six and a naked Nine?

[nedthelab]

enough said - best show on TV

[Mars Rocket]

I thought D'anna being in bed with Baltar was in line with what's been going on with those three - she was obviously in love with him. Check out her expression at the very end of the scene when she was torturing him and he starts spouting off "I love you' because the virtual Six was giving him an orgasm.

Also, aren't the unknown models just the ones who run the base ships? The ones who spend all their lives in that liquid and spout mystical nonsense?

BTW, although Tigh's character is worthless, I think the actor playing him is doing a masterful job - he's maintained the character and his development throughout the series and gives you someone to hate every time.

[DevdogAZ]

Also, aren't the unknown models just the ones who run the base ships? The ones who spend all their lives in that liquid and spout mystical nonsense?
No, I don't think the Hybrids are the five unknown Skinjobs. That was discussed in the ep thread where the Hybrids were revealed, but I don't think anyone actually thought that was the case.

[Jonathan_S]

Isn't it odd that a custom designed colonial stealth recon ship is so much more detectable than the DIY stealth fighter job Tyril threw together last season?

(Well it would be odd if the writers aimed for consistency).

Bulldog's stealth ship gets picked up the second it crosses the DMZ, but Starbuck practically lands on a resurrection ship without getting noticed.

(Amusing side note, the spellchecker suggested "piratically" for my misspelling of "practically". You'd think it knew Starbuck. :D)

[phox_mulder]

Isn't it odd that a custom designed colonial stealth recon ship is so much more detectable than the DIY stealth fighter job Tyril threw together last season?

(Well it would be odd if the writers aimed for consistency).

Bulldog's stealth ship gets picked up the second it crosses the DMZ, but Starbuck practically lands on a resurrection ship without getting noticed.

Tyrol's stealth ship was thrown together a great number of years after Bulldog's was built.
Technology and materials have changed over that time,
as well as the knowlege of how to make a "stealth ship".

It didn't bug me at all.


phox

[Figaro]

Tyrol's stealth ship was thrown together a great number of years after Bulldog's was built.
Technology and materials have changed over that time,
as well as the knowlege of how to make a "stealth ship".

It didn't bug me at all.


phox

Umm..it was only a couple of years..wasn't it?

[phox_mulder]

Umm..it was only a couple of years..wasn't it?

Ok, 3.

Still, in terms of stealth technology, 3 years could be a long time.


phox

[Anubys]

I don't think it was a stealth ship as much as they were trying to sneak in around their radar undetected...and the plan didn't work...

the other ship that was built on Galactica was a true stealth ship...

[madscientist]

I just don't get how any of the cylons can fall in love with Baltar! It's ridiculous. He's everything they despise about humans: he cares more about his own life than anything else; he'd even sacrifice the entire human race so he won't be killed. He's pathetic, faithless, irresponsible, totally untrustworthy... how in the name of the Gods (or, as we're talking about cylons, God's name :p ) can they feel anything but pity and loathing for him?

They've made him so awful that I just can't believe it. I realize they have very little selection but come on!

[Rob Helmerichs]

He makes them feel good about themselves!

[madscientist]

Oy.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Hey, sexy, insecure Cylon girls are suckers for sweet-talking bad boys. What can I say?

Kinda makes me wish I knew some sexy, insecure Cylon girls.

And was bad.

And sweet-talking.

[Jonathan_S]

I don't think it was a stealth ship as much as they were trying to sneak in around their radar undetected...and the plan didn't work...

the other ship that was built on Galactica was a true stealth ship...
Didn't someone say it was a stealth ship when describing the mission to Adama?

I'll have to go back and look...

[kaszeta]

Didn't someone say it was a stealth ship when describing the mission to Adama?

I'll have to go back and look...

They called it a "Stealth Star"

[Anubys]

Hey, sexy, insecure Cylon girls are suckers for sweet-talking bad boys. What can I say?

Kinda makes me wish I knew some sexy, insecure Cylon girls.

And was bad.

And sweet-talking.


and good looking.

and smart.

...shall I go on? :D

[Rob Helmerichs]

and good looking.

and smart.

...shall I go on? :D
Yeah, I'm sure not a GENIUS, like Anubys.

...shall I go on? :D

[Anubys]

Yeah, I'm sure not a GENIUS, like Anubys.

...shall I go on? :D

thank you, thank you!

I needed to update my sig ;)

[Rob Helmerichs]

thank you, thank you!

I needed to update my sig ;)
Heh. It cracks me up that every time I basically say, "Geez, Anubys, what a MORON!", you put it in your .sig.

Guess context is everything! :cool:

[Anubys]

Heh. It cracks me up that every time I basically say, "Geez, Anubys, what a MORON!", you put it in your .sig.

Guess context is everything! :cool:

that's what makes it so FUNNY! :p

[marrone]

I liked the episode. Good character development, and an insight as to what was going on previous to the war.

I like how we're now seeing more and more of the cylons, and what makes them tick, and how unsure they are of themselves sometimes.

-Mike

[ThePennyDropped]

I just don't get how any of the cylons can fall in love with Baltar! It's ridiculous. He's everything they despise about humans: he cares more about his own life than anything else; he'd even sacrifice the entire human race so he won't be killed. He's pathetic, faithless, irresponsible, totally untrustworthy... how in the name of the Gods (or, as we're talking about cylons, God's name :p ) can they feel anything but pity and loathing for him?

They've made him so awful that I just can't believe it. I realize they have very little selection but come on!

Well, you're missing the obvious. He must simply be incredibly well-hung. ;)

--Debbie

[DevdogAZ]

Well, you're missing the obvious. He must simply be incredibly well-hung. ;)

--Debbie
:eek: