Lost 11/01 ***SPOILERS***

[LordKronos]

Well, I see a pretty high mountanious peak there that would seem to fit with what they showed Sawyer...that there are two islands side by side seperated by a small amount of ocean.

A) IF that mountain was a separate island, it's irrelevant to my post, because I was saying that the photo clearly shows the village was on the main island.

B) I don't believe even that one mountain is separate either. To be as visible as it is from that far across the island and as huge as any of those mountains are, it would have to be both very tall, and a lot bigger than twice the size of alcatraz (neither of which I believe is true of the second island, based both on what Ben said and on what we saw in the episode).

C) Based on where the main losties landed, it would appear likely (though not certain) that they would be able to see the second island, either from the beach or not far from their camp.


If I had to guess, I'd say the second island is directly behind the camera in that photo.

[jkeegan]

When we saw the eye-patch guy, he almost looked a bit like a shaved toilet-guy. But that could be because I don't know or care about that face enough to recognize it well yet.

[jkeegan]

We know that there is tension between Juliet and Ben. We know that Juliet resents his overbearing rule.WE know? Ummm. Not really. There power struggle can and PROBABLY is just part of their con on Jack.I'd say we know that just from the book club scene and what came after it, and enough other scenes where Jack isn't even present.. It seems pretty well established that something is going on between the two, whether it be a power struggle, some relationship, or something else - and whatever it is isn't just show for Jack.

(I've read the entire friggin post.. couldn't go home because of it. Other have said something similar - their opinions are relevant, and I appreciated them. I am not more important, nor are my thoughts, but I posted my similar thoughts here as well.. after 45 minutes of catching up)

[jkeegan]

Does anyone suppose that the news releases about the traffic violations are fake? A ruse by the show's creators, which give us a goofy sort of hint as to who is going to bite it next?Absolutely, I thought that very thing when I heard in this thread that Eko's actor had had a traffic incident too (albeit jokingly). I wonder if there's any legal problem with having a police department "play along" if no one complains..

[jkeegan]

I was thinking it might be jkeegan wearing the patch in the hatch. ;)Arrrrrrrrrr, matey!

My wife's birthday (Sept 19th) is Talk Like a Pirate day. :eek:

[unicorngoddess]

I wasn't saying the mountain was a seperate island. I was saying that the hight of the mountains obstructs our view so we can't see if the ocean stops and curves around "both" islands (making them one island) or if there is channel seperating the two bodies of land making them two seperate islands. In other words, you can't tell from thepicture either way because there's a mountain blocking the view.

BUT from the looks of that picture we could probably assume that the high peak in the picture is the same one they took Sawyer on a hike to. And from there he saw a channel of water seperating the two bodies of land making them two seperate islands.

[johnperkins21]

I wasn't saying the mountain was a seperate island. I was saying that the hight of the mountains obstructs our view so we can't see if the ocean stops and curves around "both" islands (making them one island) or if there is channel seperating the two bodies of land making them two seperate islands. In other words, you can't tell from thepicture either way because there's a mountain blocking the view.

BUT from the looks of that picture we could probably assume that the high peak in the picture is the same one they took Sawyer on a hike to. And from there he saw a channel of water seperating the two bodies of land making them two seperate islands.

If that is the case, how did Ethan "run" to the crash site as Benry suggested? Wouldn't he have had to swim? And he was dry when the worst actress ever saw him. Nope. One island in that photo.

[LordKronos]

BUT from the looks of that picture we could probably assume that the high peak in the picture is the same one they took Sawyer on a hike to. And from there he saw a channel of water seperating the two bodies of land making them two seperate islands.

Maybe you could, but I doubt you'd be right. Every mountain you see in that photo is quite large. Go back and watch the end of episode 4 (if you haven't deleted it).

a) Sawyer doesn't seem to be standing that high above the water. Maybe 300-400 feet at best.

b) from where sawyer was standing at the end of that episode, it was pretty clear that he was well below the elevation of the mountains he was staring at across the water. If the second island were behind the mountains shown in my picture, it certainly wouldn't be visible in that picture.

[stellie93]

So are we supposed to believe Ben would go to all this trouble to get a surgeon who he may not even be able to trust, when he has a submarine and a sailboat and seems to be in communication with the real world? Why not just make a quick trip to the nearest populated island and fly from there to Austrailia, have the surgery, and come home? Plus he will really have trouble convincing Jack he can take him back to Boston, if he won't or can't leave the island to save his own life.

This "pirate" whose glass eye may have been in the arrow hatch--did he come from the Black Rock? Wasn't it supposed to be a pirate ship 500 years ago or something? So are we getting into questions of time travel again? The Others seem to be living in the '60's and this guy is still hundreds of years before that? OK, he's looking into a TV camera, so maybe not. :confused:

[modnar]

So are we supposed to believe Ben would go to all this trouble to get a surgeon who he may not even be able to trust, when he has a submarine and a sailboat and seems to be in communication with the real world? Why not just make a quick trip to the nearest populated island and fly from there to Austrailia, have the surgery, and come home? Plus he will really have trouble convincing Jack he can take him back to Boston, if he won't or can't leave the island to save his own life.
That is bothering me, too. If Ben has communication/access to the outside world like they have claimed (they even claim to have sent Michael and Walt on a path to rescue), why not have the surgery done in "civilization"?

[super dave]

Shiny!
MMMMMMMMM a nice new shiny set. :p

[GadgetFreak]

Eko's ticket (can't remeber or spell the actor's name) was a minor violation that was dropped. Not a DUI, like the other two. Also, the actors who play Sawyer, Charlie, and I think one other have gotten speeding tickets and haven't been killed off.


Oh no... they are going to die?!! please spoilerize! ;)

[Rob Helmerichs]

Didn't Sawyer die briefly, and then Jack brought him back?

[Delta13]

speaking of spoilers. Next week we see the continuation of
the guy from the others having a real boner to kill Sawyer. Why is this guy so obsessed with killing him. Sawyer didn't kill his wife. He wan't to kill him over a broken nose? That is a bit much. Spoilerizing response ...This was one of my MAJOR problems with the previous episode. If you'll pardon, the attack on Sawyer was heavy-handed, made no sense, and the whole "Do you love him" bit sent me way off to eye-rolling land.

Sawyer doesn't need to be beat up to be antagonistic. I will not look forward to have this theme revisited!

[madscientist]

The Others have pagan funerals, apparently. Cheesy neo-pagan funerals. Their funeral rites don't support the theory that they are descended from the four-toed statue culture--unless they were converted by Dharma hippies.??? How do we know the four-toed statue culture doesn't have pagan viking funerals?

[madscientist]

I don't. I think both could be true. 1) There is truly some discord between them that goes back to before the plane crash and 2) They are currently playing Jack, as they might have done numerous times in the past with any number of outsiders. One thing that is clear is that the Others have dealt with outsiders many times before. There's a big difference between the two of them not seeing eye to eye (pun intended) on everything and her wanting him dead. Thus, I don't think it's fair to say that just because Ben and Julia didn't get along before the plane crash they are incapable of working towards a common goal regarding Jack just because said goal also involves giving the appearance of a rift.I agree completely (and with your subsequent similar post).

Just because Juliet and Benry are conspiring together doesn't mean EVERYTHING they do has to be part of the consipiracy. They could (probably do) genuinely dislike each other; they could be having a power struggle of some kind; they obviously are simply taking advantage of situations that appear: they're not concocting some elaborate plot as they cackle together every night over hot toddies.

Getting from a power struggle and some kind of relationship issue to Juliet trying to convince Jack to off Benry on the operating table is a big leap for me. I feel it's more likely they're working together on this.

[Delta13]

Someone else has healed quickly from injury on the island. And it's none other than Ben himself! He had an arrow shot clean through him, but he seemed to do pretty well, pretty quickly. And shows no issues from it at all. (not to mention getting the c-r-a-p kicked out him by Sayid)

So ironically, Jack has already done surgery on him. A bit minor compared to spinal surgery, but hey. Most things are. :eek:

[Delta13]

??? How do we know the four-toed statue culture doesn't have pagan viking funerals?C'mon, everyone knows that pagan viking rituals use 6-toed statues and figurines. It was on the Discovery Channel just this morning. ;) :D ;)

Actually, a very good question. But I think the viking stuff comes the Hanso Danish side of the house, and not whoever built the statue(s) once upon a time ago. Hanso doesn't strike me a statue builder.

[rgr]

Since they were yanked out of the sky by a big magnetic pulse caused by the scottish bloke (I think I have that right) couldn't the healing be caused by the magnetism's effect on their bodies? Hmmm. Maybe those magnetic belts and rings and stuff work after all!

Since Eko was a thug and a thief back home, shouldn't this episode's title be "Smokey and the Bandit"? And could that be a clue that eyepatch man is Burt Reynolds?

[wprager]

C'mon, everyone knows that pagan viking rituals use 6-toed statues and figurines. It was on the Discovery Channel just this morning. ;) :D ;)

Actually, a very good question. But I think the viking stuff comes the Hanso Danish side of the house, and not whoever built the statue(s) once upon a time ago. Hanso doesn't strike me a statue builder.
I thought the funeral was more along Indian themes (setting the body on fire in a boat floating -- except it was an ocean and the Ganges river. Too bad the didn't throw Dennis on there in the sati tradition :D

An Indian theme goes well with Dharma and the whole "Namaste" thing.

[drew2k]

Regarding "Benry" ... I really wish everyone would stop using that name to refer to "present-day" Ben. If you want to use "Benry" to refer to the time when Ben assumed the identity of Hernry Gale and was captured by the Losties, that's fine.

However, Benry has left the hatch and Ben is here. Get used to it!

[mqpickles]

Regarding "Benry" ... I really wish everyone would stop using that name to refer to "present-day" Ben. If you want to use "Benry" to refer to the time when Ben assumed the identity of Hernry Gale and was captured by the Losties, that's fine.

However, Benry has left the hatch and Ben is here. Get used to it!

Well said, Drew2006. :)

[madscientist]

Too bad. I like Benry. Benry, Benry, Benry, Benry! Get used to that!
Neener neener!







:p :D

[markz]

Well said, Drew2006. :)

:up: :p

[drew2k]

Well said, Drew2006. :)Oh, is that like a ... promotion or something?! :p

[Fool Me Twice]

??? How do we know the four-toed statue culture doesn't have pagan viking funerals?I guess we don't, but, it would be very unlikely that an ancient polynesian culture would have a specific european element. *

It was an assumption I had that the four-toed statue culture would be polynesian in origin. Although the funeral boat looked like a polynesian craft, the tunics they wore looked Indian to me.

My first thought was that they were imitating a viking funeral and it was that "viking" western element, mixed with the Dharmic (as in Indian) elements, that gave me the impression that it was some neopagan hodgepodge religion. But, someone above said that Indians also do this. So, now I think it was almost wholly Dharmic.

Anyway, I don't think that this really much to the debate (was there a debate?) on wether they are remnants of the Dharma Initiative or descendants of the island culture that have taken over the Dharma Initiative since there is other stronger evidence that are of recent American origin: they speak American English, their village imitates an American town, they have western physical characteristics... You know, the obvious stuff.

What it may show, though, is that they have not abandoned their own culture for another one. The Dharma Initiative may be dead, but I don't think they've been corrupted by the island. If they had been, I think we would have seen a different sort of funeral.

This is all just an impression really, and not very well thought out I'm afraid...


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* The Waponi prove that this is not impossible.
http://www.mindspring.com/~waponi/jpg/ben01.jpg

[milo99]

Originally Posted by 3D
Surprised nobody's mentioned this, but haven't we already learned that the Island cures illnesses such as cancer? Rose anyone? Locke? Unless Ben is immune to the effects of the island having lived there his entire life, it seems to me that even if he did get cancer, he needn't fear it for very long. As the only doctor amongst the others is a fertility doctor, it stands to reason that they haven't had to deal with too much disease, which would support the argument that the Others do benefit from the Island's apparent healing powers.


This is exactly what I thought when Jack first mentioned the tumor. I thought, well the tumor is definitely gone by now if it's someone one the island. This is just another one of those moments that tells me the writers have no idea where they're going with this.



The Island has healed Locke and Rose. Maybe it only heals people who deserve to be healed.

There's also Jin, who may or may not deserve it, but we're not sure if he was actually healed or if his wife is carrying someone else's baby.

The island heals people, but it also (according to Rousseau) causes people to get sick.
Kind of along the lines of what aindik said - UNLESS the island only cures GOOD people. Rose and Locke could be good guys, while Ben is bad, and thus not getting healed??

[milo99]

(I've read the entire friggin post.. couldn't go home because of it. Other have said something similar - their opinions are relevant, and I appreciated them. I am not more important, nor are my thoughts, but I posted my similar thoughts here as well.. after 45 minutes of catching up)
:p
just use that as your sig from now :D

[Martin Tupper]

Eyepatch:
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OMG, it's Commandant Edwin Spangler!

[unicorngoddess]

That is bothering me, too. If Ben has communication/access to the outside world like they have claimed (they even claim to have sent Michael and Walt on a path to rescue), why not have the surgery done in "civilization"?

Maybe DHARMA doesn't have the best insurance policy so he can't afford it...next best thing, kidnap a spinal surgeon that just so happened to fall in your lap and get him on your side and make him want to do the surgery out of the kindness of his heart. Then later there won't be a big hospital bill to pay :D

Can I list my own pet peeve now? It's DHARMA not Dharma.

I'll spoilerize it since this came from the lost experience over the summer: DEPARTMENT of HEURISTICS AND RESEARCH on MATERIAL APPLICATIONS.

[gchance]

Someone else has healed quickly from injury on the island. And it's none other than Ben himself! He had an arrow shot clean through him, but he seemed to do pretty well, pretty quickly. And shows no issues from it at all. (not to mention getting the c-r-a-p kicked out him by Sayid)

I dunno, arrow wounds heal pretty quickly. Just ask Oliver Queen.

Greg

[gchance]

Can I list my own pet peeve now? It's DHARMA not Dharma.

Oh. One of THOSE people. Just don't tell people it's the PERL hatch.

Greg

[Rob Helmerichs]

Can I list my own pet peeve now? It's DHARMA not Dharma.
Actually, that would make it D.H.A.R.M.A.

[Figaro]

What would Jenna Elfman have to say about all this?

[unicorngoddess]

Actually, that would make it D.H.A.R.M.A.

I've seen it both ways, but it is an acronym so it still wouldn't be Dharma.

[DevdogAZ]

OMG, it's Commandant Edwin Spangler!
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4540698&#post4540698

[Cboath]

Eyepatch:
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He reminds me of Everett McGill (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0569239/).

The eyepatch fits so well with his part in Silver Bullet. :D

[Rob Helmerichs]

I've seen it both ways, but it is an acronym so it still wouldn't be Dharma.
I'm just sayin', an acronym wouldn't be either Dharma or DHARMA. So if you're going to be wrong, what does it matter which way you're wrong? You can be wrong the way everybody else is, or you can be wrong your own way!

(OK, I'm being pedantic. But hey, as SparkleMotion can attest--I have a Ph.D.! I've got to use it for SOMETHING! Or should I say, S.O.M.E.T.H.I.N.G.?)

[chavez]

I'm just sayin', an acronym wouldn't be either Dharma or DHARMA.

not true. it's common usage to omit periods in acronyms.

[unicorngoddess]

Well, you could be wrong the Hollywood way. We have CSI: Miami and such...not C.S.I.: Miami.

[getreal]

And he was dry when the worst actress ever saw him.

Now, how in the world would you know when Kathy Griffin or Roseanne Barr or Jessica Simpson saw the Ethan character (Tom Cruise's actor cousin Mr. Mapother)? :p

[DevdogAZ]

I'm just sayin', an acronym wouldn't be either Dharma or DHARMA. So if you're going to be wrong, what does it matter which way you're wrong? You can be wrong the way everybody else is, or you can be wrong your own way!

(OK, I'm being pedantic. But hey, as SparkleMotion can attest--I have a Ph.D.! I've got to use it for SOMETHING! Or should I say, S.O.M.E.T.H.I.N.G.?)
How about SCUBA? Have you ever seen it written S.C.U.B.A.?

[markz]

What would Jenna Elfman have to say about all this?

"No, YOU shut up!"

[markz]

How about SCUBA? Have you ever seen it written S.C.U.B.A.?

NATO and NASA are two others that don't use periods.

[johnperkins21]

NATO and NASA are two others that don't use periods.

And NASCAR, NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, etc., etc., ad nauseum. :p

[BrettStah]

NATO and NASA are two others that don't use periods.
And the BBC spells those as "Nato" and "Nasa", IIRC.

[Martin Tupper]

OMG, it's Commandant Edwin Spangler!http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4540698&#post4540698
Does it still count as a smeek if the OP doesn't name the character, the actor, or even the correct rank?

[DevdogAZ]

Does it still count as a smeek if the OP doesn't name the character, the actor, or even the correct rank?
Good point. You are forgiven. ;)

[Martin Tupper]

And the BBC spells those as "Nato" and "Nasa", IIRC.
Shouldn't that be the "Bbc"?

[gchance]

I'm just sayin', an acronym wouldn't be either Dharma or DHARMA. So if you're going to be wrong, what does it matter which way you're wrong? You can be wrong the way everybody else is, or you can be wrong your own way!

(OK, I'm being pedantic. But hey, as SparkleMotion can attest--I have a Ph.D.! I've got to use it for SOMETHING! Or should I say, S.O.M.E.T.H.I.N.G.?)

Isn't English wonderful? It's evolving constantly, unlike that pesky Latin that never changes.

An acronym is defined as pronouncable, but in today's usage, other terms are considered "acronyms" as well. To be truly technical, CSI is not an acronym, just an abbreviation (it's "cee ess eye"), while SCUBA *is*.

Oh yeah, who writes SCUBA anymore? Everyone writes Scuba. So there.

(S)elf (C)ontained (U)nderwater (B)reathing (A)pparatus

Greg

[LordKronos]

Oh. One of THOSE people. Just don't tell people it's the PERL hatch.

OK! OK! I get it...I screwed up. How many weeks ago was that, and I'm still being dragged through the mud for it? :p

[Lee L]

IBM.

[Figaro]

IBM.
Irritable Bowel Movement?

[catcard]

If that is the case, how did Ethan "run" to the crash site as Benry suggested? Wouldn't he have had to swim? And he was dry when the worst actress ever saw him. Nope. One island in that photo.

I believe from last week's episode there was mention of a submarine so the Others (Ethan and the other guy) could have taken the sub over to the other island when the plane crashed. I am not convinced that it is one island in that photo.

[lew]

I believe from last week's episode there was mention of a submarine so the Others (Ethan and the other guy) could have taken the sub over to the other island when the plane crashed. I am not convinced that it is one island in that photo.

Ben told Sawyer they were on a prison island. It's possible the others "village" is on the main island.

[mqpickles]

Irritable Bowel Movement?


We have now reached the weekly IDOL: Inevitable Derailment Of Lost-thread.

[Yeah, Lost-thread should be two words. It was the best I could come up with quickly. I have a job to get back to; cut me some slack.]

[Jericho Dog]

(I've read the entire friggin post.. couldn't go home because of it. Other have said something similar - their opinions are relevant, and I appreciated them. I am not more important, nor are my thoughts, but I posted my similar thoughts here as well.. after 45 minutes of catching up)seventy five syllables
they explain it all

:D

[Jericho Dog]

Originally Posted by gchance
Oh. One of THOSE people. Just don't tell people it's the PERL hatch.OK! OK! I get it...I screwed up. How many weeks ago was that, and I'm still being dragged through the mud for it? :pThat's ok as long as you tell people in which hatch the interpreter is located.

[markz]

Shouldn't that be the "Bbc"?

Or B.B.C.?

[zordude]

I believe from last week's episode there was mention of a submarine so the Others (Ethan and the other guy) could have taken the sub over to the other island when the plane crashed. I am not convinced that it is one island in that photo.

They better have 2 subs then, because they ran in different directions.

Also didn't Ben say to one of them "If you run, you can be there in an hour" or something? If he runs on water I'd like to see it.

Z

[LordKronos]

It's possible the others "village" is on the main island.

Possible??? :confused: POSSIBLE????? :eek: AARRRRRRRRRRHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

I suppose it's also possible that Jack breathes to survive.

[Figaro]

Possible??? :confused: POSSIBLE????? :eek: AARRRRRRRRRRHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

I suppose it's also possible that Jack breathes to survive.
Oh great! Now I know that Jack breathes! Spoiler tags please!!!!

[markz]

Oh great! Now I know that Jack breathes! Spoiler tags please!!!!

Does he use S.c.U.b.A. gear?

[unicorngoddess]

Does he use S.c.U.b.A. gear?

No, but maybe he used the scuba.

[Jericho Dog]

I think this forum now has more mysteries than the show!

[Jericho Dog]

Eyepatch:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1191&pos=486
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x05-cost/3/normal_costoflivingcap488.jpgI'm surprised that Col. Tigh noticed the camera, what will all that drinking......

"Toaster lovers!!"

:D

[NoThru22]

Now, how in the world would you know when Kathy Griffin or Roseanne Barr or Jessica Simpson saw the Ethan character (Tom Cruise's actor cousin Mr. Mapother)? :p
It was Goodwin they were discussing, not Ethan. :D

[TAsunder]

I've been thinking about this for a few days, and I must say, I don't really see a huge resemblence between Juliet and Jack's wife. They are both blonde and pretty. Is that the full gist of the resemblence?

They should have tripped us up big time and had the same actress who played Jack's wife play Juliet. Or Dennis Haysbert.

[getreal]

It was Goodwin they were discussing, not Ethan. :D


If that is the case, how did Ethan "run" to the crash site as Benry suggested? Wouldn't he have had to swim? And he was dry when the worst actress ever saw him. Nope. One island in that photo.

Now, how in the world would you know when Kathy Griffin or Roseanne Barr or Jessica Simpson saw the Ethan character (Tom Cruise's actor cousin Mr. Mapother)?

Nope. You stand corrected. :p

[unicorngoddess]

I've been thinking about this for a few days, and I must say, I don't really see a huge resemblence between Juliet and Jack's wife. They are both blonde and pretty. Is that the full gist of the resemblence?

They should have tripped us up big time and had the same actress who played Jack's wife play Juliet. Or Dennis Haysbert.

When I first saw Juliet I thought she was Desmond's girl.

[tivoboyjr]

I've been thinking about this for a few days, and I must say, I don't really see a huge resemblence between Juliet and Jack's wife. They are both blonde and pretty. Is that the full gist of the resemblence?

I don't really get what Ben was after by saying that. They don't look that much alike and it's not like Ben chose Juliet out of thousands of "other" women because she looked the most like Jack's ex. Juliet is much more attractive than Jack's ex - maybe that's how Ben should have said it.

[TAsunder]

I don't really get what Ben was after by saying that. They don't look that much alike and it's not like Ben chose Juliet out of thousands of "other" women because she looked the most like Jack's ex. Juliet is much more attractive than Jack's ex - maybe that's how Ben should have said it.

I thought the implication was, Jack would be unnerved or somehow attached to her more because she looks "so much" like Jack's ex that it would help break him. I kept thinking of the Vladimir Nabokov book where a guy is convinced someone looks just like him and plots a murder with his "twin" as the scapegoat, then it turns out they look nothing alike.

[stellie93]

When Juliet came in with her "movie" what was she going to do if Jack said,"Great, I love To Kill a Mockingbird." She didn't have the audio of the movie over her flashcards did she? Imagine what Ben would do if he caught her--assuming the whole thing is on the level.

When the fog said, " you talk to me like I was your brother" or whatever, it seemed to not understand why he was doing that. Like it had not purposely taken that shape, but maybe Echo projected his brother on it himself. Does each person see whatever is in their mind in the fog?

[madscientist]

IOh yeah, who writes SCUBA anymore? Everyone writes Scuba. So there.

(S)elf (C)ontained (U)nderwater (B)reathing (A)pparatusOh MAN! I can't believe you posted that, spoiler tags or not! Dang this whole thing is ruined for me now. Argh!!









:D

[LordKronos]

When the fog said, " you talk to me like I was your brother" or whatever, it seemed to not understand why he was doing that. Like it had not purposely taken that shape, but maybe Echo projected his brother on it himself. Does each person see whatever is in their mind in the fog?

Thats one possibility. Another is that the smoke monster assumed Eko realized what it was. After all, he had repeatedly encountered the smoke monster earlier in the day. At one point, the monster was following him, and then right after that he had the vision of the young alter boy telling him to confess.

Now the smoke monster's like "oh, wow.....I thought you knew.....this.....this is awkward" :o

[balboa dave]

I don't really get what Ben was after by saying that. They don't look that much alike and it's not like Ben chose Juliet out of thousands of "other" women because she looked the most like Jack's ex. Juliet is much more attractive than Jack's ex - maybe that's how Ben should have said it.There have been a bunch of posts where people thought the two characters looked alike, but whether they look alike or not, I don't think that was the important point of this scene. It was that Ben knows who Jack's wife is. How could he know unless they were studying the lostaways for some time? Perhaps even before they came to the island.

[tivoboyjr]

There have been a bunch of posts where people thought the two characters looked alike, but whether they look alike or not, I don't think that was the important point of this scene. It was that Ben knows who Jack's wife is. How could he know unless they were studying the lostaways for some time? Perhaps even before they came to the island.

That wasn't exactly news, though. Juliet not only knows who Jack's ex-wife is, she knows that his ex is "happy."

[LordKronos]

What pissed me off most is that they re-ran some of the tedious back story with Eko... As if watching it once wasn't boring enough.

It was an entire 50 seconds or recap.



Did they really need 30 minutes of setup to kill him? "Here you go, idiot viewers, invest more time into watching about this guy... oh oops, f--k you, he's dead." So in this episode they killed a character that evidently didn't mean much of anything to the overall story. Next week had better be really good because my patience with endless new mysteries of the week that have no resolution has just about reached its limit.

OK, we needed all this for a few reasons. If they are going to kill off Eko, they need to wrap up the loose end of why did he start building the church. Yeah, we know...for his brother, but I always thought that was just "I got him killed...this is how I can honor his memory".

Second, Eko's whole purpose in dying was to give us a better understanding of the smoke monster. We now have some idea of what it's up to. The problem is, if they didn't give us some more backstory, and Eko had said "I'm not sorry" I'd have been thinking "what a prick...sure he saved his brother from having to kill, but other than that, he led of life of crime, used his brother and made a mockery of his religion, got his brother killed over drugs, and he's not sorry for any of it....yes he deserves to die, and I HOPE HE BURNS IN HELL" :p

But now we see more of what happened. Eko realized they could really use a lot more than the 20% of the vaccine they were permitted to keep. Now this is open to interpretation, but I interpreted it as he went and made it known he was going to sell the vaccine to draw that gang to come to him so he could fix the problem.

We also had the clip of the young Eko stealing food for his brother, showing that his belief of "I won't be sorry for trying to help someone else" goes way back.

So now we understand not just that you need to be sorry for your sins, but that you need to be pure enough of heart that you even feel bad for wronging those who wronged you first. Kind of a "mark of a true saint" thing.

[LordKronos]

* Smoke monster or not, why is Yemmi's body gone?

Haven't seen anyone address this. Can't say I can figure it out either. The only thing I could think is that it was never his body to begin with, and it was the smoke monster all along. But then what about the other drug dealer "priest" and the plane with all the drugs too....were those all made up by the smoke monster/island too? If not, it doesn't make sense....where the Yemmi's real body? If so, now we are really looking at "does anything on the island even exist" and were kind of back to a purgatory-like theme. I'm not happy with either of those, because one way feels like a giant plot hole, and the other way feels like a cop out and is not where I hope the series is going (it's all a magical afterlife where nothing needs to make sense).

So where are the bones? It doesn't look like the fire burned hot enough to incinerate them. Eko and Locke had to remove the rocks before they could even get into the plane, so I don't buy the "some animal got in there and took the bones" idea.

[LordKronos]

That wasn't exactly news, though. Juliet not only knows who Jack's ex-wife is, she knows that his ex is "happy."

Yeah, but anybody could have just made that up. Knowing what she looks like, assuming there were no pictures of her on the plane that the others found means that they actually do have some info on his ex-wife.

[aindik]

Haven't seen anyone address this. Can't say I can figure it out either. The only thing I could think is that it was never his body to begin with, and it was the smoke monster all along. But then what about the other drug dealer "priest" and the plane with all the drugs too....were those all made up by the smoke monster/island too? If not, it doesn't make sense....where the Yemmi's real body? If so, now we are really looking at "does anything on the island even exist" and were kind of back to a purgatory-like theme. I'm not happy with either of those, because one way feels like a giant plot hole, and the other way feels like a cop out and is not where I hope the series is going (it's all a magical afterlife where nothing needs to make sense).

So where are the bones? It doesn't look like the fire burned hot enough to incinerate them. Eko and Locke had to remove the rocks before they could even get into the plane, so I don't buy the "some animal got in there and took the bones" idea.

Other people saw Yemmi's body. It was "real." The cross the found around his neck was "real" too. Locke found it in the jungle.

Where is it? Who knows. Eko did set the plane on fire last time we saw it.

[PotentiallyCoherent]

Or might they be working together after all? Good cop, bad cop.

Oh, and I liked that Ben said "Didn't you notice how much Juliet looks like your ex-wife?" I couldnt' help saying, "A lot of other people noticed."

Didn't you also think, wow, what a coincidence that a long time resident of the island looks like Jacks wife and can be used in this plot?

[jkeegan]

Didn't you also think, wow, what a coincidence that a long time resident of the island looks like Jacks wife and can be used in this plot?Don't mistake coincidence for fate.

[NoThru22]

Originally Posted by johnperkins21
If that is the case, how did Ethan "run" to the crash site as Benry suggested? Wouldn't he have had to swim? And he was dry when the worst actress ever saw him. Nope. One island in that photo.

Originally Posted by getreal
Now, how in the world would you know when Kathy Griffin or Roseanne Barr or Jessica Simpson saw the Ethan character (Tom Cruise's actor cousin Mr. Mapother)?

Nope. You stand corrected. :p
Nope, I still don't stand corrected. Just because johnp mistakenly said Ethan in the first post, he mentioned the worst actress in the world noticing he was dry. That is Ana-Lucia that noticed Goodwin was dry in the Other 48 Days. Bow down!

[Delta13]

I dunno, arrow wounds heal pretty quickly. Just ask Oliver Queen.

GregHey now, don't be bringing the Hero into the Lost thread!!! :D

I don't really get what Ben was after by saying that. They don't look that much alike and it's not like Ben chose Juliet out of thousands of "other" women because she looked the most like Jack's ex. Juliet is much more attractive than Jack's ex - maybe that's how Ben should have said it.How about Ben is just a little jealous? No one's hit on that reason yet.

Other people saw Yemmi's body. It was "real." The cross the found around his neck was "real" too. Locke found it in the jungle.

Where is it? Who knows. Eko did set the plane on fire last time we saw it.Makes you wonder what happened to the body of Jack's father now, doesn't it?

[TAsunder]

Didn't you also think, wow, what a coincidence that a long time resident of the island looks like Jacks wife and can be used in this plot?

No, because other than being blonde and pretty, they look nothing alike. Holy cow, isn't anyone else thinking, wow, ben and desmond look alike?!

[BrettStah]

No, because other than being blonde and pretty, they look nothing alike.
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Maybe I'm unusual, but I can see some things in common between them (jawlines/cheeks are similar, for example).
Holy cow, isn't anyone else thinking, wow, ben and desmond look alike?!
I think Julie Bowen and Elizabeth Mitchell look a lot more alike than do the actors who play Ben and Desmond.

[MamaKAS]

I didn't know that he wanted out of the show. Do you know why he wanted out? Knowing that makes me feel better because I think killing him was a mistake, but at least it let's the writers/producers off the hook- kind of...

As for the way the did it, I thought it was really well done.

Didn't see this alluded to yet as to why he wanted off:


http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2006-11-01-eko-lost_x.htm


As for the guy with the patch, he looks exactly like Michael Ironside:

http://www.northernstars.ca/actorsghi/Media/ironside_michael_early.jpg
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x05-cost/3/normal_costoflivingcap488.jpg

[Fish Man]

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Maybe I'm unusual, but I can see some things in common between them (jawlines/cheeks are similar, for example).

I think Julie Bowen and Elizabeth Mitchell look a lot more alike than do the actors who play Ben and Desmond.

While I do see that resemblance, on the first episode of this season, I saw a much stronger resemblance between Elizabeth Mithcell and Sonya Walger Who played "Penny", wealthy heiress and Desmond's former girlfriend, who we learn in the Season 2 finale is using sophisticated magnetic anomaly detection technology to locate him.

In fact, briefly during the first episode, I thought it WAS Penny!

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[drew2k]

As for the guy with the patch, he looks exactly like Michael Ironside:

http://www.northernstars.ca/actorsghi/Media/ironside_michael_early.jpg
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x05-cost/3/normal_costoflivingcap488.jpg
Good call - I think we have a winner!

(My brother thinks EyePatch is Kevin Tighe, who played Locke's father, but that's a major stretch, even for THIS mysterious island...)

[Alpinemaps]

In fact, briefly during the first episode, I thought it WAS Penny!

I'm glad I'm not alone in this. The minute or two of the opening, I wondered if we were seeing Penny.

[BrettStah]

While I do see that resemblance, on the first episode of this season, I saw a much stronger resemblance between Elizabeth Mithcell and Sonya Walger Who played "Penny", wealthy heiress and Desmond's former girlfriend, who we learn in the Season 2 finale is using sophisticated magnetic anomaly detection technology to locate him.

In fact, briefly during the first episode, I thought it WAS Penny!

http://content.tvguide.com/NR/rdonlyres/C29B6BCD-2C64-4EE3-93B7-CF7B220AAFEF/13295/061101interview1.jpghttp://www.makeup411.com/images/beauty_breakdown/Coupling_Sonya.jpg
Yep, I had that same confusion too, now that I think about it!

[5thcrewman]

NATO and NASA are two others that don't use periods.
What about the LPGA?? :rolleyes:

[getreal]

... young alter boy ...

An "alter boy" would be a pre-op transsexual, but an "altar boy" is the tempting jailbait which so many priests can't resist. :cool:

[getreal]

Nope, I still don't stand corrected. Just because johnp mistakenly said Ethan in the first post, he mentioned the worst actress in the world noticing he was dry. That is Ana-Lucia that noticed Goodwin was dry in the Other 48 Days. Bow down!

You make too many mistaken ASSumptions.
"Ethan" was specifically referred to, so that is not in question.
And in my response I jokingly filled in the blank about the identity of the un-named "worst actress".
End of discussion. :cool: :D :p

[scheckeNYK]

What about the LPGA?? :rolleyes:

this bit of wit was worth quoting and seeing again. i hope other people got the joke! BRAVO!

[LordKronos]

An "alter boy" would be a pre-op transsexual, but an "altar boy" is the tempting jailbait which so many priests can't resist. :cool:

:p

[zobetron]

http://medias.ados.fr/articles/jpg/meredith.jpg
http://content.tvguide.com/NR/rdonlyres/C29B6BCD-2C64-4EE3-93B7-CF7B220AAFEF/13295/061101interview1.jpg

[NoThru22]

I think Juliet looks JUST like the wife from the Santa Clause. Who's with me?

[Rob Helmerichs]

I think she looks exactly like Miss Sally Danforth of Omaha, Nebraska.

[BeanMeScot]

This is exactly what I thought when Jack first mentioned the tumor. I thought, well the tumor is definitely gone by now if it's someone one the island. This is just another one of those moments that tells me the writers have no idea where they're going with this.

When Rose went to the "healer" he told her that though there are places in the world where healing takes place, those places won't heal all people. He told her his spot would not cure her but the Island did. So the island won't cure Benry. There could be another spot that would. (Sorry if this is a Smeek, I haven't finished the thread).

[Figaro]

There is no BENRY! There is only BEN:p

[markz]

this bit of wit was worth quoting and seeing again. i hope other people got the joke! BRAVO!

Ah, I get it now that you made me think about it!

[astrohip]

I kept thinking of the Vladimir Nabokov book where a guy is convinced someone looks just like him and plots a murder with his "twin" as the scapegoat, then it turns out they look nothing alike.

Spoiler tags please.

Scratch another book off the To-Do list... :D

[jlb]

Did anyone else think that maybe Juliette's little message to Jack is just another trick? Maybe Jack seeing the X-rays, and Ben "coming clean" to Jack are just another part of their plan.

+1....My thoughts exactly......

One thought I have been tossing around too, and my apologies if it is a smeek, but I sort of think that maybe Juliet is the true leader of the Others. They just portray Ben as the leader for whatever reasons they deem necessary....

[ScottE22]

http://medias.ados.fr/articles/jpg/meredith.jpg
http://content.tvguide.com/NR/rdonlyres/C29B6BCD-2C64-4EE3-93B7-CF7B220AAFEF/13295/061101interview1.jpg

Do NOT insult Juliet that way.. :p

Meredith needs a few (dozen) more cheeseburgers before she'll look that good...

[unicorngoddess]

In fact, briefly during the first episode, I thought it WAS Penny!

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Good. I was beginning to think I was the only one that thought that.

[drew2k]

Hey, if we're going to compare, might as well compare them all!

Jack's ex (Julie Bowen), Jack's jailer (Elizabeth Mitchell), Penelope (Sonya Walger), and the Gray's chick (Ellen Pompeo - who does look a bit like Sonya Walger):

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[Figaro]

Aside from similarly colored hair they really don't look alike. You folks need to pay more attention to hot chicks.

[madscientist]

I think Ellen Pompeo and Elizabeth Mitchell look a lot alike. Especially in these pictures.

The others... not so much.

However, Ellen Pompeo's voice is so distinctive that I don't see how you could ever mistake the two.

[markz]

I think Ellen Pompeo and Elizabeth Mitchell look a lot alike. Especially in these pictures.

The others... not so much.

However, Ellen Pompeo's voice is so distinctive that I don't see how you could ever mistake the two.

I agree. They have similar smirks, similar eyes, etc.

[mark1278]

Is it possible that the smoke monster is a mechanical device (like a crane) surrounded by a swarm of something magnetic being controlled by a person?

Also, what happened to Rose?

[Figaro]

Is it possible that the smoke monster is a mechanical device (like a crane) surrounded by a swarm of something magnetic being controlled by a person?

Also, what happened to Rose?
No

and

Nothing.

[mark1278]

I think it is possible.

[drew2k]

Is it possible that the smoke monster is a mechanical device (like a crane) surrounded by a swarm of something magnetic being controlled by a person?This is LOST. Anything is possible! ;)Also, what happened to Rose?I think Rose and Bernard like the island so much that they became healthier and trimmer, and instead of tanning, the mysterious Island forces bleached Rose's skin, but did allow Bernard's skin to darken slightly. Rose and Bernard now go by the names of Nikki and Paulo.

Nah, I kid. :D

I'm sure Rose is around, just in the background. You know, like Paulo and Nikki have been since the crash!

[Figaro]

I think it is possible.
How does a crane assume the form of a person? As well as move through the jungle at pretty high speeds?

[jkeegan]

We don't know that the smoke thing is the one taking on those shapes - just that it followed Eko while he was also seeing shapes..

(Insert some joke about the smoke monster being part of the journey here)

( :) )

We went through the smoke itself - there's "else" in it - but that smoke is able to project images (scenes from Eko's flashbacks), move around, physically grab things (e.g. picking Eko up), and possibly even read thoughts (although something else could be feeding it the images).

I'm gonna go out on a limb and agree - there's no crane. :)

[jkeegan]

So one of the thoughts I keep thinking back to is the comic book.. In the comic book,

well, I guess this should be spoilerized just in case, but I don't think so (please, no conversations about whether it's spoiler-worthy or not):


So in the book, two heroes captured an alien intelligent lifeform, which didn't actually have bad intentions.. They kept him against his will in a military-controlled bunker (this is all based on my memories - I could be off)..

I wonder if somewhere trapped on the island is some intelligence (maybe the island itself, maybe a being living somewhere, whatever), and the black smoke nanotech/whatever is an extension of it.. It's how it can see what's going on on the island, while the creature itself is held captive. The humans (Others) around it would be almost irrelevant - there for their own reasons - but the real interesting mystery could revolve around this captured thing and its interest in everything on the island.

Bottom line, the smoke thing and how it's judging Eko seems very different from the intentions and actions of the "Other" people on the island.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and agree - there's no crane. :)
But maybe there's a flamingo.

Not a pink flamingo, but a psychic flamingo.

Flamingo as theoretical construct.





Strange as it may seem, when I started that thought, I could have sworn it was going somewhere...

[MacThor]

You don't think they're going "Star Trek V" with this do you? :eek:

[jkeegan]

Hey.. What if we're being misled here..

The way they just set up this episode, it seems obvious that the smoke monster and Yemmi's appearances are closely related, right? But what if they aren't?

Perhaps the smoke monster was gonna be there anyway, and it's simple - it just kills people after they've crossed some line and went to some forbidden place or something..

Then, what if Yemmi's appearance and comments about "time to confess" were just because it knows Eko's about to go there to die...

In other words, maybe we were led to believe that the smoke monster and Yemmi's appearance were hand-in-hand (a collaboration, or the same thing), but in some later episode we find out the hallucinations are just extra, layered on top of real-world events..

(Walt appearing before Shannon before she's shot comes to mind, except that it seemed in that case like his appearance accidentally caused her to get shot)

[ScottE22]

(Walt appearing before Shannon before she's shot comes to mind, except that it seemed in that case like his appearance accidentally caused her to get shot)

But by your theory, how do we know Yemi didn't cause Eko to be killed by bringing him over the imaginary line in the sand? Interesting...

Is it Wednesday yet?

[gchance]

Just be forewarned. After Wednesday night we'll be split into two groups:

Group A: "WOW! This episode was great! HOLY CRAP! Can you believe that happened?!?! Oh my gosh, now we know X but we now want to know Y!" Group A, two weeks after Wednesday night: "Hey, are any of you guys watching Daybreak? It's not Lost, but it's pretty good and fills the slot. When's Lost starting back up anyway?" Group B, when Lost returns: "WOW! Can you believe the reason Taye Diggs was stuck in the time loop was he couldn't deal with not being able to watch Lost? I can't wait for tonight!"

Group B: That's it, I'm deleting my SP! We still don't know why Locke lost his ability to walk! We don't know ANYTHING! What was up with Penny in the S2 season finale? We still don't know! I hate this show!" Group B, two weeks after Wednesday night: "WTF??? Where's Lost? I'm about ready to delete my SP, I can never tell if Lost is on or not! With all these weeks without Lost, I'm starting to lose interest!" Group B, when Lost returns: "It better answer some questions, dammit, or I'm deleting my SP! Hey, does 24 start back up next week?"

You just watch.

Greg

[rkester]

Greg - lol.

I am still loving the show but MAN can they at least give us SOMETHING in answer form and stop throwing questions at us? :)

Get an answer for one thing, get 2930340928232113230984328 new questions. very frustrating.

[hefe]

Just be forewarned. After Wednesday night we'll be split into two groups:

Group A: "WOW! This episode was great! HOLY CRAP! Can you believe that happened?!?! Oh my gosh, now we know X but we now want to know Y!" Group A, two weeks after Wednesday night: "Hey, are any of you guys watching Daybreak? It's not Lost, but it's pretty good and fills the slot. When's Lost starting back up anyway?" Group B, when Lost returns: "WOW! Can you believe the reason Taye Diggs was stuck in the time loop was he couldn't deal with not being able to watch Lost? I can't wait for tonight!"

Group B: That's it, I'm deleting my SP! We still don't know why Locke lost his ability to walk! We don't know ANYTHING! What was up with Penny in the S2 season finale? We still don't know! I hate this show!" Group B, two weeks after Wednesday night: "WTF??? Where's Lost? I'm about ready to delete my SP, I can never tell if Lost is on or not! With all these weeks without Lost, I'm starting to lose interest!" Group B, when Lost returns: "It better answer some questions, dammit, or I'm deleting my SP! Hey, does 24 start back up next week?"

You just watch.

Greg
I'm so sick of people bringing up Daybreak in Lost threads.

:D

[gchance]

Get an answer for one thing, get 2930340928232113230984328 new questions. very frustrating.

Don't you mean 4,815,162,342 questions?

Greg

[Rob Helmerichs]

I'm so sick of people bringing up Daybreak in Lost threads.

:D
Ironic.

Considering Daybreak is the new...

...oh, never mind.

[CarynFromHermosa]

The LA Times ruined the surprise of the episode for me. I don't watch Lost until Saturday night. I opened the Friday Calendar section to a photo of AAA with a BIG BOLD caption below about Mr. Eko being killed. Still...I enjoyed the show.....

Note to LA Times Editor -- SPOILERIZE PLEASE! :eek:

[rkester]

Don't you mean 4,815,162,342 questions?

Greg

That was in Season 1.

#2 and 3 have really piled on the "wtf?" moments and questions fosho.

[Figaro]

The LA Times ruined the surprise of the episode for me. I don't watch Lost until Saturday night. I opened the Friday Calendar section to a photo of AAA with a BIG BOLD caption below about Mr. Eko being killed. Still...I enjoyed the show.....

Note to LA Times Editor -- SPOILERIZE PLEASE! :eek:
considering that most people actually watch the show when it is on, I think the LA Times is ok. If you don't watch shows on time then avoid news publications that cover entertainment. It already happened so for them it's news.

[rkester]

I watched about half of S2 and then avoided all spoilers for hte rest until the box set. I managed to not find out about anything on the show that whole time. Pretty difficult too when it makes front page on newsites!

There should be a spoiler for the biggies like deaths until you click thru to the article. IMHO just for those who time shitf their programming to watch later. I sometimes don't get to Lost until the weekend, I'd hate to have it ruined because of a news article.

[Figaro]

I watched about half of S2 and then avoided all spoilers for hte rest until the box set. I managed to not find out about anything on the show that whole time. Pretty difficult too when it makes front page on newsites!

There should be a spoiler for the biggies like deaths until you click thru to the article. IMHO just for those who time shitf their programming to watch later. I sometimes don't get to Lost until the weekend, I'd hate to have it ruined because of a news article.


How do you put spoiler tags on a newpaper?

Stop playing video games and watch your shows in a timely manner :p

[rkester]

Well, I don't mean actual spoiler tags, just don't put the big spoils in the headlines. :)

Make it so you have to goto the article to get the big news.

In the world of sports, you expect the score in the headline. IN the world of Lost and other mysterious shows, you should expect the score not in the headline. itms

[Rob Helmerichs]

When shows become news (like Lost), I make it a point to watch it as soon as possible after air-time. Otherwise, I have only myself to blame for what I might learn from the TiVo-less general public.

[johnperkins21]

The LA Times ruined the surprise of the episode for me. I don't watch Lost until Saturday night. I opened the Friday Calendar section to a photo of AAA with a BIG BOLD caption below about Mr. Eko being killed. Still...I enjoyed the show.....

Note to LA Times Editor -- SPOILERIZE PLEASE! :eek:

I did the same thing to my buddy here at work. On Friday at lunch, I asked him if he was still interested after they killed off Ecko (his favorite character). He was pissed. I had just assumed that he watched it since he almost always does on Wednesdays. One of the few times I didn't start out with asking if he'd watch, I just jumped right in with the spoiler. :o

[LordKronos]

In the world of sports, you expect the score in the headline. IN the world of Lost and other mysterious shows, you should expect the score not in the headline.

What happens if you TiVo the game?

Face it. For shows that get popular, you have to expect to watch them as soon as possible, and actively make an effort to avoid anywhere that you might hear spoilers (radio, discussions at work, etc).

[LordKronos]

I had just assumed that he watched it since he almost always does on Wednesdays. One of the few times I didn't start out with asking if he'd watch, I just jumped right in with the spoiler. :o

And you use Tivo...shame on you

[johnperkins21]

And you use Tivo...shame on you

And he's the one who turned me on to Tivo, so double shame.

[drew2k]

How do you put spoiler tags on a newpaper?I've seen some movement on this front, but usually it's for FUTURE spoilers, not for spoilers on episodes that have already aired. Some entertainment magazines and web sites will actually embed spoiler warnings at appropriate places in their articles, warning the reader a spoiler is coming and telling them to skip X paragraphs if they don't want to know. (Entertainment Weekly has done this.)

[betts4]

Spoiler, schmoiler. You guys that get pissed about spoilers are wimps. Yup. You know it.

I dont like them, don't read them if I get warned, but I sure don't have a hissy fit if someone tells me.

Geez. Lost is my favorite of all shows. If I missed watching an episode on Wednesday night, I would be all over my buddy at work that watches it to have him tell me what happened. I couldn't stand to NOT know. I wouldn't wait for him to tell me......not till friday. I would have to know. Then I would go home and watch it as soon as possible.

[CarynFromHermosa]

Spoiler, schmoiler. You guys that get pissed about spoilers are wimps. Yup. You know it.

I dont like them, don't read them if I get warned, but I sure don't have a hissy fit if someone tells me.

Geez. Lost is my favorite of all shows. If I missed watching an episode on Wednesday night, I would be all over my buddy at work that watches it to have him tell me what happened. I couldn't stand to NOT know. I wouldn't wait for him to tell me......not till friday. I would have to know. Then I would go home and watch it as soon as possible.

...I bet you've started searching for Xmas presents around the house already, too ;)

[TriBruin]

The LA Times ruined the surprise of the episode for me. I don't watch Lost until Saturday night. I opened the Friday Calendar section to a photo of AAA with a BIG BOLD caption below about Mr. Eko being killed. Still...I enjoyed the show.....

Note to LA Times Editor -- SPOILERIZE PLEASE! :eek:

Entertainment Weekly just had a big article about AAA and his death. Glad I watched the episode. :eek:

However, even though I have Tivo, there are certain shows that I watch live (or same day at worst) just because I don't want to be accidently spoiled while reading a newspaper or watching the next morning's news shows.

[mqpickles]

just don't put the big spoils in the headlines. :)I think that's a reasonable request

OTOH, who reads newspapers anymore? ;)
I've seen some movement on this front, but usually it's for FUTURE spoilers, not for spoilers on episodes that have already aired. Some entertainment magazines and web sites will actually embed spoiler warnings at appropriate places in their articles, warning the reader a spoiler is coming and telling them to skip X paragraphs if they don't want to know. (Entertainment Weekly has done this.)I think that's great. It is considerate of the readers. The first time I ever saw something like this was years ago in a Tme or Newsweek article about Fatal Attraction.

My favorite spoiler gripe was about 10 years ago. Someone wrote a letter to the editor complaining that the local newspaper's TV section's cover photo gave away the ending to A&E's Pride and Prejudice miniseries. Get real. The book is nearly 200 years old. At some point the statute of limitations has run on spoilers. Personally, I think that point is well short of 100 years.

[drew2k]

[...]I've seen some movement on this front, but usually it's for FUTURE spoilers, not for spoilers on episodes that have already aired. Some entertainment magazines and web sites will actually embed spoiler warnings at appropriate places in their articles, warning the reader a spoiler is coming and telling them to skip X paragraphs if they don't want to know. (Entertainment Weekly has done this.)I think that's great. [...]Hey! :eek: Quit it! 2k is a classic, while 2006 hasn't proven itself yet.

I'm not ready to trade up! :D

[tivoboyjr]

I've watched this ep a couple of times, and after reading the stories about how difficult AAA was and how he wanted to leave the show, the producers wanted him to leave the show, etc., etc., the final, exaggerated beat-down he gets by smokey makes me think of when Chef left SP due to the falling out between the creators of SP and Isaac Hayes. At the end of the ep, Chef gets shot, impaled, mutilated by wild animals, etc.

[mqpickles]

Hey! :eek: Quit it! 2k is a classic, while 2006 hasn't proven itself yet.

I'm not ready to trade up! :D :) Okay, I couldn't resist one more time, but I'm done now.

[spelcheker]

I'm always the last to the party.

1. Nobody mentioned how much the monster looks like the smoke signal?

2. Eyeballs + patches have me thinking that the island sometimes punishes by plucking out eyeballs, like the kung fu teacher in Kill Bill 2. I bet we see someone lose one soon.

[LordKronos]

At the end of the ep, Chef gets shot, impaled, mutilated by wild animals, etc.

Maybe he's not dead. They say the last thing you do before you die is crap your...

[Figaro]

Maybe he's not dead. They say the last thing you do before you die is crap your...
He did. Why do you think Locke said: "oh..Ecko!!"

[gchance]

I'm always the last to the party.

1. Nobody mentioned how much the monster looks like the smoke signal?


That's because it doesn't. The smoke signal Sayid made, however, looks just like the smoke signal that Rousseau said is the signal that Others are coming.

Greg

[jkeegan]

Maybe the smoke monster was waaaay over at the other side of the island but wanted to see the launching of Michael's boat, so it went waaaay up in the air to see better. :)

[spelcheker]

Maybe the smoke monster was waaaay over at the other side of the island but wanted to see the launching of Michael's boat, so it went waaaay up in the air to see better. :)

EXACTLY!

Hey, when I take a stupid stance on something, I like it to be so stupid I can claim sole ownership! :p

[jkeegan]

:) By all means, it's yours!

4 and a half more hours! Before then I'm gonna be opening Gears of War though I hope.. So conflicted.

(yeah, right)

[spelcheker]

O.K., but when we find out that one of the times we thought we were looking at the smoke signal we were looking at the monster, I'm gonna run around in circles naked with a rubber band tied around my fanny screaming "I'm an Airrrrrplaaane baby, make me take off!!!"

(10 brownie points to anyone who knows what that's from)

[rkester]

Actually, I have no problem believing that the smoky creature could pass itself off as smoke from a fire and could have been something we saw in an episode prevous and thought was just smoke. Afterall, this IS the world of Lost and nothing is out of the realm of possibility.

[Hunter Green]

Somehow, and I can't figure out how, on top of all the other fantastic and impossible things going on on the island, Desmond being "unstuck in time" seems an order of magnitude more impossible, and somehow a strain for me. I hope that thread gets resolved in an "oh, it wasn't what I thought" kind of way.

[kdelande]

Just be forewarned. After Wednesday night we'll be split into two groups:

Group A: "WOW! This episode was great! HOLY CRAP! Can you believe that happened?!?! Oh my gosh, now we know X but we now want to know Y!" Group A, two weeks after Wednesday night: "Hey, are any of you guys watching Daybreak? It's not Lost, but it's pretty good and fills the slot. When's Lost starting back up anyway?" Group B, when Lost returns: "WOW! Can you believe the reason Taye Diggs was stuck in the time loop was he couldn't deal with not being able to watch Lost? I can't wait for tonight!"

Group B: That's it, I'm deleting my SP! We still don't know why Locke lost his ability to walk! We don't know ANYTHING! What was up with Penny in the S2 season finale? We still don't know! I hate this show!" Group B, two weeks after Wednesday night: "WTF??? Where's Lost? I'm about ready to delete my SP, I can never tell if Lost is on or not! With all these weeks without Lost, I'm starting to lose interest!" Group B, when Lost returns: "It better answer some questions, dammit, or I'm deleting my SP! Hey, does 24 start back up next week?"

You just watch.

Greg
Have to say this wasn't too far off of a prediction...

KD