Veronica Mars 10/31/2006 (S03E05) "President Evil"

[dswallow]

Obviously something's fishy if the rape victim didn't mention the man in the photo was her boyfriend... or maybe a slight chance the guy only told his roommate that, but he did seem pretty certain about it.

I loved how Veronica dealt with the necklace at the end. Little brat deserved it.

[LoadStar]

True. It's beginning to look like it comes back to the women. Do we even know that anyone's been raped? I mean, we know that they say they were raped, we know that their heads were shaved... but that's about all we've been shown for certain. Unfortunately, the show could get a lot of crap for a plotline in which women en masse falsely claim they've been raped... I can see some survivor's groups getting mighty ticked off at the show if this is the direction they're going in.

I liked the way she dealt with the little twerp at the end... poetic justice.

You know, it's a wonder anyone ever talks to Veronica anymore, with the amount of times she's falsely accused them of everything under the sun. And yet, they keep coming back to her for help. I mean, to her credit she always has their back, but still. Maybe she should keep all avenues of investigation open, instead of accusing everyone then figuring out which person she accused really did it.

[Amnesia]

Do we know that the guy in the photo is the boyfriend? Maybe it's just another Asian guy wearing his shirt...

[dswallow]

So... did Wallace actually write something on the paper he turned in basically admitting to what he did, or did the professor discover something Wallace didn't expect?

The way they're handling it and hiding it from us, I'm guessing Wallace felt guilty and admitted it in the paper he turned in.

[dswallow]

Do we know that the guy in the photo is the boyfriend? Maybe it's just another Asian guy wearing his shirt...
That's a good point; he recognized the girl when looking at the photo; we don't know if his roommate is the guy behind her.

[LoadStar]

So... did Wallace actually write something on the paper he turned in basically admitting to what he did, or did the professor discover something Wallace didn't expect?

The way they're handling it and hiding it from us, I'm guessing Wallace felt guilty and admitted it in the paper he turned in.

Well, since I've already cheated and looked ahead at the TV listing description of next week's episode, I'll spoiler-ize this: Must've admitted that he cheated. If the teacher actually found out, it'd likely be an expulsion... most colleges have a zero tolerance for academic misconduct. Next week's episode still refers to him as a student at Hearst, so...

[Rob Helmerichs]

True. It's beginning to look like it comes back to the women. Do we even know that anyone's been raped? I mean, we know that they say they were raped, we know that their heads were shaved... but that's about all we've been shown for certain. Unfortunately, the show could get a lot of crap for a plotline in which women en masse falsely claim they've been raped... I can see some survivor's groups getting mighty ticked off at the show if this is the direction they're going in.
I suspect that the latest victim is a "copycat," pretending to be a victim for whatever reason, but that the rest of the victims are for real.

[hmberliner]

Does anyone know the name of the actor that played Wallace's teacher's aide?

[dswallow]

Does anyone know the name of the actor that played Wallace's teacher's aide?
James Jordan? http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2028579/

[hmberliner]

Thank you, but no, he was the really geeky guy tonight, Wallace's teachers aide for his engineering class, not Veronica's criminal justice class.

[dswallow]

Thank you, but no, he was the really geeky guy tonight, Wallace's teachers aide for his engineering class, not Veronica's criminal justice class.
Do you remember his character name?

[AJRitz]

I suspect that the latest victim is a "copycat," pretending to be a victim for whatever reason, but that the rest of the victims are for real.
I agree. I think that most of the victims are real. But I think that Claire was just "posing" as a victim in order to further the efforts to get the frat boys kicked off campus.

[smak]

I thought this was one of the better episodes. It was pretty funny.

I think the rape stuff will not end up as just a normal rape case, something else seems to be going on.

As for Wallace, I believe he'd feel guilty and turn himself in for cheating, but I'm not so sure he's the kinda guy to rat other people out, or be the guy who screwed it up for everybody else.

I didn't read the spoiler, so i guess i'll find out next week.

-smak-

[cheesesteak]

What happened to Weevil's face? Looks like he slept on a poison ivy bush.

[mrpantstm]

I agree. I think that most of the victims are real. But I think that Claire was just "posing" as a victim in order to further the efforts to get the frat boys kicked off campus.

Agreed with Aaron and Rob. We're certainly being led to believe that at least Claire is using this to help the women's cause.

I doubt Parker is lying.

I wonder if Veronica is more inclined to believe the victims because of her past especially since Lamb never believed her. Did they do a rape kit on Claire, Parker, et al? If Veronica figures out Claire is lying that would be my first question.

Loved Veronica taking the necklace back from the kid. She wasn't upset about ruining the kids father. She took her necklace and left.

I liked the scenes with Logan and Weevil. Back to their old report. And Lamb breaking them up was amusing.

Definitely an amusing episode.

[Amnesia]

She wasn't upset about ruining the kids father."Ruining"? He was a thief. Why should she worry about him?

[Jonathan_S]

That's a good point; he recognized the girl when looking at the photo; we don't know if his roommate is the guy behind her.
Random thought, maybe the guy in the photo is a relative of the boyfriend. That would explain the shirt, but also explain why Clair said she didn't recognize him.

(If Claire was faking and it and he was the boyfriend she would have been better off admitting that to Veronica and claiming that she must have been raped after he left her. After all claiming you don't recognize your boyfriend is a stupid and easily discovered lie. At least if you think anybody is going to follow up on it, and Claire does know Veronica has at least some investigative ability since Claire knows her as the girl who got evidence the Pi Sigs weren't responsible)

[Amnesia]

If Claire was faking and it and he was the boyfriend she would have been better off admitting that to Veronica and claiming that she must have been raped after he left her. After all claiming you don't recognize your boyfriend is a stupid and easily discovered lie. But she was put on the spot and might have just said "No, I don't recognize him" without thinking of the consequences...

[mrpantstm]

"Ruining"? He was a thief. Why should she worry about him?

Where does his kid go? Sure, he's a thief, I have no pity for him in that regard. But he did kneel down to kiss his (I assume) daughter goodbye. He probably justified robbing the poker game as a means to support his daughter.

I'm not saying the thief wasn't justified in being ruined. But we've seen time and again that despite being perfectly guilty, the culprit will still blame the investigator for "ruining them".

[DevdogAZ]

There was a line in this episode that confused me. Weevil made a comment to Veronica when he found out that she and Logan were dating again, and it was something like, "You got back together with him even after how he treated Lilly?" Did I miss something? Did something come out about the way Logan treated Lilly between the last time Veronica and Logan dated and now? Lilly's been dead since before the series started, so it's not like Logan did something to her in the meantime. What was revealed last season about the way Logan treated Veronica that I'm forgetting?

[Rob Helmerichs]

Where does his kid go? Sure, he's a thief, I have no pity for him in that regard. But he did kneel down to kiss his (I assume) daughter goodbye. He probably justified robbing the poker game as a means to support his daughter.

I'm not saying the thief wasn't justified in being ruined. But we've seen time and again that despite being perfectly guilty, the culprit will still blame the investigator for "ruining them".
Well, judging from what little we've seen of the girl, I'd guess that throwing her into the foster care system will make for a major improvement for her chances in life.

And I say that coming from a position of disdain and disgust for the foster care system.

[mrpantstm]

There was a line in this episode that confused me. Weevil made a comment to Veronica when he found out that she and Logan were dating again, and it was something like, "You got back together with him even after how he treated Lilly?" Did I miss something? Did something come out about the way Logan treated Lilly between the last time Veronica and Logan dated and now? Lilly's been dead since before the series started, so it's not like Logan did something to her in the meantime. What was revealed last season about the way Logan treated Veronica that I'm forgetting?

I believe Logan cheated (by cheated I mean made out) on Lily with the rapper's daughter from season one? Details are a bit hazy. At the same time, Lily cheated on Logan with Weevil and Weevil probably heard a one sided account of Lily and Logan's relationship. While I'm sure Logan was no saint, I've never considered Lily to be one either.

[hapdrastic]

What happened to Weevil's face? Looks like he slept on a poison ivy bush.

Apparently he (the actor who plays Weevil) is on some kind of medication. That's what's causing his weight gain and his skin problems. At least that's what I've heard.

[hapdrastic]

I loved the Mr. Microphone line that Lamb had to Logan when he drove away with Weevil. "Hey good looking, we'll be back to pick you up later."

I had to pause so I could explain to my fiancee why I was laughing at that.

[dswallow]

What happened to Weevil's face? Looks like he slept on a poison ivy bush.
Francis Capra is taking steroids because of a leg injury over the summer. He's going for surgery after the season finishes filming. The steroids led to his weight gain and acne.

[mwhip]

When she went to Weevils the first time why did she leave her dog there? Is Weevil taking care of him now?

[Shakhari]

I believe Logan cheated (by cheated I mean made out) on Lily with the rapper's daughter from season one? Details are a bit hazy. At the same time, Lily cheated on Logan with Weevil and Weevil probably heard a one sided account of Lily and Logan's relationship. While I'm sure Logan was no saint, I've never considered Lily to be one either.

And let us not forget that Lily cheated with Logan's father, whcih started everything in the first place ...

[Rosenkavalier]

There was a line in this episode that confused me. Weevil made a comment to Veronica when he found out that she and Logan were dating again, and it was something like, "You got back together with him even after how he treated Lilly?" Did I miss something? Did something come out about the way Logan treated Lilly between the last time Veronica and Logan dated and now? Lilly's been dead since before the series started, so it's not like Logan did something to her in the meantime. What was revealed last season about the way Logan treated Veronica that I'm forgetting?

I might have this wrong, but I took that to be Weevil's remaining resentment toward Logan - - since both of them were involved with Lily Kane, right at the end of her life. Weevil may believe that Logan cheated on Lily while they were still together, which would make him suspicious of Logan's fidelity toward Veronica. (And Veronica talking about Lily brought all of this up to the surface.)

I loved the Mr. Microphone line that Lamb had to Logan when he drove away with Weevil. "Hey good looking, we'll be back to pick you up later."

I had to pause so I could explain to my fiancee why I was laughing at that.

Yeah, gotta love a good "Golden Era" Simpsons reference.

When she went to Weevils the first time why did she leave her dog there? Is Weevil taking care of him now?

I thought that was just a really good exit line, not an actual direction/instruction.

[cherry ghost]

Yeah, gotta love a good "Golden Era" Simpsons reference.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYEXBTlWf_4

[TAsunder]

Thanks for clearing up the myster of frank capra's appearance. That was more mysterious to me than the shaving rapist. But now I wonder if my asthma steroids have a similar side effect...

[jking]

When she went to Weevils the first time why did she leave her dog there? Is Weevil taking care of him now?

I think she had the dog with her at the end when she and Logan went to the alleged rapist's house.

[Jonathan_S]

When she went to Weevils the first time why did she leave her dog there? Is Weevil taking care of him now?
Agree with the others. That was just a good line from Weevil.
I assume that Backup would have followed Veronica after a moment, but we didn't see it because the scene changed before Backup entered the shot and before the door shut behind Veronica and him.

[Amnesia]

I think she had the dog with her at the end when she and Logan went to the alleged rapist's house.She certainly had the dog when she went to the campus cop's house...

[mwhip]

That was what I was thinking but since the dog did not follow her out immediately and the door was closing behind her and Weevil had delivered the line that backup and him and become close it was just weird.

[Amnesia]

That was what I was thinking but since the dog did not follow her out immediately (...)If you look closely, she had Backup's leash in her hand as she left. He must have been right at her heels.

[mrpantstm]

I do really like Cliff, the lawyer. Always amusing. :)

[Magnolia88]

Cliff was even more hilarious than usual. And I liked that they had him pretending to be a voiceover actor b/c the actor does a lot of VO work in real life.

I enjoyed this episode a lot, and it had some great lines. Although I had to get someone to explain to me who Veronica and Logan were supposed to be in their Halloween costumes. And I'm a White Stripes fan, but it still never occurred to me that's who they were.

I'm getting the definite sense that the second mystery is going to involve Dean O'Dell. We are learning an awful lot about his family life and there has to be a reason. Maybe his wife (or her ex) dies, or goes missing? Or maybe it will be the Dean himself who dies or goes missing and the wife and her ex will be among the suspects.

[mwhip]

Cliff was even more hilarious than usual. And I liked that they had him pretending to be a voiceover actor b/c the actor does a lot of VO work in real life.

I enjoyed this episode a lot, and it had some great lines. Although I had to get someone to explain to me who Veronica and Logan were supposed to be in their Halloween costumes. And I'm a White Stripes fan, but it still never occurred to me that's who they were.

I'm getting the definite sense that the second mystery is going to involve Dean O'Dell. We are learning an awful lot about his family life and there has to be a reason. Maybe his wife (or her ex) dies, or goes missing? Or maybe it will be the Dean himself who dies or goes missing and the wife and her ex will be among the suspects.

With a voice like that I hope he gets lots of VO work.

I did not catch the white stripes thing either maybe because Logan is so tall and VM is short and petite their body types don't match Jack and Meg.

[Magnolia88]

I did not catch the white stripes thing either maybe because Logan is so tall and VM is short and petite their body types don't match Jack and Meg.

I think that's it. Logan is fairly tall and lanky and Jack is not what one would call lanky. Plus, Logan's face wasn't white and pasty enough and his hair wasn't long enough. Otoh, I never thought that either Veronica or Logan were the type to put a lot of time or effort into Halloween costumes. I'm sort of surprised they were dressed up at all.

[mwhip]

I think that's it. Logan is fairly tall and lanky and Jack is not what one would call lanky. Plus, Logan's face wasn't white and pasty enough and his hair wasn't long enough.

Exactly I thought they were 60's hipsters or beatniks.

[DevdogAZ]

I did not catch the white stripes thing either maybe because Logan is so tall and VM is short and petite their body types don't match Jack and Meg.
I have no idea what the White Stripes look like (or what they sound like, for that matter) so I didn't catch that, but I didn't even catch that it was a Halloween costume. I just saw the wig and thought she was trying to do some surveillance on someone that she didn't want to recognize her. Show's how much I was paying attention.

[JETarpon]

Yeah, gotta love a good "Golden Era" Simpsons reference.


Simpsons? How about a classic TV commercial reference that predated the Simpsons by at least a decade?

[Magnolia88]

Simpsons? How about a classic TV commercial reference that predated the Simpsons by at least a decade?

Heh. I think it must be a generational thing. How do people not remember Mr. Microphone? Boy, I must be older than I thought, but I'm in Lamb's general age range, give or take a few.

I have no idea what the Simpsons reference is all about, but I remember the commercial (http://www.biography.com/broadband/main.do?video=ronco-mrmicrophone).

And I got that one dude was dressed as the creep from A Clockwork Orange and another dude was THE DUDE. They can't get enough of Lebowski.

Photo of the White Stripes (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9c/White_Stripes_-_Early_Career.jpg/200px-White_Stripes_-_Early_Career.jpg). That photo was apparently the one that inspired V/L but Jack and Meg don't really look like that now.

[Amnesia]

With a voice like that I hope he gets lots of VO work.He is a professional voice over artist. He's done a lot of voice work for video games (over 30 titles (http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,73002/))...

[gilmoregirls102]

Did anyone catch the previews for next week? I do NOT want Veronica and Logan to break up!

I have been watching Season 1 & 2 again and they never show Weevil learning or hearing it was Aaron Echolls who killed her. The last that I saw of Weevil being in the "know" of the murder, was after Veronica assumed it was Logan and Weevil overheard her convo between her and her dad... Is it possible he thinks that Logan played a part in Lily's murder still? Maybe that was what Weevil was referring to, incorrectly of course.

[Magnolia88]

Weevil does not suspect Logan of having anything to do with Lilly's murder. The story was front page news for months, so Weevil knows what happened.

He just doesn't like Logan for a variety of reasons, and he probably believed Lilly when she told him that Logan was a jerk - from her point of view, Logan was a crazy jealous control freak and that's the story she painted for Weevil. Of course, she conveniently left out all the ways she gave Logan plenty of reasons for being jealous.

ETA: As far as the promo is concerned . . .
Don't believe everything you see in the promos. The CW makes them deliberately misleading imho.

[mwhip]

Did anyone catch the previews for next week? I do NOT want Veronica and Logan to break up!

You want to spoilerize that because the rules around here state anything shown in a preview is a spoiler.

Do you know how to make spoiler tags?

[gilmoregirls102]

You want to spoilerize that because the rules around here state anything shown in a preview is a spoiler.

Do you know how to make spoiler tags?

No, I don't... How do I do that? And, my sincere apologies! Didn't mean to ruin it for everyone!

[mwhip]

No, I don't... How do I do that? And, my sincere apologies! Didn't mean to ruin it for everyone!

you can edit the post...put this at the beginning [*spoiler] and this one at the end[*/spoiler] without the asterisk though because it would hide my post if I did not put another character in there.

[gilmoregirls102]

TEST


THANKS! :) I always wondered how they did that! :cool:

[mwhip]

TEST


THANKS! :) I always wondered how they did that! :cool:

you got it...now go back and edit the first sentence of the post where the spoiler is.

[gilmoregirls102]

you got it...now go back and edit the first sentence of the post where the spoiler is.
Done! :up:

[mwhip]

Done! :up:


Rock on. There are some real bad spoiler Nazi's around here. :D

[gilmoregirls102]

Rock on. There are some real bad spoiler Nazi's around here. :D
Not a prob, I understand NOT wanting to know what's going to happen...thanks again...

[hapdrastic]

Did anyone catch the previews for next week? I do NOT want Veronica and Logan to break up!

I do, I can't stand their dynamic this season, Logan is so boring now. I like their witty banter and snark towards one another. I want my snark, dammit!

As a total aside, I was loaned a copy of Wonderfalls (caught the few episodes that actually aired back when it was first on, and now I'm watching the rest). It reminds me a lot of VM. I think it's the banter. Hooray banter.

[mrpantstm]

ETA: As far as the promo is concerned . . .
Don't believe everything you see in the promos. The CW makes them deliberately misleading imho.

My thoughts exactly. :)

[Spiff]

And I'm a White Stripes fan, but it still never occurred to me that's who they were.

/me slaps forehead.

I was thinking they were two of "Three's Company", but couldn't figure out why Janet was wearing Chrissy's hairstyle. :o

[gilmoregirls102]

I thought they were someone out of a comic book...

[madscientist]

I really enjoyed this episode: it was hilarious. I thought it would be a perfect episode to try to get my wife hooked (she never watches VM with me!) especially when I heard Veronica trying to do a W.Va. accent on the phone (my wife was born and raised in W.Va.) But, she kept falling asleep (nothing personal to VM, she falls asleep early a lot :) ).

No one mentioned the pizza parlor scene yet... I loved that! "you ... you're Veronica Mars!" Then the guy on the phone with the ISP. Just gold.

And yes, Cliff is one of my favorite characters as well. He makes me laugh just walking into the scene.

But here's something: do you think the steriods are causing Frank's acting to suffer? Because really... he was eye-poppingly bad in this episode. The whole double-take when he hears about Veronica and Logan was so badly done I had to hide my eyes :(

[Jesda]

For the first time in a LONG time, an episode of VM that was just fun to watch instead of heavy and cryptic.

[dilorc]

I've only seen a few VMs...My wife loves the show.

I don't think what Wallace did could be considered cheating. It's a time honored tradition at engineering schools. Every frat on campus had a test bank made up of old tests. I was in ROTC and we had a test bank. We didn't charge $200, though.

Unless that kid had the actual test that the professor was going to give (and I mean stolen, not a test from last semester), I don't think Wallace has anything to feel guilty about.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Unless that kid had the actual test that the professor was going to give (and I mean stolen, not a test from last semester), I don't think Wallace has anything to feel guilty about.
Heh. Wouldn't it be cool if they knew that?

Wallace confesses to cheating.

"Uh, sorry, kid. But that's not cheating."

Wallace realizes he was cheated.

[mrpantstm]

Heh. Wouldn't it be cool if they knew that?

Wallace confesses to cheating.

"Uh, sorry, kid. But that's not cheating."

Wallace realizes he was cheated.

Might mean Wallace has spent too much time with Veronica. ;)

I considerably doubt Wallace cheated mostly because it would so out of character for him.

Of course, being out of character doesn't mean the show won't do it.

[jaydro]

I'm a White Stripes fan, but it still never occurred to me that's who they were.I didn't make the connection at all with Veronica's costume, and Logan with the shirt and necklace looked like something out of a '70's science fiction movie, which then had me stuck on Logan's Run (hah), but I knew that wasn't it....

[Magnolia88]

I don't think what Wallace did could be considered cheating. It's a time honored tradition at engineering schools. Every frat on campus had a test bank made up of old tests. I was in ROTC and we had a test bank. We didn't charge $200, though.

I thought the same thing about the exam thing. At my school, every fraternity and sorority had a "library" of old exams for specific classes/professors as study guides. Everybody studied with the old exams, and we shared them with each other for free.

If the professor is using the exact same exam year after year, then I would think he would have to expect that students are going to talk about it and will be prepared for it. That's just lazy course preparation on his part.

I don't understand how it could be considered "cheating" for a student to prepare by studying old exams from previous years. But somehow, it seems like that's where they are going with the Wallace story.

[DevdogAZ]

I thought the same thing about the exam thing. At my school, every fraternity and sorority had a "library" of old exams for specific classes/professors as study guides. Everybody studied with the old exams, and we shared them with each other for free.

If the professor is using the exact same exam year after year, then I would think he would have to expect that students are going to talk about it and will be prepared for it. That's just lazy course preparation on his part.

I don't understand how it could be considered "cheating" for a student to prepare by studying old exams from previous years. But somehow, it seems like that's where they are going with the Wallace story.
I agree that it shouldn't be considered cheating, but the bigger questions are:
1) What is a first-semester freshman doing in a mechanical engineering class?
2) How ridiculously difficult is this test that Wallace can't even figure out the answers with plenty of time, books, calculators, etc.?

[5thcrewman]

I agree that it shouldn't be considered cheating, but the bigger questions are:
1) What is a first-semester freshman doing in a mechanical engineering class?
2) How ridiculously difficult is this test that Wallace can't even figure out the answers with plenty of time, books, calculators, etc.?
3) Why isn't Wallace hittin' one of those girls his friend showed up at the door with?

[TAsunder]

2) How ridiculously difficult is this test that Wallace can't even figure out the answers with plenty of time, books, calculators, etc.?

I was thinkint the test is not all that difficult but wallace is simply not fit for his dream major.

[madscientist]

Here's another question: is there really a course called "mechanical engineering"? My wife was a MechE and I sure don't remember her taking any courses like that. Lots of stuff like fluid dynamics, calculus, blah blah blah. But no "mechanical engineering class" :p

Agree about the old tests; our frats all had similar archives. It was one of the main reasons to join a frat (I went to a kind of geeky school :)). None of my professors ever gave the same test twice (I don't think--I wasn't in a frat so I guess I could be wrong). I don't think there's anything wrong with looking at old tests.

As for not being able to figure it out, I had some take-home exams for my senior/graduate level courses. They were darn hard, even though you got to take them home for a whole weekend, and use any resources you wanted. Of course, this was before the WWW got big and before Google came along--things might be different now. But, to not be able to figure out an in-class test while sitting in your room with your books... that's pretty lame.