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murgatroyd
10-31-2006, 02:39 PM
Why another thread on Studio 60, you ask?

[Edited to add: hey, we don't have a new episode to talk about this week, so why not? :p ]

I wanted to toss out some ideas about the whole of the show, as we've seen it so far.

There's been a lot of talk about the intelligence of the show and the intelligence of the viewers and yada yada yada, yet no one has commented on something that seems really obvious to me.

Studio 60 is a show about live performance, written by a guy who started out as a playwright. Therefore, the obvious question to me is not, 'are Studio 60 fans smarter than other people", it is "are you a theatre person, or not?"

Plays are designed so that actors have character development over the course of the play. They build slowly, yet deliver a big punch at the end.

Many (not all) TV shows have very little character development. Many (not all) fans of ordinary episodic TV don't want to see character development. They want their favorite character to be the same, week after week.

More and more, it seems to me, TV is 'Short Attention Span Theater'. A show has to be instantly good, or it is yanked. People have talked about how the networks don't give shows a chance to find an audience, but I say the problem is also with audiences that are too impatient to give shows a chance to build up intricate material in the same way a play can do, only longer.

I'll use a sports analogy. Imagine you are a fan of auto racing, particularly Formula One or CART or Nascar. You like long races, like the Daytona 500, Indy 500, (fill in your favorite Formula One race here).

Ordinary TV is getting to be more and more like drag racing.

There is nothing wrong with drag racing -- I like that, too -- but you just don't see the same strategy unfolding in it that you do in an endurance race.

What I'm seeing in the remarks about Studio 60 is that people watch the first few episodes where Sorkin is doing a lot of setup, and they are not willing to see where he is going with it, so they bail.

I, on the other hand, was interested in seeing what Matthew Perry and Brad Whitfield and Timothy Busfield were going to do on the show, and that kept my interest through the parts that I wasn't sure were working so much.

Meanwhile, D L Hughley, Sarah Paulson, Nathan Corddry, Amanda Peet, and Ayda Field have also turned some fine performances. So I'm hooked now. I have to watch.

I can't help thinking about:

1) how bad some parts of Babylon 5 seemed to be, until I re-watched parts of it in Season Three, once I was more familiar with the characters and the whole setup of the B5 universe. The weak parts were still weak, but stuff didn't seem nearly as bad. Part of it was, B5 had a different way of doing things than other shows (e.g. Trek) and it took a little bit to get used to it. But I stuck it out. And boy, howdy, did that pay off -- especially watching the extraordinary performance over five years by Andreas Katsulas, who got the role of a lifetime on that show.

2) how some of us hung in with Firefly, just because it was Joss, even though the show was being aired every which way, and how so many people have discovered it and loved it while watching it via the DVD set, where they can see it in order, but also, watch more than one epsiode at a time, thus making it easier to see where things are going.

I watched Buffy as it aired. I didn't care so much for Season Four. But a friend of mine tells me, apparently a lot of fans who watched Buffy on DVDs really like Season Four. It's their favorite season. (Note also that she watched B5 in daily syndication and hated it, while I watched as it aired and could barely wait for the next week's episode to see what new thing would be revealed.)

The way you feel about a show can change drastically, depending on how you experience it. Even with the same person, some shows are better when you see them all at once, some better when you have to wait for that new episode. And there's no way to tell at first glance which way will be best for you.

I think a lot of people don't take this into account when judging whether a show is 'any good' or not. And certainly with the way TV ratings are set up, there is no way for them to record the people who have just watched X many episodes in a row and are now caught up and crazy about the show.

Your thoughts?

Jan

rhuntington3
10-31-2006, 02:43 PM
Exactly what I was thinking, Jan. :up:

Amnesia
10-31-2006, 02:45 PM
If you're going to talk about shows created by playwrights, then you must mention The Unit (created by David Mamet).

I don't think that The Unit is designed to cater to "theatre people"...why do you think that Sorkin's background means that S60 must therefore follow theatre conventions?

DevdogAZ
10-31-2006, 03:01 PM
I totally agree, Jan. Most TV is set up so that people can pop in, watch an episode, and leave again. The networks don't like continuity in their shows because that means that if you miss a week, you might not come back to the show. While there have been several shows in history with continuous storylines, LOST really restarted the trend a couple of years ago and now it's all the rage because of LOST's success. However, we are seeing that most of these shows that are trying to follow in LOST's footsteps are failing. People just don't have the time or attention span to keep track of a lot of shows with serialized plots. IMO, this is why the police procedurals have been so successful. The characters are the same every week, so there's some comfort there for the fans, but there is no knowledge required when you sit down and watch an episode. You don't need to know what happened last season or even last week.

In the case of S60, there just aren't that many viewers out there who a) have the attention span necessary to stick with a show through developments, b) have the time to watch a show every single week, c) have an interest in the subject matter, and d) have at least a rudimentary knowledge and understanding of current events, politics, literature, etc. You definitely don't have to have all of these to enjoy S60, but it sure helps.

Lori
10-31-2006, 03:10 PM
Jan, I get made fun of all the time, but this is the reason that I love daytime dramas...the individual day-to-day episodes may not be art, but how much room is there for character development and long term story payoff when you have 250 new hours of TV per year? And when it's brilliant, it's breathtaking...and all the better cause you had to wait for it.

Sparty99
10-31-2006, 03:20 PM
I totally agree, Jan. Most TV is set up so that people can pop in, watch an episode, and leave again. The networks don't like continuity in their shows because that means that if you miss a week, you might not come back to the show. While there have been several shows in history with continuous storylines, LOST really restarted the trend a couple of years ago and now it's all the rage because of LOST's success. However, we are seeing that most of these shows that are trying to follow in LOST's footsteps are failing. People just don't have the time or attention span to keep track of a lot of shows with serialized plots. IMO, this is why the police procedurals have been so successful. The characters are the same every week, so there's some comfort there for the fans, but there is no knowledge required when you sit down and watch an episode. You don't need to know what happened last season or even last week.

In the case of S60, there just aren't that many viewers out there who a) have the attention span necessary to stick with a show through developments, b) have the time to watch a show every single week, c) have an interest in the subject matter, and d) have at least a rudimentary knowledge and understanding of current events, politics, literature, etc. You definitely don't have to have all of these to enjoy S60, but it sure helps.
Let's give credit where credit is due. The current trendsetter when it comes to serialized dramas was 24. You could look back to other shows in the '90s (Murder One maybe?) that tried and failed, but 24 was really the first successful serialized drama.

I disagree with the idea that there's no character development in television, or that people aren't willing to stick through it. There's a lot of character development in any show, it's just only seen from the POV of the people who watch every episode, rather than those who pop in for an episode or two. I've seen comparisons between S60 and Lost or Heroes (natural because of the lead-in), but really those are poor comparisons. Lost and Heroes and 24 are in its own sub-genre, where missing an episode really is the end of the world. Studio 60 would be more apt to group with the dearly departed West Wing (obviously) or Grey's Anatomy or Desperate Houswives. It's good to catch all the episodes, you're going to understand more, but it's just not that crucial.

While I think the idea that people aren't interested in a behind-the-scenes look at a television show is stupid, I don't think you can argue with the numbers. Has there ever been a truly successful show that goes behind-the-scenes of the entertainment industry? You could argue The Mary Tyler Moore Show, but that was about a news show. Sports Night lasted two years. Action lasted 13 episodes. Studio 60 looks to be on its way out. All of these were brilliant television shows, but audiences didn't embrace them. It really has nothing to do with intelligence, it has to do with a relative amount of action. If Studio 60 were smart they'd have somebody jumping into bed with somebody else fast, or they're going to have serious issues.

murgatroyd
10-31-2006, 03:32 PM
If you're going to talk about shows created by playwrights, then you must mention The Unit (created by David Mamet).

I don't think that The Unit is designed to cater to "theatre people"...why do you think that Sorkin's background means that S60 must therefore follow theatre conventions?

I had two points.

1) the show is set backstage in a theatre, thus those of us who are fans of the theatre or have done live performance or have people in the family who are in the theatre, etc. are going to see a certain amount of stuff in Studio 60 and find it to be 'ordinary' whereas it is striking some people as 'weird' or not important (e.g. the urgency in getting the show DONE before air time, or the disconnect between Tom and his parents who definitely don't have the performing bug).

2) a lot of people seem to be complaining that it is 'taking forever for anything to happen' -- I simply wondered if those of us who are used to plays are more tolerant of a slow setup than those who are not playgoers. Ditto for the people who complain that Sorkin's dialogue is 'mannered'. We're used to it, that's all.

I haven't watched the Unit, nor seen many plays by Mamet, so I can't compare / contrast Mamet's playwriting and TV writing styles. (However, I would find such a discussion interesting.)

Jan

murgatroyd
10-31-2006, 03:44 PM
It really has nothing to do with intelligence, it has to do with a relative amount of action. If Studio 60 were smart they'd have somebody jumping into bed with somebody else fast, or they're going to have serious issues.

From where I sit, Sorkin is damned no matter what he does.

If he uses things which people have seen before, people complain that he is predictable -- for instance, the comments in the thread on "The Wrap Party" about Simon's backstory.

But if he doesn't tell a story in the same old way, then people slam him for not doing the same-old same-old (e.g. having someone jumping into bed with somebody else fast).

Jan

Paul Wozniak
10-31-2006, 03:51 PM
Local news radio station reported that Studio 60 is gone after next 3 episodes, can anybody confirm this? So sad, if true.

Sparty99
10-31-2006, 03:54 PM
From where I sit, Sorkin is damned no matter what he does.

If he uses things which people have seen before, people complain that he is predictable -- for instance, the comments in the thread on "The Wrap Party" about Simon's backstory.

But if he doesn't tell a story in the same old way, then people slam him for not doing the same-old same-old (e.g. having someone jumping into bed with somebody else fast).

Jan
I totally agree. The West Wing was well received under the "Sorkin System" because the subject matter was absolutely fascinating. Everyone wanted to look into a sitting president's life. Studio 60 doesn't have that advantage. Sorkin's a brilliant writer, but unless the subject matter is built for the masses, his writing style is one that will appeal to a mass audience.

Steveknj
10-31-2006, 04:13 PM
When you look at TV, what shows are the most popular? It's the shows that give you the big payoff by the end of each episode. It's either reality TV or CSI or L&O. There are a few exceptions, DH, Lost, 24, Prison Break, and it looked like the trend was going to change, but the ratings still bear out that those instant gratification shows are the most popular. The others will have cult followings. I think people are complaining about how S60 has lost the audience of Heroes, but that's the problem, they are not really compatible shows. Heroes is true escapism and and will apeal to a younger skew, but doesn't require a lot of "work" to watch, while S60 requires your undevided attention to know what is going on.

I think one of the other problems is that Sorkin essentially has written three of the same shows, just in a different setting, and NONE of the others were megahits. I was a fan of Sports Night and didn't watch West Wing, but the dialogue in Studio 60 I SWEAR is the same as it was in Sports Night. The words are different but essentially it's the same. The two sports casters are essential the same as the characters played by Perry and Whitfield. The producer in Sports Night is the a combination of the NBS President and leading lady in S60. And Sports Night didn't make it, why would S60?

I like the show, but it's not something that I really get a kick out of. It's kind of the same thing each week. I think Sorkin's style turns more people off than on.

YCantAngieRead
10-31-2006, 04:17 PM
I had two points.

1) the show is set backstage in a theatre, thus those of us who are fans of the theatre or have done live performance or have people in the family who are in the theatre, etc. are going to see a certain amount of stuff in Studio 60 and find it to be 'ordinary' whereas it is striking some people as 'weird' or not important (e.g. the urgency in getting the show DONE before air time, or the disconnect between Tom and his parents who definitely don't have the performing bug).

2) a lot of people seem to be complaining that it is 'taking forever for anything to happen' -- I simply wondered if those of us who are used to plays are more tolerant of a slow setup than those who are not playgoers. Ditto for the people who complain that Sorkin's dialogue is 'mannered'. We're used to it, that's all.

I haven't watched the Unit, nor seen many plays by Mamet, so I can't compare / contrast Mamet's playwriting and TV writing styles. (However, I would find such a discussion interesting.)

Jan
You know, I think my background in theatre might be the only reason I gave this show any shot at all. That part of it interested me.

stiffi
10-31-2006, 04:31 PM
Does anybody else think the resurrgence of Monday Night Football may be to blame? I mean, so far it's averaging 12.9 million viewers on ESPN.

I don't know about you, but I'm a huge Football Fan. I have yet to watch an episode of S60 live, because I am always watching MNF. I don't know how that affects the ratings if at all.