Should NBC move Heroes to opposite CSI: Miami

[terpfan1980]

Poll coming up - should NBC move Heroes to opposite CSI: Miami and if so, which would you watch. Hopefully there'll be enough possible options for anyone to answer, but if not, just choose Other and add comments as you desire.

[modnar]

I don't watch CSI: Miami anymore, so I'd like to see some show put a dent in CSI: Miami's seemingly invincible ratings. I just don't get it.

So, my vote will be "Yes." Of course, that is assuming that if Hereos does poorly in the time slot, NBC will move it back. :)

[classicX]

I watch both and would continue to watch both. In HD. With my SA 8300's.

What is the point of this poll?

[DevdogAZ]

I watched the season premeire of CSI: Miami this season and finally decided that I was done with this show. I don't know what took me so long. The stories are horrible, Caruso's acting is laughable, and I don't have HDTV so I can't claim that I'm watching because of the scenery.

However, I really like Heroes and don't want it to go up against another strong show and possibly lose some of its viewers. If they could flip-flop Heroes and S60 and that would jumpstart the ratings for S60, I'd want them to do that in a heartbeat. But to just move Heroes to try and compete with Miami would be kind of risky and stupid.

[jsmeeker]

I vote no.

I don't watch CSI:Miami, but lots of people probably watch CSI:Miami and Heroes, so putting Hereoes up against CSI would mean a lot of people would have conflicts and would have to chose between two shows they like. That's happened to me before and I always hated it.

I don't really care if a show I like beats another. As long as the ratings are good enough to keep the show going, I'm happy.

[Barryrod]

I have never liked CSI Miami at all.....Too phony.......Even for TV....That and NYPD guy is just a horrible actor.

[phox_mulder]

Most of us have multiple TiVos, or at least, DVR's.

We'll watch what we want regardless of when it's on, or what it's on against.

I'd also hazard a guess that very few of us are Nielson Families, so what we watch doesn't count, unless they are getting viewing habits from TiVo, which I wouldn't mind at all.
I really don't like when a show I enjoy gets canned.


phox

[jsmeeker]

Most of us have multiple TiVos, or at least, DVR's.




I wouldn't agree with that. There are still quite a few like me who have a single TiVo with a single tuner. Conflicts are an ongoing issue when it comes to prime time network shows.

[dimented]

I would watch both since I have this cool little device called a Tivo. :D

[TAsunder]

No... what would be the point? Heroes couldn't compete with CSI, and putting it in the same slot would only leech viewers from heroes.

[terpfan1980]

No... what would be the point? Heroes couldn't compete with CSI, and putting it in the same slot would only leech viewers from heroes.

You say that so matter of factly, and someone else above asked "what is the point of the poll?" -- the point is to try to see if more people here at TCF would be inclined to watch Heroes over CSI: Miami and/or whether or not CSI: Miami is really that strong or not.

Let the numbers come in as people speak up and then decide whether you are really right or wrong. You don't believe that CSI: Miami could be beaten by Heroes, fair enough, but it would be rather stupid not to see just how true your beliefs are.

[Graymalkin]

I think it's been pretty well established that TCF members are not representative of the U.S. viewing public at large.

Putting Heroes up against CSI: Miami would, unfortunately, send Heroes' ratings into the dumper. :)

[mwhip]

Whatever. I have 6 tuners I will catch it whenever it comes on. :D

[DevdogAZ]

I think it's been pretty well established that TCF members are not representative of the U.S. viewing public at large.

Putting Heroes up against CSI: Miami would, unfortunately, send Heroes' ratings into the dumper. :)
+1

We are a bunch of fanboys here at TCF and Heroes has emerged as one of the shows we like. Just because there's not a lot of love for Miami here doesn't mean that our opinions are even remotely representative of the general public.

[jsmeeker]

+1

We are a bunch of fanboys here at TCF and Heroes has emerged as one of the shows we like. Just because there's not a lot of love for Miami here doesn't mean that our opinions are even remotely representative of the general public.


Heroes has plenty of fans in the general public, too. I believe it's doing much better than expected.

[DevdogAZ]

Heroes has plenty of fans in the general public, too. I believe it's doing much better than expected.
Sure it is. I'm not saying Heroes isn't doing well. But if you put the two shows against one another, one of them has to lose and it would likely be Heroes, as CSI has higher ratings and has been around longer.

[terpfan1980]

Sure it is. I'm not saying Heroes isn't doing well. But if you put the two shows against one another, one of them has to lose and it would likely be Heroes, as CSI has higher ratings and has been around longer.

and if I took the approach that CSI has been around longer and is getting old, tired, boring, etc., while Heroes is new, fresh, hip and hawt? What then?!?

Would CSI really hold up against Heroes? I see a few people saying yes, and others like me saying hell no.

[3D]

I believe it's doing much better than expected.


Which is exaclty why they shouldn't move it. If it ain't broke...

I know sometimes a network will take a really hot show and move it into a night that it's had a hard time cracking (ala Grey's Anatomy), but, in my opinion, a struggling network like NBC should thank its lucky stars that Heroes is doing much better than expected and leave it the hell alone. :)

[jsmeeker]

Which is exaclty why they shouldn't move it. If it ain't broke...

I)

I voted not to move it. But it really didn't have much to do with ratings.

[Mr. Soze]

Heroes is piling up on the Tivos. So is CSI:Miami. I used to hate the latter due to David Caruso, but Mrs. S. likes it so I watched a few from last season. It wasn't as gawdawful as I remember. For now, I have no opinion on Heroes, but I didn't envision it as a 10 pm series from the previews.

[bonscott87]

Doesn't matter to me because:

1) I hate CSI: Miami
2) I have 6 tuners so it really doesn't matter when Heroes is on. Plus Heroes is on Sci-Fi Friday's at 7 for those with only 1 tuner or no DVR so they could watch both.

[LoadStar]

Sure it is. I'm not saying Heroes isn't doing well. But if you put the two shows against one another, one of them has to lose and it would likely be Heroes, as CSI has higher ratings and has been around longer.
Well, I can definitely see the reason for this thread. Consider "Grey's Anatomy." Everyone said they were insane for moving it to Thursday, up against what had previously been a ratings juggernaut on that night, "CSI." Guess what - it came out of the blocks incredibly strong, and has remained strong, winning the time slot most weeks since the season started.

Sometimes the best defense is a good offense - and for NBC, perhaps the best way to unseat a strong competitor like "CSI: Miami" is to put YOUR strongest series there. It's particularly smart when you have a series like "Heroes," which is a serial - because since it's a serial, it's core audience will likely follow it no matter where it moves to.

[PeternJim]

I already have a conflict with it (sitcoms), so I wouldn't mind seeing it moved somewhere else, but certainly not into an already popular time slot. I'd much rather see it moved up against something that is likely to have a very different demographic, so that they can both be strong.

I remember the olden days when the X-Files was up against something radically different (don't remember if it was Dr. Quinn, or Little House, or 7th Heaven, or whatever, but it was a show that seemed reasonable to assume had relatively little overlap in rabid fans.) That seemed completely ideal to me -- and I've always had multiple recorders (VCRs back then.)

Heroes is doing well where it is. Leave it there! For God's sake don't move it around when it is still brand new and finding its audience! What is this, Fox?

[3D]

Well, I can definitely see the reason for this thread. Consider "Grey's Anatomy." Everyone said they were insane for moving it to Thursday, up against what had previously been a ratings juggernaut on that night, "CSI." Guess what - it came out of the blocks incredibly strong, and has remained strong, winning the time slot most weeks since the season started.

Sometimes the best defense is a good offense - and for NBC, perhaps the best way to unseat a strong competitor like "CSI: Miami" is to put YOUR strongest series there. It's particularly smart when you have a series like "Heroes," which is a serial - because since it's a serial, it's core audience will likely follow it no matter where it moves to.


Clearly, such a move can sometimes work in a network's favor, but I think the Grey's Anatomy example doesn't work for two reasons:

1) Grey's anatomy had a season and a half to grow from a success to an overwhelming success with a very large loyal following. Heroes could get there with time, but it's not there yet. One thing against Heroes achieving Grey's type of success is that shows in this genre typically have a limit as to how popular they can get (e.g., as popular as Lost is, it's still neck and neck with Criminal Minds and, IIRC, often times does not even make the top ten).

2) I'm not sure the risk is worth the reward. From what I understand, networks have a greater interest in success on Thursday nights because advertisers place a premium on exposure to viewers just before the weekend. Thus, even if Grey's lost some of its audience in the move, it would still pay off for ABC if it did significantly better than the network's previous Thursday offerings (not hard to do given ABC's dismal track record on that night in recent years). I don't think NBC would see that benefit by simply moving Heroes to a later slot on the same night. Thus, even if successful, the only benefit is damaging CBS, which would most likely just result in them moving CSI: Miami to another night. In the meantime, NBC risks sabatoging one of its few bright spots when its still only a handful of episodes out of the gate. Generally, moving shows around is a good way of losing an audience (not everyone has TiVo). Many viewers are likely to at least miss the first episode in the new slot and, unlike the procedurals, Heroes is not the kind of show where it's easy to miss an episode. I just don't think the risk is worth the reward. Maybe if Heroe's starts getting numbers comparable to last year's Grey's, they can think about moving it at the start of next season. If that's the case, however, under the Grey's Anatomy rationale, they'd be better off moving it to Thursdays, perhaps in ER's slot so as not to go against two Juggernauts at nine.

[mrpantstm]

I don't really care if a show I like beats another. As long as the ratings are good enough to keep the show going, I'm happy.

I agree with this sentiment. That television shows still have to battle for time slots is laughable in my opinion. We've long since diminished the value of time slots with multiple channels and Tivos, again imho.

That said, if NBC did want to tackle CSI Miami, this would be a fairly good strategy. Start a show in a relatively open time slot, have it gain traction and followers, and than have it compete against a stalwart like CSI Miami. Putting up new shows with no following against a heavy hitter like CSI Miami is just foolish. It's like sending green troops against hardened veterans.

I too enjoyed CSI Miami for awhile for the "scenery" but now I don't care about it. I gladly watched Studio 60 over Miami and I'd gladly watch Heroes over it as well. But that's me, YMMV. :)

[Stormspace]

First, I don't watch Heroes. Yet. I do have them all ready to watch and plan to.

Second, if this poll had been before I added two tuners to my house I'd be saying Noooooo! Cuz the wife has to watch Miami. As it is I'm cool with it.

[MacThor]

I thought you were boycotting CBS?

[gchance]

Since I can't watch Heroes on Monday nights due to scheduling conflicts, and have to watch the Friday Sci-fi repeat, I'm all for moving it.

Just the suckitude of any CSI show makes this a worthy move.

Greg

[marksman]

More attempted rapes on Heroes than CSI: Miami so I say yes!

[Raimi]

I enjoy the show right where it is. Not a CSI fan so I don't watch that anyway.

[drew2k]

I don't want it moved. If it records at 9*, I can watch it at 10* and still get to bed on time*.

*All times Eastern.

[willbhome]

If they move Heroes to that time slot, when it's down to 7.7 million viewers because of the CSI juggernaut, NBC will respond by canceling Heroes instead of shifting it to another spot where it COULD kick the competition (oh, yeah, like the spot where it already is).
So, I say, "leave it where it is." Go ahead & put some lame-a$$ show against CSI:Miami, one with which they'll be happy to get 7 mil.

[willbhome]

I watch both and would continue to watch both. In HD. With my SA 8300's.

What is the point of this poll?I believe the point would be that networks don't make decisions based on Tivo users, but the rating numbers that their shows get. e.g. CSI:Miami kicking Studio 60 to the curb in ratings, so NBC cancels Studio 60 instead of finding a better home for it.

[rhuntington3]

No, don't move it. It works where it is for now.

[lew]

I have 3 dual tuner DTivos. This is a tivo forum. I'd assume everyone has at least one tivo and I suspect many of the members have at least two tuners available.

I voted other. It really doesn't matter to me what they do.

NBC has very few hits. It really wouldn't make much sense to risk burning one of the few hits they have.

[wmcbrine]

I have 3 dual tuner DTivos. This is a tivo forum. I'd assume everyone has at least one tivo and I suspect many of the members have at least two tuners available.

I voted other. It really doesn't matter to me what they do.
Same here.

Also, I'm not sure why people are bothered by CSI: Miami. It's highly unrealistic, but as far as I can tell, it's supposed to be. It's just the style of the show. The only thing I don't like about it is when they play to sensationalist stereotypes... but that kinda goes with the mood of the show, too.

[BrettStah]

I watch 'CSI: Miami' for a few reasons:

1) It looks good in HD, and they often have lots poolside or beach scenes (it is set in Miami, so it's a little believable that people are getting killed in bikinis all the time, right? :)).

2) Caruso's over-acting is funny stuff (his "burn, baby, burn" line, and the entire contrived plot that led to it, had be laughing out loud in the last episode I watched).

3) My wife likes to watch it.

4) See item #1.

Oh yeah, multiple tuners here as well, so we don't care if shows move around, unless it leads to them being cancelled.

And we watch 'Heroes' too - pretty good show so far!

[katbug]

I voted that I'd watch Heroes over CSI: Miami. No question, since I can't stand David Caruso...too bad too, 'cuz I like other actors on the show, but they didn't develope the character's personal storylines early enough on to keep my attention, especially when I can't stand the lead actor. I personally (in real life, not here) haven't met anyone who watches it and their reasons are all the same as mine...Caruso (and I don't even know why he grates on me so badly...something about his arrogance maybe?).

So, really I don't care what happens as long as Heroes remains on somewhere at some time! ;0)

[Ghost_Dog1]

Why Mess with a good thing? Instead they should Dump Friday night lights. Try to Build a strong Monday around Heroes.