Save the Cheerleader. Save the World. [Text View]

trausch

10-31-2006, 09:42 AM

Caution: DO NOT READ ON IF YOU DON"T WANT HEROS SPOILERS!!!

Here is my theory. The nuke in New York is a terrorist bomb and the inevitable retaliation of the Unites States starts WW3 and ends the world. For whatever reason the bomb can only be defused by someone who cannot be killed i.e. Claire Bear, Hiro cannot stop time and defuse the bomb for whatever reason. Perhaps there is a radiation issue and even if time is stopped Hiro is susceptible to it or maybe radiation is his Kryptonite....who knows.

Anyway...that's my theory. What's yours.

Rob Helmerichs

10-31-2006, 09:47 AM

I like the one that somebody came up with in one of the regular threads, that Peter is the one who has to save the world, and he will need her power (along with others) to do it.

MikeMar

10-31-2006, 09:54 AM

You might get bombed here, no mention of the show title and you go right into a spoiler if you haven't seen it yet

classicX

10-31-2006, 11:26 AM

I don't see a spoiler yet, but I do agree. This should at least have the show title in the thread title.

jsmeeker

10-31-2006, 11:33 AM

I don't see a spoiler yet, but I do agree. This should at least have the show title in the thread title.

No real need. If you watch the show, you know this is about Heroes.

Alfer

10-31-2006, 11:51 AM

No real need. If you watch the show, you know this is about Heroes.

Agreed.... :)

deezel629

10-31-2006, 11:53 AM

I like the one that somebody came up with in one of the regular threads, that Peter is the one who has to save the world, and he will need her power (along with others) to do it.
I had not seen that theory. It makes the most sense of any that I've seen.

mwhip

10-31-2006, 12:00 PM

I had not seen that theory. It makes the most sense of any that I've seen.

Well he obviously was not around her when he gets that scare in the future.

classicX

10-31-2006, 12:14 PM

No real need. If you watch the show, you know this is about Heroes.

I don't see a spoiler yet

What about those that are archiving several weeks so as to watch all of the episodes back to back?

classicX

10-31-2006, 12:17 PM

Well he obviously was not around her when he gets that scare in the future.

It must be a pretty scar too, since Hiro made mention of it at all. I don't remember which one he said though:

"I almost didn't recognize you without your scar."

"It's weird seeing you without your scar."

Either way, the fact that it's weird or he was nearly unrecognizable without the scar is telling. Is his face horribly disfigured in the future?

CTLesq

10-31-2006, 12:18 PM

I haven't been nuked.............yet.

jsmeeker

10-31-2006, 12:22 PM

What about those that are archiving several weeks so as to watch all of the episodes back to back?

that's their problem. If you aren't sure what a thread is about, and are worried about spoilers don't open it.

Besides, the cheerleader shows up in the first show. It's not like it's a huge mystery as to what it could be about. And, as you point out, the first post mentions the show and doesn't spoil anything.

Tivortex

10-31-2006, 12:27 PM

It must be a pretty scar too, since Hiro made mention of it at all. I don't remember which one he said though:

"I almost didn't recognize you without your scar."

"It's weird seeing you without your scar."

Either way, the fact that it's weird or he was nearly unrecognizable without the scar is telling. Is his face horribly disfigured in the future?

Actually he said "you look different without the scar."

classicX

10-31-2006, 12:27 PM

By now you realize that I was arguing for the sake of the argument.

I do that sometimes.

I guess it's a byproduct of me being around Israelis all day long... :eek: :D

dimented

10-31-2006, 12:56 PM

that's their problem. If you aren't sure what a thread is about, and are worried about spoilers don't open it.

Besides, the cheerleader shows up in the first show. It's not like it's a huge mystery as to what it could be about. And, as you point out, the first post mentions the show and doesn't spoil anything.

But if you haven't seen the first episode yet I would consider mentioning the bomb a pretty big spoiler. Would pretty much ruin that episode for you.

jsmeeker

10-31-2006, 01:00 PM

But if you haven't seen the first episode yet I would consider mentioning the bomb a pretty big spoiler. Would pretty much ruin that episode for you.

Then you wouldn't (or shouldn't) be opening the thread to begin with.

DevdogAZ

10-31-2006, 01:02 PM

I think it's a combination of those theories. Claire's power is needed to prevent the explosion, but there is some danger to her in her current location so they have to go to Texas and save her and then she will join them and they will be able to use her power. This is evidenced by the paintings of something coming after the cheerleader, and Hiro and Ando standing under a sign that says "Homecoming."

AJRitz

10-31-2006, 01:06 PM

Here is my theory. The nuke in New York is a terrorist bomb and the inevitable retaliation of the Unites States starts WW3 and ends the world. For whatever reason the bomb can only be defused by someone who cannot be killed i.e. Claire Bear, Hiro cannot stop time and defuse the bomb for whatever reason. Perhaps there is a radiation issue and even if time is stopped Hiro is susceptible to it or maybe radiation is his Kryptonite....who knows.

Anyway...that's my theory. What's yours.
I'll take it one step further and suggest that the problem will be that the bomb can't be defused by the carrier of any one power, but requires a combination of powers to overcome. Peter will need to borrow multiple powers to defuse it. Again, just speculating but (and what do I win if I'm right?):

1. Hiro stops time so that the bomb won't go off. We already know that Peter can still move when Hiro stops time. Stopping time forever is about as useful as just letting the bomb go off. SOMEONE needs to be able to go deal with the bomb while Hiro is busy holding time still.
2. A dirty bomb could very likely already be leaking significant amounts of radiation. Peter needs to borrow Claire's healing ability to keep from dying before he finishes the defusing.
3. The bomb is placed somewhere difficult to access - so Peter has to borrow his brother's flying ability to get to the location of the bomb.
4. Even after flying to the brink of the bomb, it's still behind a massive door of some kind. Peter borrows D.L.'s ability to walk though the wall to get to the bomb.
5. Defusing the bomb requires knowledge of which wire to cut. Peter uses the cop's mind-reading power to figure out HOW to defuse (reading the mind of the suicide-bomber who planted the device, perhaps).
6. Finally, perhaps evil Nikki/Sylar is defending the suicide bomber.

dimented

10-31-2006, 01:11 PM

Then you wouldn't (or shouldn't) be opening the thread to begin with.

I don't care about spoilers really but I think you are wrong here. The rules of this forum say that a thread with spoilers in it should be labeled as such. Period. It wouldn't bother me if I stumbled upon this thread, but that is me. It would bother some. And should they not be allowed to click on a thread in which the title says nothing about spoilers, only to be spoilered? It is called common courtesy and a rule here, I thought.

trausch

10-31-2006, 01:17 PM

Peter only was able to fly around his brother who can fly. In addition, Peter was able to finish the art work only around the guy who does the paintings. I wonder if Peter has the same power as Rogue in the sense that he can absorb other peoples powers. Maybe he needs all the Heros powers to stop the Nuke. He needs to fly, he needs the self healing, the power to read minds, the power to kick ass, the power to walk through walls and the power to stop time.

Also, Micah is the son of a women who can kick ass and a dad who can walk through walls. Seems like a lethal combination. Imagine this kids walks through some wall, kicks your ass and then disappears.

classicX

10-31-2006, 03:29 PM

OMG ROFLMAO

I just saw the OP edited. You almost made me choke dude.

classicX

10-31-2006, 03:30 PM

Also, Micah is the son of a women who can kick ass and a dad who can walk through walls. Seems like a lethal combination. Imagine this kids walks through some wall, kicks your ass and then disappears.

And then I choked. TYVM.

Legion

10-31-2006, 03:51 PM

classicX

10-31-2006, 04:07 PM

Creators are already on record as saying no terrorist involvement.

Think Legion of Doom. Thats my theory. For every Hero we have met.....they have a counterpart.

Not quite, but I can still buy it. I haven't seen yesterday's episode but I can buy DL and the eraser and glasses man getting together a legion of doom type group.

jsmeeker

10-31-2006, 04:12 PM

Creators are already on record as saying no terrorist involvement.

Think Legion of Doom. Thats my theory. For every Hero we have met.....they have a counterpart.

these days, I think people would argue that the Leigon of Doom would be a terrorist organiztion.

unicorngoddess

10-31-2006, 04:18 PM

these days, I think people would argue that the Leigon of Doom would be a terrorist organiztion.

Nope, the first thing that pops into my mind when you say Leigon of Doom is Dr. Will from Big Brother :)

jsmeeker

10-31-2006, 04:20 PM

Nope, the first thing that pops into my mind when you say Leigon of Doom is Dr. Will from Big Brother :)

LOL.. Normally, I think the WWF guys. :D

But since this show is about Heroes and a lot of people here are comic book geeks, I figured this would refer to the comic book characters.

DevdogAZ

10-31-2006, 04:22 PM

Caution: DO NOT READ ON IF YOU DON"T WANT HEROS SPOILERS!!!
Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't want my typos exposed in huge big red letters. ;)

Legion

10-31-2006, 05:01 PM

Not quite, but I can still buy it. I haven't seen yesterday's episode but I can buy DL and the eraser and glasses man getting together a legion of doom type group.

Sure. Ok. Whatever you say. I'll stick with the show creator though. :)

In terms of Greg’s character, Matt Parker was originally introduced through a terrorism subplot [Greg was a cop who discovered the terrorists hiding in the basement of a house]. That subplot isn’t coming back, as we wanted to shy away from the whole issue of terrorism.

http://thetvaddict.com/?p=959

drew2k

10-31-2006, 06:00 PM

It seems to me that everyone's assuming that the nuclear bomb is ready to blow when the Heroes come in to save the day, in other words, at deployment. Instead, maybe the Heroes step in much earlier, and need Claire to stop the planning or building of the bomb, or even stop the "evil-doers" (Thanks, GW!) from joining forces in the first place?

smak

10-31-2006, 09:49 PM

Isn't it possible that the actual act of the Hero's trying to stop the bomb is what causes the bomb to go off in the first place?

-smak-

jsmeeker

10-31-2006, 10:11 PM

it's TV. Anything is possible. :)

Ghost_Dog1

10-31-2006, 10:32 PM

Actually he said "you look different without the scar."

He said one thing in 4,another in 5. I'm not sure which was which.

"Your scar"

"The Scar"

dianebrat

10-31-2006, 10:40 PM

He said one thing in 4,another in 5. I'm not sure which was which.

"Your scar"

"The Scar"

They have got to get a handle on continuity if they want to pull this show off. It's something that Lost handles perfectly, heck when a technical continuity glitch creeps in you actually have the producers come online and say "hey we screwed up.." example was the date on the x-ray last season of Lost that crept in..

There have routinely been scenes that change from the end of one episode/preview of next, to next weeks actual episode.

Items that come to mind are the scar comments,
the Claire autopsy comment of "oh my gawd" that changed,
the bad shot of the different Chandra Shuresh they used as a placeholder.
All the bills in the suitcase having the same SN...

The bar has been raised, we have Tivo, we can examine scenes.. you can't be sloppy like that and get away with it for very long.

just my 2 bits..

Diane

Ghost_Dog1

10-31-2006, 10:41 PM

Does anyone think maybe the train wreck was no accident? The Train was reported to belong to the Nuclear regulatory Commission.

I've been reading around the net.

There is a character coming. Who may be similar to a comic character named Damage.Who had the power to cause explosions?My guesse is this is the guy from the previews that followed the marathon. The guy Parkman was questioning with the boiling glass of water

Ghost_Dog1

10-31-2006, 10:45 PM

They have got to get a handle on continuity if they want to pull this show off. It's something that Lost handles perfectly, heck when a technical continuity glitch creeps in you actually have the producers come online and say "hey we screwed up.." example was the date on the x-ray last season of Lost that crept in..

There have routinely been scenes that change from the end of one episode/preview of next, to next weeks actual episode.

Items that come to mind are the scar comments,
the Claire autopsy comment of "oh my gawd" that changed,
the bad shot of the different Chandra Shuresh they used as a placeholder.
All the bills in the suitcase having the same SN...

The bar has been raised, we have Tivo, we can examine scenes.. you can't be sloppy like that and get away with it for very long.

just my 2 bits..

Diane

You are right. I watch a lot of Cheap Sci Fi. And I don't see the sloppiness that Heroes has at times.

sundancer_270

10-31-2006, 10:48 PM

"devdogaz" Is right ! The only thing he left out is >>>>>>>>> "save the cheerleader" From her father !!!! He's going to try to Kill her !

supasta

10-31-2006, 10:52 PM

I also have been noticing these small things. However, this is by far the BEST show on TV in quite some time IMO.

Legion

11-01-2006, 08:26 AM

They have got to get a handle on continuity if they want to pull this show off. It's something that Lost handles perfectly, heck when a technical continuity glitch creeps in you actually have the producers come online and say "hey we screwed up.." example was the date on the x-ray last season of Lost that crept in..

There have routinely been scenes that change from the end of one episode/preview of next, to next weeks actual episode.

Items that come to mind are the scar comments,
the Claire autopsy comment of "oh my gawd" that changed,
the bad shot of the different Chandra Shuresh they used as a placeholder.
All the bills in the suitcase having the same SN...

The bar has been raised, we have Tivo, we can examine scenes.. you can't be sloppy like that and get away with it for very long.

just my 2 bits..

Diane

I think the expression "forest for the trees" would fit nicely here. Its fiction, just enjoy it. Its not Masterpiece Theatre or some obscure Olivier scene. Its a show about super heroes living in a fictional time.

Now if Dateline NBC had continuity errors liek this, I could roll with you. Chris Hanson knows better though.

dimented

11-01-2006, 08:33 AM

I think the expression "forest for the trees" would fit nicely here. Its fiction, just enjoy it. Its not Masterpiece Theatre or some obscure Olivier scene. Its a show about super heroes living in a fictional time.

Now if Dateline NBC had continuity errors liek this, I could roll with you. Chris Hanson knows better though.

I agree. But if the continuity errors take you out of the fantasy then it is a bad thing. I know if I notice an error like this it kind of distracts me because it causes me to start thinking about it. The bottom line is it is just sloppy and for something as good as they are producing they should know better.

Rob Helmerichs

11-01-2006, 09:09 AM

cheesesteak

11-01-2006, 09:31 AM

Some people like to pick nits. Me, I prefer an interesting story. Heroes beats third season Lost up and takes its lunch money in that regard.

dimented

11-01-2006, 10:01 AM

Some people like to pick nits. Me, I prefer an interesting story. Heroes beats third season Lost up and takes its lunch money in that regard.

I agree. The story is most important to me as well. And none of the errors have bothered me at all. I was just pointing out that if some people notice them they can be puleed out of the story. I know it would probably happen to me if I noticed any of them. They just haven't been blatant enough for me to notice yet.

Legion

11-01-2006, 10:20 AM

Some people like to pick nits.

Exactly. I think for some its like a contest. See if they noticed something that others "missed".

Rob Helmerichs

11-01-2006, 11:32 AM

Exactly. It's not like on Battlestar, where Callie's escape happened two different ways in two consecutive episodes, and the way it happened in the first made events in the second impossible...

Legion

11-01-2006, 12:00 PM

Exactly. It's not like on Battlestar, where Callie's escape happened two different ways in two consecutive episodes, and the way it happened in the first made events in the second impossible...

Stay on task. This is a Heroes bashing thread.

Rob Helmerichs

11-01-2006, 12:44 PM

Stay on task. This is a Heroes bashing thread.
Oh, sorry, I thought it was a Lost-bashing thread. And I can never remember which show is the new Lost... :D

dianebrat

11-01-2006, 01:12 PM

Stay on task. This is a Heroes bashing thread.
*chuckle*

I'm not even considering it a bash, but when casual viewers are catching things it does detract from the experience, especially when other shows can manage it much better.

The Claire autopsy table scene was the worst I've seen.

Diane

stiffi

11-01-2006, 03:30 PM

I agree. But if the continuity errors take you out of the fantasy then it is a bad thing. I know if I notice an error like this it kind of distracts me because it causes me to start thinking about it. The bottom line is it is just sloppy and for something as good as they are producing they should know better.

If you're just moderately astute, continuity errors will take you out of the rhythm of the show. The face of Chandra Shuresh is a perfect example. We've seen 2 pictures of him, one I have never seen, but the other (from the book jacket) is a famous character actor. I don't know his name either but he was Elektra's father in Daredevil and the High Priest in Stargate the movie.

Mind you, I didn't rewind and pause those scenes. There was a long enough pause in real time for me to notice.

Graymalkin

11-01-2006, 03:45 PM

If you're just moderately astute, continuity errors will take you out of the rhythm of the show. The face of Chandra Shuresh is a perfect example. We've seen 2 pictures of him, one I have never seen, but the other (from the book jacket) is a famous character actor. I don't know his name either but he was Elektra's father in Daredevil and the High Priest in Stargate the movie.

The actor's name is Erick Avari, and he's credited on IMDB as playing the role of Chandra Suresh.

Graymalkin

11-01-2006, 03:47 PM

Oh, and if you look at IMDB's entry for "Heroes," it'll tell you who is playing the role of Sylar.

bobcarn

11-01-2006, 03:56 PM

*chuckle*

I'm not even considering it a bash, but when casual viewers are catching things it does detract from the experience, especially when other shows can manage it much better.

The Claire autopsy table scene was the worst I've seen.

Diane

Um, I don't know of any "casual" viewer that would notice during a 2-second shot that all of the serial numbers on the bills are the same. Even with Tivo, someone had to say "I'm gonna pause the image on the suitcase so I can compare the bills."

As for things like Claire's comment changing from the end of one episode to the beginning of another..... that is nothing really. It's a technique used quite a bit throughout movie history, especially during the period when they had serial westerns. A cliffhanger (ever wonder why we call it that?) at the end of one movie would show a stagecoach with the hero in it going off a cliff. The beginning of the next installment shows the hero jumping off at the last minute. It's just a bit of creative license.

I know people compare the "quality" of the show to Lost's, but the show isn't nearly as pretentious as Lost. Also, it's pretty easy to keep continuity in shows like Lost because the plot never advances. :D

jradford

11-01-2006, 04:38 PM

Oh, and if you look at IMDB's entry for "Heroes," it'll tell you who is playing the role of Sylar.
Must...resist....urge....to be.....spoiled..... :)

Ghost_Dog1

11-01-2006, 04:54 PM

Oh, and if you look at IMDB's entry for "Heroes," it'll tell you who is playing the role of Sylar.

He's always a bad guy. Bit of a small role for a big time movie guy.

DPF

11-01-2006, 05:19 PM

I don't trust that info. It wreaks of Edward Norton as Jack Bauers brother last season on 24. Particularly since it lists him as having been in this episode. Did we even see Sylar in there, even in a flashback all shadowy and such?

In fact, if you break out some google fu, this has been explicitly denied as a false rumor by the actor in questions reps

LordKronos

11-01-2006, 07:09 PM

Well, as far as I'm concerned, with the level of continuity errors that have been pointed out, if there's a problem it's not with the show. None of them have any effect whatsoever on the storylines. I think some of you are just being way too picky.

Bingo!!!! We have a winner!!!!!

Nits of this level are about on par with the people claiming that in the Spiderman movie (I think it was) that someone fired off a 357 magnum but the gunshot sound effect was actually from a 38 special (or something like that).

If you want to nitpick something, nitpick all the people in this thread who can't seem to spell HeroEs correctly