Heroes - "Better Halves" - 10/30/2006

[MickeS]

Hasn't even started here, but I'm SOOO looking forward to it. :)

EDIT: And now I see a thread for it started earlier today. :rolleyes: Can't people read the rules, I figured it would be enough for me to check that none was started within the last 2 hours... :)

[Graymalkin]

Nah, we'll use this one. That one was more about TV Guide's spoilers.



Is it even remotely possible that Nikki's alter ego is Sylar? I hadn't thought so, but she is definitely a bad-ass supervillainess.

And D.L. had himself a Vision moment! Whoo hoo!

[kurtangle]

my directivo messed up on this episode for the first time ever

it did not record Heroes saying that there was an episode of same title within last 24 hrs :( :down:

[alansh]

There's a rerun on SciFi later in the week; just explicitly program your TiVo to get it.

Still airing here in the Mountain timezone.

[Ghost_Dog1]

So was that Nikki's alter ego on the cover of 9th wonders?

[crowfan]

The ep got cut off right when the little girl with the short hair went to Issac's place. What happened after he opened the door?

[Ghost_Dog1]

The ep got cut off right when the little girl with the short hair went to Issac's place. What happened after he opened the door?


He asked who she was. She said "I'm a fan of your work". I think she may have asked to come in.


Thats it.

[syberspunk]

I screwed up and I missed tonight's episode. Any chance that any kind person has their tivo set up for access via the net? And would be nice enough to let me download tonight's episode?

Or would anyone be willing to upload tonight's episode in .tivo format somehwere, like on megaupload or something? I'd appreciate any help. Thanks. :)

Ste

[Jeeters]

If you have Sci Fi channel, it'll be aired there on Friday. You can also get it from iTunes.

[renov]

This show is quickly becoming the best new show of the season. Could the girl with Issac at the end be Sylar? When DL came out of the wall, wow, that was one of the coolest things I have seen. I think there is no doubt now that the son has powers of some kind.

[Philosofy]

I had a power failure: I was behind live tv, then the power failed, and I ended up watching the last 15 minutes live, then going back and getting the 10 minutes I missed. I was time traveling back and forth, kind of like Hiro. :)

Anyway, I saw the girl being a plant from her introduction. Interesting how the father reacted to "save the cheerleader." And the Nikki arc is still my least favorite. At least they didn't try to shoehorn the cop into this episode.

[mwhip]

I just want to say and brag...I called it when it came to Eden

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4487448&highlight=mohinder#post4487448

[katbug]

k, gonna post in the thread since it's still fairly new, but will duck out before it gets too long...just wanted to ask how people already knew about DL's ability to walk through walls before this? Wasn't last week his first appearance (where he didn't do much)?

P.S. Mine got cut off early too, just as he opened the door and she started to introduce herself. Thanks for the conclusion! ;0)

[Zevida]

A few comments:

Someone mentioned early on that Eden might be one of the bad guys and it looks like that was a good call. (Great name, too. Appropriate.) - edited to give credit to mwhip who beat me by a hair in posting his own props :)

Are we pretty sure that those were not Claire's true biological parents?

I was having a bit of a LotR flashback during Nikki's mirror conversation between her two halves. I'd say that her storyline still is the least interesting to me, which made this episode drag a bit, but still good in general.

katbug - they showed DL go through the wall in the previews after last week's episode.

[alansh]

Looks like it ran over a bit -- better pad it.

Eden showed up at Issac's. He asked her who she was, and she said "I'm an admirer of your work. May I come in?"

It then cut to Niki (or her alter ego -- the shoulder is covered so we can't see if the tattoo is there) still lying on the floor. Mohinder does narration: "Evolution is an imperfect and often violent process. Morality loses its meaning. The question of good and evil reduced to one simple choice: survive or perish."


The shot of DL strangling her from the inside was :eek:

[katbug]

Aha! Thank you Zevida!

[drew2k]

Are we pretty sure that those were not Claire's true biological parents?I'm sure.

When Hiro and Robin ducked into the men's room at the poker game, I heard the shouted line "Who invited her?" followed by the screams, and I suspected Nikki was there to save Hiro. I like how it turned out better.

Hiro is still the greatest though. "I had a sword." :)

BTW - I recorded Heroes tonight on my TiVo (HR10-250) and on my Cablevision 8300HD, and both got cut off at the end. However, TiVo recorded about 12 seconds longer than Cablevision's box, so "TiVo! Whoopee!"

[Amnesia]

Are we pretty sure that those were not Claire's true biological parents?Yes.

[mwhip]

Yes.

They still could have been. Her Dad could have had her made to try and produce a "hero" and then put her in the system and adopted her.

[MickeS]

The ep got cut off right when the little girl with the short hair went to Issac's place. What happened after he opened the door?

Same here (glad to see it didn't miss much). This reminded me why I've almost entirely stopped watching TV and download everything instead... are the networks really trying that hard to shoot themselves in the foot or what?

This episode was unfortunately not as good as the previous one. I miss Nathan! :) Nikki is just not compelling enough of a character IMO to warrant this much exposure in one episode.

I wasn't surprised to see that short-haired girl was working with cheerleader dad. Also, I'm starting to think that cheerleader dad is one of the good guys. I'm not sure about the bio-parents - they could be the real ones or they could not. Judging by the look on the bio-mom, I'm thinking they might be the real ones, but that cheerleader dad is blackmailing them or something similar.

Good writing though - the whole thing is moving along quite nicely overall. :)

[jsmeeker]

good episode.

When Hiro learned he had a sword, I knew what his reaction would be. :D

When D.L. said "a woman set me up", I knew it was Nikki. Why would Nikki come to save Hiro? There is no way she even knows about him. Seeing D.L. stick his hand into Nikki's body was cool as hell.

I was wrong about Eden. I really didn't think she was involved. I'm still not convinced Claire's is a good guy. When he told Claire she could meet her birth parents, my first reaction was he just arranged for some people to act as if they were her parents. I'm pretty sure that was the case.



-- save the cheerleader. save the world.

[Cboath]

Awesome awesome show.

I am pretty confident that those were not Claire's real parents either.

DL unlocking the door while Nikki wasn't looking was pretty cool.

My DVR cut the recording short as well so thanks for the recap!

[jsmeeker]

I forgot to mention that my TiVo cut off early too. (or really, more likely, it ran a bit late).. I freaked. Then, I remembered it was TiVoing Friday Night Lights. So, I switched over to that and finished up the last 30 seconds of the show.

[LoadStar]

My DVR cut off even earlier than all of yours... mine cut off as soon as Isaac wiped off the paint covering the double helix tattoo on the painting of Nikki.

I too am having the most trouble with Nikki's plotline. I mean, it is fairly obvious she's going to be one of the "heroes," but right now, she doesn't exactly seem like a hero. I mean, she could be, but her alter-ego isn't exactly cute and cuddly. :)

It definitely seems like those were not really her parents... the way her "dad" thanked the so-called bio-dad, then her mom revealed that they tried and failed to find the biological parents once before. it's too convenient that they were so easily found now.

[dswallow]

This show probably costs someone a few million dollars per episode to make, right?

Can't they afford to even borrow 8 or 10 *different* $100 bills rather than making copies of one bill to use for the top of each stack? Come on... I know they pay people good money for watching over these little details. Why don't we ever hear of someone being fired for doing a poor job at it?

Well, unless they're supposed to be counterfeit bills...

[jsmeeker]

This show probably costs someone a few million dollars per episode to make, right?

Can't they afford to even borrow 8 or 10 *different* $100 bills rather than making copies of one bill to use for the top of each stack? Come on... I know they pay people good money for watching over these little details. Why don't we ever hear of someone being fired for doing a poor job at it?

Well, unless they're supposed to be counterfeit bills...

just watch the show at 1x and enjoy it.

:)

[Amnesia]

They still could have been. Her Dad could have had her made to try and produce a "hero" and then put her in the system and adopted her.It's obvious that they were working with the adoptive dad or something. If he's going to trot out two people who are working for him, what advantage is it to trot out the real parents?

Add that to the fact that the adoptive mom said that the her husband had previously been trying to locate the real parents makes it unlikely that they were known pre-birth and had the cheerleader by design (at adoptive dad's behest).

[mwhip]

I too am having the most trouble with Nikki's plotline. I mean, it is fairly obvious she's going to be one of the "heroes," but right now, she doesn't exactly seem like a hero. I mean, she could be, but her alter-ego isn't exactly cute and cuddly. :)

I have said before and I will say it again...split personality disorder is not a super power.

[ebonovic]

Thanks again for the last 1 minute recap.
Both my HR20's and my R15 clipped the last minute.

So it definently was a NBC over run...
They started "early" by about 15 seconds
And then run long...

If there was any... can someone (in a spoiler tag), detail what was available in previews for next week..... I am a junkie that likes to get a taste of what is comming inext.

[Hound]

The bioparents where so obviously plants by glasses dad. "Tell us if we can help you out anytime," and stuff like that. "That seemed to go well." And the handshake at the end. That was his way of snuffing the bio-parents urge that she has. Beyond him wanting to have control there has to be some reason why he doesn't want her to meet them.

So is Niki dead? If so that would satisfy the people who where worried about her being evil and being unable to be a hero.

However I'm wondering about the kid more and more.

There was a lot of hype when it first came off that a character (or more) was going to die. So she may truly be gone. They had killed Isaac at one point and changed their mind with what to do with his charater.

[AJRitz]

I <3 endpadplus :D

Another excellent episode. I'm pretty sure both that those were NOT Claire's biological parents and that Claire's Mom is completely clueless about the whole situation.

DL hinted pretty strongly at his ability to walk through walls when he assured his son, with a wink and a nod, that there was no jail that could hold him and answered when asked how he got out of prison, "I walked out." Strangling Nikki from the inside was pretty damned cool. But I'm guessing she's not gone for good. Somehow, I get the feeling that he's, at best, killed one of her personae.

Hiro continues to provide the comic relief.

This show always ends leaving me wanting more.

[stalemate]

So is Niki dead?This is what I'm wondering too. If I recall correctly, the voice-over at the end was saying the word 'perish' as her body was shown on the screen. I first took this to mean she is dead but I'm not sure.

[LoadStar]

I have said before and I will say it again...split personality disorder is not a super power.

Yes, but it certainly seems that when her alternate personality takes over, it also gives her super powers... I mean, did you see her whip her husband across the room and into the wall? And clearly she has enough speed/strength/whatever to take out multiple groups of mobsters, any of which could kick Nikki's butt without breaking a sweat.

[dswallow]

Thanks again for the last 1 minute recap.
Both my HR20's and my R15 clipped the last minute.
Ever hear of soft padding?; oh wait... never mind.

:p

(I have everything recording 2 minutes early through 5 minutes later and haven't once experienced a cutoff on anything except those shows damaged by earlier over-running sports coverage; it's really the only way to record network shows these days since you can't trust them to not play these stupid games with stretching shows to fit in more commercials.)

[Hound]

Next Week

You see Niki laying dead, Flash of someone with two dark spots on their shoulder, maybe Nathan?

DL and Micha meet Hiro and Friend in the middle of a desert and a car is on fire. Hiro looks like hes about to stop time.

Nathan says to Peter - What if people find out about us? Also a flash through the sky that looks like Nathan flying.

A flash of a picture that is not very clear what the picture is.

Another flash of the S symbol on the painting of Niki. That painting had blood across its face.

Peter running around excited about something or another.

It was a very omnimious flash sequence, and fast.

A flash of Micha staring at something. There is a reflection in his eyes I want to pause and go back and see.

Forgot one

Cheerleaders brother find out she heals instantly and she tells him that they can not tell anyone.

[atrac]

A few comments:

Someone mentioned early on that Eden might be one of the bad guys and it looks like that was a good call. (Great name, too. Appropriate.) - edited to give credit to mwhip who beat me by a hair in posting his own props :)

Well, I'd like to toot my own horn on this one:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4441072&&#post4441072

I will say that mwhip was more precise on whom she was working for though... ;)

[lordargent]

Looks like it ran over a bit -- better pad it.

Eden showed up at Issac's. He asked her who she was, and she said "I'm an admirer of your work. May I come in?"

It then cut to Niki (or her alter ego -- the shoulder is covered so we can't see if the tattoo is there) still lying on the floor. Mohinder does narration: "Evolution is an imperfect and often violent process. Morality loses its meaning. The question of good and evil reduced to one simple choice: survive or perish."

Thanks, that's what I came here looking for.

/can't believe networks still screw up timings like this

[Hound]

They had a 20 hour long commercial for Friday Night Lights which seemed to push back the ending. I had to dart out the door at full speed to make it to work.

[spikedavis]

I have said before and I will say it again...split personality disorder is not a super power.

no-but super strength is. and only one personality has it.

[Hound]

She smacked him across the room, into a closet/dresser thing which shattered when he hit it with one thwack of a suitcase. I say superstrenght, considering shes RIPPING people apart.

Now when Hiro and co where in the potty, there was snarly growling noises made outside as people where ripped apart. I had wondered about that considering the bathroom door is cracked almost in half and blood is seeping through it.

[atrac]

I like that Nikki was unphased by D.L.'s superpower. "So this is how you got out of jail" -- Very matter of fact. She knows she's got power so she isn't surprised by anyone else with them too I suppose.

I want a soundtrack of the music from this. Some of it still gives me chills. The scene with the Eden saying goodbye to Mohinder...it's so soothing...like New Age music. It actually reminds me of some of the music from 1984's "Dune" by Toto.

*Edit* Just did a Yahoo Search on "Wendy Melvoin and Lisa Coleman," the composers of the music for this show. I don't know why I didn't realize it, but they're "Wendy & Lisa!" I still remember Prince introducing them at the Oscars or Grammys or something like that back in the late 80's. "This is Wendy, and this is Lisa." heh heh. I digress.

So who's "the voice of Shenkar???" ;)

[WinBear]

Another awesome episode, but we're left hanging on what happened to the cop after collapsing at the convenience store last week.

Oh, I think they should get Kari Matchett from Invasion to play Claire's real bio-mom. The one in this episode was almost suitable, but I keep seeing Mariel in Claire.

[Uncle Briggs]

Ever hear of soft padding?; oh wait... never mind.

:p

(I have everything recording 2 minutes early through 5 minutes later and haven't once experienced a cutoff on anything except those shows damaged by earlier over-running sports coverage; it's really the only way to record network shows these days since you can't trust them to not play these stupid games with stretching shows to fit in more commercials.)My favorite shows, Heros, Lost and BSG always get padded on both ends.

[mwhip]

Until I see her rip people apart I am diagnosing her with split personality disorder. :D

[spikedavis]

Until I see her rip people apart I am diagnosing her with split personality disorder. :D

Thank god you don't write TV shows! :)

[dswallow]

So what's the likelihood of a genetic mutation that both your parents have leads to you having a similar genetic trait?

(I don't mean in real life; I mean in the minds of these writers. :))

[Hound]

So he can rip walkthrough walls apart while killing people?

[JYoung]

*Edit* Just did a Yahoo Search on "Wendy Melvoin and Lisa Coleman," the composers of the music for this show. I don't know why I didn't realize it, but they're "Wendy & Lisa!" I still remember Prince introducing them at the Oscars or Grammys or something like that back in the late 80's. "This is Wendy, and this is Lisa." heh heh. I digress.

So who's "the voice of Shenkar???" ;)

Wendy and Lisa have been doing the music for Tim Kring's other show, Corssing Jordan, for several years now.
Shenkar? You got me?

Nikki obviously has super strength in her "bad" persona and it's been hinted at for a while now.

The question is, is Nikki dead or just "Bad Nikki"?

[bpurcell]

*Edit* Just did a Yahoo Search on "Wendy Melvoin and Lisa Coleman," the composers of the music for this show. I don't know why I didn't realize it, but they're "Wendy & Lisa!" I still remember Prince introducing them at the Oscars or Grammys or something like that back in the late 80's. "This is Wendy, and this is Lisa." heh heh. I digress.

Wendy & Lisa were with Prince in the early to mid 80's. IIRC, they were long gone by the late 80's. I can still remember their seductive banter at the beginning of one of his songs on the Purple Rain album:

"Wendy"

"Yes, Lisa"

"Is the water warm enough"

"Yes, Lisa"

"Shall we begin?"

"Yes, Lisa"

Also there's a song on that same album called Darling Nikki about a seduction woman. Coincidence? Probably.

[bruinfan]

I can't believe there is a debate on whether the biological parents were real or not... so obviously fake...

show is cool.

So, all these powers came on at the same time? It seems like it, but I wonder how long Nathan has known he could fly, cuz he does it with such proficiency. It seems like when you discover the power, you need some time to learn it, but nathan seems like he's been doing it for a while.

[smak]

Very good episode, but for the first time really I could easily telegraph most things.

1. That Nikki stole the 2 million
2. That Eden worked for Claire's dad
3. That Claire's bioparents weren't.

Those were really easy, I knew each of them the moment they were mentioned.

But besides that, I liked it, and this time they got the poker cheating right :)

Another thing. As noted in previous threads, people thought Eden works for Claire's dad, and they were right. But people are saying, see we knew she was evil....We don't know she or Claire's dad are evil. I think it's something we are supposed to believe, but i'm not convinced.

Also. What is to be made of the fact that now we have 2 more super powered people with a previous relationship, Nikki and D.L. We had the Petrelli brothers. We had maybe Isaac who Peter was caring for his girlfriend's dad.

And then, you have what seems like random people. An L.A. cop, a Texas cheerleader, a Japanese guy...

Interesting.

-smak-

[JETarpon]

Thank GOD they got rid of the annoying Surface narrator! :up: :up: :up: :up:

[cheesesteak]

I'm hoping Nikki's got at least one life left. I kinda liked looking at Ali Larter.

[Warren]

Thank GOD they got rid of the annoying Surface narrator! :up: :up: :up: :up:


wait what?

[Zevida]

Until I see her rip people apart I am diagnosing her with split personality disorder. :D

I think it is blatantly obvious at this point that Nikki does have a split personality disorder, with one of her personalities being the "normal" Nikki and the other personality is evil Nikki. Evil Nikki knows about and uses the superpowers - apparently hulk-like strength. Normal Nikki prefers to remain oblivious. It sounds like what happened is that Nikki couldn't handle the super powers as they began to develop and so her core self split in two, one to handle the super powers and the other to continue living normal.

Or something :D

[ruexp67]

I believe Nikki is still alive, and will become one of the "bad guys."

I want to see Peter's reaction to (my assumption) Isaac getting kidnapped. That is obviously what Eden was there to do.

I also liked the conversation with the mom and Claire about her childhood "illness." That was obvously a cover story told by the dad to keep the mom in line. Clever to just slip it in like that.

[mrpope]

The ep got cut off right when the little girl with the short hair went to Issac's place. What happened after he opened the door?

that's exactly where mine cut off.

[newsposter]

k, gonna post in the thread since it's still fairly new, but will duck out before it gets too long...just wanted to ask how people already knew about DL's ability to walk through walls before this? Wasn't last week his first appearance (where he didn't do much)?

P.S. Mine got cut off early too, just as he opened the door and she started to introduce herself. Thanks for the conclusion! ;0)

I thought we got your posting fears out in the other thread :)

I think it cut off for all of us..the NBC top of the hour bug was already on screen so it wasn't a tivo error per se. It was truly 10:00 and it should have been over.

hiro always looks like he's forcing a fart...wish they would change that

[newsposter]

This show probably costs someone a few million dollars per episode to make, right?

Can't they afford to even borrow 8 or 10 *different* $100 bills rather than making copies of one bill to use for the top of each stack? Come on... I know they pay people good money for watching over these little details. Why don't we ever hear of someone being fired for doing a poor job at it?

Well, unless they're supposed to be counterfeit bills...

I haven't looked up ad rates (assuming futon still posts them) but wow, it really costs millions per ep ? I just never thought about it.

another angle as far as the money goes..i was always of the understanding that real money could not legally be reproduced at its correct size. You may blow up or shrink down a real bill but not the same size. I may be wrong. I dont recall the money in this ep but from your post assume it was just a bad fake copied 10 times. So they appear to have met with the letter of the law. But like you said, one of the producers probably had real money on his person and should have ponied up. (or raided petty cash)

--------------------
I think it's weird how all these seemingly unrelated people seem to be working together and somehow are on collsion courses. It's almost like......nope, wont do it.

[crowfan]

I would love to pad, but alas, my POS Cablevision DVR doesn't really allow padding. Correction: it SAYS it allows padding, but when you actually pad the show, it just ignores you and records from 9-10 without any padding. :rolleyes: Once the price of the S3 comes down, this should no longer be a problem. :)

[danterner]

So who's "the voice of Shenkar???" ;)

No clue. But every time I see her referenced in the opening credits, I wonder if she's related to the Face of Bo (http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:-CihpbsAxw0mgM:http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/02gallery/1024/03.jpg) from Dr. Who. :D

[terpfan1980]

What?! No endless discussion about how bad Hiro was at cheating at poker? :D

[SeanC]

But besides that, I liked it, and this time they got the poker cheating right :)

I loved this as well.

I assume that the guy they cheated explained to them how to do it. Of course when they showed it Hiro was lucky in that the one guy not in on it, and not dealing, hadn't picked up any of his cards. I'm still unclear as to why you wouldn't just wait for the deal to happen and the dealer to put the deck down then stop time and take what you need right from the deck.

But that's just me.

[GDG76]

I hope Niki is/stays dead. She is the one character on this show I can't stand.

[MickeS]

I loved this as well.

I assume that the guy they cheated explained to them how to do it. Of course when they showed it Hiro was lucky in that the one guy not in on it, and not dealing, hadn't picked up any of his cards. I'm still unclear as to why you wouldn't just wait for the deal to happen and the dealer to put the deck down then stop time and take what you need right from the deck.

But that's just me.

I still don't get why you wouldn't just look at everyone else's cards, but not actually change them. Makes for a much more believable cheat than getting straights and full houses all the time.

[kdelande]

For the first time, my DirecTiVo failed me -- said that it didn't record this ep. b/c the same one was in the NP list or the 28 day rule. Uh, I think not... :(

Bad, bad TiVo...no dinner for you tonight...

I'll grab it from SciFi though, thanks for the mention of that from some of you...

KD

[dimented]

I still don't get why you wouldn't just look at everyone else's cards, but not actually change them. Makes for a much more believable cheat than getting straights and full houses all the time.

How would that work though since it is not Hiro playing? His friend is the one playing so how would Hiro tell him what the other cards were without stopping time for everyone else but the 2 of them, which he has not shown he is able to do?

[TIVO_GUY_HERE]

my directivo messed up on this episode for the first time ever

it did not record Heroes saying that there was an episode of same title within last 24 hrs :( :down:


My Series 1 standalone did this as well. Will catch the rerun on Sci-fi

[jpwoof]

My episode got cut off too. Try watching the episode online at nbc.com.

[TAsunder]

I loved this as well.

I assume that the guy they cheated explained to them how to do it. Of course when they showed it Hiro was lucky in that the one guy not in on it, and not dealing, hadn't picked up any of his cards. I'm still unclear as to why you wouldn't just wait for the deal to happen and the dealer to put the deck down then stop time and take what you need right from the deck.

But that's just me.

You're assuming that the other players aren't hack amateurs who would look at their cards before it was their turn to act.

I don't get how Hiro managed to put the card in the exact same spot in the air. That was weird.

I like people who were proud of themselves for figuring out Nikki stole the 2 mil in this episode when many of us figured it out a while back.

I think it would be very cool if Nikki is dead and the whole purpose of her character was to introduce DL.

[jking]

How would that work though since it is not Hiro playing? His friend is the one playing so how would Hiro tell him what the other cards were without stopping time for everyone else but the 2 of them, which he has not shown he is able to do?

Here we go. Another six page thread about the best way to cheat at poker. :rolleyes: :p :D

[jschuman]

I think it's possible that DL is the good guy hero and will join forces with the others at some point (perhaps with Mica). In this scenario Nikki is part of the Legion of Doom.

[dimented]

Here we go. Another six page thread about the best way to cheat at poker. :rolleyes: :p :D

Not what I was getting at at all. More pointing out what Hiro can and cannot seem to do with his abilites. Does that fit the thread better? :p

[TAsunder]

Uh... HELLO!? If Nikki is alive, she's alive as the good nikki. The bad nikki, with a tatoo and shirt open on the right shoulder, is the one pictured in the precog's painting as dead, and in the last shot of her, we see the shirt open on the left shoulder with no tattoo.

[ebonovic]

Ever hear of soft padding?; oh wait... never mind.



:) Yep.... wish it would get added...

[dswallow]

Here we go. Another six page thread about the best way to cheat at poker. :rolleyes: :p :D
It's apparently a topic some people have thought about a LOT. :)

[jsmeeker]

I'm still unclear as to why you wouldn't just wait for the deal to happen and the dealer to put the deck down then stop time and take what you need right from the deck.

But that's just me.

Because you forgot that this is a fictional TV show about people with super powers. Hiro stopping cards in mid air makes for a cool looking visual effect, both with the cards hanging there when he stops them and then once again when he puts different cards back in their place.

[jking]

I think it's possible that DL is the good guy hero and will join forces with the others at some point (perhaps with Mica). In this scenario Nikki is part of the Legion of Doom.

Forgive me, I'm not a big comic person, other than the mainstream, more popular ones. Has there ever been a hero who has to learn to control their bad urges and harness their power for good? I think this is where Nikki is headed, not that she is/will be a villian, but that once she learns to control the powers that her bad self has, she will be able to use them for good.

[jschuman]

Forgive me, I'm not a big comic person, other than the mainstream, more popular ones. Has there ever been a hero who has to learn to control their bad urges and harness their power for good? I think this is where Nikki is headed, not that she is/will be a villian, but that once she learns to control the powers that her bad self has, she will be able to use them for good.Sure that's possible. Anything's possible at this point, I'm just guessing. :)

[ScottE22]

I believe that Shenkar is an Indian(?) singer. I think he has sung on tracks with Peter Gabriel. He doesn't "sing" in the American sense of the word, but kind of does that vocal wailing that you hear in a lot of Indian music.

I've been Googling but can't find much and have to get some work done.

Carry on.

[mwhip]

I believe that Shenkar is an Indian(?) singer. I think he has sung on tracks with Peter Gabriel. He doesn't "sing" in the American sense of the word, but kind of does that vocal wailing that you hear in a lot of Indian music.

I've been Googling but can't find much and have to get some work done.

Carry on.


Ravi Shankar (http://www.ravishankar.org/)

and he has a daughter, Nora Jones.

[mulscully]

I thought it was cool when Hiro was moving the cards around and threw the last 2 cards into the air over the table and they stuck there....

[Hound]

If good Niki is alive, maybe we will see some super moves or something with that huge strenght.

Her husband seemed to assume she was evil and had framed him and murdered everyone very easily. You'd think that what she had discussed with him and everything els,e he'd hear her out. Even if he dosent, I bet the kid knows that she didn't do it and he'll convince DL of the split Niki's somehow.

However, Super Strenght would be useful in a Hero type of way.

I also still say that the cheerleader isen't sensing much pain. If you pick up a hot pan, even if you heal instantly the pain has to cause you to scream and release. Shes just not even feeling the pain (hence the rib in ep one)

[ihatecable]

I have said before and I will say it again...split personality disorder is not a super power.
no-but super strength is. and only one personality has it.
It’s called PMS. If you where married you’d know all about it and more importantly when to get out of the room. :D

[srs5694]

(I have everything recording 2 minutes early through 5 minutes later and haven't once experienced a cutoff on anything except those shows damaged by earlier over-running sports coverage; it's really the only way to record network shows these days since you can't trust them to not play these stupid games with stretching shows to fit in more commercials.)

Looking at this from a glass-is-half-full perspective, if NBC is padding the show's running time to fit in more commercials, at least that means that it's doing well in the ratings.

[TAsunder]

Looking at this from a glass-is-half-full perspective, if NBC is padding the show's running time to fit in more commercials, at least that means that it's doing well in the ratings.

To me it seemed like a dirty trick to get us to watch whatever was on after heroes. In this case friday night vomit. I mean lights.

[unicorngoddess]

For the people that think Nikki's character the least interesting, I think considering the possibility that she is the bad guy of the show might help. Nobody ever said that she will clearly be one of the heroes.

As for Claire's supposed bioparents...I thought it was obvious that they were going to be fake. But then when she actually met them, the mother does look an awful lot like Claire. (Yeah, I know they're just actors, but if they put that much effort into picking an actress that looks like the actress that plays Claire, maybe there was a reason for it.) I think, considering the dad's line of work (whether good or evil) maybe he had Claire geneticly engineered and found a surrogate to carry the baby so he could set up a believable story for his wife. So it could be that these bioparents have been on the payroll the whole time but he just didn't want their identities to come out before because he wanted to see if baby Claire could overcome whatever illness she had on her own...like a test of her powers.

[jsmeeker]

One thing bothered me about Claire last night. She grabbed the pan of cupcakes out of the oven without mitts or anything else. Yes, she heals her self. But it's so sloppy for her to do that around someone like her mother. To me, it seemed that the writers just wanted a scene to show off her power wtihout it really being even remotely integral to the plot.

[mwhip]

Anyone got any theories on why Hiro could not freeze time when Nikki was in the room?

[Rob Helmerichs]

Forgive me, I'm not a big comic person, other than the mainstream, more popular ones. Has there ever been a hero who has to learn to control their bad urges and harness their power for good? I think this is where Nikki is headed, not that she is/will be a villian, but that once she learns to control the powers that her bad self has, she will be able to use them for good.
Oh yeah, all the time.

The classic example is the Marvel comic Thunderbolts, which is about a group of villains who changed their costumed identities and posed as superheroes. Originally, it was an evil plot (although not all of them were in on it), but the good bad guys won, and since then, it's been a super-hero team comprised of reformed villains.

There's an interesting twist about to happen in conjunction with the Civil War event. The pro-government side has recruited a bunch of non-reformed villains, some of the worst in the Marvel universe, implanted chips in their heads or something, and are going to force them to work for the government as the New Thunderbolts. That should be interesting, especially since the book is being written by Warren Ellis, who has one of the nastiest minds in comics.

[Jericho Dog]

It’s called PMS. If you where married you’d know all about it and more importantly when to get out of the room. :DWhich is, of course, a superpower in and of itself.
"My Hubby sense is tingling...." RUN!

:eek:

[unicorngoddess]

Anyone got any theories on why Hiro could not freeze time when Nikki was in the room?

Maybe his powers aren't advanced enough to freeze what he can't see. Since she was on the other side of the door, he had nothing to focus on and therefore couldn't freeze.

[Idearat]

It looks like we got an answer the dozen or so posts speculating on the Hiro of the present's command of the English language last week. He didn't learn to speak English in a matter of hours, but his friend taught him how to saw what he wanted over the telephone. Previously he had left a message in Japanese but had asked his friend to tell him how to say what he wanted to say. As soon as someone started speaking at the other end he had to get his friend involved to translate.

[Jericho Dog]

Anyone got any theories on why Hiro could not freeze time when Nikki was in the room?He didn't seem concerned about it at the time.
I think they were in the middle of a conversation and he just didn't try hard enough.

[TAsunder]

At the time I was thinking he was all "time stopped" out. That would be appropriate for his character, to have used up all his time hormones for cheating and then not be able to use them to save people.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Anyone got any theories on why Hiro could not freeze time when Nikki was in the room?
He doesn't seem to be able to do it on purpose when under stress.

[Jericho Dog]

He doesn't seem to be able to do it on purpose when under stress.Although, seeing a nuclear explosion coming your way would be pretty stressful.....
:eek:

[Hound]

I think Hiro couldn't concentrate cuz he was to scared and I think he was tired as well. Hes using his power over and over and over and over annk it failed him when he needed it the most.

I still wanna know whats up witht he roaring snarling noises.

[bonscott87]

Had no problem with the recording on my HR20 but then I pad 2 minutes on the show.

Re: The cop and Claire

I like the theory someone brought up a week or so ago. That the cop is not actually in our timeline but 10 years or so earlier. I think the little girl he saved was actually Claire and her parents are actually dead.
Sounds cool anyway.

[TAsunder]

What was with the 2nd pair of glasses on daddy-o? Was that supposed to be important somehow or just a little reminder?

[mwhip]

I still wanna know whats up witht he roaring snarling noises.

Maybe she turns into a werewolf?

[Hound]

Maybe his power is horn rimmed glasses.

Cop is in our timeline.

[Ghost_Dog1]

Maybe Shenkar is a misspelling of Shankar?

[stiffi]

Anyone got any theories on why Hiro could not freeze time when Nikki was in the room?


Come on people! It's been mentioned, you just have to put it together. Nikki might be Sylar, or at least have the same sinister powers. If that's the case, she might be able to stop the Heroes powers, just like the dude in the bar with the Cop.

[brott]

Had no problem with the recording on my HR20 but then I pad 2 minutes on the show.

Re: The cop and Claire

I like the theory someone brought up a week or so ago. That the cop is not actually in our timeline but 10 years or so earlier. I think the little girl he saved was actually Claire and her parents are actually dead.
Sounds cool anyway.


Something like that makes more sense. It's always bothered me that "Dad" went out and met the Cop only to be back home later in what appeared to be the same day. The Cop's in LA and the "Dad" is in Texas. If the Cop is a prequel to everyone else, then his storyline really does start to make sense.

[Idearat]

Maybe she turns into a werewolf?

Might not be too far off. When DL was looking through the comic books with Micah there was another issue of 9th Wonders! at the bottom of the stack. At the time ( about 28 mins in to the episode ) I was wondering who that was, the only clue being blonde hair.

I think we got a peek at what Nikki's alter ego looks like:



http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q277/idearat/nikki.jpg


That sure looks like something that could rip people apart.

[dimented]

Come on people! It's been mentioned, you just have to put it together. Nikki might be Sylar, or at least have the same sinister powers. If that's the case, she might be able to stop the Heroes powers, just like the dude in the bar with the Cop.

If so then she was sure not able to stop her husban's powers was she?

[ScottE22]

Ravi Shankar (http://www.ravishankar.org/)

and he has a daughter, Nora Jones.

That's the guy! I was Googling for "Shenkar" because that's the way everyone was spelling it in this thread and I didn't have the opening credits to reference for spelling.

Didn't know Norah Jones was his daughter - very interesting trivia.

[jking]

It looks like we got an answer the dozen or so posts speculating on the Hiro of the present's command of the English language last week. He didn't learn to speak English in a matter of hours, but his friend taught him how to saw what he wanted over the telephone. Previously he had left a message in Japanese but had asked his friend to tell him how to say what he wanted to say. As soon as someone started speaking at the other end he had to get his friend involved to translate.

Yeah, but he had a pretty good conversation with Flying Man at the diner, and his friend was nowhere around at the time.

[jking]

Come on people! It's been mentioned, you just have to put it together. Nikki might be Sylar, or at least have the same sinister powers. If that's the case, she might be able to stop the Heroes powers, just like the dude in the bar with the Cop.

I didn't think they guy at the bar was able to stop everyone's powers, it's just that his power is manipulating the brain/mind in some way, and since the cop's powers deal with the brain/mind, he was able to block him. We've seen no evidence that he can stop all powers, or else he would have been able to stop the Flying Man from taking off.

I thought it was funny when the Pixie was talking to Claire Dad and mentioned what she'd heard about Hiro being able to stop time or whatever and the Dad was like "Cool". It made me think that he at least admires the powers and maybe doesn't think of everyone as just lab rats.

[Cboath]

That's the guy! I was Googling for "Shenkar" because that's the way everyone was spelling it in this thread and I didn't have the opening credits to reference for spelling.

Didn't know Norah Jones was his daughter - very interesting trivia.


Who is he? Why is Ravi mentioned all the time? I think I remember seeing his name in the credits, but the picture on his site didn't ring a bell.

As far as Hiro not being able to freeze time.... If I remember right, he started to (did the face scrunch thing) and his friend hit him in the arm and that broke his concentration. Then they started talking.

[Cboath]

Also, I think it was mentioned in a previous thread, but does anyone thing that pixie girl can manipulate people? Glasses dude made a comment about knowing she could persuade a little harder or something. Any time the guy says he is giving up and going home, all she had to do before was say "Don't go" and he would be like "ok". Maybe she just let him go this time.

[mwhip]

Also, I think it was mentioned in a previous thread, but does anyone thing that pixie girl can manipulate people? Glasses dude made a comment about knowing she could persuade a little harder or something. Any time the guy says he is giving up and going home, all she had to do before was say "Don't go" and he would be like "ok". Maybe she just let him go this time.

That was speculation way back because I found it odd that every time Mohinder said he did not want to do something she would look at him and say "but don't you think you should look?" or something to that effect and he would always do it.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4487448&highlight=mohinder#post4487448

[Cboath]

That was speculation way back because I found it odd that every time Mohinder said he did not want to do something she would look at him and say "but don't you think you should look?" or something to that effect and he would always do it.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4487448&highlight=mohinder#post4487448


In that case, I agree with you!! :D

[jschuman]

I love the show, but I find the Mohinder plotline super boring - and hate, hate, hate the voice-overs from his character.

[TAsunder]

Also, I think it was mentioned in a previous thread, but does anyone thing that pixie girl can manipulate people? Glasses dude made a comment about knowing she could persuade a little harder or something. Any time the guy says he is giving up and going home, all she had to do before was say "Don't go" and he would be like "ok". Maybe she just let him go this time.

I don't buy it... she didn't do anything differently and she clearly wanted him to stay, as did glasses guy.

[LordFett]

Anyone got any theories on why Hiro could not freeze time when Nikki was in the room?
Panic was my guess. Plus as mentioned previously he was tired from all the time stop cheating.

Did anyone notice the book sized/shaped present that was left for Claire?

[Cboath]

I don't buy it... she didn't do anything differently and she clearly wanted him to stay, as did glasses guy.


My thought was that she is genuinely interested in him, so she kissed him, and if he came back it would be for her and not because she manipulated him into it.

[bobcarn]

...
Another thing. As noted in previous threads, people thought Eden works for Claire's dad, and they were right. But people are saying, see we knew she was evil....We don't know she or Claire's dad are evil. I think it's something we are supposed to believe, but i'm not convinced.
...

That's the thing that I really like about this show. The characters are very multidimensional and good and evil aren't clear-clut in some cases.

Nikki... All this time, I thought she was going to be one of the heroes, but she's not. At least, I certainly hope she's not. Her superstrength alter-ego is very much a villain. No two ways about it. Now, whether or not Nikki is still alive and her evil doppleganger died is another thing. But that doppleganger is definitely NOT a good guy. Actually, I liked DL by the end of the eppy. Not a lot, and he's definitely not a good guy (planning a bank robbery pretty much means you're not good), but he's not the killer we were led to believe.

Claire's dad... I can see where he's not exactly one of the good guys, but not necessarily one of the bad guys either. Or at least not one of the very bad guys. All we know is that he's kidnapped people, but then released them within a day or so with their memories wiped. It's not exactly a noble gesture, but not pure evil either. He did wipe that one kid's mind, but that kid was a habitual rapist. A really evil guy would've probably killed the kid. Also, he seemed to show concern over Claire when he heard the "Save the Cheerleader" line. So I don't believe he's a good enough character to be a hero, but it's still up in the air if he's bad enough to be a real villain.

Actually, the only real villains we've seen so far are Nikki's alter-ego and Sylas.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Nikki... All this time, I thought she was going to be one of the heroes, but she's not. At least, I certainly hope she's not. Her superstrength alter-ego is very much a villain. No two ways about it. Now, whether or not Nikki is still alive and her evil doppleganger died is another thing. But that doppleganger is definitely NOT a good guy.
But look who she goes after. The most positive interpretation is that she is a VERY nasty vigilante.

[unicorngoddess]

Cop is in our timeline.

Do you have proof? I don't think there's evidence that has shown one way or another. And, if fact, none of our "Heroes" have been seen to interact with the cop while everyone else has seemed to cross paths through one connection or another. Issack doesn't have a picture of the cop in any of his paintings either so it seems like the cop doesn't have any role in saving the cheerleader and/or saving the world.

[bobcarn]

But look who she goes after. The most positive interpretation is that she is a VERY nasty vigilante.

Not really. Vigilantes at least work with the premise that they're going after bad guys. Nikki's only motivation was to get rid of witnesses.

I can't quite put together why she went after the poker party. I know all of the pieces are there, but I have a brainfart or something.

[bobcarn]

Do you have proof? I don't think there's evidence that has shown one way or another. And, if fact, none of our "Heroes" have been seen to interact with the cop while everyone else has seemed to cross paths through one connection or another. Issack doesn't have a picture of the cop in any of his paintings either so it seems like the cop doesn't have any role in saving the cheerleader and/or saving the world.

That's true. It could very well be that the cop's storyline happens in the future a little bit. I tend to think it's the current timeline, but then again, it's possible it's a short jump to the future. When Hiro went to the future, it wasn't known until the very end (when the bomb went off) that he was in the future.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Not really. Vigilantes at least work with the premise that they're going after bad guys.
I will buy that argument whole-heartedly (personally, I'm on the fence about Nikki so far) when she goes after somebody who is NOT a bad guy.

[bobbi]

Nikki... All this time, I thought she was going to be one of the heroes, but she's not. At least, I certainly hope she's not. Her superstrength alter-ego is very much a villain. No two ways about it. Now, whether or not Nikki is still alive and her evil doppleganger died is another thing. But that doppleganger is definitely NOT a good guy. Actually, I liked DL by the end of the eppy. Not a lot, and he's definitely not a good guy (planning a bank robbery pretty much means you're not good), but he's not the killer we were led to believe.



I was thinking that good Niki died and evil Niki lived, since she's the stronger one?

(weee....delurking...)

[bobcarn]

I will buy that argument whole-heartedly (personally, I'm on the fence about Nikki so far) when she goes after somebody who is NOT a bad guy.


Yeah, but it's really hard (practically impossible) to justify ripping people into pieces. She pretty much went to the point where she's not even an antihero.

I was thinking that good Niki died and evil Niki lived, since she's the stronger one?

(weee....delurking...)

But then again, the evil Nikki was in control when she "died".

[scottykempf]

Not really. Vigilantes at least work with the premise that they're going after bad guys. Nikki's only motivation was to get rid of witnesses.

I can't quite put together why she went after the poker party. I know all of the pieces are there, but I have a brainfart or something.

Did you watch the episode? One of the guys at the poker game was the fence that DL and Nikki were going to see. That's why DL took her to that place to meet that person, because he was the fence, the only surviving person who knew that Nikki's alter ego was the one who did the bank job with DL's old crew.

[unicorngoddess]

I can't quite put together why she went after the poker party. I know all of the pieces are there, but I have a brainfart or something.

The guys at the poker party were DL's witnesses that he was set up. When he told Nikki about this, her alter ego figured out that she had to shut up those witnesses so she wasn't found out.

[GDG76]

That's the thing that I really like about this show. The characters are very multidimensional and good and evil aren't clear-clut in some cases.


That's why I hate when the voice-over guy always refers to "the face of evil" or "pure evil" when referring to Claire's father. We haven't seen him do a single evil thing yet.

[DevdogAZ]

I always watch TV with the closed captioning on and found it interesting that whenever Claire's dad speaks, the captioning doesn't credit the voice to "Dad" or "Mr. Bennett" but rather to "H. R. G." which means that, at least at this point, his character is being referred to as Horn-Rimmed Glasses.

Enjoyed this episode. Can't wait for next week. By far the best new show of the season.

[unicorngoddess]

That's why I hate when the voice-over guy always refers to "the face of evil" or "pure evil" when referring to Claire's father. We haven't seen him do a single evil thing yet.

Well, he did try to kill the quarterback. Well, maybe not actually try to kill but he sure did scare the crap out of him. And even though we don't know what his motives are, I think they've shown that he's willing to do whatever it takes to serve his cause.

[choccy]

I'm hoping Nikki's got at least one life left. I kinda liked looking at Ali Larter.

Fate of Niki (note, only 1 K!):

Right on your TiVo, the description of next week's show.. there is mention of Niki being alive.

[bobcarn]

Did you watch the episode? One of the guys at the poker game was the fence that DL and Nikki were going to see. That's why DL took her to that place to meet that person, because he was the fence, the only surviving person who knew that Nikki's alter ego was the one who did the bank job with DL's old crew.

Of course I watched the episode. For some reason though (maybe the way I was thinking last night), I didn't realize that the people they went to see that were all ripped up were the same people that were at the poker party. With all of the blood and gore, and the camera not staying on the scene very long, I didn't make the connection.

It was late when I watched it. I had taken my evening meds. The cat was bothering me.

Other things too. :p

[dimented]

Well, he did try to kill the quarterback. Well, maybe not actually try to kill but he sure did scare the crap out of him. And even though we don't know what his motives are, I think they've shown that he's willing to do whatever it takes to serve his cause.

True, but if his cause is good then does that make him good? If you are willing to do anything it takes for a good cause, then are all your actions inheritantly good?

There are some fuzzy lines here. I think the best explanation so far from my feelings is that he is good but is willing to do some evil things to accomplish his good agenda. Again, just my take on his character so far.

[bobcarn]

Well, he did try to kill the quarterback. Well, maybe not actually try to kill but he sure did scare the crap out of him. And even though we don't know what his motives are, I think they've shown that he's willing to do whatever it takes to serve his cause.

Yeah, but in the face of what Nikki and Sylas have been doing, he's practically a saint.

[Ghost_Dog1]

I Don't think we've seen the last of Nikki or her demon.

The Chance encounters thing is getting a little unbelievable. How many time can they "run into each other ?

I'm looking forward To Mr Bennets next visit to New York.

As far as Eden's Persuasive ability. At First I thought Mr. Bennent meant she should Bang Suresh. But now the Idea that she may have a super persuasive ability is interesting. Little miss mind control?


Speaking of Music what was the Chant playing, while Isaac reveal The Symbol in the Nikki painting.

I Hope NBC doesn't go overboard with the ad time. The amount of ads is already an issue with me. I tried to wait till 9:20 last night and chase play. (I could'n't wait :( )

No I'm not going to watch Friday night lights!

[scottykempf]

Well, he did try to kill the quarterback. Well, maybe not actually try to kill but he sure did scare the crap out of him. And even though we don't know what his motives are, I think they've shown that he's willing to do whatever it takes to serve his cause.

Well, the quarterback did try to rape his "daughter". Oh, and accidently killed her. Oh, and dumped her body in the river. Oh, and he raped a bunch of other high school girls.

[TAsunder]

The chance encounteres aren't being played as chance. More like destiny or manipulation.

To quote the film Zero Effect...
There aren't GOOD guys and EVIL guys. It's all just a bunch of guys!

[newsposter]

For the first time, my DirecTiVo failed me -- said that it didn't record this ep. b/c the same one was in the NP list or the 28 day rule. Uh, I think not... :(



may i make a general recommendation (to all). Once a week check history for the upcoming week. It is not foolproof as there are legitimate repeats and other reasons for a show not to record, but it definitely has saved my butt enough times that I make sure every sunday i check history for the week.

[Sparty99]

Of course I watched the episode. For some reason though (maybe the way I was thinking last night), I didn't realize that the people they went to see that were all ripped up were the same people that were at the poker party. With all of the blood and gore, and the camera not staying on the scene very long, I didn't make the connection.

It was late when I watched it. I had taken my evening meds. The cat was bothering me.

Other things too. :p
Don't worry, I didn't make the connection either. Of course, I'd had a couple of drinks, so maybe that was it. :D

[GadgetFreak]

Anyone think that Mica created his mom's alter-ego, perhaps as a way to protect her? He seems to know a lot about it, and when he told his Dad that Mom also had a secret he looked a little sheepish like he felt guilty.

[unicorngoddess]

True, but if his cause is good then does that make him good? If you are willing to do anything it takes for a good cause, then are all your actions inheritantly good?

There are some fuzzy lines here. I think the best explanation so far from my feelings is that he is good but is willing to do some evil things to accomplish his good agenda. Again, just my take on his character so far.

You know, I just finished reading the book Wicked and there was a real good line in there about good/evil.

Not an exact quote, but it went something like this, "It's not the people that claim to be evil that you should worry about. It's the people that claim to be good."

[LordFett]

I can't quite put together why she went after the poker party.
Because they knew who took DL's place on the 2 mil heist and would have given Nikki up. By taking them out she got rid of the witnesses.

Sorry for the smeek, I started writing right after this was posted but got busy at work.

[choccy]

OK people.. for some reason this is SO bugging me!

Here is the correct way to spell the various character's names (from IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0813715/fullcredits)):

Micah Sanders
Niki Sanders

(IMDB page may contain spoilers!)

No more Mica or Nikki, please! :eek:

Oh, and HRG is actually credited as "Horned Rim Glasses".

[unicorngoddess]

Niki Sanders


But that looks too much like Nike (pronounced like the shoe brand)

IMDB is far from being a reliable source anyway since its database is user created. Anyone know how the name is spelled in the CCs or the show credits?

[MickeS]

I was thinking that good Niki died and evil Niki lived, since she's the stronger one?

Who knows, but the painting that Isaac made of the event showed evil Niki on the floor (the shoulder tattoo).

[Graymalkin]

You know, I just finished reading the book Wicked and there was a real good line in there about good/evil.

Not an exact quote, but it went something like this, "It's not the people that claim to be evil that you should worry about. It's the people that claim to be good."

Well, if someone comes out and says they're evil and they're going to do something bad to you, I'm going to worry about said someone. Silly, I know, but that's just me. ;)

So now we got to worry about evil people and REALLY worry about good people? No wonder I need meds! :D

[danterner]

Something like that makes more sense. It's always bothered me that "Dad" went out and met the Cop only to be back home later in what appeared to be the same day. The Cop's in LA and the "Dad" is in Texas. If the Cop is a prequel to everyone else, then his storyline really does start to make sense.

This was my theory, referenced here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4508079&&#post4508079) . I'm thrilled that people haven't immediately dismissed it, and that a few people actually seem to like it. Personally, I think it's pretty out-there but I'd love if it turned out to be true. I did, however, note something in this episode that may poke a pretty big hole in the theory: when Claire was talking with her mom near the end of the episode, and her mom mentioned testing her chromosomes, did mom say something along the lines of "when you were a baby?" I think she might have. This would be problematic, as it suggests that HRG and Claire's mom had already adopted Claire when she was much younger than the girl whose parents were killed.

[Ghost_Dog1]

Anyone have an idea of what the missing painting was?

[Graymalkin]

Because they knew who took DL's place on the 2 mil heist and would have given Nikki up. By taking them out she got rid of the witnesses.

Uh huh. And then Evil Niki convinces Clueless Niki to get the $2 million -- while D.L. is still in the house.

It's a good thing (in a manner of speaking) that Evil Niki is so darned lucky, because a criminal mastermind she ain't.

[phox_mulder]

Anyone have an idea of what the missing painting was?

The burning train wreck?

They'd be able to find out where she lives by that.
After he painted it they saw it on a news report which had the location.


phox

[jschuman]

The burning train wreck?

They'd be able to find out where she lives by that.
After he painted it they saw it on a news report which had the location.


phoxooh, that's good. Now I hope that is the missing painting.

[unicorngoddess]

Well, if someone comes out and says they're evil and they're going to do something bad to you, I'm going to worry about said someone. Silly, I know, but that's just me. ;)

So now we got to worry about evil people and REALLY worry about good people? No wonder I need meds! :D

Nah, it's more like you need to worry about people that do bad things but claim they're for a good cause. Like previous post say, the QB did technically kill Claire. But would it then be right for HRG to kill QB for a good cause? People have been known to do some pretty messed up things in the name of good...but that doesn't mean they're a good person.

[GDG76]

Anyone have an idea of what the missing painting was?

It probably just tells them where to find her - like you can read the school name on her uniform or something like that...

[MickeS]

For those who like me missed the very end of the show, NBC has the latest episode for viewing on its website, and it's fortunately split up into 6 parts, so you can just watch the last part which was just a few minutes long. :)

http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/?show=heroes

[jsmeeker]

The burning train wreck?

They'd be able to find out where she lives by that.
After he painted it they saw it on a news report which had the location.


phox

yeah.. that's my guess. He painted it in the Pilot, and they compared it to the photo on the front page of the newspaper.

[milo99]

But that looks too much like Nike (pronounced like the shoe brand)


well, ACTUALLY, Nike and Niki stem from the same word. In Greek, Nike (but pronounced Niki in Greek) is the word for victory, also the goddess of victory in ancient mythology. It's where the name Niki originally came from (before it became a shortened version Nicholas).

Nike the shoe company is named directly after Nike the godess of victory.

So they look alike because in reality, they should be one in the same :D

[Ghost_Dog1]

The burning train wreck?

They'd be able to find out where she lives by that.
After he painted it they saw it on a news report which had the location.


phox


I bet that's it !

[milo99]

i find it interesting that theres so much debate about whether Niki and others such as HRG are good or evil. In the narration, they made it a point, twice, to say that sometimes, its not about good or evil, but rather survival. Don't you all think that this means something? There's a lot of gray. I don't think these characters are all going to be easily put into a good or evil camp. Some will of course, but i think there will be several who are not so neatly categorized.

[DevdogAZ]

But that looks too much like Nike (pronounced like the shoe brand)

IMDB is far from being a reliable source anyway since its database is user created. Anyone know how the name is spelled in the CCs or the show credits?
It has one "k" in the CCs also.

[MickeS]

The website spells it Niki. I would think they are correct. :)
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/bios/niki.shtml

[mwhip]

So what it Micah's power going to be? He has to have one being the off spring of two heroes.

[Ruth]

The burning train wreck?

They'd be able to find out where she lives by that.
After he painted it they saw it on a news report which had the location.


Oooh, good call. I bet that's it.

Speaking of Claire, did anyone notice that at the beginning of the ep, when they had text on the screen with the characters' names, the one for Claire mentioned her mother by name? That made me wonder if maybe mom has some importance or connection to the plot that hasn't been developed yet. Everyone else who was named is a major character.

I am sick of Niki. I would be OK if she really were dead and the focus shifted to Micah and DL. Probably not gonna happen though.

Hiro's knowledge of English is a bit too inconsistent for me to swallow. Last week he had a whole nearly-fluent conversation in English in the diner, this week he is back to understanding nothing and needing a translator. It just seems a really weird continuity error for such a well-thought-out show.

I did think this week was a little more predictable than past shows have been. Even last week it was clear to me that it was Niki who set up DL, so this week's subplot on that wasn't too compelling to me. Still a great show though and I can't wait for next week.

[cherry ghost]

The train wreck doesn't fit.


http://sv1.letmehost.com/sv1/21/ThePaintingsTellAStory.PNG

[Graymalkin]

If the train wreck fits, you must acquit. :D

[unicorngoddess]

well, ACTUALLY, Nike and Niki stem from the same word. In Greek, Nike (but pronounced Niki in Greek) is the word for victory, also the goddess of victory in ancient mythology. It's where the name Niki originally came from (before it became a shortened version Nicholas).

Nike the shoe company is named directly after Nike the godess of victory.

So they look alike because in reality, they should be one in the same :D

Wow, that's awesome. I totally didn't know that. I wonder if that gives new meaning to her character. Like, did they name her that on purpose to show that she will indeed be leading our Heroes into victory?

[unicorngoddess]

So what it Micah's power going to be? He has to have one being the off spring of two heroes.

What if his power is some kind of manifestation. Like someone mention that maybe he created Niki's alter ego to help protect them. What if he can somehow make something happen just by thinking about it?

(Yes, I watch LOST)

[choccy]

But that looks too much like Nike (pronounced like the shoe brand)

IMDB is far from being a reliable source anyway since its database is user created. Anyone know how the name is spelled in the CCs or the show credits?

NIKI

(yes, I checked :p )

[milo99]

Wow, that's awesome. I totally didn't know that. I wonder if that gives new meaning to her character. Like, did they name her that on purpose to show that she will indeed be leading our Heroes into victory?

if the writers did that on purpose, i'd be seriously impressed. So in other words, i doubt it :)

[ced6]

Just a minor comment, I don't think that Hiro's use of English is inconsistent. IIRC, the conversation in the diner was pretty simple on the part of Hiro and the other character could tell he didn't speak English well, so he probably spoke slower than your average conversation. On the phone, people were speaking quickly to Hiro and he also couldn't view their body language to help clue him in on the meaning of words he didn't understand.

Kind of like how in French class, you can understand the tapes and videos where everyone's speaking simple sentences and slowly, but then when you hear actual French spoken you're lucky if you catch a few words.

Of course, this is all from memory, so I may be completely wrong :D

[Ghost_Dog1]

In Chapter 2 there is a painting of Claire and her Friend who Knows. Simone was taking it. Isaac took it back. This was in the "How am I supposed to paint the future" scene.

Could that be the missing 1?



The painting also appears at the end of chapter 4. When Isaac comes to from his Vision of Claire being chased. The Painting from chapter 2 is lined up with the others.

It has to be the Train Wreck. Or The Claire in the School hallway painting.

[rkester]

Finally the new graphic novel for this episode is online!

[Cragmyre]

Since the events of cheerleader's demise looks to take place in the school stadium, I'm guessing the missing painting is of the high school or stadium...probably displaying its name. None of the events in the current paintings have taken place yet, though the train wreck has come and gone. If it were to be a comic book, the events would be closer together...again, just guessing :)

[3D]

Anyone think that Mica created his mom's alter-ego, perhaps as a way to protect her? He seems to know a lot about it, and when he told his Dad that Mom also had a secret he looked a little sheepish like he felt guilty.


He might have been talking about his mom's internet activity, which he probably figures his dad doesn't know about.

[TAsunder]

He might have been talking about his mom's internet activity, which he probably figures his dad doesn't know about.

I don't think so... why would dad suddenly turn on Niki then? I think Micah has witnessed something she doesn't know about. Or was pretending to be asleep while she buried the dead people. Or found the money in the attic.

[rkester]

I was thinking that Mica has interacted with the alternate Mom enough times to know it's not the same person as the nice sweet slutty mom. But the scene where he was talking to Mom and mentioned the whole get packed thing he didnt seem to know one from the other.

the comic for this week is once again way too short. but it does answer some questions.

[MrGreg]

If the missing painting is the train wreck, then will they find the wrong cheerleader (aka the one who took credit)?

Also, it's a good thing Claire has healing powers. Otherwise with as clumsy as she is she'd be dead already. (Hand in garbage disposal, football tackle, stick through brain, burnt hands, etc.)

[dimented]

Finally the new graphic novel for this episode is online!

Do you have a link? I can never seem to find it.

[cherry ghost]

In Chapter 2 there is a painting of Claire and her Friend who Knows. Simone was taking it. Isaac took it back. This was in the "How am I supposed to paint the future" scene.

Could that be the missing 1?



The painting also appears at the end of chapter 4. When Isaac comes to from his Vision of Claire being chased. The Painting from chapter 2 is lined up with the others.

It has to be the Train Wreck. Or The Claire in the School hallway painting.

http://www.heroesmedia.com/coppermine/albums/screenshots/103_1/snapshot20061010092843.jpg

[rkester]

here's the PDF version for episode 06:
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/downloads/Heroes_novel_006.pdf

And the online interactive version:
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_006.shtml

[Ghost_Dog1]

http://www.heroesmedia.com/coppermine/albums/screenshots/103_1/snapshot20061010092843.jpg


What do you think? Is that the Clue? Wildcats pride? I can never see what Claires sweater says. But Maybe if they look close at the painting it shows?

[LoadStar]

Hmm. Going back to the tattoo Niki has... to me, it's pretty clear that it's an abstraction of a DNA strand - well, actually, half of a DNA strand, as I recall. I've not paid close enough attention - does her alter-ego have the mirror half, have we seen? Or is there another character that has the mirror image of the tattoo, to "complete" the one Niki has? And if so, is this a clue?

[dimented]

here's the PDF version for episode 06:
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/downloads/Heroes_novel_006.pdf

And the online interactive version:
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_006.shtml


Your right. That was pretty short.

[cherry ghost]

What do you think? Is that the Clue? Wildcats pride? I can never see what Claires sweater says. But Maybe if they look close at the painting it shows?

I think that one fits better than the train crash. It will make it harder for them to figure it out.

[dimented]

Hmm. Going back to the tattoo Niki has... to me, it's pretty clear that it's an abstraction of a DNA strand - well, actually, half of a DNA strand, as I recall. I've not paid close enough attention - does her alter-ego have the mirror half, have we seen? Or is there another character that has the mirror image of the tattoo, to "complete" the one Niki has? And if so, is this a clue?

Where have you been? :)

Seriously, we have had extensive discussions about this and it seems to be the concencus that most of the heroes have this mark somewhere associated with them. For example the cheerleader had it on on of her textbooks. Also, the Indian fathers book has it on the cover if I remember right. Basically it is the symbol of the Heroes.

[LoadStar]

Where have you been? :)

Seriously, we have had extensive discussions about this and it seems to be the concencus that most of the heroes have this mark somewhere associated with them. For example the cheerleader had it on on of her textbooks. Also, the Indian fathers book has it on the cover if I remember right. Basically it is the symbol of the Heroes.

Sorry, until this week I've been running a week behind, so I've avoided the threads. :) In any case, I was more wondering about whether there is anything to the thought that it might be "completed" by someone else's tattoo.

[dimented]

Sorry, until this week I've been running a week behind, so I've avoided the threads. :) In any case, I was more wondering about whether there is anything to the thought that it might be "completed" by someone else's tattoo.

No problem. Just giving you slack. :p

Interesting idea. I am not sure if that has been talked about. But I would say that the fact that it has been used in a lot of places would signify it as a symbol for those of altered DNA. Off the top of my head I can rembember it in about half a dozen places. Eraser guy with glasses guy wears it around his neck for example.

But you may be on to something. Time will tell I guess.

[3D]

I don't think so... why would dad suddenly turn on Niki then? I think Micah has witnessed something she doesn't know about. Or was pretending to be asleep while she buried the dead people. Or found the money in the attic.


I didn't think it was suddenly. I thought he turned on her because he saw her with the money and realized that she set him up. Or are you saying that Micah elaborated and told his dad everything that you presume he witnessed? I hadn't thought of that, but I suppose it's possible.

[phox_mulder]

http://www.heroesmedia.com/coppermine/albums/screenshots/103_1/snapshot20061010092843.jpg

That one does fit better.

I like the misdirection the train wreck could cause though.
They find "a" cheerleader, but not "the" cheerleader.

Or, perhaps it will be a purposeful misdirection.
They use the train wreck painting, Sylar sees it and goes after the wrong cheerleader, thus the heroes have saved "the" cheerleader, and thus the world.

(overuse of the word thus, -10 points)


phox

[rkester]

I think the save the cheerleader thing is going to involve more than just a simple rescue. TO me it sounds like larger picture thing.

question is, will it happen during sweeps? ;)

[milo99]

if i recall correctly, the train wreck painting just had an aerial shot of the wreckage- no cheerleader there. So Peter and Isaac woudln't be looking for that painting since they wouldn't be able to tell that it has anything to do w/ the cheerleader- they'd have to watch the local news to know about that but then, well, that kinda defeats the mystery.

[TonyD79]

He might have been talking about his mom's internet activity, which he probably figures his dad doesn't know about.

I don't think so. Micah reads 9th Wonders, so maybe he saw his mom in the comic book at some point? We haven't seen all the pages of all the issues.

Or he wasn't asleep when they went to the desert....

[TAsunder]

I didn't think it was suddenly. I thought he turned on her because he saw her with the money and realized that she set him up. Or are you saying that Micah elaborated and told his dad everything that you presume he witnessed? I hadn't thought of that, but I suppose it's possible.

He saw her come from the attic with a briefcase. If he trusted her he wouldn't have immediately turned on her, he would have said, "what's in the briefcase?" and she would have said, "I'm so sorry... I was involved after all" and he would say, "what are you saying?" ... that sort of thing.

Instead it played like he knew something really bad about her and was just waiting for her.

Of course, the alternate explanation is, he poofed through the ceiling and saw the money as she opened the briefcase. But even then, why turn on her? She clearly was remorseful... he must have found out something juicy and naughty.

[unicorngoddess]

For some reason, it almost seemed like her alter ego was setting her up. Why tell her where the money is and then let the clumbsy, careless Niki crawl up in the attic, make a helluva lot of noise, and finally drop the suitcase on the floor for anyone in the house to hear. It seems like bad Niki can't come out until she's threatened and bad Niki wanted to get DL out of the way so bad that she created a threat to give bad Niki the chance to take over and get rid of DL for good.

[rkester]

But the thing is that the badside Niki has good intentions. In the comic this week...

she is seen involved in the heist for the $2million. and after, when the guys all are talking about what to do with their share, she says shes using it for school tuition.

So we know she isnt all bad when shes the alternative person.

[zordude]

I have said before and I will say it again...split personality disorder is not a super power.

Backhanding someone and having them fly throught the air with enough force to demolish your armoire is a good trick though.

Z

[Idearat]

I don't think so. Micah reads 9th Wonders, so maybe he saw his mom in the comic book at some point? We haven't seen all the pages of all the issues.

Or he wasn't asleep when they went to the desert....

If that was her on the cover of issue #9, no telling what was inside. Hiro's issue was pretty detailed and he recognized himself. Micah would likely recognize his mom if she was was featured.

[MickeS]

I think the save the cheerleader thing is going to involve more than just a simple rescue. TO me it sounds like larger picture thing.

question is, will it happen during sweeps? ;)

Obviously, by "save the cheerleader" they mean "make the cheerleader accept Jesus Christ as her lord and saviour".

[rkester]

Any chance there is a better shot of the 9th Wonders cover somewhere?

[newsposter]

is save the cheerleader like save the key in buffy?

[slydog75]

has anoyone found any 'hidden secrets' in the comics? They allude that their are some to find on the main page.

[Fleegle]

Obviously, by "save the cheerleader" they mean "make the cheerleader accept Jesus Christ as her lord and saviour".

::snort::

Great, now I have people prairie-dogging in the office to see why I just barked out a very loud laugh. Thanks alot! :mad:
;)

[rkester]

Ive not really found any secrets. But im not sure what they are eluding to. I mean, the show itself is full of secrets and messages and symbols.

Unless there are things there I did not see or optical illusions or something I dunno. Ive only viewed it via the PDF so maybe the online version has something more to offer.

[bruinfan]

Also, I think it was mentioned in a previous thread, but does anyone thing that pixie girl can manipulate people? Glasses dude made a comment about knowing she could persuade a little harder or something. Any time the guy says he is giving up and going home, all she had to do before was say "Don't go" and he would be like "ok". Maybe she just let him go this time.
All women have this power... If they close their eyes, and really concentrate....

on that bra strap.... :cool:

[thatmeowgirl]

But like you said, one of the producers probably had real money on his person and should have ponied up. (or raided petty cash).
That is illegal. You can't use really money in television and film. I've acquired prop money for productions and it's actually really expensive. There's only one good manufacturer here in LA.

[gerbil42]

Anyone have an idea of what the missing painting was?

I'm guessing the missing painting, the one that will identify Claire, or point them in the right direction was the train explosion, which will lead to the news stories of the Cheerleader who saved the guy, so they'll go to Odessa and target the wrong cheerleader at first, the one who stole Claire's credit.

[phox_mulder]

That is illegal. You can't use really money in television and film. I've acquired prop money for productions and it's actually really expensive. There's only one good manufacturer here in LA.

Actually, I believe you can't show a whole bill, 1, 5, 10, 20, etc.

If you have them fanned out with something obscurring the top one, that's ok.

If you have a folded bill, it's ok.

Or something like that.

We used to have a list of things not allowed in commercials we air,
and this was one of them.


phox
(TV Station Employee)

[stellie93]

no-but super strength is. and only one personality has it.

It seems like we aren't in agreement about this--does "good" Niki have the same powers but just doesn't know it or know how to use them? Also, I never heard of killing one personality in a split personality case. At least not physically, but you may be able to get rid of one or the other. Are we talking dead body and somehow the other personality is still alive?

I keep expecting Hiro to "get tired" and have to rest before he can stop time again, but they show no sign of limitations. He must have done it a bunch of times during the card game. But it's also hard to imagine that he can't do it under stress. This whole thing is stressfull beginning to end.

HRG guy must know that Claire told her friend about her powers--he stole his tape. That kid is probably due for an erasure....or worse.

[alansh]

If you view the interactive comic and click on the page (other than the first couple of pages which take you to a Versa ad), you get a popup. It's a piece of art, or a Petrelli campaign commercial. The popup only seems to work in IE. The Wikipedia entry for Heroes has direct links to the easter eggs.

As the online comics seem to be canon, alter-Niki is more than just strong.She rips the door off a safe!

[painkiller]

But didn't the conversation between alter-Niki and good-Niki turn out to be true?

(Alter-Niki said that DL would take Micah from her.)

So alter-Niki convinced good-Niki to take the money (and Micah) and run.

[stichnot]

I haven't seen any speculation on this yet -- maybe Hiro's "do-over" will affect Niki and change her future where she is killed by her husband.

[TIVOSciolist]

NIKI

(yes, I checked :p )

For some reason, I vaguely seem to recall that her website was www.lasvegasnikki.com.

(I'm at work so I'm not going to try this site to see what pops up.)

[JYoung]

For some reason, I vaguely seem to recall that her website was www.lasvegasnikki.com.

(I'm at work so I'm not going to try this site to see what pops up.)


Don't worry. It's a parked domain.

[danterner]

Don't worry. It's a parked domain.

www.lasvegasniki.com , on the other hand, redirects to the 9thwonders official/unofficial website for the show.

[Hound]

Okay - Horned Rimmed Glasses Bald Hollowing Out Dude was in LA to get the cop. We then see HRG at the lab. So HRG didn't have to go to LA in fact it was prob to dangerious for him to with a mind reader about.

So we don't have to assume HGA is moving to fast to be in the same timeline. He has flunkies who he trusts and uses.

And I think Pixigirl planted her persuasion with that kiss.

[busyba]

That is illegal. You can't use really money in television and film.
Hmmm. That's odd. Why not?

[Ghost_Dog1]

Why does mister Bennet need Mohinder?You might think he'd want him out of the way. He and "Mister Forget about it" seem to be able to find the gifted without him.

[drew2k]

It's interesting that Nasty Niki didn't tell Nice Niki about the $2-million in the attic a couple of episodes ago, when Nice Niki owed $30K to Linder... Both Nikis could have avoided the desert road trip and sleeping with Nathan.

[drew2k]

Obviously, by "save the cheerleader" they mean "make the cheerleader accept Jesus Christ as her lord and saviour".And also make her British?! :eek: :p

[drew2k]

He might have been talking about his mom's internet activity, which he probably figures his dad doesn't know about.DL knew all about LasVegasNiki - he even commented to her that he didn't care how she earned her money, he was supportive of it in fact.

[drew2k]

Just a minor comment, I don't think that Hiro's use of English is inconsistent. IIRC, the conversation in the diner was pretty simple on the part of Hiro and the other character could tell he didn't speak English well, so he probably spoke slower than your average conversation. On the phone, people were speaking quickly to Hiro and he also couldn't view their body language to help clue him in on the meaning of words he didn't understand.

Kind of like how in French class, you can understand the tapes and videos where everyone's speaking simple sentences and slowly, but then when you hear actual French spoken you're lucky if you catch a few words.

Of course, this is all from memory, so I may be completely wrong :DWell, your memory matches mine! I thought Nathan and Hiro had a very simple conversation, using short simple words and a lot of hand gestures to convey meaning. I didn't see anything out of place. (I've been looking online to see if I could find some transcripts of the diner scene, but no luck!)

[thatmeowgirl]

Hmmm. That's odd. Why not?
There's some law prohibiting the depiction of actual United States paper money in films and television. Also the difficulty of controlling a large quantity of real money on the set requires the use of prop currency.

Same thing with prop drugs.

[Ghost_Dog1]

It's interesting that Nasty Niki didn't tell Nice Niki about the $2-million in the attic a couple of episodes ago, when Nice Niki owed $30K to Linder... Both Nikis could have avoided the desert road trip and sleeping with Nathan.


I wonder if she did'nt have it then. The Suitcase under the card table with the gun on it was similar. Maybe DemoNiki took it during the massacre?

[busyba]

Here's the cheerleader enjoying some light-hearted moments on the set.... :)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2677/haydentoplessxq6.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1892/haydentopless2pg3.jpg

[Ghost_Dog1]

Here's the cheerleader enjoying some light-hearted moments on the set.... :)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2677/haydentoplessxq6.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1892/haydentopless2pg3.jpg


Oh my god! Aren't those gang signs?

[choccy]

Looks like "the shocker" to me.

[busyba]

Oh my god! Aren't those gang signs?
Well, the top one is "the shocker", not a gang sign.

As for the bottom one, I'm not aware of which gang sign consists of attempting to lick one's own rended torso. ;)

[Ruth]

As for the bottom one, I'm not aware of which gang sign consists of attempting to lick one's own rended torso. ;)
I don't know either but that must be one tough gang! :D

[Ghost_Dog1]

I did'nt know what the shocker was. Till I read the wikipedia. Oh Boy Claire when dad finds out!



Oh man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shocker_(hand_gesture)

[smak]

Do we know the cheerleader needing to be saved is Claire ;)

-smak-

[smak]

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1892/haydentopless2pg3.jpg

I'd hit it.

-smak-

ps. Errrr, next summer.

[Ghost_Dog1]

Do we know the cheerleader needing to be saved is Claire ;)

-smak-


Well Sylar has a more advanced Version of Suresh's map. So I think he Knows which brain he wants.

[unicorngoddess]

There's some law prohibiting the depiction of actual United States paper money in films and television. Also the difficulty of controlling a large quantity of real money on the set requires the use of prop currency.

Same thing with prop drugs.

They also have the same rules about military uniforms. Actors can't use authentic military uniforms in tv shows or movies.

[dswallow]

I have searched online for the last 40 minutes and have found just one single reference to the concept that there might possibly HAVE ONCE BEEN a law prohibiting the use of real currency in filmed productions. But I can't find it, and I've searched through the US Treasury site too. The only mention of any restriction on reproduction is related to printing, in color or black & white, and specifically requires the reproduction to be 50% or less or 150% or more of the original size of the currency.

I doubt very much there is a law prohibiting the use of real currency in filmed/televised productions (though welcome anyone who's able to quote the specific law involved if there is one); if there's any reasoning to using prop money at all, it's simply because it's less worry to control on stage.

[LordFett]

http://lordfett.com/rpf/herosbook.jpg

[Ghost_Dog1]

http://lordfett.com/rpf/herosbook.jpg


OOOO a present!Whats the occasion?

[drew2k]

OOOO a present!Whats the occasion?Reunion. The fake bio-parents probably left it for Claire, and as suggested earlier, it's probably a copy of Suresh's book. (It will be interesting to see which picture graces the book jacket: Professor #1, or Professor #2.)

[atrac]

That's the guy! I was Googling for "Shenkar" because that's the way everyone was spelling it in this thread and I didn't have the opening credits to reference for spelling.

Didn't know Norah Jones was his daughter - very interesting trivia.

Indeed, last night's episode incorrectly spelled "The Voice" as "Shenkar." Previous episodes seem to switch the spellings between "Shankar" and "Shenkar." Thanks for clearing up the correct spelling!!!

WOW, someone needs a better proofreader!

(Unless of course Shenkar is Shankar's son??)

[busyba]

They also have the same rules about military uniforms. Actors can't use authentic military uniforms in tv shows or movies.
My understanding is that it goes beyond tv and movies. IIRC, wearing an authentic US military uniform that you are not entitled to wear by virtue of actually serving in the military is illegal in general.

EDIT: Ok, I found the relevant laws. 10 USC, Subtitle A, Part II, Chapter 45, Sections 771 (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode10/usc_sec_10_00000771----000-.html)and 772 (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode10/usc_sec_10_00000772----000-.html).

Interestingly, one of the exceptions listed in 772 specifically allows actors in movies and other theatrical productions to wear authentic uniforms.

[dswallow]

My understanding is that it goes beyond tv and movies. IIRC, wearing an authentic US military uniform that you are not entitled to wear by virtue of actually serving in the military is illegal in general.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/a/uniformwear.htm

I've never heard that before; and I've had friends who have been in the armed services who've at times offered to get me uniforms at the PX as costumes. Now apparently "uniform" doesn't mean the clothing alone, but combined with proper insignia/medals, et. al. In other words, the devil's in the details... though they did offer general insignia as well so the uniform looked OK; this was in DC... Navy/Marines, specifically.

It still appears to be something there'd be little concern about, certainly for purposes of making movies/television shows -- and the latter is likely able to be authorized easily enough anyway.

[Delta13]

Pretty clearly as busyba noted, movies and tv shows are exempted from the military clothing rules. The main reason they show up wrong on tv shows and movies is bad uniform setup or understanding. Insignia in funny places, turned wrong, wrong decorations. You name it.

Here's the cheerleader enjoying some light-hearted moments on the set.... Shouldn't that be "some open-hearted moments"?

:)

[RyMcQ]

By the way, everyone, the Shenkar in the soundtrack is Lakshminarayana Shankar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshminarayana_Shankar), not Ravi (Norah Jones's dad). With that first name, I can't blame him for going by his last name only.

Click here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FFE3zUKmyU) for video of him playing violin and singing with Peter Gabriel on his Secret World Tour. You'll recognize his voice from the Heroes soundtrack.

[PeternJim]

I'm intrigued by Hiro's inability to stop time during the shredding of the poker players. Other people have mentioned either his tiredness or the stress of being frightened, (either of which might be true), but he's been pretty good at knee-jerk uses of his power before, stopping time to save the little girl and time-traveling when the bomb went off.

Of course, he was prepped for the girl, and the bomb was a direct threat to himself.

But, the only other time so far that we've seen him using his power around another Hero was the future Hiro stopping time on the train with Peter, and everyone mentioned how weird the lighting looked. Hiro said something to the effect that it was really hard for him to maintain it (and we assumed it was because he had traveled so far in time.) And even so, Peter didn't freeze at all, which we attributed to his Mimic powers.

Wonder if his powers are harder to use around other Heroes, or if they don't work on other Heroes at all. Freezing a room full of targets but not Evil Niki would sure make it easy for her to shred them. (and yes, there was still some real-time damage, so if it worked at all, it didn't work long.)

[Rob Helmerichs]

I still think it's stress. Both with the bomb and the little girl, he was taken off guard and acted instinctively (yes, he was expecting the girl, but he hadn't found her and when he did there wasn't time to think about it). And when he's relaxed, he's able to do it on purpose.

It's when he consciously tries to use the power while under stress that he fails.

[PeternJim]

Meanwhile, something someone posted got me thinking.

I thought it was really weird for Future Hiro to go back in time and say "The fate of the whole world depends completely and utterly on you very rapidly getting everyone together and saving some cheerleader somewhere, but even though I am doing this at great cost to myself, I won't tell you which one."

Seemed to me to be a whole lot clearer to say "Go to Odessa, Texas on November 6th and save Claire Bennett, a cheerleader who lives on Maple Drive, from a serial killer who wants to rip her head off at school that night. Bennett. Odessa. Got that?"

Soooo...... something significant is going on. Either Claire isn't the cheerleader they are supposed to save, or something. (And I am expecting that Little Miss I'll Take Credit is toast.)

Either that or Future Hiro should have spent some of the money he used for his makeover on Common Sense lessons.

[arcadefreaque]

Either that or Future Hiro should have spent some of the money he used for his makeover on Common Sense lessons.
Or maybe he cannot say, because it would have too much of an impact on the future (or possibly planting the knowledge in Peter's brain would expose that direct information to a mind reading villian, thereby negatively impacting a requied future series of events)

[scooterboy]

hiro always looks like he's forcing a fart...wish they would change that
OMG - wouldn't that make for a funny YouTube video?

All the scenes with Hiro concentrating, strung together with sound effects.

I'm laughing just thinking about it. :p

[3D]

DL knew all about LasVegasNiki - he even commented to her that he didn't care how she earned her money, he was supportive of it in fact.


Right you are, which is why I didn't say that DL didn't know about it, just that the son would have figured that he didn't.

[scooterboy]

I've acquired prop money for productions and it's actually really expensive.
The idea of fake money being really expensive cracks me up.

Does a fake dollar cost more than a dollar?

[bobcarn]

It seems like we aren't in agreement about this--does "good" Niki have the same powers but just doesn't know it or know how to use them? Also, I never heard of killing one personality in a split personality case. ...

How many split-personality cases have you heard of where one personality can bend steel in their bare hands and is married to someone who can walk through walls? :)