Optimal method for recording to DVD from a HR10-250

[mbjst]

Sorry if this has been covered before, I did a search, but couldn’t find an applicable thread.

What is the optimal method for recording to DVD from a HR10-250? Short of hacking and a network copy. I am planning on replacing my DVD and VCR with a combo and would like to get the best quality recordings as possible. I am considering the Samsung DVD-VR345 which is a Dual Layer recorder. What copy limitations have been put in place to satisfy copyright laws?

Currently I am using the component video and digital audio to go to my receiver (JVC RX-DP10VBK) and then to the display (Mitsubishi WD-52725). I am not currently using HDMI as my receiver doesn’t support it.

Any ideas? Opinions?

Thanks

[mbjst]

OOPS, that was a Samsung DVD-VR335. Not a DVD-VR345.

[JimSpence]

To record to a DVD recorder the HR10 has to be put into 480i output. Then the composite video or s-video outputs will be used. Some DVD recorders may have component inputs, but most likely still can't record in higher resolutions.

The HD DVD recorders are also coming to market.

I know nothing of copyright laws, it depends on the content provider.

[wmcbrine]

I have yet to see a DVD recorder with a component input, sadly.

Most of the copy-restriction schemes involve lowering the resolution; since you have to take it down to 480i anyway, they probably won't affect you.

Assuming you're recording from an HD source, my only tip would be to try and get an "enhanced for widescreen" recording -- set the Tivo for 16:9 instead of letterboxing, and if possible, tell the DVD recorder you have a 16:9 source. That will give you 480 lines of resolution instead of 360.

If it's not possible to tell the DVD recorder to set the 16:9 flag, you could still: 1) Record with the Tivo set to 16:9, 2) Take the finished disc and rip it in your computer, 3) Set the 16:9 flag there, and reburn. You probably won't want to do that normally, but if you're really going for maximum quality, you could. But that's mainly for the sake of getting letterboxed playback on a 4:3 set, anyway; 16:9 sets should let you control the aspect already.

[bwaldron]

I have yet to see a DVD recorder with a component input, sadly.

Most of the copy-restriction schemes involve lowering the resolution; since you have to take it down to 480i anyway, they probably won't affect you.

Assuming you're recording from an HD source, my only tip would be to try and get an "enhanced for widescreen" recording -- set the Tivo for 16:9 instead of letterboxing, and if possible, tell the DVD recorder you have a 16:9 source. That will give you 480 lines of resolution instead of 360.

If it's not possible to tell the DVD recorder to set the 16:9 flag, you could still: 1) Record with the Tivo set to 16:9, 2) Take the finished disc and rip it in your computer, 3) Set the 16:9 flag there, and reburn. You probably won't want to do that normally, but if you're really going for maximum quality, you could. But that's mainly for the sake of getting letterboxed playback on a 4:3 set, anyway; 16:9 sets should let you control the aspect already.

That is what I do for archiving HD recordings off my Tivo. A good HD feed with the 16:9 flag set on my PC creates a very good quality DVD.

Someone mentioned a few days back that 6.3a actually sets the 16:9 flag properly, so the PC step may not be needed (if the DVD recorder uses the flag properly). I've reverted to 3.1, so can't test this yet.

Oh, and no, there are no consumer recorders with component inputs that pass HD, and I really wouldn't ever expect to see one (both for cost reasons and because of the DMCA).

[Dssturbo1]

yes a few do have component inputs but accept only a 480i signal. so just make sure your output is 480i over the composite rca/svideo or even component into your dvd recorder and hook the red/white composite rca audio outs from the hr10-250 to your r/w rca audio input and your good to go.

[bluesman64]

My DVD recorder (Philips DVDR 615) does have component in.

My question - I'm using HDMI to my HD monitor and want to use component to DVD recorder. However, when trying to output to DVD recorder I'm getting no signal even though I've set output resolution to 480i. I should be able to see the output at my DVD recorder right? Or do I have an issue that because I'm using HDMI I can't simultaneously output via component?



Oops - I had my blue and green reversed at the Tivo. All good now.

[cp1966]

Run s video and audio to a DV camcorder, then a DV camorder to a PC via firewire, the author it to a DVD. PQ will be pretty good.

[Titon]

Is there any way to download shows to a pc via a network connection? I have a replaytv unit and one of it's main functions is the ability to download and burn with a pc using a seperate program.

[cowart]

Oh, and no, there are no consumer recorders with component inputs that pass HD, and I really wouldn't ever expect to see one (both for cost reasons and because of the DMCA).

Such a unit is already available in Japan, and is expected to be released here too. It can record 92 hrs in HD or 72 days in SD. See http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/toshibas-rd-a1-hd-dvd-recorder-with-1tb-disk/

[bwaldron]

Such a unit is already available in Japan, and is expected to be released here too. It can record 92 hrs in HD or 72 days in SD. See http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/toshibas-rd-a1-hd-dvd-recorder-with-1tb-disk/

Yes, I know, the technology is there. But Japan doesn't have the DMCA :(

We shall see...

[Fish Man]

Someone mentioned a few days back that 6.3a actually sets the 16:9 flag properly, so the PC step may not be needed (if the DVD recorder uses the flag properly). I've reverted to 3.1, so can't test this yet.


Setting this flag correctly or not is no help when recording to DVD because this flag is not passed through analog outputs (composite, component, or S-Video). So, unless your DVD recorder has DVI or HDMI in, the HR10's handling of the flag is irrelevant.

You need to be able to toggle the flag on your DVD recorder itself (e. g. to "tell" your DVD recorder weather what's coming through its S-Video port is 4:3 or 16:9) to record an anamorphic 16x9 disk that will "behave" correctly when played back to 4:3 TVs.

[cbearnm]

I have a Toshiba RD-XS32 (http://reviews.cnet.com/Toshiba_RD_XS32/4505-6463_7-30851863.html) recorder that has worked flawlessly for almost 2 years.
Like other said, you have to go to 480i, I use S-Video and get a great picture, particularly from HD sources. (Super Bowl XL looks great on the DVD, better than I expected.)
One caveat, that we can't really talk about here is HBO. They seem to employ the copy-once bit from time to time. But I figured a way around it. ;)

[bigmac94]

Is there any way to download shows to a pc via a network connection? I have a replaytv unit and one of it's main functions is the ability to download and burn with a pc using a seperate program.


Yes there is,Y`All simply Run Your HD10-250 Directly To a Camera , Using It in a Passthrough mode,In my case its a Sony DCR- TRV33. Next using Firewire Connect the Camera to your Computer. Your Archival Quality Will Be Determined by the Program You use to Make your DVD. I`m using Ulead Programs.

If its worth doing Its Worth Doing Best you Can.

[Budget_HT]

Setting this flag correctly or not is no help when recording to DVD because this flag is not passed through analog outputs (composite, component, or S-Video). So, unless your DVD recorder has DVI or HDMI in, the HR10's handling of the flag is irrelevant.

You need to be able to toggle the flag on your DVD recorder itself (e. g. to "tell" your DVD recorder weather what's coming through its S-Video port is 4:3 or 16:9) to record an anamorphic 16x9 disk that will "behave" correctly when played back to 4:3 TVs.
Are you saying that the flag is not passed through analog outputs for the HD TiVo only?

The "widescreen flag" is carried by analog signals within the VBI. My Pioneer DVD recorder recognizes and records the flag which causes DVD players to display widescreen programs properly on 4x3 TVs based on the setting choice for either letterbox or pan and scan (full screen with cropped sides) viewing. 16x9 TVs display widescreen programs fine with or without the flag.

I have made many recordings this way, using analog connections between source devices and the DVD recorder. Even my miniDV camcorder can record in anamorhpic mode and provides the flag on both DV/FireWire output and S-video output.

My problem has been the lack of flag on outputs from the HD TiVo, regardless of its settings. I get the needed anamorphic video, but I have to get the flag elsewhere.

I just acquired an external device that inserts the flag into the video stream for either S-video or composite video. This device is made by Logic Design and is called the Video Filter with WSS (wide screen signaling). Now, for widescreen recordings from the HD TiVo, I can skip the computer steps and make first-time recordings from my HD TiVo directly on my Pioneer 520 DVDR where I can edit, set chapters, etc., and make high-speed copies of the results from the hard drive to DVD-R media.

One of my HD TiVos has been upgraded to 6.3a. I will test to see if the widescreen flag is present on anamorphic output via S-video when I get a chance. If someone already knows this for sure (one way or the other), please respond.

[aus]

My DVD recorder (Philips DVDR 615) does have component in.

My question - I'm using HDMI to my HD monitor and want to use component to DVD recorder. However, when trying to output to DVD recorder I'm getting no signal even though I've set output resolution to 480i. I should be able to see the output at my DVD recorder right? Or do I have an issue that because I'm using HDMI I can't simultaneously output via component?



Oops - I had my blue and green reversed at the Tivo. All good now.

Are you saying you get output from your HDMI and component ouput now?
From what I understand, you can't have both active at the same time without a hack.

[TyroneShoes]

...if possible, tell the DVD recorder you have a 16:9 source. That will give you 480 lines of resolution instead of 360...
Not exactly.

The lines of resolution are fixed in NTSC video. They are limited to approximately 336 lines of H rez because audio and video share adjacent spectrum, and there is a very steep notch filter employed to prevent audio and video from interfering with each other. That effectively puts a ceiling on the lines of H rez available, and nothing anyone can do will increase that number under NTSC. ATSC at 480i does have H rez above 336, but typically not that much.

What you may be speaking of is the amount of scanning lines displayed, which while it affects V lines of resolution, is actually something entirely different. There are methods, such as what you mentioned, that will allow you to display all 480 of the raster's 480 scanning lines available, but this has nothing at all to do with resolution other than the fact that it limits V resolution.

The amount of V lines of resolution, which is really never considered in that manner, are effectively limited theoretically to the number of scanning lines (480 in this case), while the perceived V resolution is always about 0.7 times that number (or about the same as the H rez of NTSC) due to Kell factor. For moving images using interlaced scanning, as in 480i, the perceived resolution can be as little as half the number of scan lines, or 240. There are no tricks at the consumer level to increase either V or H resolution of NTSC or ATSC 480i above those numbers.