Why can't I record same program on 2 different channels?

[wdave]

I'm using both Cable and OTA. I have a season pass for a program on an OTA network channel. I tried to set a one-time recording for the same show on Cable HD channel.(*) When I set up the second recording, I noticed that it removed the OTA recording from the ToDo list. So I go add it back, and it removes the entry for the Cable recording. It only wants to record the program from on source, not both.

Why won't it let me?
What's the rationale?
Is there anyway around it?

(*) I want to compare both recordings for audio dropouts, general video quality, and other A-B comparisons

[ThomC]

You first would need to delete the season pass. Make your recordings, and then set up the season pass again. (Unless your SP is set for 'keep all including duplicates', maybe.)

[TonyD79]

That is a bug. They are different channels so that the Season Pass should not affect it.

[AbMagFab]

It's not a bug at all. Unless you want just a digital VCR, that happily records multiple instances of the exact same program.

The series and show ID are the same, and are independent of channel. So one Season Pass sees that the same show is already being recorded, and it won't record it again.

Unless you set "Record all including duplicates".

Different "channels" are irrelevent, since it's the same show, same series, same ID's, etc.

This about this scenario to help you:
- HBO has like 7 HBO channels
- Sopranos shows on all of the HBO channels multiple times per week
- If you set up a Wishlist to get all New Sopranos episodes, it would record only once instance of each show, but might find it on any one of the HBO channels
- It does this because each series and show is uniquely identified

Makes sense?

[wdave]

No, that doesn't make sense, at least for my situation. Why should a one-time recording affect a season pass? Or another one-time recording already set up?

[AbMagFab]

Let's try this explanation:

- Season Pass 1, for Series "Lost", says it's recording Episode 4 and 5 on Channel 7
- Single Recording, for Series "Lost", for Episode 4, on channel 207

As soon as you pick Lost/Ep 4/Ch 207, it's going to remove Lost/Ep 4/Ch 7 since it's the exact same show. You know it's the same show, and thankfully so does Tivo. Since your Season Pass doesn't say "Include Duplicates", it won't record a duplicate show.

It's not a bug, it's doing exactly what you ask it to do.

If you want it to record both, you can either:
a) Change your season pass to "Include Duplicates", or
b) Manually record both shows

Make sense?

[MichaelK]

Let's try this explanation:

- Season Pass 1, for Series "Lost", says it's recording Episode 4 and 5 on Channel 7
- Single Recording, for Series "Lost", for Episode 4, on channel 207

As soon as you pick Lost/Ep 4/Ch 207, it's going to remove Lost/Ep 4/Ch 7 since it's the exact same show. You know it's the same show, and thankfully so does Tivo. Since your Season Pass doesn't say "Include Duplicates", it won't record a duplicate show.

It's not a bug, it's doing exactly what you ask it to do.

If you want it to record both, you can either:
a) Change your season pass to "Include Duplicates", or
b) Manually record both shows

Make sense?

explained perfectly.

If you want both then just manually record both and it will allow you.

[wackymann]

Last week I set up a manual recording for a baseball playoff game makeup, and then later that day they fixed the guide, so my wishlist kicked in. The result was that I had both tuners set to the SAME channel, recording the same thing at the same time. I was mildly amused :) I think that's probably one of the few ways to get both tuners set to the same channel.

[wdave]

If you want it to record both, you can either:
a) Change your season pass to "Include Duplicates", or
b) Manually record both shows
My OP says I tried (b) and it didn't work. I'll try it again this evening in case I was mistaken. I'm pretty sure I went back and forth setting the one-time recording and it kept cancelling the other one.

[vman41]

What if one of the shows was manually recorded by time and channel rather than by title search or guide entry?

[MichaelK]

My OP says I tried (b) and it didn't work. I'll try it again this evening in case I was mistaken. I'm pretty sure I went back and forth setting the one-time recording and it kept cancelling the other one.


OHHH-

I just notuiced you were trying to recrod from the same EXACT station- just one deliverd via cable and the other deliverd OTA.

That seems to be a current limitation (maybe bug) that the tivo gets confused between the same callsign. There's a thread around here about it- try a search to see what others have seen- but it will only confirm what you are seeing.

[MichaelK]

I +think+ manual recordings might work- worth a try...

[jfh3]

I had the same problem trying to record the same show from the same station (one from cable, one OTA) at the same time.

I "fixed" it by starting one of the recordings a minute early. Both recorded.

[Gregor]

Due to some extraordinary brain farts, I had two SPs for Jericho recording the other night, one on the SD channel and one on the HD channel.

[Dan203]

TiVo recordings are based off the call letters of the channel. So when you have two channels with the same call letters it gets confused. The reason Gregor was able to record both the analog and HD versions of Jerico is because there is usually a call letter difference between the analog and digital version of the channel. (example: KTXY vs KTXYDT)

Now I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that is you set up a real manual recordin The one where you set it up entirely based on the time and channel and it shows up in Now Playign with Manual: in front of the title. Then it should let you record both. Since those types of recordings are based strictly off time and channel, they should not be effected by the duplicate call letters.

Dan