LOST S03E02 "The Glass Ballerina" 10-11-2006 *spoilers* [Text View] - Page 2

LordKronos

10-13-2006, 03:04 PM

Although it does not really look like it from most of what we have seen, they must be on, or close enough to the beach to be seen from a boat.

What do you mean, it does not look like it? Last week, we saw them bring Kate out of a building and walk right up to an oceanside breakfast. We can be reasonably sure that Jack is in an underwater area, yet Juliet quickly makes it from Jack to Kate and Sawyer. I think there has been sufficient evidence that they are right on the water.

Blackssr

10-13-2006, 03:22 PM

Never mind the best line, the best 'moment' of this episode was Sayid's reaction to Jin 'knowing' how to work the gun. Priceless

Wrong! The best moment of the show was Kate bending over in that sexy dress! Great ass! Priceless.

hefe

10-13-2006, 04:20 PM

Good news.

The podcast has returned to its audio mp3 format.

hefe

10-13-2006, 04:33 PM

can someone (hefe) dig up the dialouge from Ben's speech about current events? I think I remember him saying "your country re-elected George W. Bush" which to me rings very strangely. Of course we don't know where they are, and it seems Ben has always been an island inhabitant, but they all seem very Americanized. Maybe I am putting too much emphasis on the word "your" but it seems to separate Dharma/The Others, or at least Ben from our country/society. Makes their origins that much more interesting.

He said:

"...you've been on our island for 69 days. And yes, we do have contact with the outside world, Jack. That's how we know that during those 69 days your fellow Americans re-elected George W. Bush. Christopher Reeve has passed away. The Boston Red Sox won the World Series."

Interesting way to say it. Of course, Benry may not really feel like a citizen of any country if his whole life has been spent on that island.

Supfreak26

10-13-2006, 04:37 PM

Finally got through the thread. Here are my thoughts...

1. Much better episode this week. Answered a LOT of questions, IMO. And less Jack is always a good thing.

2. Sun and baldie DID have sex. Those of you questioning this are grasping at straws. You do realize they can't show actual intercourse on network television, right? They have to use other (extremely obvious) ways to show they have had sex (and obviously more than once by the way they looked so comfortable together!)

3. I'm betting that baldie is Sun's baby daddy. The above relevation proves that IF the timeline fits. I'm sure we'll see that soon (or next season the way this show goes.)

4. Sawyer is the MAN! If the Others aren't afraid of him, they should be. If Kate would've been on even half of her game, they'd be free already. I can see the Others breaking Kate down but Sawyer is going to be one tough nut to crack.

5. Speaking of Kate... IBIMB!!

6. The chain gang thing seemed a little weak, IMO. And it was a HUGE oversight to ignore the other folks swinging axes around them. Where would these other prisoners come from? They barely showed them on camera at all.

7. No way Benry sends Jack home. He's going to use that promise as a carrot to get him to do his bidding until he's completely brainwashed. As bad as they've portrayed him lately, it won't be a stretch for him to convert to the dark side.

8. Sayid's plan was just awful. It might've had a chance if the Others were complete idiots or were not on their home turf. As it was, they were sitting ducks. I'm glad Sun escaped, though. They have enough prisoners. Interested to see how the Others react to Trixie being shot.

Great episode! Much much better than last week!

Church AV Guy

10-13-2006, 05:00 PM

No, Desmond was listening to "Make Your Own Kind of Music" by Mama Cass. Very similar musical style though.
Eek, you are right, and I am embarrassed. Note to self, never post something without checking first. I really thought it was the same song, so thanks for clarifying that for me.

vman

10-13-2006, 05:35 PM

A couple of observations:

I think there is a big difference between the others' having "contact" with the outside world and actually "communicating" with the outside world. As a few have suggested, that may just get newspapers and videotapes dropped with the rest of their supplies from Dharma. I don't think we have any strong evidence that they can actually communicate with the outside world. I guess the only counterargument is the info on Jack.

Also, I thought it was interesting that Ben went to talk to Jack right after seeing the Sawyer/Kate exchange on the video monitors. It struck me that he seemed a bit concerned about Sawyer's recon mission, and so decided to try to accelerate things with jack a bit.

stellie93

10-13-2006, 06:19 PM

LordKronos

10-13-2006, 08:09 PM

I'm betting that baldie is Sun's baby daddy.

Well, we'll know for sure if the baby is born bald. Right????? :)

jeff125va

10-13-2006, 09:13 PM

I would think that if Sun was having an affair she would be VERY careful about birth control. With no "island miracle" explanation and DNA testing available she and Jai both would've been in huge trouble. The baby must be Jin's.
So you're saying that she probably wouldn't act recklessly while screwing around on her husband, who by the way, just happens to kill people for a living. (Sorry, hope that doesn't sound sarcastic). Also, while we don't know the time lines exactly, she and Jin were trying to conceive, so for that reason I'd have to guess she wasn't using birth control.

desulliv

10-14-2006, 12:01 AM

DevdogAZ

10-14-2006, 02:02 AM

The Others might have the boat that Michael and Walt left with. They were told to follow a certain bearing (something SW IIRC) where they'd find rescue. Perhaps whoever they met up with returned their boat.
I think the bearing they gave them was northwest. I don't remember exactly what it was, but I remember thinking that if the island is where we think it is, it would take them somewhere toward the Phillipines or Indonesia.

6. The chain gang thing seemed a little weak, IMO. And it was a HUGE oversight to ignore the other folks swinging axes around them. Where would these other prisoners come from? They barely showed them on camera at all.
I didn't think these people were prisoners at all. I just thought they were other Others helping with the overall project. Perhaps the guards are higher up in the chain of command so they don't have to do manual labor, but it's not like all their stuff gets built by slave labor. They have to have some of their own people helping if they're planning to build something there.

Redux

10-14-2006, 06:39 AM

I'm being facetious hereThis is something that clearly shouldn't be tried at home.

What preceeded that statement is all pretty reasonable in the Lost world.

Redux

10-14-2006, 06:49 AM

how more worldy Sawyer is compared to the goodie-goodie Jack.The character "Jack" is in a position much like the actor. A minor and disposable character accidentally pushed center stage, and struggling.

ct1

10-14-2006, 07:45 AM

I didn't think these people were prisoners at all. I just thought they were other Others helping with the overall project.

Other kidnapees from the tail section?

ct1

10-14-2006, 07:47 AM

Also, while we don't know the time lines exactly, she and Jin were trying to conceive, so for that reason I'd have to guess she wasn't using birth control.

There are birth control methods you can use with your boyfriend but not use with your husband...

rondotcom

10-14-2006, 07:59 AM

Funny, during that scene, I wondered if they were hinting at heaven, the "eternal home."

But I think he did mean the US. Also, schekeNYK, Ben sure sounded like he meant he would personally escort Jack home. Stranger and stranger.

Not when you consoder the last ep. of season 2... IIRC, didn't "Ben" say Sawyer, KAte, and JAck were "coming HOME with us?"

wprager

10-14-2006, 08:27 AM

I don't think he's killed anyone, but he did rough 'em up. Remember he couldn't kill Jai when it was clear that his father-in-law wanted Jai dead.

I finally watched it last night (can't remember last time it took me two days before watching a Lost episode).

The thing is, we know that Jin didn't kill Jae, but does Sun know that? All we were shown was that he left saying that he had to do it (it's the price of being married to her -- how's that for guilt), and next thing she finds out is that Jae is dead. I have this gut feel that a future flashback will prove otherwise, but from what we've been shown, Sun would think that Jin killed Jae. Perhaps that's what pushed her into leaving Jin in the first place.

wprager

10-14-2006, 08:31 AM

The, they could find us, line is the most interesting piece of information, I think. Although it does not really look like it from most of what we have seen, they must be on, or close enough to the beach to be seen from a boat. They have a fake village, but they are very concerned about their real one being discovered. That fear is an exploitable weakness I think.

I agree that it's important, but I have a slightly different take on it. The line was spoken while they were in the underwater hatch. I think she was afraid that, while traveling by boat, they would find the hatch. This could mean that the hatch is not very deep underwater, and may even have a part that protrudes above water (like the entry).

jkeegan

10-14-2006, 10:42 AM

Well, we'll know for sure if the baby is born bald. Right????? :)All joking aside, no, that wouldn't tell us anything! Baldness is passed down by the mother.. So if the baby was born and grew up and started going bald, it'd mean Jin had it to pass down (but it doesn't manifest itself in women often). To predict if the kid would be bald someday, you'd have to look at Sun's brothers for a guess, or possibly at Sun's mother's sister's sons (if Sun's mother had a sister) for a less precise guess.

Take it from a balding guy. :)

jkeegan

10-14-2006, 10:44 AM

So you're saying that she probably wouldn't act recklessly while screwing around on her husband, who by the way, just happens to kill people for a living. (Sorry, hope that doesn't sound sarcastic). Also, while we don't know the time lines exactly, she and Jin were trying to conceive, so for that reason I'd have to guess she wasn't using birth control.Again, as was said above, he hasn't killed anyone that we've seen yet, but Jin probably doesn't know that..

But the unique part of my reply here is that while Jin might be feared, he's feared because he works for Sun's father! I'd feel relatively safe if I were Sun (except of course for the fact that her father is so disappointed in her and all.. :) )

Edit: Still, I'd use birth control!

drew2k

10-14-2006, 07:07 PM

I finally watched it last night (can't remember last time it took me two days before watching a Lost episode).

The thing is, we know that Jin didn't kill Jae, but does Sun know that? All we were shown was that he left saying that he had to do it (it's the price of being married to her -- how's that for guilt), and next thing she finds out is that Jae is dead. I have this gut feel that a future flashback will prove otherwise, but from what we've been shown, Sun would think that Jin killed Jae. Perhaps that's what pushed her into leaving Jin in the first place.When Jin returned to the apartment after seeing Sun's father, Jin threw his folder on Jae onto a chair and covered it with his jacket. Sun didn't open the folder, so Sun has no idea that Jin was sent to kill Jae, and she would not suspect Jin of having any complicity in Jae's death.

(By the way, Sun's father told Sun at Jae's funeral service that he did not and would not tell Jin about Sun and Jae, so as of this point in the flashback history, Jin does not know his wife was unfaithful.)

jubrand

10-14-2006, 08:04 PM

Or a spaceship.
http://dsmeet.com/img/useravatars/1/14/galaga%20ship.png .

+10
:up: :D :up:

niea_7

10-15-2006, 02:02 AM

I think Sun is pregnant with Jin's child. The dates don't really make a lot of sense for it to be Jae's child. Well, unless the writers don't know what they're doing.

According to Lostpedia, the episode Sun got her positive pregnancy test represents days 58-59 (roughly 8 weeks) after the plane crash.

When a woman conceives she is already considered to be 2 weeks pregnant (because dating goes back to the first day of her last period). If she is carrying Jae's child, this means she has to be at least 10 weeks pregnant. And this is assuming she conceived the day of the flight, which is unlikely. So probably if it is Jae's, she'd be further along than that anyway.

Now, if a woman is going to get morning sickness, it usually sets in pretty quickly. If a woman hasn't gotten morning sickness by 8 weeks (6 weeks after conception), then chances are she's not going to really get it. For the vast majority if women, morning sickness greatly reduces by 12 weeks pregnancy. It's possible that Sun wouldn't have gotten morning sickness until 10 weeks pregnant, when she decided to test, but not all that likely.

So. . if she tested because she suddenly started feeling dizzy and nauseated, then I'd say it's much more likely she's only 6-8 weeks pregnant and as a result, had to conceive on the island. Assuming Jin is the only man she's been with on the island, my guess is that the child is his.

DevdogAZ

10-15-2006, 03:05 AM

When Jin returned to the apartment after seeing Sun's father, Jin threw his folder on Jae onto a chair and covered it with his jacket. Sun didn't open the folder, so Sun has no idea that Jin was sent to kill Jae, and she would not suspect Jin of having any complicity in Jae's death.

(By the way, Sun's father told Sun at Jae's funeral service that he did not and would not tell Jin about Sun and Jae, so as of this point in the flashback history, Jin does not know his wife was unfaithful.)
Except that Sun knew her father found out about she and Jae and is disappointed. She knows her father is powerful and ruthless. Next thing she knows is that Jin has an assignment from her father that he doesn't want to do, but feels like he has to. She knows he's been involved with some pretty rough stuff in the past, so for him to be hesitant about this assignment means it's pretty serious. Then Jin goes to perform the assignment, and during the timeframe while he is gone, Jae turns up dead. I don't think it would take much of a leap for Sun to put all these things together and realize that Jae's death wasn't a coincidence.

Redux

10-15-2006, 06:03 AM

Assuming Jin is the only man she's been with on the island.With that kind of rigid thinking, you will never be a writer for Lost.

My theory is the father was the guy that got sucked into the engine. That extremely brief tryst will all be spelled out in a future back story.

ct1

10-15-2006, 06:47 AM

My theory is the father was the guy that got sucked into the engine.

That was Gary Troup. His name is an anagram for "purgatory". You can read his book
Bad Twin (http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Twin-Hyperion-Gary-Troup/dp/1401302769).

I believe he was at a table near Sun/Jin at the airport in a back story scene.

Edit: Gary Troup is discussed here: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/27/books/27lost.html?ex=1161057600&en=8de92b8f54d3e56d&ei=5070

From a VP of ABC: "Troup can be seen being sucked into an airplane engine in the first episode."

mask2343

10-16-2006, 01:46 PM

If you google Benjamin Linus, you get www.hansoadoptions.org. Click on the blank line at the bottom of the page. Intesting Dharma logo.

MikeMar

10-16-2006, 01:48 PM

i'm SURE it has been discussed here before, BUT

w/ the hanso site about adoption and such, couldn't the island be like a semi breeding ground, and that's why they want the children, to breed them to sell them for adoption?

or, the project closed down and took all the children w/ them, and so the others want children to continue going on.

stiffi

10-16-2006, 01:55 PM

If you google Benjamin Linus, you get www.hansoadoptions.org. Click on the blank line at the bottom of the page. Intesting Dharma logo.

Okay, that is freaky.

jkeegan

10-16-2006, 02:12 PM

That doesn't look like an official ABC site, so it's just created by fans, right?
(I forget exactly what the line is on the "official" sites)

bobcarn

10-16-2006, 02:22 PM

I have a question maybe someone can answer for me.....

I watched the show religiously, but last year missed the last several shows of the season. I think I just got to a point where I was tired that they kept introducing new mysteries without explaining away any of the old ones. So my question is...

Have they cleared up any mysteries yet? I saw the opening for this season and I see a whole community of people... "the others". Well, when the "others" were introduced, they were a mystery. Are they any less of one now?

I'd just like to get a handle on some things before I get myself hooked again. I mean, I don't mind being hooked on a show, but I don't want to keep watching something over and over unless things finally get resolved. So has anything been resolved yet?

Delta13

10-16-2006, 02:27 PM

ABC does not show as the owner of this website, so I go with fake. Nice try, though.

Figaro

10-16-2006, 02:30 PM

Delta13

10-16-2006, 02:44 PM

NatasNJ

10-16-2006, 03:00 PM

I don't think it comes back till March. Not Jan.

Delta13

10-16-2006, 03:42 PM

Actually, we're both wrong. February 7th is the projected restart date ...

Mike Farrington

10-16-2006, 04:19 PM

Actually, we're both wrong. February 7th is the projected restart date ...
I wonder if the recent quake in Hawaii is going to effect that date?

bobcarn

10-16-2006, 04:26 PM

Some mysteries may have been cleared up, but I agree, nothing's been resolved yet. I think it's safe to say the Others are definitely no less a mystery than they were before. Much more, based on what we've seen so far.

But remember, there's only 6 episodes to start the season, then it goes on break until January, then straight on till the end of the season. No reruns.

OK. When you say "some mysteries may have been cleared up", that gives me some hope. But it depends on what you mean by mysteries. I mean, here's things I thought were real myseries....

1) The purpose of the project inside that hatch
2) The island's monster
3) The Others

I know shows like the X-Files had an ongoing mystery that was never resolved until the end, but the majority of the show didn't center around it. I'm just hoping that as some new things are introduced, other things are laid to rest. I'd like to start watching it again, but with all of the shows I want to see, I have a limit to how much time I can spend in front of the TV. Here's an example....

Heroes has introduced that NYC will be devastated by a major explosion. That only happens a few weeks into the future. I'm pretty comfortable that the entire series, over multiple seasons and years, won't just cover a few weeks of real time. Most likely, those mini-plots will be resolved, and new ones introduced.

That's what I'm hoping Lost is doing.... resolving some mini-plots. When I was watching the Tivo'd eppy over the weekend, I got the same feeling I always got. "Wow! That was totally cool! I can't wait to see the explanation behind this! ... Oh wait. I've been saying that for a couple years now and still haven't seen an explanation."

desulliv

10-16-2006, 04:31 PM

... Oh wait. I've been saying that for a couple years now and still haven't seen an explanation."
Nothing's changed in that regard. As usual, the more we learn, the more we don't know.

Delta13

10-16-2006, 05:26 PM

I wonder if the recent quake in Hawaii is going to effect that date?One hopes not, though it might depend on any damage (if any) they took to sets and such. But the big problem is that the schedule cannot slip. Starting February 7th and going for 17 weeks meaning ending on May 30th.

One slip, and out of the sweeps they go! And on the season finale, of all things. But I'll bet they're fine.

getreal

10-16-2006, 07:06 PM

I wonder if the recent quake in Hawaii is going to effect that date?

D'y'think one of the LOST cast pressed another button and caused the quake? D'Oh!

smak

10-16-2006, 07:13 PM

One thing I don't think I saw mentioned here, is througout the first two seasons didn't we always here how the others wanted "good" people.

So saying Sawyer & Kate are on the chain gang because they're bad, doesn't really follow that basic idea that the others want good people (like all the kids).

I think the chain gang is where most of the people the others capture go at first, but Jack is wanted for another purpose, maybe his doctor skills, so he's not doing the hard labor.

-smak-

drew2k

10-16-2006, 11:09 PM

I think the chain gang is where most of the people the others capture go at first, but Jack is wanted for another purpose, maybe his doctor skills, so he's not doing the hard labor.

-smak-We all think Jack is in a better position than Kate and Sawyer to avoid pain or suffering, but wouldn't it be a cool twist if we find out that Jack somehow suffers more or is in greater danger than Kate and Sawyer, who so far are only laboring in the sun?

balboa dave

10-16-2006, 11:54 PM

We all think Jack is in a better position than Kate and Sawyer to avoid pain or suffering, but wouldn't it be a cool twist if we find out that Jack somehow suffers more or is in greater danger than Kate and Sawyer, who so far are only laboring in the sun?He is in an underwater pen, right? The shark might come back.

hefe

10-17-2006, 01:59 AM

He is in an underwater pen, right? The shark might come back.
James Woods is on Lost?

balboa dave

10-17-2006, 03:19 AM

James Woods is on Lost?Funny. But I was thinking of the one that was eyeing Sawyer.

http://www.diminishingreturns.net/images/blog/Fall05/lost_shark.jpg

mqpickles

10-17-2006, 02:13 PM

1) The purpose of the project inside that hatch
2) The island's monster
3) The Others
1. pretty much resolved, if by "that hatch" you mean the one where they spent most of last season pushing a button every 108 minutes.
2. not resolved
3. some minor points resolved, some more major and minor questions raised.

That's what I'm hoping Lost is doing.... resolving some mini-plots.I'd say they're doing that, but whether you would be satisfied depends on what kinds of questions you're wanting answered and what level of proof you require to consider a matter settled (some people here are not satisfied by any answer shown if there is a metaphysical possibility of another alternative, however remote). I could give some examples, but they would likely spoil some episodes you haven't seen.

I can say this. It seems to me that the people (including some people here and my husband) who were starting to get annoyed the middle of last season have generally not been satisfied by the second half of last season or the first two episodes of this season. Those of us who are okay with the pace of the show and resolution of mysteries are those who have never had a problem with those things.

In other words, I don't know of anyone who thinks, "Boy, in January this show was really starting to piss me off, but now they've answered enough questions that I feel much better about it again." These people may exist, but I don't know about them.

bobcarn

10-18-2006, 03:11 PM

1. pretty much resolved, if by "that hatch" you mean the one where they spent most of last season pushing a button every 108 minutes.
2. not resolved
3. some minor points resolved, some more major and minor questions raised.

I'd say they're doing that, but whether you would be satisfied depends on what kinds of questions you're wanting answered and what level of proof you require to consider a matter settled (some people here are not satisfied by any answer shown if there is a metaphysical possibility of another alternative, however remote). I could give some examples, but they would likely spoil some episodes you haven't seen.

I can say this. It seems to me that the people (including some people here and my husband) who were starting to get annoyed the middle of last season have generally not been satisfied by the second half of last season or the first two episodes of this season. Those of us who are okay with the pace of the show and resolution of mysteries are those who have never had a problem with those things.

In other words, I don't know of anyone who thinks, "Boy, in January this show was really starting to piss me off, but now they've answered enough questions that I feel much better about it again." These people may exist, but I don't know about them.

I may be one of those people starting to get annoyed. I mean, I wasn't really "annoyed", just a bit tired of getting strung along.

They know the purpose of the project inside that hatch? Why they had to keep pressing that button?

As for the level of "proof" needed.... I'm not sure what you mean by "proof". I definitely don't want resolutions to revolve around "given this information, this is the most probable reason". Rather, I'd like a resolution to be something like "Hey. We found this booklet inside this locker. It was a diary from the guy that invented this project. Here's why they built this bunker and kept pushing the button." Something like that.

Maybe I best just stick with my other shows. There's so many shows on I like, there's just not enough time for me to watch them all. As much as I enjoy Lost (I was hooked from the very first opening show), they need to give me some meat once in a while. Instead I've only received Spam.

Mind you, I like Spam, but only as part of a nutritious meal, not as the only item on the plate. ;)

aindik

10-18-2006, 03:13 PM

I may be one of those people starting to get annoyed. I mean, I wasn't really "annoyed", just a bit tired of getting strung along.

They know the purpose of the project inside that hatch? Why they had to keep pressing that button?

They know what happens when you don't press the button. How much more of a spoiler do you want?

bruinfan

10-18-2006, 03:36 PM

One hopes not, though it might depend on any damage (if any) they took to sets and such. But the big problem is that the schedule cannot slip. Starting February 7th and going for 17 weeks meaning ending on May 30th.

One slip, and out of the sweeps they go! And on the season finale, of all things. But I'll bet they're fine.
I don't see why it should... the quake was on the big island, and they film on oahu. i heard power has been disrupted throughout the islands, but that should be easy to fix inside a month.

ct1

10-18-2006, 04:55 PM

Rather, I'd like a resolution to be something like "Hey. We found this booklet inside this locker. It was a diary from the guy that invented this project. Here's why they built this bunker and kept pushing the button." Something like that.

We don't know everything yet (still need to keep us watching), but we know a few things:

- After the Cuban missile crisis, the UN commisioned Valenzetti to study the end of the world
- Valenzetti equation tracks different factors that affect life and the end of the world:
electromagnetism, zoology, psychology, virology, etc. The key constants in the equation are 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42.
- Degroots funded by Hanso are researching the factors that affect the various parts of the equation through the various parts of the DHARMA project.
- The Swan hatch was investigating electromagnetism and suffered an "incident"
- After the "incident", a dangerous build up of energy in the Swan hatch was periodically alleviated by feeding it the numbers and pushing the button
- The "failsafe" blew the whole thing.

jkeegan

10-18-2006, 05:13 PM

See how unsatisfying that was if you just read it now without watching, rather than having watched all the episodes? The destination isn't nearly as interesting as the journey.

How much time do we spend thinking about where someone was born and where they died? Not much. It's what they did during their lives that's interesting.

I'm telling you, it's the journey...

Hurley48

10-18-2006, 06:25 PM

Before reading all 100+ posts so far, had to comment on the Red Sox thing, saw Jack's reaction as soon it was mentioned, but still funny :) very well done.

Jacks fathers favorite quote: "That's why the Red Sox are never gonna win the Series". Is he behind this???

About Ben beeing born on the island... Suppose survivors from the Black Rock have lived on the island for generations. And that _they_ have overtaken the Dharma peoples village. And then we have the four toe thingy...

jkeegan

10-18-2006, 07:23 PM

It's really on tonight! Can't wait.

Figaro

10-18-2006, 07:34 PM

It's really on tonight! Can't wait.

But waiting is part of the journey! :p

ct1

10-18-2006, 08:30 PM

Suppose survivors from the Black Rock have lived on the island for generations.

BTW: The captain of the Black Rock was Magnus Hanso, the grandfather of Alvar Hanso who funded the DHARMA project.

jkeegan

10-18-2006, 09:40 PM

But waiting is part of the journey! :p
:D

Mike20878

10-26-2006, 05:39 PM

All joking aside, no, that wouldn't tell us anything! Baldness is passed down by the mother.. So if the baby was born and grew up and started going bald, it'd mean Jin had it to pass down (but it doesn't manifest itself in women often). To predict if the kid would be bald someday, you'd have to look at Sun's brothers for a guess, or possibly at Sun's mother's sister's sons (if Sun's mother had a sister) for a less precise guess.

Take it from a balding guy. :)

I think that's a fallacy. My mother insists there was no baldness in her family but I've been losing my hair over the last several years. My dad is bald and lost his at 18. Luckily it didn't start for me until about 30. I'm 36 now and I've got classic male pattern baldness. :(

DevdogAZ

10-26-2006, 05:47 PM

Since this thread got bumped, I'll add this (which may have been posted, but I don't remember seeing it).

I listened to the official podcast which recapped this episode and Lindeloff and Cuse stated specifically that Sun and Jae DID have an affair. In fact, they said that when they shot the first part of the story with Sun and Jae for the episode in S2, Yunjin Kim (the actress who plays Sun) told them she wanted to play the relationship as if they were having an affair and they told her to go ahead and do so, because that wasn't inaccurate.

MacThor

10-26-2006, 06:03 PM

But was it a sexless affair? :)

drew2k

10-26-2006, 06:09 PM

But was it a sexless affair? :)I guess it depends on your definition of love ...

af‧fair /əˈfɛər/ [uh-fair]
–noun
6. an intense amorous relationship, usually of short duration.

am‧o‧rous /ˈæmərəs/ [am-er-uhs]
–adjective
1. inclined or disposed to love, esp. sexual love: an amorous disposition.
2. showing or expressing love: an amorous letter.
3. of or pertaining to love: amorous poetry.
4. being in love; enamored: She smiled and at once he became amorous of her.

love /lʌv/ [luhv]
–noun
1. a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person.
2. a feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection, as for a parent, child, or friend.
3. sexual passion or desire.
4. a person toward whom love is felt; beloved person; sweetheart.
5. (used in direct address as a term of endearment, affection, or the like): Would you like to see a movie, love?
6. a love affair; an intensely amorous incident; amour.
7. sexual intercourse; copulation.
8. (initial capital letter) a personification of sexual affection, as Eros or Cupid.
9. affectionate concern for the well-being of others: the love of one's neighbor.
10. strong predilection, enthusiasm, or liking for anything: her love of books.
11. the object or thing so liked: The theater was her great love.
12. the benevolent affection of God for His creatures, or the reverent affection due from them to God.
13. Chiefly Tennis. a score of zero; nothing.
14. a word formerly used in communications to represent the letter L.