Macrovision strikes again!

[ripple_024]

link (http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6650194.html)

[ZeoTiVo]

link (http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6650194.html)


reading into the article entitled "Copy never: DRM 'glitch' keeps TiVo Series3, JVC A/V receivers from playing nice" this is indeed the age old problem of cable providers not setting the equipment correctly so that CCI (cable card version of the copyright protection) is improperly set. Since TiVo S3 is the first DVR to make heavy use of cable Card it will appear here first as Cable Card TVs would just never worry about it.

good peice of troubleshooting work on narrowing down the JVC receivers further misinterpreting the CCI codes.

[pkscout]

This Boing Boing comentary (http://www.boingboing.net/2006/10/11/tivos_selfdestruct_b.html) sums up my opinion. Yes, it is a "little" glitch, but it would never have happened if TiVo weren't so busy bowing to the content cartel and creating software that starts with the assumption that customers are just criminals in training.

[ZeoTiVo]

This Boing Boing comentary (http://www.boingboing.net/2006/10/11/tivos_selfdestruct_b.html) sums up my opinion. Yes, it is a "little" glitch, but it would never have happened if TiVo weren't so busy bowing to the content cartel and creating software that starts with the assumption that customers are just criminals in training.

so TiVo should not have used cable cards to get to the digital content so they can record HD. cableLabs certification means they use this copy protection scheme or are not cable labs certified and thus cable companies could choose not to install cable cards in TiVo DVRs and indeed would not put a cable card in anything not certified by cablelabs.

perhaps you can tell us your way to enable HD recording on a 3rd party DVR? :rolleyes:

[jmoak]

....perhaps you can tell us your way to enable HD recording on a 3rd party DVR? :rolleyes:hope and pray for un-encrypted qam hd?

but then you could say, "Ok, ok.... so you can't watch High Def, premium or subscription sports programming on our new box in over 80% of the cable markets, but heay! We didn't bow down to those content cartel guys!!"

You want cake???? ...to eat???

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[rainwater]

The problem is TiVo isn't providing any protections for its users. They haven't been willing to stand up for their users to prevent these accidental glitches. They know perfectly well that these protections aren't allowed in many instances but they will not stand up and prevent accidental flags on content that is not allowed to be protected.

[pkscout]

perhaps you can tell us your way to enable HD recording on a 3rd party DVR? :rolleyes:

It's called ATSC and unencrypted QAM. :rolleyes: right back at you.

[ZeoTiVo]

It's called ATSC and unencrypted QAM. :rolleyes: right back at you.


But perhaps TiVo had a business plan to sell S3 to people with cable subscriptions, just speculating mind you :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Atomike]

The best way to avoid these problems is not buying products that use defective technology (modern DRM). I will not now, nor ever buy a S3 Tivo. Nor will I buy or use Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. When manufacturers provide good products, I will buy them. Therefore, no S3 for me.
No Tivo2Go? Glitchy DRM? No thanks.

[Dan203]

TiVo really needs to update that copyprotection link!

This has nothing to do with Macrovision! Macrovision is an analog technology and only applies to analog recordings. This particular error was an HDCP error. HDCP is the copy protection scheme used by HDMI and DVI and is a requirement of the CableCARD standard, so TiVo is forced to inforce those restrictions. There is also another copy protection scheme required for CableCARD called CCI, which in the worst case scenario can actually force a program to delete 90 minutes after it was recorded. Some people over in the S3 forum have run into that one and it's a lot more devistating then blanking the S-Video output.

Unfortuately this is the DRM world we live in. All we can do is hope that they get the bugs worked out and the policies nailed down so we stop getting hit by restrictions when we shouldn't be.

Dan

[dt_dc]

The best way to avoid these problems is not buying products that use defective technology (modern DRM).Strike the S2 and S2DT off your list too then.

[ashu]

Strike the S2 and S2DT off your list too then.

And Vista and Mac and most video cards starting in a few months (or already?).
etc.

[Atomike]

There are big differences in DRM out there. The new DVD formats, for example, could in theory allow for your firmware to be changed without your consent to combat against format hacks. My S2, for example, can't stop software on my PC from running.
You are partially correct with Macs - in regard to Draconian iTunes DRM. If you're worried about Big Brother, look no further than Apple - the true anti-competition, anti-trust player in the modern world.
Also, video cards will also likely be a problem with DRM, (you are correct to list them) but again, largely because of the new DVD formats.
My advice - use the current DVD standard and don't buy a new-fangled DRM laden video card until you have to.
So, in conlusion, I stand by my comments, but stand corrected. I should have included future-gen video cards and Apple products.