Veronica Mars "My Big Fat Greek Rush Week" (10/10/2006) *Spoilers* [Text View]

LoadStar

10-11-2006, 12:12 AM

Ouch. Veronica can't get a break, can she? Every time she finds a group she's accepted by, she manages to go and screw it all up.

From a storytelling aspect, unfortunately this is a complete retelling of the season 1 episode "Drinking the Kool-Aid." For example...

In this episode:
She goes undercover at a sorority, becomes accepted by a group that initially seems really creepy and off-putting, but eventually are revealed to be well-meaning and surprisingly nice, and who invite Veronica to become one of their own. However, she discovers something about the group that initially vindicates her original suspicions, and she tells someone else. However, after telling, she discovers she only found out part of the story, and goes to the group to try and protect them from getting into trouble.

In "Drinking the Kool-Aid":
She goes undercover at a commune, becomes accepted by a group that initially seems really creepy and off-putting, but eventually are revealed to be well-meaning and surprisingly nice, and who invite Veronica to become one of their own. However, she discovers something about the group that initially vindicates her original suspicions, and she tells someone else. However, after telling, she discovers she only found out part of the story, and goes to the group to try and protect them from getting into trouble.

See what I mean? :)

So, other than the repeating plotlines... the B-plot. So... it wasn't money in the briefcase... it was a rare Van Gogh painting. I guess that really kills my explanation as to why Keith was getting involved in that whole mess. Also - what was Kendall doing with the painting? The only thing I can think is that Kendall cashed out the business, bought the painting, and was hoping to more easily smuggle that out of country than she could cash. Still, it'd seem that she'd attract a lot of attention buying such a painting... similarly, she'd attract attention when she tried to sell it. So I'm a bit lost.

However, vindication for those of you who thought we might not have seen the last of Kendall... the police didn't seem to find a body, only blood. Still... if her primary goal was to get out of the country with the painting, if she were still alive, she wouldn't have been likely to leave the painting behind if she could help it.

The other B-plot (or would it be a C-plot?) - I loved the turnabout that Wallace pulled on Logan. Underneath that easy-going, fun exterior is a guy that's every bit a match for Logan, I guess. Very revealing... and instantly, he gains Logan's respect. I like the interplay between the two of them.

Dennis Wilkinson

10-11-2006, 01:30 AM

So, other than the repeating plotlines... the B-plot. So... it wasn't money in the briefcase... it was a rare Van Gogh painting. I guess that really kills my explanation as to why Keith was getting involved in that whole mess. Also - what was Kendall doing with the painting? The only thing I can think is that Kendall cashed out the business, bought the painting, and was hoping to more easily smuggle that out of country than she could cash. Still, it'd seem that she'd attract a lot of attention buying such a painting... similarly, she'd attract attention when she tried to sell it. So I'm a bit lost.

The painting confuses me a bit, too. The timeline is a bit vague -- so Kendall shows it to Keith at the end of last season. She gets killed (presumably?) -- was the blood on the Van Gogh's frame? If so, how did Keith get his hands on it to sell it? Or, were we supposed to take it that Keith sold it when he skipped out on Veronica (probably not -- he was wearing the same clothes when he sold it as he had been in the previous scene with Veronica in this episode.) If he was selling it at Kendall's request, that seems like an unlikely altruistic streak for her.

I don't think that trading in rare art really raises all that much attention, unless the works are sold at auction.

It is an interesting way to hide money, though -- in plain sight, so long as whoever's doing the looking isn't familiar with the artwork.

cherry ghost

10-11-2006, 02:03 AM

The painting was in something like this

http://images.containerstore.com/MEDIA/ProductCatalog/2459/2459.jpg

They took the case and left the painting

getbak

10-11-2006, 02:24 AM

Nothing like a good Dan Castellaneta appearance.

"Congratulations. You managed to get false information...D'oh."

mhalver

10-11-2006, 02:42 AM

The whole prisoner-guard thing upset me a bit. No professor would ever assign that nor would any university allow it. That experiement was really done at one time, however the results were much worse than what they showed in the episode. It demonstrated the power of those "roles" as the students involved pretty much lost their own identities in the process (these were well adjusted intelligent students). It's generally been decided by the social science community that that will never be done again.

I was basically yelling at my tv about that.

dswallow

10-11-2006, 03:07 AM

analog4

10-11-2006, 03:54 AM

I enjoyed it. Good episode.

mhalver

10-11-2006, 05:41 AM

http://www.prisonexp.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

That occurred over a 2 week period (or at least was planned for a 2 week period); 48 hours is probably unlikely to be long enough to get anywhere near as bad. And they did also carry out the role playing much more completely, all the way from "arrest" to incarceration. That had to add a stronger psychological element to the experiment.

I think the storyline on the show would've worked out a little better if we at least saw the experiment being monitored and kept from going too far.

As it says in the article there, problems did start to occur on the second day, so 48 hours would have been long enough, but yes there would have had to be some controls in place to prevent it from going to that point.

However, as I said, realistically no university would allow it to be done no matter what controls are in place. It is hard enough to get anything like that past an ethics board (some of my professors would have as much as half of their experiments rejected for nit-picky reasons), and no board would allow anything that is "tainted" like that. The opening for liability would be huge even if something negative did not happen. The whole situation on what is ethically possible is largely changed from what it was in the days that that experiment and its likes were performed. The Milgram experiment mentioned in that article is another example - you can't do that today.

Of course, it is just a tv show, and none of them are accurate at all with the college experience. Anybody who has ever lived in the dorms knows that - in tv shows they are practically palaces, in real life they are shoe boxes.

mhalver

10-11-2006, 05:42 AM

I enjoyed it. Good episode.

Yes, it was much better than the first episode. The first one felt a little "off". This one felt like we are back to where it should be.

newsposter

10-11-2006, 07:46 AM

i dont watch but tivo started at 02 for some reason. Can i have a quick recap for my wife from someone? It started when the cop was interviewing them in the room and the girl apparently said it was rape but VM thought it was just rough?

jking

10-11-2006, 08:36 AM

You didn't miss much, just a recap of what had happened last week and a few scenes from last season, and Mac and Veronica both sitting there blaming themselves for letting the rape happen. The girl told the story that she had went to the sorority party and pretty much remembered nothing until she woke up with a shaved head.

I enjoyed Veronica's "drunk dancing". That girl is a great actress. ;) :D

Rob Helmerichs

10-11-2006, 09:05 AM

I enjoyed Veronica's "drunk dancing". That girl is a great actress. ;) :D
Either that, or she's willing to get really drunk for the sake of the job. :D

mrpantstm

10-11-2006, 09:36 AM

Loadstar's recap brought "Drinking the Kool-Aid" right back into memory and they certainly are similar stories. I don't think we've seen the end of the sorority but who knows.

I liked the prisoner/guard experiment since it gave Wallace and Logan a change to show off but the situation was rather silly. The students really didn't know what they were getting into and it was a rather haphazard experiment. I laughed when the main guard was played by Rider Strong from Boy Meet's World. Guy looks like he hasn't aged at all.

Overall a okay episode. We're not much closer to the rapist yet nor am I really sure where the Keith storyline took us. Keith really took Kendall's death hard.

Not a great day for Mar's investigation.

TAsunder

10-11-2006, 09:46 AM

After 2 seasons of VM I've stopped trying to relate the school plots to realism. I see it as a sort of school law and order... with the individual plots taken out of famous incidents or headlines. I enjoy it for what it is... the real meat is the overall plots in VM, not the cheesy individual plots. It's always been this way and always will be probably... try not to get your panties in a bunch over it.

5thcrewman

10-11-2006, 09:53 AM

I predict Mac's roomate will get mistakenly attacked as Veronica because of the wig.

Jonathan_S

10-11-2006, 10:04 AM

http://www.prisonexp.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

That occurred over a 2 week period (or at least was planned for a 2 week period); 48 hours is probably unlikely to be long enough to get anywhere near as bad. And they did also carry out the role playing much more completely, all the way from "arrest" to incarceration. That had to add a stronger psychological element to the experiment.

I think the storyline on the show would've worked out a little better if we at least saw the experiment being monitored and kept from going too far.
I immediately noticed the similarity to the Stanford prison experiment, but there were some key differences.

One was obviously the shorter, 48 hour, duration.
However, the Stanford experiment was looking at general cruelty that evolved among guard, while this experiment was looking more at interrogation tactics.
The guards were given a specific objective to retrieve information from the prisoners. In the Stanford experiment they were just to control the prisoners.
I would think that the hard deadline and objective for the guards would tend to bring out their agressive tendencies faster.

But even so for a while I was wondering if the really annoying guard was a plant; he was so sure, so quickly, of what he wanted done to punish the prisoners.

It would have been more interesting if the actual experiment was to see how quickly the other guards could get pushed into behavior they previously would have stated they would never user, due to the influence of one forceful motivator. (And I would think it would tie back into the class discussion better).

But you are right that the experiment would never have been allowed.
Odd that the professor wasn't annoyed that the guards "won" by exploiting the time limit on the simulation, rather that in a method that would work on "real" prisoners. Real prisoners have no reason to blurt out the location after the bomb has exploded, because they would still be trying to claim that they had nothing to do with it in the hopes of being released to bomb again.

mwhip

10-11-2006, 10:14 AM

The show felt like the old Veronica. I was a little disappointed in a entertainment weekly article that ran this last week. Basically a fan wrote a blurb about how the first episode was horrible and why was it so light and fluffy and then bagged on the preview for the second week. That "fan" should watch a couple before passing judgment.

Oh and you think Rob Thomas has been watching Weeds?

ElJay

10-11-2006, 10:38 AM

I thought this episode was a very good hour of TV. The "jerk" guard was rather amusing, and I'm afraid that I laughed at some of his un-PC comments.

And I know Sherrif Lamb is an a-hole, but wasn't he overly nasty to the rape victim and Veronica here?

Warren

10-11-2006, 11:15 AM

wasn't that one of the kids from Boy meets world. I thought he would be older by now.

mrpantstm

10-11-2006, 11:46 AM

I laughed when the main guard was played by Rider Strong from Boy Meet's World. Guy looks like he hasn't aged at all.

wasn't that one of the kids from Boy meets world. I thought he would be older by now.

;) :D

LoadStar

10-11-2006, 01:55 PM

That's one of those things about this show. Just about all the actors are around 24-27, but they're playing 18 year olds. Because everyone is roughly the same age, you really have no one who is REALLY 18 to compare these people to, so you don't really notice.

So, yes, Rider Strong (Boy Meets World, Pepper Dennis) is really around 27. And yes, he's one of those types that really doesn't show their age. (I know what that feels like.)

Magnolia88

10-11-2006, 02:10 PM

I loved seeing Rider Strong playing the heavy and Samm Levine playing . . . well, the same geeky dude he played on F&G. It was almost an homage to previous "teen" shows from back in the day.

But VM really gets the fun guest stars in general. And Dan Castalleneta as the professor? I hope that isn't a one-shot role. And the promo gives us yet another fun guest star for next week.

The sorority rush scenes were scarily accurate imho. I've done the floral dresses and singing and nametags thing. Yes, that really happens.

But not the wild parties with booze flowing freely, though. That stuff can't happen much anymore, at least not in the sorority house out in the open like that. It's all going on in off-campus bars or private houses. Still, I didn't mind it because seeing Veronica playing the role of drunk sorority rushee was hilarious. I loved the "faux lesbian dance" especially. Heh. Kristen must have had fun doing that stuff because Veronica so rarely lets loose like that.

mmilton80

10-11-2006, 04:05 PM

The sorority rush scenes were scarily accurate imho. I've done the floral dresses and singing and nametags thing. Yes, that really happens.

But not the wild parties with booze flowing freely, though. That stuff can't happen much anymore, at least not in the sorority house out in the open like that. It's all going on in off-campus bars or private houses. Still, I didn't mind it because seeing Veronica playing the role of drunk sorority rushee was hilarious. I loved the "faux lesbian dance" especially. Heh. Kristen must have had fun doing that stuff because Veronica so rarely lets loose like that.

Magnolia....please, tell us more of your sorority activities...maybe a photo journal. That way we, non-sorority folk can truly see how those girls do it...ya know, the getting wild.

Rosenkavalier

10-11-2006, 04:18 PM

OK, time for some of my patented nonsensical theories about the crime/criminal. I was thinking about what we know from last season, combined with the new pieces of info from two episodes (so far), and I have a odd thought: what if the head-shaving and the rapes are being performed independently?

We know from the end of Ep. 1 that Dick told Logan that he thinks "he screwed up really bad" (or words to that effect). So I'm wondering if one or more of the pledges each year at Dick's fraternity (can't recall the name) get assigned the task of picking up, then shaving the head, of a girl on campus. But, after this has occured (the girl would have been drugged by the pledge to get this done) and the pledge has left, the rapist steps in and takes advantage of the unconscious girl.

The rapist can then hide behind the head shaving as a smoke screen to throw off any would-be sleuths, who will at least initially focus on the obvious (the head shaving), which would lead them to the fraternity, and away from the rapist. One additional point is that last year/season, the first victim did not come forward until Veronica went out and found her - - so this could have been going on for much, much longer, and the girls have just been hiding the results. It's also possible that the head shaving has been going on for a while (as part of the hazing rituals), but the accompanying rapes only started in the last year or two.

Going back to Dick's comments, my thought is that Dick may have realized that someone went in after he left, so not only did he screw up by following the directions of the fraternity, he screwed up by leaving the girl in an unprotected state. Of course, this is all wild, baseless, bizarre, misinformed lunacy, so just move along.

mwhip

10-11-2006, 04:26 PM

Ratings were much better because it did not lose any it actually gained. Check out

http://www.thefutoncritic.com for more ratings info.

Magnolia88

10-11-2006, 04:36 PM

The CW's spin on the ratings from last night (http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20061011cw01).

In a nutshell: VM is doing okay, but it could be doing better. Which means that a full season is still no guarantee . . . otoh, the fact that other CW shows are doing relatively worse means that VM isn't in danger of cancellation anytime soon. I think.

Magnolia....please, tell us more of your sorority activities...maybe a photo journal. That way we, non-sorority folk can truly see how those girls do it...ya know, the getting wild.

It's all in those "Girls Gone Wild" videos. ;)

LoadStar

10-11-2006, 05:51 PM

The CW's spin on the ratings from last night (http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20061011cw01).

In a nutshell: VM is doing okay, but it could be doing better. Which means that a full season is still no guarantee . . . otoh, the fact that other CW shows are doing relatively worse means that VM isn't in danger of cancellation anytime soon. I think.

Don't forget that it's doing fairly well in the female demographic they're (heavily) targeting. (Although if I see those stupid Aerie Girls bumpers one more time... ugh.)

Magnolia88

10-11-2006, 06:27 PM

Don't forget that it's doing fairly well in the female demographic they're (heavily) targeting. (Although if I see those stupid Aerie Girls bumpers one more time... ugh.)

The Aerie Girls are one of the many reasons I love TiVo.

I saw them last week and stopped the FF to watch (ugh) . . but didn't even notice them this week during the FF. I figured they had been dropped, until I saw them at the very end. But they were talking about GG not VM, iirc.

LoadStar

10-11-2006, 07:50 PM

The Aerie Girls are one of the many reasons I love TiVo.

I saw them last week and stopped the FF to watch (ugh) . . but didn't even notice them this week during the FF. I figured they had been dropped, until I saw them at the very end. But they were talking about GG not VM, iirc.

They briefly mentioned VM, talking about the Logan streaking scene.

DevdogAZ

10-11-2006, 08:41 PM

Skittles

10-11-2006, 09:16 PM

I thought it was a great episode, personally... felt like the show was trying its best to get back into its true form.

I loved the parallels between Veronica's case and her father's case in this episode. Particularly considering that midway through the hour, Keith's sitting on the lounge chair in the living room and nearly crying because his irresponsible rush to, without checking all the facts, caused some serious problems and pain for others... and then a few minutes later, Veronica's irresponsible rush to act, without checking all the facts, causes some serious problem and pain for others.

Warren

10-11-2006, 11:18 PM

wow my first real smeek

Magnolia88

10-12-2006, 04:06 PM

Going back to the season premiere, what was up with Dick at the end looking beat up and saying he screwed up, then in this episode being totally back to normal? Hopefully when we find out what he was talking about, his actions in this episode won't be inconsistent with that..

I'm not sure that Dick is supposed to be "back to normal" just yet, although at least we can see that he did pledge the Pi Sigs (being a legacy and all). We only saw him for a minute and he didn't say much -- the point was his confused reaction to seeing Veronica at a sorority rush party and getting her flustered for a minute.

The writers have to walk a fine line with Dick - he can't be back to his "normal" self just yet, because his entire life has been turned upside down and all, but otoh, his role on the show is to be a general thorn in Veronica's side and comic relief and nobody really wants to see emo Dick moping around for too long. So they are probably going to give him just a little screentime over the next couple of episodes until it seems "okay" to show him back to being his usual dick self. I want to laugh at Dick and/or smack him, not feel sorry for him.

So who set the trap for Cormac? Was it Liam, because he had the pen in his hand when he then approached Cormac, or was it Keith, who used the trap he accidentally found to try and gain some distance on his pursuer? If you're Liam, don't you try a little harder to get the location of the money from your brother before you cap him? That seemed particularly unnecessary considering that now he'll never find the money if Kendall is really dead.

I thought that Keith was the one who set the trap for Liam since they showed Keith finding the trap in the first place. But I'm still sort of baffled by what is going on with the Cormac and Liam story. Although I think that nothing Liam does is supposed to make much sense b/c he's generally been presented as a lunkhead.

DevdogAZ

10-12-2006, 05:45 PM

I'm not sure that Dick is supposed to be "back to normal" just yet, although at least we can see that he did pledge the Pi Sigs (being a legacy and all). We only saw him for a minute and he didn't say much -- the point was his confused reaction to seeing Veronica at a sorority rush party and getting her flustered for a minute.

The writers have to walk a fine line with Dick - he can't be back to his "normal" self just yet, because his entire life has been turned upside down and all, but otoh, his role on the show is to be a general thorn in Veronica's side and comic relief and nobody really wants to see emo Dick moping around for too long. So they are probably going to give him just a little screentime over the next couple of episodes until it seems "okay" to show him back to being his usual dick self. I want to laugh at Dick and/or smack him, not feel sorry for him.
I'm not talking about him being back to normal after the death of his brother and the events of last season. I'm talking about when he appeared at Logan's door at the end of S03E01 and said, "I screwed up" and was crying and looked like he'd been beaten up. He was obviously involved in something bad that night, but by the next day (or a couple of days later) he's back to his usually partying self at the sorority party.

jking

10-12-2006, 05:57 PM

I'm not talking about him being back to normal after the death of his brother and the events of last season. I'm talking about when he appeared at Logan's door at the end of S03E01 and said, "I screwed up" and was crying and looked like he'd been beaten up. He was obviously involved in something bad that night, but by the next day (or a couple of days later) he's back to his usually partying self at the sorority party.

Yeah, I assumed in the last ep after seeing the girl was raped, that Dick would end up being accused of the crime, which would cause Veronica to try to solve the case at Logan's request. But nothing happened in this episode to make you think that Dick had even been suspected of anything.

Zevida

10-12-2006, 06:44 PM

Magnolia88

10-12-2006, 06:49 PM

He was obviously involved in something bad that night, but by the next day (or a couple of days later) he's back to his usually partying self at the sorority party.

I guess maybe I interpreted the scene with Dick going to Logan's hotel room differently. I thought his bruises were from his getting hit by the guy at the food court, when Logan came to his rescue with Veronica's taser.

And I thought his comment about screwing up was in reference to his general behavior over the past few days that led to his getting kicked out of the dorm. So I figured that he finally woke up from his drunken stupor and realized the huge mess he had made and that he was beaten up and literally had nowhere to go, and that's how he ended up at Logan's door.

But Dick being dick, his brief moment of introspection didn't last long. He found himself a new crib -- penthouse, baby! -- and he pledged the Pi Sigs, so he's obviously moving forward, if one can call it that.

ETA: Zevida was posting at the same time, but yeah, what she (he?) said.

LoadStar

10-12-2006, 07:29 PM

Amnesia

10-12-2006, 08:00 PM

I guess she really likes the word "frak"...it survived into this week (and in her head, too)

Magnolia88

10-12-2006, 09:04 PM

I guess the problem with that explanation is that what we saw of Dick was really, nothing out of the ordinary for Dick. Maybe a little more than usual, but not much more... and the reaction was way, way out of the ordinary for him. For what we saw of Dick, the reaction at the end that I'd expect is "Dude... you mind if I couch surf for a couple of days?" and that's about it.

I don't think we've ever seen Dick acting quite like that at Neptune High. He was a jerk, sure, but we never saw him falling down drunk at school and getting into fights and such. We were only shown a few glimpses of Dick's behavior at Hearst but imho it was intended to reflect that he had been in a bad state, even by Dick standards.

And the fact that he broke down and cried in front of Logan was OOC for him, but I think that was the point, to show us that he was really affected by Beaver's suicide. But by episode two, he's on his way to being Dick again.

DevdogAZ

10-13-2006, 01:14 AM

I don't think we've ever seen Dick acting quite like that at Neptune High. He was a jerk, sure, but we never saw him falling down drunk at school and getting into fights and such. We were only shown a few glimpses of Dick's behavior at Hearst but imho it was intended to reflect that he had been in a bad state, even by Dick standards.

And the fact that he broke down and cried in front of Logan was OOC for him, but I think that was the point, to show us that he was really affected by Beaver's suicide. But by episode two, he's on his way to being Dick again.
But in the timeline of the show, Beaver's (oops, I mean Cassidy's) suicide was 3 months ago. Not that you get over something like that in 3 months, but I don't think the effects are that pronounced 3 months later, and then 3 months and one day later you're totally fine.

LoadStar

10-13-2006, 01:51 AM

Agreed with Devdogaz. Plus, he has been just as drunk in high school (remember him at the AlternaProm with the stupid Party Pig or whatever that stupid beer keg thing), just as boorish towards female classmates, and generally every bit as Dick as we saw him in the first episode.

There's gotta be something there that causes him to break down like that for practically no reason, then within a day be back to perfectly fine.

Zevida

10-13-2006, 08:04 AM

Geez, maybe it's a girl thing, but I know there's several times in my life where I've had a mild breakdown over something or another (sobbing in my room, etc.) and I was perfectly capable of getting up the next day and going to work and functioning like a normal person with nothing wrong. Everything came to a head for Dick that night and he uncharacteristically asked for help, he got it and now he's back to acting normal. That doesn't mean he's back to perfectly fine at all.

I've lost family members and dear beloved pets and sometimes years later a nerve will get hit and I'll cry. I'm 100% with Magnolia on this, it made perfect sense to me that Dick acted the way he did.

EMoMoney

10-13-2006, 09:35 AM

Ouch. Veronica can't get a break, can she? Every time she finds a group she's accepted by, she manages to go and screw it all up.

You didn't really think she wanted to be in teh sorority did you?
The CW's spin on the ratings from last night (http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20061011cw01).

In a nutshell: VM is doing okay, but it could be doing better. Which means that a full season is still no guarantee . . . )
Well, I think they only ordered 14 episodes to begin with. I'd hope it makes it that long.

Oh yeah, and when the frak (or is it fraq) will they realize the theme remix is terrible and go back to the original?

Rob Helmerichs

10-13-2006, 09:48 AM

You didn't really think she wanted to be in the sorority did you?
No, but in the end she genuinely liked at least some of the people; they genuinely liked her; and she screwed them over big-time. And as the Loadster said, that's the second time this has happened on the show.

AJRitz

10-13-2006, 10:34 AM

Dick going to the fraternity is simply a matter of expedience - he needs a place to live. He's been kicked out of campus housing, he can't stay too long with Logan, and as a legacy the frat is all but assured to take him (as long as he doesn't get TOO crazy while he's a pledge).

As for Dick's breakdown at Logan's place, I think it was just a culmination of everything crashing down on him. Brother's suicide (not to mention brother murdering several of his classmates), Daddy still hiding out, going to college in Neptune - but unable to go "home", going overboard as a freshman and getting kicked out of campus housing -- that sort of homelessness can bring a guy a long way down.

7thton

10-13-2006, 11:44 AM

Was it the Van Gogh that the cops found the blood on? I had the impression that Mr. Mars sold it long before these events (the shooting) took place.

dumbunny

10-13-2006, 01:00 PM

The whole prisoner-guard thing upset me a bit. No professor would ever assign that nor would any university allow it.
No professor outside of the Buffy-verse, at least. However, some universities do allow prisoner-guard experiments to be conducted. It's called, "fraternity hazing." The relationship between the "Boy Meets World" guard and the "Freaks & Geeks" kid was very much a big brother - little brother fraternity hazing relationsip.

BMW's immediate active role as an abusive guard seemed suspiciously rehearsed for a class expiriment. F&G's Stockholm Syndrome moment with Wallace at the very end also seemed unrealisitic. Both of these are more plausible in a fraternity context, where the abuse and subsequent bonding are planned beforehand.

I can imagine that this storyline was originally set up as a fraternity counterpart to the sorority storyline, although logisticially this would be problematic.

LoadStar

10-13-2006, 01:05 PM

Was it the Van Gogh that the cops found the blood on? I had the impression that Mr. Mars sold it long before these events (the shooting) took place.

Nope. The only flashback scene was the one going back to the briefcase reveal (you can tell, because it's the only one with that hazy filter on the picture.) Everything else was current.

aussievm

10-14-2006, 04:30 AM

where can u watch 3x02 of VM online without using torrent??? can u give me da website??? i am desperate!!! :confused:

Royster

10-16-2006, 02:27 PM

Nope. The only flashback scene was the one going back to the briefcase reveal (you can tell, because it's the only one with that hazy filter on the picture.) Everything else was current.

Hmmmm. I thought it was the Van Gogh (in a clear plastic protective shell) with the blood on it. There was no money to find in the house, it was all in the painting.

LoadStar

10-16-2006, 03:12 PM

Hmmmm. I thought it was the Van Gogh (in a clear plastic protective shell) with the blood on it. There was no money to find in the house, it was all in the painting.

You're right. The order of the scenes was (with the Veronica and Logan/Wallace plotlines interspersed):

1) Keith showing up at the Sheriff's Office
2) Sheriff and Keith back at the lodge, the deputy grabbing the plastic shell but leaving the painting behind
3) Flashback scene: Kendall revealing the contents of the briefcase
4) Back to current: Keith delivering the painting to the curator, telling him to sell it and donate money to charity

Keith evidently picked up the painting after the deputy grabbed the plastic case and got it out of the lodge. How he did so with the sheriff and deputy doing a search of the lodge is unclear.

The dispute was whether the "Keith delivering the painting to the curator" scene was also a flashback. It wasn't.