Freeview - number changes on 4th Oct [Text View]

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10-04-2006, 12:56 PM

news:uk.tech.digital-tv reports that rescans are now producing

28 ITV4
29 Film4
30 E4+1
31 ITV Play
32 Quiz Call
35 Five US
36 Five Life

today 4 Oct. Ozsat's list plus the new Fives. Off home to check how Tivo will handle it and when. No grumbles about Tivo, this has been badly handled by the Freeview/wotsits. Luckily these stations are the least likely to have had progs recorded for me :-)

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10-04-2006, 04:36 PM

Update: no new DTT layout by this evening on mein Tivo, for a daily call made 07:25 this morning. I forced a call at 19:57 but no New Lineup change reported.

grum

10-04-2006, 04:51 PM

My Freeview box has updated to the new channel numbers, my TiVo hasn't. So instead of Sleepy Hollow on film4 I'm recording some crappy quiz channel...

:mad:

Mike B

10-04-2006, 06:10 PM

From the Crystal Palace TX, the freeview line-up has changed but a daily call just made has not changed any channel numbers on TiVo. Luckily, I've ignored the rescan on the STB until TiVo has the new numbers.

worm

10-05-2006, 05:40 AM

My TiVo updated yesterday.

Mike B

10-05-2006, 05:52 AM

blindlemon

10-05-2006, 06:03 AM

Made a call today (0:07) and has guide data to the 24th Oct but no channel changes reported or apparent. Postcode SN16.

gremw

10-05-2006, 06:48 AM

Tivo had updated this morning so I allowed Freeview box to rescan, all channels now in sync.

ozsat

10-05-2006, 08:43 AM

With this morning's daily call, TiVo has now updated to the new line-up. However, the message which detailed the changes on TiVo was not highlighted with the usual envelope icon on the main menu. Strange.I think the last thing the daily call does is looks to see if a message icon has to be set - this icon seems to appear around the same time as the 'guide data to' date changes - which can be an hour after 'suceeded'.

digital_S

10-05-2006, 12:58 PM

All present and correct for me :) TiVo and STB!!

b166er

10-10-2006, 03:10 PM

Is there something you have to do to make a freeview box update? I'm at my parents house and noticed film four wasn't present in the channel list. I knew it had been discussed here so I came here looking for the channel number.

I notice that we have E4 (today on the 10th of Oct) as channel 32 so we haven't got the renumbering yet, but that's not so much of a concern as we have no tivo here anyway. What's more of a worry is that we don't have Film Four on any channel. So don't these things auto-update? The freeview box is a Sagem cheep and cheerful one.

Nebulous

10-10-2006, 03:21 PM

Is there something you have to do to make a freeview box update?
Yes, you have to go into its main menu and tell it to auto tune. It will then rescan all available channels and renumber them as it goes.

ndunlavey

10-10-2006, 03:53 PM

Someone really needs to sort out the technology for dealing with this better. It's utter pants that we have to do it manually.

Thanks for the hup, ozsat.

b166er

10-10-2006, 04:19 PM

Thanks Nebulous, I did an auto-tune, saved the new list and still no film four on 29 or 31. I wonder if some channels don't show up based on signal strength or area. All the channels are perfect (no mpeg artefacting) so I would think all channels should show up. Weird. Went into a signal strength screen and it shows signal strength 53, quality 95.

Nebulous

10-10-2006, 05:05 PM

b166er

10-10-2006, 05:09 PM

b166er, My box isn't the same as yours but with mine there are actually 2 options when re-tuning:

A) Add new channels to existing ones.
B) Replace all the channels with the new ones.

Does yours have something like option 2, as I think in your case this is the one you need.Mine only has the replace all channels option. It goes and finds lots (but the names flash past I can't see if F4 is there) and I'm prompted to confirm or quit. I confirm and it says "saving" for a second or two and then nothing. I suppose I'm going to have to rtfm, how embarrassing, I'll never live it down. Although I can't imagine what it would tell me to do that I'm not already doing. It scans for new channels and saves them, what else could there be. Crappy sagem :down: Thanks N

I suppose we must have a bad aerial, be in a bad area, or have a crappy freeview box (Sagem ITD58G UK) because it only find 49 tv, 16 radio and 7 other channels. Oh well, it's still a lot. No film four for us :down:

ericd121

10-10-2006, 06:55 PM

Someone really needs to sort out the technology for dealing with this better. It's utter pants that we have to do it manually.FYI My SetPals updated without manual intervention.

Mike B

10-10-2006, 07:11 PM

FYI My SetPals updated without manual intervention.

Are you sure? All the SetPals I've encountered have prompted in the early hours of the morning for a rescan, and if left alone have done nothing rather than rescanning.... They've all needed to be put into standby and bought out again before telling me channels have changed and a rescan is needed.

ndunlavey

10-11-2006, 03:07 AM

FYI My SetPals updated without manual intervention.
That's good - at least someone does it properly.

It's especially good because I passed my old SetPal onto a non-techy friend who probably won't be able to work out how to do it (or even realise that she needs to).

That's what frustrates me about this nonsense - it's all very people like discussing in this forum about rescanning, but what about those people who aren't as tech savvy? How are people like, say, my aged parents supposed to know that they need to do this?

Foxy

10-11-2006, 03:10 AM

That's what frustrates me about this nonsense - it's all very people like discussing in this forum about rescanning, but what about those people who aren't as tech savvy? How are people like, say, my aged parents supposed to know that they need to do this?As long as they keep an eye on this forum, they shouldn't have any problem! :p

ndunlavey

10-11-2006, 05:11 AM

It's bollocks, isn't it?

b166er

10-11-2006, 09:29 AM

It's bollocks, isn't it?Spooky. That's just the word I was thinking it all is ... Bollocks.

ericd121

10-11-2006, 01:31 PM

Are you sure? All the SetPals I've encountered have prompted in the early hours of the morning for a rescan, and if left alone have done nothing rather than rescanning.... They've all needed to be put into standby and bought out again before telling me channels have changed and a rescan is needed.I think I've turned off the early morning rescans in the engineering menu (though I could be wrong).

I didn't touch 'em, Guv, I swear they updated on their own.

cwaring

10-22-2006, 12:01 PM

As long as they keep an eye on this forum, they shouldn't have any problem! :p
You'd think so, wouldn't you, but apparently not :rolleyes::)
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4505583
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=321873

(Gotta love circular threads :D)

b166er

10-24-2006, 04:13 PM

I suppose we must have a bad aerial, be in a bad area, or have a crappy freeview box (Sagem ITD58G UK) because it only find 49 tv, 16 radio and 7 other channels. Oh well, it's still a lot. No film four for us :down:Figured an update was in order. We never did manage to get Filmfour tuned in. At least not until the day I had a proper outside Freeview compatible aerial installed. Then all the channels (including Filmfour) were instantly available.

The aerial installer told me that FilmFour is one of the hardest to receive because of the multiplexer it's on (or something that sounded like that, I wasn't listening). Now (via the 4-output powered masthead thing) we have a perfect freeview signal in 4 rooms. Totally future-proofed for 2012 :D :up:

Pete77

10-24-2006, 07:38 PM

The aerial installer told me that FilmFour is one of the hardest to receive because of the multiplexer it's on (or something that sounded like that, I wasn't listening). Now (via the 4-output powered masthead thing) we have a perfect freeview signal in 4 rooms. Totally future-proofed for 2012 :D :up:
How much did this little upgrade set you back though if I may be so bold?

At my mother's house 2 miles North of Slough (which the Freeview website quotes as being capable of getting all 6 Muxes) there is now no sign at all of a signal on the C3/C4 Mux (ITV and Channel 4 channels) even though there was one until about a year ago. But now the C3/C4 signal level is zero even though I get between 75% and 100% full signal on all other five Muxes.

The aerial is a 1970s simple bar effort on a steep pitched roof with a lot of trees around but having made enquiries with aerial installers most seemed to think a Freeview compatible wideband aerial on a long pole (to clear the trees) would cost £200-£250 upwards. Yet I can get Sky to install a dish and box for only £107.50 after which I can then desubscribe from using the cashback offer at www.quidco.co.uk

Bearing in mind that HD tv is not likely to be available on Freeview for many years but the BBC and ITV are likely to launch a Freesat HD service next year to rival Sky are you sure that you have done the right thing?

b166er

10-25-2006, 03:51 AM

How much did this little upgrade set you back though if I may be so bold? Aerial installers most seemed to think a Freeview compatible wideband aerial on a long pole (to clear the trees) would cost £200-£250 upwards.I got it done by actionaerials ( http://www.actionaerials.co.uk/freeview_installations ). They offer installations from 58+vat, but that's the most basic one. I went for one of the higher gain ones (DMX5) on top of the house on a pole and had a powered amplifier masthead with 4 outputs added, and had it cabled into 3 rooms with one spare for another room. All that came to 162.15 incl. vat.

Bearing in mind that HD tv is not likely to be available on Freeview for many years but the BBC and ITV are likely to launch a Freesat HD service next year to rival Sky are you sure that you have done the right thing?Most people aren't the least bit interested in HD, I know I'm not. I think that buying 42" and 50" LCD/Plasma screens force the need to have HD. Anyone with a 28" or less TV really has no need for it, it's overkill.

Pete77

10-25-2006, 05:00 AM

I got it done by actionaerials ( http://www.actionaerials.co.uk/freeview_installations ). They offer installations from 58+vat, but that's the most basic one. I went for one of the higher gain ones (DMX5) on top of the house on a pole and had a powered amplifier masthead with 4 outputs added, and had it cabled into 3 rooms with one spare for another room. All that came to 162.15 incl. vat.

Most people aren't the least bit interested in HD, I know I'm not. I think that buying 42" and 50" LCD/Plasma screens force the need to have HD. Anyone with a 28" or less TV really has no need for it, it's overkill.

Sounds very good value for the amount of work done. My mum lives near Windsor and Eton as well as Slough and I think in our area Labour rates by these kind of aerial installation guys are much higher. May be I need to try and find any Poles who have decided to set themselves up in the aerial installation business. ;)

As to HD personally I'm not interested in paying £500+ a year in subs to Murdoch for the privilege but as and when I can get a BBC/ITV HD box for say £70 to use with the current Sky dish and I can replace my ageing telly with a 32" HD one for say £500 I may well consider it. Especially when a lot more programs are being shown in HD.

AMc

10-25-2006, 10:31 AM

FWIW the bits are realtively cheap. High gain antenna (http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=AP00815) will cost about £17-20, a roll of co-ax about £30 from B&Q, the pole and fittings another £15. If you need the multipoint mashead amplifier and power supply (http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=AP01415)another £30 will cover it.

The real killer is the labour. Last time I got a quote to put a high gain antenna, masthead amp and replace the cable it came to over £240 - so I did it myself!
£162 is a great price.

b166er

10-25-2006, 10:37 AM

£162 is a great price.At the time I thought it was expensive, but clearly I had no reason to think so. He did have the advantage that the pole was already there (it had been holding a sky dish). He showed me a catalogue (more like a 4 page menu really) of which antennae they offered and it was a fixed-price job, 138 + VAT. Took about 1.5-2 hours. Found 'em in the yellow pages and the guy showed up 2 hours after the call.

Podwin

10-29-2006, 05:41 PM

Are people all OK with this channel renumbering stuff???

My Tivo program guide is still out of sync, yet update everyday OK?

Pete77

10-29-2006, 05:50 PM

Are people all OK with this channel renumbering stuff???

My Tivo program guide is still out of sync, yet update everyday OK?

Have you rescanned your Freeview box for the new channels as well? If you haven't it won't sink up with the new channel numbers the Tivo has been sent?

big_dirk

10-31-2006, 05:09 AM

Are people all OK with this channel renumbering stuff???

My Tivo program guide is still out of sync, yet update everyday OK?

I have the same problem, I updated my Freeview box with an automatic scan yesterday lunchtime, and TiVo hasn't got the Five channels in the live TV list, or the Grid on TiVoweb.

I don't know what i'm doing wrong, oh by the way I've gone though the TiVo menu and marked the new Five channels as "Channels I receive"

Pete77

10-31-2006, 05:39 AM

I have the same problem, I updated my Freeview box with an automatic scan yesterday lunchtime, and TiVo hasn't got the Five channels in the live TV list, or the Grid on TiVoweb.

I don't know what i'm doing wrong, oh by the way I've gone though the TiVo menu and marked the new Five channels as "Channels I receive"

Try rebooting the Tivo box perhaps to fully reinitialise the Tivoweb server.

cwaring

10-31-2006, 07:13 AM

Surely a "quit and re-start" of TW would achieve the same thing, and be much quicker :)

Pete77

10-31-2006, 07:37 AM

Surely a "quit and re-start" of TW would achieve the same thing, and be much quicker :)

No quit and full restart often doesn't put right various problems in TivoWeb - it only makes new modules appear if the whole thing is set up correctly.

But when Info wasn't working and nor was User Interface/Now Playing or the OzTivo Widget just reverting to the original TWP1.3 UI didn't cure it - only a full reboot did.

cwaring

10-31-2006, 08:10 AM

Okay. I sit corrected :)

Podwin

11-01-2006, 11:20 AM

Have you rescanned your Freeview box for the new channels as well? If you haven't it won't sink up with the new channel numbers the Tivo has been sent?

Thanks for that - I was expecting the Freeview box to just change like my NTL would, I was blaming TIVO for no reason, sorry Tivo.