Jericho - Fallout - 9/27/06 *spoiler warning*

[Domandred]

Sorry if already posted.

Count of cities hit:

5 Known
3+ Unknown (pins pulled out but not shown on map)

[drew2k]

This was a good follow-up from the premiere.

The truth is now out to us, but it's too bad Mayor Dad doesn't see it: Jake is the designated town hero, while his brother is the designated cheating-husband.

Jake's back-story is going to be interesting. Was he a washed-out black-ops soldier or something?

One thing I want to know: Where was the deaf girl's brother?

Also: Who was sending the morse-code list of nuked cities, how does the sender know which ones were nuked (you'd think they'd be in the same situation as Jericho - cut off from the world), and is Mr. Hawkins going to eventually tell the Mayor what he found out?

[Redux]

One thing I want to know: Where was the deaf girl's brother?Still at the airport in Sidney?

[Chandler Mike]

I'm watching this show because I like the idea of it and the main story behind it, but the acting and some of the scenes are just horrible :)

[Domandred]

I do have a few nitpicks on the episode...

1. What are the chances that two escaped convicts manage to get two perfectly fitting police uniforms off two police officers that aren't the same size as them? I am really glad that they seem to have tied up that story line quick, I didn't wanna sit through the whole series thinking "whose the convict".

2. Is it humanly possible to NOT have Jake be the hero for everything? Come on two weeks from now and he is gonna be MacGuyver incarnate. But yea I know he's the "star" so he gets to do everything. My wife did say "Woot" when he came to the rescue at the ranch.

Anyways...

My thoughts on Hawkins is that he was visiting his ex-wife (she seemed pretty cold and mildy hostile to each other) from San Diego (hit).

I think the Mayor had a mild heart attack or anxiety attack, but not sure there.

[AJRitz]

Hawkins is more nefarious than just a visiting ex-husband.

The explanation that he's a former St. Louis cop doesn't cover his knowledge set. How many cops are conversant in Morse Code? And why would a visiting cop have a pristine U.S. map, mounted on foamcore, complete with matching red pushpins?

I suspect that Hawkins either was a connection to the attackers or was doing some kind of undercover work trying to track the attackers. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I'll speculate that he was undercover. Maybe he even tried to convince that his superiors that this attack was imminent, but he was ignored. So he acted for his own protection. He packed up his reluctant wife and child and took them to the middle of nowhere - because he knew where the attacks were likely to hit. The Morse Code could just have been confirming which of several coordinated attacks were "successful."

In any case, he knows WAY more than he's sharing.

[madscientist]

I didn't like this as much as the first one. Seemed pretty predictable: the writing, acting, and plot were fairly mediocre. Hopefully it picks back up again--there's a lot of TV on this fall and something's gotta give! We still have Veronica Mars, BSG, Lost, etc. starting up as well... help! They need to give the show something unique so it isn't just another pedestrian disaster series.

[Kamakzie]

My guess is this show won't make it but I'll probably still watch it until it gets nuked pun intended. :D

[Domandred]

Thinking about it more I think I too suspect that Hawkins knew what was going to happen and bundled up his family. Still think he and the mrs are on the outs, but he said something like "your safe, kid's safe".

He got the list and didn't tell anyone, lied about the radio, and instead went straight home and started marking cities. I don't think he was in on it, but I think something in the cities confirmed what he feared/knew was going to happen.

Did he say he is a cop or used to be a cop in the pilot? Used to be a cop could mean he actually moved up to something else, or did move up and got canned for some reason.

Love the show and hate it at the same time.

[jlb.x]

In any case, he knows WAY more than he's sharing.
Exactly what I was thinking. I would go along with the idea that he had some intelligence on the potential for these attacks as someone in the CIA or something similar. For him to be in on these coordinated attacks would mean he has a reason to still be alive, which would seem unlikely since he has no way of communicating with the rest of the world other than some crazy man's HAM radio. Personally, I don't think the writers have that much foresight. ;)

There does need to be another person who can handle some of the minor crises that arise. You could say he might be the Sawyer or Sayid to the Jack character. :D

[TriBruin]

Exactly what I was thinking. I would go along with the idea that he had some intelligence on the potential for these attacks as someone in the CIA or something similar. For him to be in on these coordinated attacks would mean he has a reason to still be alive, which would seem unlikely since he has no way of communicating with the rest of the world other than some crazy man's HAM radio. Personally, I don't think the writers have that much foresight. ;)

There does need to be another person who can handle some of the minor crises that arise. You could say he might be the Sawyer or Sayid to the Jack character. :D

Right now, I am finding him to the most interesting character on the show. I still believe that we will find out that he is a "good" character over all. I suspect that he did not release the list as the town was already dealing with it's own problems. To find out that at least 6 more cities were hit than already known (or suspected) would be rather discouraging.

BTW - Nice misdirection when he was putting up the pins (focus on Washington DC and then move the Philadelphia, same with LA to San Diego). Also a little dishartening to see a pin go in Chicago. :(

So far, I like (but not love) this show. As this TV season, so far, has been lackluster, I am going to stick with it.

[SeanC]

He got the list and didn't tell anyone, lied about the radio, and instead went straight home and started marking cities. I don't think he was in on it, but I think something in the cities confirmed what he feared/knew was going to happen.

I have no doubt that his character is one of the good guys. It was clear to me that his lie about the radio was a white lie so he could calm the wife down and do the search with her.

[TAsunder]

Meh... one more strike and this is gone. It's too cliched and predictable. How did hero boy make it to the farm in about 5 minutes anyway? Jeez.

We don't know it's a total of 8 cities because it wasn't definitely "over with" when the credits rolled. There might have been more pins still.

It has to be that no major city is left or the show would be pointless. Look at everyone here in podunk Kansas! Isn't it interesting!? Nevermind that Los Angeles is fine...

[7thton]

This ep was a bit of a let down for me.

Cons:
The STL cop...how did he get from the fall out shelter to his house so fast?
And Jake is telling the owner of the mine and someone who has worked there for 20+ years where to place the TNT? Gimmie a break.
Jericho isn't that big....did that girl really not know that those 2 guys weren't cops?
You could see the speech Jake's brother gave to the bar guys coming a mile away.

Pros:
I like the morse code bit. However, they didn't do a good job of making the STL cop's placing of the push-pins seem nefarious or sinister. For all we know, he could be in on it. However, the ep didn't convey that well enough. In fact, it didn't really cross my mind until I read it here. Was that really a pro? :confused:

[Steveknj]

I like this show, and although I want Hawkins to be a good guy, I'm not so sure. It could be he was involved in the attack in some way and he KNEW someone would be sending him morse code on that particular channel, and thus he confirms the cities that are gone and what his next step might be. Plus, we REALLY don't have an antagonist yet. Yes there were the criminals that hijacked the cop car, but those were only temporary. You need to have some sort of bad guy (yeah the bomb itself is a antagonist, but I mean someone to cause confilct on a more regular basis, like "The Others" in Lost

Yeah, it's cliched, as this is how we would figure most small towns would react to a nuclear attack.

The one other thing I don't get, wouldn't the strong wind that is bringing the rain ALSO bring in some of the radiation? The hero guy made it into the cellar of that house SECONDS ahead of the rain!!

[bruinfan]

This ep was a bit of a let down for me.

Cons:
The STL cop...how did he get from the fall out shelter to his house so fast?
this isn't 24, it's not real time. though the way jake is playing hero, i wouldn't be surprised if his backstory is he worked for CTU.

Jericho isn't that big....did that girl really not know that those 2 guys weren't cops?


and i agree with the girl point... how could she not know all the cops, and at least know those 2 didn't fit in? and shouldn't she suspicious when the cops are asking HER for directions? shouldn't cops know their own town?

[unicorngoddess]

I really liked this episode, better than the pilot I think.

I also REALLY like the fact that I get to see them online for FREE. Because apparently my husband thinks recording SpongBob gets higher priority and when I got home last night Jericho wasn't recorded.

[Dmon4u]

I though the show overall was much less compelling than the Opening - a little too much mundane Soap Opera stuff.

Only the Red Pins being put in the Map at the end held any real suspense for me ?

[DevdogAZ]

I also thought it was lame that it took the tattoo and the blood for Emily to figure out that the cons weren't cops. She lives in a small town and presumably has lived there her whole life (since she apparently knew Jake from high school). She would definitely know that there is something wrong when she sees two unrecognizable guys driving a Jericho Sheriff's car and wearing their uniforms.

Hawkins definitely knows a lot more than he's letting on. His wife asked him, and she said he always has information, and he told her that she knows better than to ask him that. This leads me to believe that he's either a bad guy (which is what they want us to think, but unlikely) or some sort of intelligence. I think we'll find out he works (worked) for Homeland Security, knew that something was imminent, and moved his family somewhere he knew wouldn't get hit. Yes, I know it's kind of a smeek. Sue me.

I think a fitting ending for this episode would have been for the hand to reach into the box of push pins and grab a whole handful, then fade to black.

[DancnDude]

The one other thing I don't get, wouldn't the strong wind that is bringing the rain ALSO bring in some of the radiation? The hero guy made it into the cellar of that house SECONDS ahead of the rain!!
Yeah I hated that bit as well. And how long do they need to stay inside? Doesn't the radioactive effect last for a long time? This would be a really boring show if they are all stuck in their shelters for the rest of the season. Maybe they need to do a time-jump ahead or it turns out it wasn't radioactive.

[tivoboyjr]

I also thought it was lame that it took the tattoo and the blood for Emily to figure out that the cons weren't cops. She lives in a small town and presumably has lived there her whole life (since she apparently knew Jake from high school). She would definitely know that there is something wrong when she sees two unrecognizable guys driving a Jericho Sheriff's car and wearing their uniforms.

Someone (the mayor, maybe) said the town's population was 5,000 (though it seems a lot smaller than that). If there are 5,000 people in the town, this girl wouldn't necessarily know all the cops. I grew up in a town of over 10,000 people (in Kansas) and was a bit of a trouble-maker, and knew maybe two cops. I agree, though, that there were plenty of clues for her to know something was up - like when they started asking her for directions.

[deezel629]

Someone (the mayor, maybe) said the town's population was 5,000 (though it seems a lot smaller than that). If there are 5,000 people in the town, this girl wouldn't necessarily know all the cops. I grew up in a town of over 10,000 people (in Kansas) and was a bit of a trouble-maker, and knew maybe two cops. I agree, though, that there were plenty of clues for her to know something was up - like when they started asking her for directions.
Well, she is a blonde afterall. :D

[TAsunder]

I didn't read anything into the "you know better than to ask" thing... sounded like something a homicide cop would say to his wife to me.

[unicorngoddess]

I also thought it was lame that it took the tattoo and the blood for Emily to figure out that the cons weren't cops. She lives in a small town and presumably has lived there her whole life (since she apparently knew Jake from high school). She would definitely know that there is something wrong when she sees two unrecognizable guys driving a Jericho Sheriff's car and wearing their uniforms.

I grew up in a small town (Bynum, TX) and I wouldn't have been able to tell the difference. I never saw the police (I guess that's my fault for growing up a "good girl") and I would have never known the difference myself. HOWEVER. If two guys in police car with my home town written on the side of it pulled over (after first speeding by me) and their only interest was finding a gas station, I'd be like, "Hey buddy, it's your town you tell me!"

[DLiquid]

I didn't like this as much as the first one. Seemed pretty predictable: the writing, acting, and plot were fairly mediocre.I have to agree. I still like it and I'll continue to watch, kind of like I did with Surface last year. Not the greatest show, but a guilty pleasure.

And how long do they need to stay inside? Doesn't the radioactive effect last for a long time?I thought so too, but here is a quote from wikipedia:

Fallout radiation falls off ('decays') exponentially relatively quickly with time. Most areas become fairly safe for travel and decontamination after three to five weeks.

[Ruth]

I am still watching and overall I did enjoy the episode. But of course I have nitpicks too.

All that preparation would have taken waaay more than 2 hours. There was about 3-4 hours worth of stuff after they made the 90 minute announcement.

The prison bus storyline is just stupid. There is enough scary stuff going on (what with the nuclear explosions and all). We don't need a silly side storyline with bad tatooed guys. I hope this subplot is over now.

I really think all those people now holed up in their basements with no communication to the outside world deserved to get some information about how long they need to stay there. Otherwise how are they supposed to know when it's safe to come out?

The show is really a lot like Lost. Hopefully there is going to be something new here.

[DancnDude]

So I guess it remains to be seen if they will stay underground for that long, or if they have a way to tell when it is safe to come back out.

[SeanC]

Exactly I was thrilled they (appeared) to be shot dead. Hopefully we'll hear no more of them.

[DLiquid]

So I guess it remains to be seen if they will stay underground for that long, or if they have a way to tell when it is safe to come back out.Hawkins will tell them when it's safe, of course. :rolleyes:

[Ruth]

Also, wouldn't there have been a little more panic at the store? People were just calmly taking a couple things they could carry. I would think you'd see full-to-the-brim shopping carts, and people fighting over the last of the water. I guess everyone still has the warm fuzzies from last week's "let's all work together" speech. :rolleyes:

[DevdogAZ]

Also, wouldn't there have been a little more panic at the store? People were just calmly taking a couple things they could carry. I would think you'd see full-to-the-brim shopping carts, and people fighting over the last of the water. I guess everyone still has the warm fuzzies from last week's "let's all work together" speech. :rolleyes:
I thought they were all working together to get supplies for the two shelters, not all acting for their own interests.

[Ruth]

Well, if they were coordinating food for the shelters (for hundreds of people) wouldn't you have expected them to be buying in bulk? Wheeling out pallets of bottled water and canned goods? Instead they were just grabbing a couple of items. And what about all the people heading for retreat in their own basements? You're telling me that nobody is even trying to buy enough food and water for a week or more? Nobody is stocking up for the long haul now that they can reasonably expect there will be no more shipments of food coming in? I just didn't think it made a lot of sense.

[DevdogAZ]

Well, if they were coordinating food for the shelters (for hundreds of people) wouldn't you have expected them to be buying in bulk? Wheeling out pallets of bottled water and canned goods? Instead they were just grabbing a couple of items. And what about all the people heading for retreat in their own basements? You're telling me that nobody is even trying to buy enough food and water for a week or more? Nobody is stocking up for the long haul now that they can reasonably expect there will be no more shipments of food coming in? I just didn't think it made a lot of sense.
I thought the fact that the grocery store owner wasn't stopping most people from taking stuff showed that it was a coordinated effort to stock the shelters. The fact that she did stop the two girls who were taking sodas showed that she wasn't just letting anyone take stuff.

[Ruth]

I guess the grocery store scene worked OK for some people then . . . . it just really, really did not ring true to me at all. Different strokes, I guess.

[stark]

My guess is that the convict storyline was less about the convicts and more about a way to eliminate the sheriff.

I'd put money that Hawkins gets the sherriff job soon.

[unicorngoddess]

The show is really a lot like Lost. Hopefully there is going to be something new here.

I don't see the comparison to Lost. So far, no plane crash. So far no mysteriuos islands. We haven't had any kind of flashbacks where we learn someone has crossed paths with somone else. So far all we have is a town full of survivors.

[drew2k]

My guess is that the convict storyline was less about the convicts and more about a way to eliminate the sheriff.

I'd put money that Hawkins gets the sherriff job soon.I had already predicted that in last week's thread. :)

My guess about the convict storyline is it's also a way to set up some tension between Jake and Emily. She and Jake used to date, but now she has a fiance who is missing. Showing her independence, she wouldn't let Jake comfort or console her after he rescued her.

Meanwhile, Jake seems to be interested in the other school teacher, April. I'm guessing Emily will come around and warm towards Jake as soon as he starts to get serious with April.

[SeanC]

I'm guessing Emily will come around and warm towards Jake as soon as he starts to get serious with April.

Sexual tension in a drama, pshaw.

Surely, you can't be serious?!?

;) :p :D

[stellie93]

Is there any reasonable explanation for 8 major cities getting nuked all at once these days? Back in the 50's the Soviets had stuff pointed at us, but that stuff is mostly gone or at least in different hands now, right? And while a terrorist can use a "dirty bomb" to nuke a city, we're talking blocks aren't we? Not huge mushroom clouds seen for 100's of miles. North Korea or China might be able to do one or two cities, but not 8 missles going off at once. There's a good reason nobody's prepared for something like this anymore--it's not going to happen!

[SeanC]

I understood that those missles are still there and still pointed at us.

[TAsunder]

As mentioned, who said it was a missile? Could have just been a carefully planned day for years. August 7, 2004 they get the bomb into denver. 2 years later, san diego. They just went off at the same time, is all.

[dswallow]

Is there any reasonable explanation for 8 major cities getting nuked all at once these days? Back in the 50's the Soviets had stuff pointed at us, but that stuff is mostly gone or at least in different hands now, right? And while a terrorist can use a "dirty bomb" to nuke a city, we're talking blocks aren't we? Not huge mushroom clouds seen for 100's of miles. North Korea or China might be able to do one or two cities, but not 8 missles going off at once. There's a good reason nobody's prepared for something like this anymore--it's not going to happen!
Sure there's a reasonable explanation.

China launched 3,582 missiles equipped with nuclear warheads at us.

17 of them hit their targets but failed to detonate.
8 of them hit their targets and detonated.
3,557 of them broke apart and fell into the ocean shortly after launch.

[drew2k]

Sure there's a reasonable explanation.

China launched 3,582 missiles equipped with nuclear warheads at us.

17 of them hit their targets but failed to detonate.
8 of them hit their targets and detonated.
3,557 of them broke apart and fell into the ocean shortly after launch.That's what I like ... optimism! :D

[Rob Helmerichs]

That's what I like ... optimism! :D
That's the cool thing about nuclear war. You can have a 99% failure rate and still wipe out most of humanity!

[rkester]

I liked this episode. As mentioned it did have some flaws, but its got potential still. The end was the most numbing part as he was placing the pins.

And I totally beleive a terrorist group could easily built/distribute nukes throughout the US and detonate on a schedule. We all know that our soil is not guarranteed safe. No post 9/11 precaution can guarantee that.

That is why this is gripping and mind numbing. Because it is very plausible.

[A.C.]

For those of you that watched Invasion last year....doesn't this show seem to have a lot of the same feeling? That being said, I liked invasion and I like this show. TiVo was made for shows like this. I had two waiting to be watched. I would have hated seeing the pilot and not being able to see Fall Out right away. Looking forward to next weeks show.

[dswallow]

I liked this episode. As mentioned it did have some flaws, but its got potential still. The end was the most numbing part as he was placing the pins.

And I totally beleive a terrorist group could easily built/distribute nukes throughout the US and detonate on a schedule. We all know that our soil is not guarranteed safe. No post 9/11 precaution can guarantee that.

That is why this is gripping and mind numbing. Because it is very plausible.
What's implausible about that is the extent of the nuclear explosion -- at least the one we saw on the horizon. A plain nuclear bomb is one thing, but the more advanced higher-yield variations (that actually fully worked) -- those that could decimate an entire metropolitan city -- aren't anywhere near as simple or as portable. To actually have gotten 8 into place such that they could be detonated in a relatively synchronized/simultaneous fashion makes that even less plausible.

[rkester]

It is just a tv show, so there is a built in amount of freedom to play with and bump up the wow factor. I mean, what level of thrills woudl it be if the nuke was tiny and just destroyed a small section of a city?

And, we have NO idea what happened, who did it, it could have been anything or anyone. So saying its not plausible now is like saying that 1 man could not build a house by himself. Men have built a whole house themselves before with the right planning and many years of work.

Free your mind. Enjoy the show. :)

[dswallow]

Free your mind. Enjoy the show. :)
If it were on cable at least we might look forward to occasional nudity to balance the implausible situations. :p

[stellie93]

I'm not saying I won't watch because it's not plausible--I love the show. But as an old woman who remembers when it WAS plausible, I'd like to think it isn't right now. Might be again soon, but not right now.

[pdhenry]

What's implausible about that is the extent of the nuclear explosion -- at least the one we saw on the horizon. A plain nuclear bomb is one thing, but the more advanced higher-yield variations (that actually fully worked) -- those that could decimate an entire metropolitan city -- aren't anywhere near as simple or as portable. To actually have gotten 8 into place such that they could be detonated in a relatively synchronized/simultaneous fashion makes that even less plausible.I suspect that one large enough to destroy a city would fit into a Ryder truck...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/W87_MIRV.jpg/250px-W87_MIRV.jpg

I read that each Peacekeeper warhead is about 25 times the power of a Hiroshima bomb.

[sieglinde]

I enjoyed it but I had to really suspend reality this week.

Why didn't the prisoners just kill the cops?

Why blow up the mine entrance? Go deep enough into the mine and the rain doesn't get to you.

What will they do when they run out of food? Think of where you live. Think of the number of grocery stores. A goodly amount of the food is fresh as in produce or meat that would need to be eaten almost immediately. Since it is not resupplied due to lack of Chicago etc., then the canned stuff would go. I don't know how many people an acre of land can feed but unless they are surrounded by the San Jaoquin Valley, they don't produce enough fruit and vegetables.

Kansas is mainly grain growing and probably livestock. Hope there are some victory gardens somewhere.

[Pab Sungenis]

I'm trying to think of some of the reasons why the cities we've seen as destroyed in the show were chosen. Here are some thoughts.

Chicago, Atlanta, and Denver are the three largest transportation hubs in the country.

San Diego and Philadelphia are major port cities.

Philadelphia and Denver are where the main two mints are, producing all of our circulating coinage.

My guess for the three cities we saw pins allocated for but not marked? New Orleans, San Francisco, and West Point. New Orleans and SF are major ports, and SF and West Point have the two smaller mints.

This was an attack designed to cripple the American economy while leaving three of the five largest cities untouched (New York, LA, Houston), probably tied in with some kind of coup.

[smickola]

I like this show so far, not great but enjoyable. A lot of it doesn't ring true or isn't very plausible, but it's entertaining so far. And my wife is a huge Skeet Ulrich fan, so the season pass is set!

As far as where missiles that could make that large of an explosion could have come from...well, we have them right here, don't we? Who says it can't be an inside job?

[tivoboyjr]

My guess for the three cities we saw pins allocated for but not marked? New Orleans, San Francisco, and West Point. New Orleans and SF are major ports, and SF and West Point have the two smaller mints.

My guess was NY, DC and LA. Shutting down the financial markets, the government, and the porn business will hurt the country a lot more than blowing up the mints in SF and West Point.

[vikingguy]

According to the futon critic the rating in 18-49 group were up 15% this week. Very nice the ratings would go up the second week. I hope the show stays around for a while I think the show will hit its stride by midseason. To many people expect greatness from the first second.

[jschuur]

My guess was NY, DC and LA. Shutting down the financial markets, the government, and the porn business will hurt the country a lot more than blowing up the mints in SF and West Point.

Hawkins hovered over both LA and DC before he ultimately places pins into San Diego and Philidelphia. I think those 2 were saved, or he would have gotten to them the first time around. Even if he was going through the list he made, point by point, chances are someone listing what cities got hit would mention the bigger cities first.

Also note that they said it was a hydrogen bomb that hit Denver. Presumably those aren't as easy to manufacture as fission bombs and point towards a nation behind the attack and not a terrorist group.

[fergiej]

In the pilot thread somebody mentioned "The Day After". Well, it's on Sci-Fi right now. The airways are heating up with Nuke shows/movies...sorry for the bad pun...

[Rob Helmerichs]

Also note that they said it was a hydrogen bomb that hit Denver. Presumably those aren't as easy to manufacture as fission bombs and point towards a nation behind the attack and not a terrorist group.
IIRC, they didn't say that it WAS a hydrogen bomb, only that hydrogen bombs exist now (as opposed to 1945).

[dthmj]

So, did CBS cancel the "webisodes" for Jericho? Not only could I not find a new one for the second episode, I couldn't find the first one either.

I don't blame them... that first one was baaaaaddddd....

[xuxa]

Also note the bombs went off during a national presidential address (i.e. state of the union, but the season isn't right) that spoke of taking an very aggressive stance in world politics. In a news report prior to that it was stated that the president stance/strategy was causing some anger worldwide.

It looks like someone was really angry.

[Bai Shen]

I had already predicted that in last week's thread. :)

My guess about the convict storyline is it's also a way to set up some tension between Jake and Emily. She and Jake used to date, but now she has a fiance who is missing. Showing her independence, she wouldn't let Jake comfort or console her after he rescued her.

Meanwhile, Jake seems to be interested in the other school teacher, April. I'm guessing Emily will come around and warm towards Jake as soon as he starts to get serious with April.

You mean Heather. April is the nurse and Jake's brothers wife. Heather was the girl on the bus. And I think she's more of a helper than a teacher.

Although the whole fan bit an' "belt from a midcentury american car" was a bit wacky.

[Bai Shen]

I enjoyed it but I had to really suspend reality this week.

Why didn't the prisoners just kill the cops?

Why blow up the mine entrance? Go deep enough into the mine and the rain doesn't get to you.


Well, they did kill the sheriff. Which is why it's weird that they had the deputies car and uniforms.

As for the mine, I wondered that as well.

[classicX]

I think the Mayor had a mild heart attack or anxiety attack, but not sure there.

Didn't catch the pilot, but the recap was good enough. Just watched this one with my wife.

Regarding the mayor - I think Hawkins did it. I am very suspicious of him. Why is he not telling them that it's several cities? How does he know so much about radiation?

One thing is for sure, he is not a St. Louis cop who got "up to speed" on radiation after 9/11. They wouldn't bother to tell cops about the top 18" of soil not being safe for planting. Perhaps he was one of those scenario planners for a gov't agency.

:up: on them not showing New York getting a pin in the end. I'm tired of my home getting blown up. :D

[desulliv]

I'm trying to think of some of the reasons why the cities we've seen as destroyed in the show were chosen. Here are some thoughts.

Chicago, Atlanta, and Denver are the three largest transportation hubs in the country.

San Diego and Philadelphia are major port cities.

Philadelphia and Denver are where the main two mints are, producing all of our circulating coinage.

My guess for the three cities we saw pins allocated for but not marked? New Orleans, San Francisco, and West Point. New Orleans and SF are major ports, and SF and West Point have the two smaller mints.

This was an attack designed to cripple the American economy while leaving three of the five largest cities untouched (New York, LA, Houston), probably tied in with some kind of coup.
Well, all the identified cities have NFL teams. Somebody really doesn't like football or is tired of late football games messing up Tivo recordings.

[danplaysbass]

I suspect that one large enough to destroy a city would fit into a Ryder truck...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/W87_MIRV.jpg/250px-W87_MIRV.jpg

I read that each Peacekeeper warhead is about 25 times the power of a Hiroshima bomb.


As someone who works in the industry of maintaining our arsenal, I can tell you that a single Peacekeeper missile can hold up to 10 very nasty warheads. We have thousands of these deployed all over (well not the peacekeepers anymore but the Minuteman IIIs) in addition to all the missiles on navy boats and subs.

As far as the explosion goes, I believe you only get a mushroom cloud of that type with a low altitude detonation, not a ground based one. The reason is that a low altitude detonation effectively sucks debree into itself (this is the base) contaminates it with lethal radiation and then spreads it over a larger area (the mushroom).

If I am correct in this assesment it would definately point to an attack from another country using reentry vehicles.

A mk-21 warhead is not very big...smaller than an average man, but it packs a whallop!!

[classicX]

You could see the speech Jake's brother gave to the bar guys coming a mile away.

True, but it was partly incorrect. The symptom he described were accurate for acute radiation poisoning, which very well could be the case. But he was incorrect on two (maybe three) points:

1) He said that the people would die at the pool table. In reality, given a relatively small amount of initial exposure, some may have been able to survive, and those that would die would have survived for at least several days, if not weeks or maybe even a month or two.

The onset of symptoms so severe that immediate death is imminent would require ridiculously high levels of radiation AND prolonged exposure. They would have to be sitting in a room with a big block or uranium for that to happen.

2) He left out the "walking ghost" phase - a phase of radiation sickness that is characterized by the victim feeling "fine." This phase can last as long as two weeks, which, given the "radioactive rain" scenario on the show, is highly likely.

3 (maybe): Right before death, the victim will encounter delerium, and slip into a coma before dying.

Given that he was trying to motivate them to leave the bar, he gave almost the "worst case" scenario. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that point, and I'll keep watching the show for now, because there really isn't anything else like it. But if the rain water seeps in somewhere and the people inside start dying right away, we might have a problem.

It pays to know. And knowing is half the battle.

[dswallow]

If I am correct in this assesment it would definately point to an attack from another country using reentry vehicles.
Don't discount the possibility of them just having ignorant writers, either. :p

[Sadara]

Has anyone seen the show Jeremiah? This show has the same kind of feel to it, but different disaster. People scambling to have some kind of order after a major "event".

I finally watched the second Jericho last night and I liked the show, but yes there were inconsistancies. My hubby and I both didn't buy her not knowing the cops. Growing up in a small town in Kansas and still living in Kansas, I know the cops for the local town here, I, at least, know their faces, even if I don't know their names. I'm sure it's possible she didn't know them, but I just didn't buy it.

I also didn't get the farm/Jake rescue thing. When she's driving to Wichita, if she didn't get that far, close enough to be 5 miles from the farm, she might have been more aware of the nuke, radio station not working, etc. I'm surprised she's clueless about that fact if she's still that close to town, but anyway. Then to have Jake get there so quickly doesn't sit well with me.... there's just no way. She referred to gas stations, plural. If there were multiple gas stations she had passed, then she got pretty far on her drive to Wichita (we are talking western kansas), there is just NO WAY Jake could have gotten there that fast. I suppose the mine is in between the town and the farm, but the time still doesn't add up. I'm rambling now......

I'm reminding myself, it's a show, don't read to much in to it.

[desulliv]

True, but it was partly incorrect. The symptom he described were accurate for acute radioation poisoning, which very well could be the case. But he was incorrect on two (maybe three) points:

1) He said that the people would die at the pool table. In reality, given a relatively small amount of initial exposure, some may have been able to survive, and those that would die would have survived for at least several days, if not weeks or maybe even a month or two. . . .
Sounded as if they weren't planning to leave that pool table anytime soon.

[tivoboyjr]

Has anyone seen the show Jeremiah? This show has the same kind of feel to it, but different disaster. People scambling to have some kind of order after a major "event".

I finally watched the second Jericho last night and I liked the show, but yes there were inconsistancies. My hubby and I both didn't buy her not knowing the cops. Growing up in a small town in Kansas and still living in Kansas, I know the cops for the local town here, I, at least, know their faces, even if I don't know their names. I'm sure it's possible she didn't know them, but I just didn't buy it.

I also didn't get the farm/Jake rescue thing. When she's driving to Wichita, if she didn't get that far, close enough to be 5 miles from the farm, she might have been more aware of the nuke, radio station not working, etc. I'm surprised she's clueless about that fact if she's still that close to town, but anyway. Then to have Jake get there so quickly doesn't sit well with me.... there's just no way. She referred to gas stations, plural. If there were multiple gas stations she had passed, then she got pretty far on her drive to Wichita (we are talking western kansas), there is just NO WAY Jake could have gotten there that fast. I suppose the mine is in between the town and the farm, but the time still doesn't add up. I'm rambling now......

I'm reminding myself, it's a show, don't read to much in to it.

And if you're talking about inaccuracies, I really doubt that there are any mines in western Kansas - unless it's an oil mine or a wheat mine.

[drew2k]

You mean Heather. April is the nurse and Jake's brothers wife. Heather was the girl on the bus. And I think she's more of a helper than a teacher.D'oh! New season, new shows, way too many characters to identify ... :o

[Bai Shen]

D'oh! New season, new shows, way too many characters to identify ... :o

-chuckle- She jus' stands out for me 'cause I remember her from John Doe.-grin-

[Sadara]

And if you're talking about inaccuracies, I really doubt that there are any mines in western Kansas - unless it's an oil mine or a wheat mine.

That might actually be true, Salt mines are fairly common in these parts. Most of the films/movies from Hollywood are stored in a very large salt mine in Hutchinson, KS. The part about the mine doesn't bother me, it has the possibility of some truth.

[brott]

Regarding the mayor - I think Hawkins did it. I am very suspicious of him. Why is he not telling them that it's several cities? How does he know so much about radiation?

Wasn't the Cheating Son in the room where the Mayor was found just a couple of scenes earlier?

[Sadara]

Honestly, I don't recall.

Hawkins is the only part of this story that is keeping me interested, I want to know what he's all about and what he's hiding, maybe the rest of the story will suck me in by the time they reveal this to us.

[classicX]

a wheat mine.

OMG ROFL

[TonyD79]

Interesting discussion but some assumptions are being made here that don't hold up.

One. Do missles exist today that are aimed at major US cities. What does it matter? This is FICTION. They can "create" a foreign power that attacked. It could be a re-energized Russia, could be China, could be North Korea. Could be some oil country. Since this is fiction, they could even have Saddam Hussein still in power and he really has weapons of mass destruction.

Two. Girly girl who runs into the cops was a bit disoriented when she ran into them. She was freaked out by the dead birds and the first thing they tell her is that a nuke landed. Gee, think she may have just seen the unis and thought "Cops?" Why should she be suspicious of them at first.

Three. The side story of the escaped cons made some sense. They were demonstrating chaos that happens when a catastrophe happens.

Four. To the comment that there would be mass looting or grabbing of supplies at the store: You evidentally did not see how people reacted in New York when the WTC went down or the last massive blackout. No panic. The stories that show insanity when attacks or natural disasters occur are not very realistic. When was the last wild rioting and looting? Rodney King. Nothing to do with calamity, only having to do with racial tensions.

Five. Smaller points. Hawkins was going thru the whole radio dial then "found" a signal. If he knew the frequency ahead of time, he would have gone to it. Also, he was going down his list rather than reading it all then pushing in the pins. He was being methodical. And the list is not neccesarily in the order of size or importance. Maybe in the order of confirmed hits? Oh, and what he told the townspeople wasn't arcane or secret knowledge. Sure, the 18 inches of soil may or may not be what a St Louis cop learns but Morse Code and other stuff is pretty standard knowledge for anyone with even a cursory interest in radioactive fallout and could have come from post 9-11 training. (Although I think he is a govt guy who saw this coming and just ran to where he thought he would be safe...within travel time...cause he would probably be safer in Idaho.)

[Domandred]

...cause he would probably be safer in Idaho.)

Depends on the type of "attack". Terrorist yea probably. If someone nuked Boise the tragedy factor would last for oh probably a week, then everyone on the coasts (New York, LA) a week later would be like "that city that was nuked last week, what was the name again? Boisman? Bosman? Was it in Iowa?"

Yea I live in Boise, we aren't much of a "high target" for terrorists.

Now if it was a war attack lets say by Soviet missiles that even on accident went off and for some bizaar reason were still pointed at the USA then we have several tasty targets,

We got an Air Force Base that during the Cold War I believe was part of the picket line. We have a nuke energy lab (also home of the first town to be every fully powered by atomic energy). We have a submarine test facility (yea in Idaho go figure).

We have a few silos scattered around southern Idaho that make "nuke' em or get em" targets, because of course we would "use them or lose them". I think they are all decommissioned now, but lets say for some dumb reason the Soviet targeting got rolled back to 70's and 80's targets...

So the question remains for the show....what type of attack was it and how many cities were actually effected.

If we are talking about 10 missing suitcase nukes, then anywhere EXCEPT a major city is pretty safe comparitively, but if talking about a massive strike then pretty much nobody is safe except Albany, NY and Jericho, KS.

[Ruth]

Four. To the comment that there would be mass looting or grabbing of supplies at the store: You evidentally did not see how people reacted in New York when the WTC went down or the last massive blackout. No panic. The stories that show insanity when attacks or natural disasters occur are not very realistic. When was the last wild rioting and looting? Rodney King. Nothing to do with calamity, only having to do with racial tensions.

But nothing about 9/11 or the blackout created an intense, time-sensitive demand for food and water, together with making those commodities very scarce. Here, we know that everyone must hole up inside for an indefinite period of time. They will need food and water to survive during that time. We also know that the radioactive rain will contaminate all outdoor water supplies (wells and reservoirs), and also will contaminate all groundsoils, and presumably also all food that currently is growing outside. Furthermore, it appears that all major communications and infrastructure outside Jericho is either destroyed or crippled. Everyone knows that the nearest big city is gone, as is another major American city. (Only Hawkins knows for sure about the others at this point.) So it seems unlikely that any new shipments of food or water are going to be coming in any time soon.

In short, existing water will be contaminated, they will lose their ability to grow food, and they won't get any more supplies from outside of town. Everyone in that town has to survive for the forseeable future on what they can find and put in their pantry right now. I don't know about looting, but I can tell you that under those circumstances, I'd be buying as many groceries as I could cram in my car, including as much water as I could get my hands on. Wouldn't you?

I just think that food and water shortages would quickly become a top survival issue for these people. And if the show totally glosses over it, that will make it much harder for me to believe.

[pdhenry]

Four. To the comment that there would be mass looting or grabbing of supplies at the store: You evidentally did not see how people reacted in New York when the WTC went down or the last massive blackout. No panic. The stories that show insanity when attacks or natural disasters occur are not very realistic. When was the last wild rioting and looting? Rodney King. Nothing to do with calamity, only having to do with racial tensions.Is it possible your TV was broken late last August? :)

[scottykempf]

Uh, why do people seem to believe that there are no more nukes pointed at us, and vice versa? Just because we signed some treaties and destroyed a couple hundred or thousand nukes, we still have thousands as do Russia.

[JimSpence]

Did the sender of the Morse code send the names over and over? It seems to me that Hawkins may only have gotten some of the names. There could have been a whole lot more sent before he found the frequency and a few more after he was interrupted.

[Harrison]

Did anyone see the accident during episode 1 (and repeated during the first minute of episode 2).

If you play it frame by frame, you can clearly see three different accidents occurring. As if they had to film 3 accidents and edit scenes from each together. Trouble is, all three accidents were different collisions.

First, you see the other car coming head on. They are close enough that a head on collision seems inevitable. However the driver of the main character's car is starting to turn the wheel to the right.

In the next few frames they cut to a shot of the red station wagon impacting the drivers side front fender of the black car at a 90 degree angle. (Definitely no head on collision here.)

In the next few frames, you see a different angle of the impact where the station wagon was coming off of a passenger side rear fender impact. No apparent damage seems to have occurred to the driver's side front fender area.

No continuity director here? What's going on?

[dswallow]

What's going on?
It's a momentary warp in the time/space continuum caused by the nuclear detonations.

[Bierboy]

I don't see the comparison to Lost. So far, no plane crash.....You apparently didn't watch the previews...

[Bierboy]

...Meanwhile, Jake seems to be interested in the other school teacher, April...I thought her name was Heather? Ooops....smeek!

[stellie93]

Are we supposed to think that no other small towns in this area are still there? Isn't Kansas mostly wheat fields and small towns? I agree about the shortages of food and water, and also medical supplies--especially whatever you treat radiation sickness with. So I'm seeing gangs of armed men roving from one town to another trying to stock up. You might work together and share within a small community, but I don't see it happening in society at large.

[Jeeters]

I'm trying to think of some of the reasons why the cities we've seen as destroyed in the show were chosen. Here are some thoughts.

Chicago, Atlanta, and Denver are the three largest transportation hubs in the country.

San Diego and Philadelphia are major port cities.

Philadelphia and Denver are where the main two mints are, producing all of our circulating coinage.

My guess for the three cities we saw pins allocated for but not marked? New Orleans, San Francisco, and West Point. New Orleans and SF are major ports, and SF and West Point have the two smaller mints.

This was an attack designed to cripple the American economy while leaving three of the five largest cities untouched (New York, LA, Houston), probably tied in with some kind of coup.San Diego is also a major Naval base, home port to our Pacific Fleet of carriers. Take it out just for economic reasons, and you're taking out nearly half the country's navy, too.

Philly isn't as big of a Port as it used to be; it's barely on the radar for modern container ships anymore; Baltimore, already along the route up the river, is a much more popular stop. For today's super-sized container ships, a trip of the Delaware river to get to Philly Port is an expensive trip and also a hassle.

[RunnerFL]

and i agree with the girl point... how could she not know all the cops, and at least know those 2 didn't fit in? and shouldn't she suspicious when the cops are asking HER for directions? shouldn't cops know their own town?

She is a blonde ya know....

[RunnerFL]

The prison bus storyline is just stupid. There is enough scary stuff going on (what with the nuclear explosions and all). We don't need a silly side storyline with bad tatooed guys. I hope this subplot is over now.


It appeared to me that the prison bus sub-plot was used to get Jake and the blonde ex-gf of his back together in the storyline. It did it's job.

[RunnerFL]

I thought the fact that the grocery store owner wasn't stopping most people from taking stuff showed that it was a coordinated effort to stock the shelters. The fact that she did stop the two girls who were taking sodas showed that she wasn't just letting anyone take stuff.

Was there not a point in the show where someone said to get people to move the food and supplies to the shelter? I seem to remember something like that. So yes, I would think this was a group effort to stock the shelters.

[RunnerFL]

I'm not saying I won't watch because it's not plausible--I love the show. But as an old woman who remembers when it WAS plausible, I'd like to think it isn't right now. Might be again soon, but not right now.


It may not be so much these days as it was when I was growing up but it's still definitely plausible in real life. If you think the Russians removed every nuke pointed at us I've got some beach front property in Arizona I'd like to show you. :)

[hanumang]

No continuity director here? What's going on?

The essence of editing is to maintain the energy - and sometimes the "expected energy" - of a scene/sequence/action. Depending on the number of cameras and the angles involved, a single take (crash) might not yield the right material. For instance, the angles are all wide shots because you don't want to betray the fact that a stuntman, instead of Skeet, is driving the black car. For the close-ups, different takes and therefore different accidents (perhaps even head-on vs off-set) are used to get the right shots to make an action sequence 'pop.'

This a tried and true technique in TV and movies. Of course, most films have more robust 2nd Unit crews (and way more time) dedicated to this so they tend to do a better job of providing the editor with seamless 'coverage' than undermanned TV crews on a tight deadline.

Continuity issues that you have to step-thru to see are the last thing editors worry about.

[RunnerFL]

Did the sender of the Morse code send the names over and over? It seems to me that Hawkins may only have gotten some of the names. There could have been a whole lot more sent before he found the frequency and a few more after he was interrupted.

One would think the sender of the message would repeat it every so often. He probably listened until he heard the list start to repeat.

[Ruth]

One would think the sender of the message would repeat it every so often. He probably listened until he heard the list start to repeat.

That's what I think too. It didn't look like he waited until any specific time to turn on the radio -- it looked like he did that as soon as he could get away. That implies a repeating message.

[RunnerFL]

That's what I think too. It didn't look like he waited until any specific time to turn on the radio -- it looked like he did that as soon as he could get away. That implies a repeating message.

It's been so long since I used Morse Code [Former Boy Scout] and I wouldn't be able to keep up with it going so fast and running in slow-mo has no audio or I would see what the message really is.

Anyone know Morse Code well enough to see what was really being relayed?

[kdmorse]

Anyone know Morse Code well enough to see what was really being relayed?

Not personally, but a quick search shows dozens of threads elsewhere where folks have decoded it:

First Series: "delta code delta 2 minute warning"
Second Series: "score remains scoreless"

I suspect they didn't think anyone would decode it, and just threw in some random morse code - but I could certainly be wrong.

-Ken

[Sadara]

Are we supposed to think that no other small towns in this area are still there? Isn't Kansas mostly wheat fields and small towns? I agree about the shortages of food and water, and also medical supplies--especially whatever you treat radiation sickness with. So I'm seeing gangs of armed men roving from one town to another trying to stock up. You might work together and share within a small community, but I don't see it happening in society at large.

HAHA, I will say this, living in Kansas I safely say there is more to this state than *just* Wheat fields and Small Towns. I won't go in to detail, but there is more here. I am hoping they show that a little during this show, but I'm not holding out hope.

[classicX]

Did anyone see the accident during episode 1 (and repeated during the first minute of episode 2).

If you play it frame by frame, you can clearly see three different accidents occurring. As if they had to film 3 accidents and edit scenes from each together. Trouble is, all three accidents were different collisions.

First, you see the other car coming head on. They are close enough that a head on collision seems inevitable. However the driver of the main character's car is starting to turn the wheel to the right.

In the next few frames they cut to a shot of the red station wagon impacting the drivers side front fender of the black car at a 90 degree angle. (Definitely no head on collision here.)

In the next few frames, you see a different angle of the impact where the station wagon was coming off of a passenger side rear fender impact. No apparent damage seems to have occurred to the driver's side front fender area.

No continuity director here? What's going on?

I know what's going on. The accident was second to the story. Who cares if it was three different collisions?

[Rob Helmerichs]

I know what's going on. The accident was second to the story. Who cares if it was three different collisions?
Especially if you have to watch it frame-by-frame to see it. Which, I'm pretty sure, isn't what the director had in mind...

[newsposter]

just look up chernobyl for some real life radioactive events. I wont bother with details.

The 2 cop thing driving by was indeed stupid. They would stop. And why didnt the idiot criminals take away those guns on display? They were more worried about them being alone.

To the person who's hubby likes sponge bob better..hope you caught the repeat this weekend. SB repeats enough that you can bump that SP a little lower. :)

[loubob57]

Was anyone else rooting for their city to get pinned by Hawkins? I was waiting for a pin to go into Dallas. But then I'm a sick freak. :D

It's already been said, but why would the convicts bother putting the cops in the trunk? More likely they would be in a ditch somewhere with a bullet in their heads.

[Sadara]

Hostages are good for bartering with. I can only imagine that's the only reason they were not killed.

[Bai Shen]

Four. To the comment that there would be mass looting or grabbing of supplies at the store: You evidentally did not see how people reacted in New York when the WTC went down or the last massive blackout. No panic. The stories that show insanity when attacks or natural disasters occur are not very realistic. When was the last wild rioting and looting? Rodney King. Nothing to do with calamity, only having to do with racial tensions.

New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina.

[mitchb2]

I think I will keep recording the episodes, but put off watching them until I hear that it either gets better or gets canceled. I'm sick of getting into a show only to have it pulled after a dozen or so episodes.

The second episode wasn't very good. The bar speech about radiation poisoning was lame. And the fact that 2 deputies in such a small town are asking directions to a gas station didn't clue in Emily? Overall, it's hard to see where the writers want to go with the concept.

But Ashley Scott is one sweet package!

[classicX]

But if the rain water seeps in somewhere and the people inside start dying right away, we might have a problem.

I just was just looking at IMDB, and the next episode is called "Four Horsemen." This episode better jump months into the future, because if people start dying right away from radiation, I'm going to have a hard time believing (and therefore watching) the show.

Check me out, all quoting myself and stuff... :D

[AJRitz]

"Four Horsemen" likely doesn't refer to radiation.

The traditional Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are:
1. War/Destruction - Perhaps some roaming vandals? Sometimes this one is also said to represent False Religion, so perhaps a doomsday preacher whipping up religious fervor?
2. Pestilence - This COULD be where radiation sickness comes in, but might also simply refer to dwindling medical supplies. Generally, IIRC, "pestilence" usually refers to a communicable disease of some sort.
3. Famine - NOW the food shortage starts to become reality
4. Death - What do you do with dead bodies, when you can't disturb the soil?

[jsmeeker]

Anyone know Morse Code well enough to see what was really being relayed?

Not personally, but a quick search shows dozens of threads elsewhere where folks have decoded it:

First Series: "delta code delta 2 minute warning"
Second Series: "score remains scoreless"

I suspect they didn't think anyone would decode it, and just threw in some random morse code - but I could certainly be wrong.

-Ken

If it was random dots and dashes, there is no way it would have formed actual words and phrases that COULD make sense in some context. And they are foolish to think no one would try to decode it.

[Rosenkavalier]

In terms of classifying the targets that we know of so far, I dug up this link of possible targets held over from the Cold War. Keep in mind that the list is on a survivalist site, so there's a lot of other info surrounding it that you'll have to decide for yourself how to respond to. :)

http://www.survivalring.org/cd-targets.htm (scroll about 1/3 of the way down the page)

I grew up just outside Oklahoma City in the late 70's and early 80's. We were always told that, due to Tinker AFB in Midwest City (right next to OKC) being the home base for the AWACS fleet, we were a first-strike target. It was interesting to grow up comforted by the knowledge that if a nuclear war did break out, I wouldn't have to worry about surviving the blast and suffering from radiation poisoning - - we'd all be instantly incinerated in the initial blast. Isn't childhood a precious time? :D

[gchance]

In terms of classifying the targets that we know of so far, I dug up this link of possible targets held over from the Cold War. Keep in mind that the list is on a survivalist site, so there's a lot of other info surrounding it that you'll have to decide for yourself how to respond to. :)

http://www.survivalring.org/cd-targets.htm (scroll about 1/3 of the way down the page)

I grew up just outside Oklahoma City in the late 70's and early 80's. We were always told that, due to Tinker AFB in Midwest City (right next to OKC) being the home base for the AWACS fleet, we were a first-strike target. It was interesting to grow up comforted by the knowledge that if a nuclear war did break out, I wouldn't have to worry about surviving the blast and suffering from radiation poisoning - - we'd all be instantly incinerated in the initial blast. Isn't childhood a precious time? :D

Isn't that odd? I grew up being told the same thing. Beale AFB is 20 miles away from me, 50 miles north of Sacramento.

Isn't that an odd thing to tell children? Don't worry about nuclear war, you're a first target. Yet, that's what we were told. Beale was the primary launch point of the SR-71's until they were retired. I can remember actually being proud of the fact that we were up there on the list.

I still live there. Closer than when I was a kid, actually, probably more like 15 miles away. 5 minutes and I'm at a gate.

Greg

[DevdogAZ]

probably more like 15 miles away. 5 minutes and I'm at a gate.

Greg
180 MPH?? :eek:

;)

[newsposter]

i thought the 4 horsemen were from big brother?

[drew2k]

i thought the 4 horsemen were from big brother?Four Horsemen is also a great song by The Clash (http://www.lyricsdepot.com/the_clash/four-horsemen.html)!

[DevdogAZ]

Four Horsemen is also a great song by The Clash (http://www.lyricsdepot.com/the_clash/four-horsemen.html)!
As well as one by Metallica (http://www.lyricsdepot.com/metallica/the-four-horsemen.html) off the Kill 'Em All album.

[stahta01]

http://www.survivalring.org/cd-targets.htm (scroll about 1/3 of the way down the page):D

I see that Fort Wayne, Indiana is still a third level target, I was told that the reason we made the list was because of IH (International Harvester) being in town. It closed down in the 80's or 90's. I wonder if we are still a 3rd level target; if so, for what reason. GM came to town in last decade.

Tim S

[Bierboy]

I see that Fort Wayne, Indiana is still a third level target, I was told that the reason we made the list was because of IH (International Harvester) being in town. It closed down in the 80's or 90's. I wonder if we are still a 3rd level target; if so, for what reason. GM came to town in last decade.

Tim SI thought it was because they won't air "Studio 60" :D

[newsposter]

I thought it was because they won't air "Studio 60" :D

why punish someone for doing the right thing?

[waldingrl]

I'm cautiously liking this show. There are a lot of characters to remember, though, as is the case with a number of the new fall shows.

[gchance]

180 MPH?? :eek:

;)

Apparently you haven't been to AFB's. ;)

The gates and fences, at least at Beale, are at least 5 miles from where the actual used portion of the base is. I'm sure the buffer's there for a reason, but of course in the case of nuclear attack it wouldn't matter.

Think a chain link fence could hold it back? Heh.

Greg

[DougF]

In terms of classifying the targets that we know of so far, I dug up this link of possible targets held over from the Cold War. Keep in mind that the list is on a survivalist site, so there's a lot of other info surrounding it that you'll have to decide for yourself how to respond to. :)

http://www.survivalring.org/cd-targets.htm (scroll about 1/3 of the way down the page)

I grew up just outside Oklahoma City in the late 70's and early 80's. We were always told that, due to Tinker AFB in Midwest City (right next to OKC) being the home base for the AWACS fleet, we were a first-strike target. It was interesting to grow up comforted by the knowledge that if a nuclear war did break out, I wouldn't have to worry about surviving the blast and suffering from radiation poisoning - - we'd all be instantly incinerated in the initial blast. Isn't childhood a precious time? :D

I grew up on Minot AFB, which I always heard was a top-five target. I wouldn't have even had time to bend over and kiss my @$$ goodbye.

Now, I live about eight miles from the base. I'll probably have just enough time for the kiss.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Now, I live about eight miles from the base. I'll probably have just enough time for the kiss.
Well, if you could reach, you'd probably throw your back out.












Not that that would be your most serious problem at the moment...

[Jericho Dog]

this isn't 24, it's not real time. though the way jake is playing hero, i wouldn't be surprised if his backstory is he worked for CTU.


Yeah, when he was driving to the farm my wife's yelling "Go Jack!"

"ChloedownloadtheGPScoordinatestomyPDArightawayandhaveCurtiss etupahardperimiteraroundthefarmnowNOWNOW!!"

[BeanMeScot]

I didn't think the pilot was great and held off til now to watch it. Now I want to watch the next episode. We will see where it goes. At least it has potential.