Stargate SG-1 9/22/06 "The Quest"

[JustAllie]

The last time I saw this movie, it starred Harrison Ford and Sean Connery. :D

[IndyJones1023]

When Cam was reaching for the rock by the cliff I thought he was going for sand and going to say "I saw this in a movie once." :D

Even though this series is not at its height, it's a comfortable Friday night friend. I will miss it when it's cancelled.

[WinBear]

now they just need to get Sean Connery to do the voice of the dragon.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Is it me, or was it a really bad strategic move to have the last image we see for several months a really crappy effects shot?

[Anubys]

chasing the child as the clue was silly...even if they wanted to kill the child, not help him, they would have run after him...

"after you, Muscles"...Vala was fantastic throughout... :D

[HTH]

This is the mid-season finale, right?

[HiddenSky]

This is the mid-season finale, right?

Yeah, it returns in January.

ETA: Oops, looks like it's March according to some TwoP posts.

[MikeSh]

Yeah, the dragon fire was pretty crappy FX.

MikeS.

[ebonovic]

And how many of you "called-it" that she lost all of her powers.... that was so freaking obvious....

We (My wife and I), where wrong on one thing though... at the start we figured the old guy was going to be Merlin.... I guess they couldn't have made the episode "that" obvious...:D

BTW... have I mentioned how much I hate 3 month "To Be Continued"s

[Sherminator]

How many of you thought that when they were going thru the temporal maze, that one of them should have dragged their heels in order to leave a trail of where they have been,

And when was a Tapwave Zodiac able to detect temporal anomalies?chasing the child as the clue was silly...even if they wanted to kill the child, not help him, they would have run after him...

"after you, Muscles"...Vala was fantastic throughout... :DThey could have killed him through the portcullis, only by lifting it, to free the "boy" did they show kindness.Is it me, or was it a really bad strategic move to have the last image we see for several months a really crappy effects shot?Perhaps they were trying to show SciFi "Look, We can do cheap!" in an attempt to get the show renewed.

[drew2k]

And how many of you "called-it" that she lost all of her powers.... that was so freaking obvious....Me!

We (My wife and I), where wrong on one thing though... at the start we figured the old guy was going to be Merlin.... I did the same thing! :p

[drew2k]

How many of you thought that when they were going thru the temporal maze, that one of them should have dragged their heels in order to leave a trail of where they have been,Me!

And when was a Tapwave Zodiac able to detect temporal anomalies?They could have killed him through the portcullis, only by lifting it, to free the "boy" did they show kindness.Perhaps they were trying to show SciFi "Look, We can do cheap!" in an attempt to get the show renewed.Huh? :eek:

You lost me at Tapwave Zodiac ... :confused:

[drew2k]

How many of you are hoping that Adria completely loses her Orisi powers and joins SG1 as a regular?

Me!

[gchance]

How many of you thought that when they were going thru the temporal maze, that one of them should have dragged their heels in order to leave a trail of where they have been.

When they lost the signal and someone said, "What do we do now," I said to my wife, "Oh I dunno, we're walking through loose DIRT, perhaps retrace our steps."

Then of course they reminded us that the guys were following them. Dragging their heels wouldn't have made a difference.

Greg

[Peter Miller]

And how many of you "called-it" that she lost all of her powers.... that was so freaking obvious....

We (My wife and I), where wrong on one thing though... at the start we figured the old guy was going to be Merlin.... I guess they couldn't have made the episode "that" obvious...:D

BTW... have I mentioned how much I hate 3 month "To Be Continued"s

6 months this time. :(

[IndyJones1023]

6 months this time. :(
Hey, Peter! You need to change your user text to "6th Member of SG1!" Vala is the fifth. :D

Hopefully, with 3 extra months to think, they will uncancel the show.

[Rob Helmerichs]

When they were in the "maze," I thought they should be tossing dirt. Toss it to the left, toss it to the right, and you have walls.

[Sherminator]

Huh? :eek:

You lost me at Tapwave Zodiac ... :confused:The device that Sam was using (and has in several other episodes) looks remarkable similar to :

http://www.bargainpda.com/assets/1839.jpg

P.S. a few people commented on the crappy fire effect which closed this episode, perhaps the producers were skimping on the special effects to prove to SCIFI that they may be able to make the show for less in order to keep the show on air. The last 2 seasons have been particularly high on special effects courtesy of the Ori.

[IndyJones1023]

When they were in the "maze," I thought they should be tossing dirt. Toss it to the left, toss it to the right, and you have walls.
And blow your effects budget.

:D

[moot]

And when was a Tapwave Zodiac able to detect temporal anomalies?

Oh, those darn SGC scientists are amazing at adapting modern consumer electronics. Just a few episodes ago, Sam had a PSP doing some kind of 'sensor'-ing. Now we see them doing the same with a Zodiac. And let's not forget the Dell XPS laptop that was specially configured to interface with an Ori spaceship.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd try to pick something with better battery life than the 3-4 hours you're going to get with modern electronics like those. You never know how long you're going to get stuck in a cave with no power outlet in sight. :p

You just watch. I predict that the Sangraal will be a cleverly disguised iPod Nano.

On the subject of the actual episode...did anyone else find it very underwhelming? As far as mid-season cliffhangers go, this was pretty tame. Our exciting ending scene was a dragon that they had been playing up so much in the episode that you knew it was coming a mile away. And it didn't even look that big. They didn't show it with perspective to anything else, so it could just be the size of a bat for all we know.

[Rob Helmerichs]

And blow your effects budget.

:D
I concede your point, but they really shouldn't write a scene if the only solution they can afford SG-1 to come up with makes them unimaginative morons.

Which, I guess, makes the writers unimaginative morons! :D

[windracer]

When they were in the "maze," I thought they should be tossing dirt. Toss it to the left, toss it to the right, and you have walls.
Yeah, I thought of that too ... why Sam was using just a rock I'll never know.

[Anubys]

Amazing how they all forgot that the key to the dragon is to know its name and that Baal has the name...so as far as suspense, I guess only if Baal is wrong are they in trouble...

[Tangent]

I've got a theory about the nature of the Sangraal. Since it involves some info from a special and not an actual episode I'll spoilerize just in case... :p

In the special shown before "200" Michael Shanks said that something special would happen to Daniel that's not death, not ascension. I don't think the Sangraal is an actual physical object. I think that when Daniel reached for that red orb that his hand passing through it was not an indication that it wasn't the real thing. I think that in passing his hand through it powers similar to Adria's were given to Daniel. Defeating the dragon might be one last step to unlocking the powers, but I think that Daniel is now the anti-Ori weapon.

Something tells me that Baal was bluffing about knowing the name anyway...

[Idearat]

I saw the Tapwave Zodiac. Guess the upgraded from the Philips Pronto they've used before.

I didn't think about the dragging their feet in the maze, but I'd had another solution for finding the way forward. They could have just fired off their "never empty MP-5s" in an arc. They'd see the bullets stuck in the air where they hit an anomaly, they'd keep going if they didn't hit one.

[Sherminator]

I was also expecting one of the people in the temporal distortion field to be one of Ba'als men pretending to be in the field into order to block the correct route.

[painkiller]

And the dragon came up from the bottomless pit?

After Daniel put his hand through the 'whatever-that-was' jewel? [signal]

I don't think that was the Sangraul (or however you spell it).

[Anubys]

Actually, I was wondering how there were people so far up in the maze...you would expect most people to be right at the edge...

[Tangent]

Actually, I was wondering how there were people so far up in the maze...you would expect most people to be right at the edge...

Those are the people that entered a few thousand years ago.

[danieljanderson]

Those are the people that entered a few thousand years ago.

Good point!

They still think they are moving forward.

[mrpantstm]

at the start we figured the old guy was going to be Merlin....

I was hoping it would be. To me, that would have been more interesting than adding Adria to the group. Perhaps still we'll see Merlin once the dragon is defeated. Obviously Adria will survive with her amulet. Perhaps the others will hide behind her. :D

Personally a rather underwhelming mid season finale. More likely to lose viewer interest than keep it till January (or whenever).

[wolfiii]

I missed the last 20 minutes of the show due to storms, is there any place I can see this again ? It is not being rerun from what I found.

Thanks for an help.

Cliff

[bonscott87]

I missed the last 20 minutes of the show due to storms, is there any place I can see this again ? It is not being rerun from what I found.

Thanks for an help.

Cliff

Either Bit Torrent or watch for an SG-1 marathon that I'm sure will be coming before it starts up again in March.

[Anubys]

Those are the people that entered a few thousand years ago.

I thought about that...except that they were all dressed from the same "era"...ok...how about this: how come there were no animals or birds stuck in the time field? you would think the field would be full them over thousands of years!

[geekmedic]

I thought about that...except that they were all dressed from the same "era"...ok...how about this: how come there were no animals or birds stuck in the time field? you would think the field would be full them over thousands of years!
Uh, did you not see the bird stuck in mid-flight??????????

[MrGreg]

How come the time dialation field wasn't full of dust and leaves? We know a rock sticks (when thrown). And instead of throwing rocks, I would have thrown dirt, or something else that scatters to really draw out the border of the path... but that CGI probably costs a lot more than just a floating rock.

[mrpantstm]

except that they were all dressed from the same "era"

If that's a clue for time dilation, I think every planet SG1 visits is stuck in a time dilation field. :D :p

[Dennis Wilkinson]

I thought about that...except that they were all dressed from the same "era"...

That's right... the "Renaissance Faire" era! :D

[IndyJones1023]

As we've seen on countless planets, the Goa'uld and other god-like entities have kept their populi down, never letting them get too advanced, always making them believe in a higher power. Basically, keeping their technology steady. Thus we see dozens of worlds stuck in the Renaissance or earlier.

Why did Earth break out of that mold and advance. Well, there was an uprising to overthrow Ra. Why? SG-1, of course!

[Anubys]

Uh, did you not see the bird stuck in mid-flight??????????

one freaking bird in thousands of years?

that's my point...

[IndyJones1023]

one freaking bird in thousands of years?

that's my point...
Perhaps the field generates a hum discernable to birds and other fauna that humans can't detect. Sort of like an electric fence.

[dcheesi]

And how many of you "called-it" that she lost all of her powers.... that was so freaking obvious....I called it when she didn't do anything to Baal (the show's not dark enough for her to actually kill him, but she certainly would have demonstrated her powers). However, that confused me, as I thought she did something special when she lifted the portcullis earlier?? At the very least she displayed super-strength compared to the others. :confused:

[Rob Helmerichs]

Perhaps the field generates a hum discernable to birds and other fauna that humans can't detect. Sort of like an electric fence.
And dust and leaves can detect it too. :D

This is just one of those things that really doesn't bear thinking about. Otherwise, you'd have to explain how a human can survive for years with half of his body frozen (since in the second or two it would take for the entire body to pass into the zone, there would be a very, very long time when the part of the body already within the zone would not be able to get blood, air, neural impulses, etc., from the part of the body outside the zone).

[Anubys]

I called it when she didn't do anything to Baal (the show's not dark enough for her to actually kill him, but she certainly would have demonstrated her powers). However, that confused me, as I thought she did something special when she lifted the portcullis earlier?? At the very least she displayed super-strength compared to the others. :confused:

the gate opened because they ALL tried to open it...since she was the last to help, it looked like it lifted because of her...

[Tangent]

Remember how one of the team said something about how the trees were still swaying in the breeze dispite the dilation field? I think Sam guessed that they were an illusion to hide the existence of the field. Figure that it would take the average person at a brisk walk about 15 seconds to cross the field. The only dust or leaves you would see are those that were mid-air during that 15 seconds of time that have elapsed inside the field. As for other birds or animals, either the field emits something that animals know to avoid and that one bird just happened to be there when it was activated, or they're hidden behind the same illusion that makes the trees look like they're moving.

[dcheesi]

the gate opened because they ALL tried to open it...since she was the last to help, it looked like it lifted because of her...But it lifted so easily when she touched it, whereas before they couldn't lift it at all. Which to me implies that she's at least as strong as the rest of them combined. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but IIRC she basically just yanked it up one-handed while the others were struggling and putting their whole bodies into it.

[jeetkunedo]

But it lifted so easily when she touched it, whereas before they couldn't lift it at all. Which to me implies that she's at least as strong as the rest of them combined. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but IIRC she basically just yanked it up one-handed while the others were struggling and putting their whole bodies into it.
But remember it was a test. It wouldn't have mattered how strong anyone was. The gate wouldn't open until they all tried to open it. Once they all had their hands on it, I saw it as the gate just opened by itself because they had solved the puzzle, so to speak. :)

[pendragn]

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[IndyJones1023]

But remember it was a test. It wouldn't have mattered how strong anyone was. The gate wouldn't open until they all tried to open it. Once they all had their hands on it, I saw it as the gate just opened by itself because they had solved the puzzle, so to speak. :)
Good point.

[jschuur]

I called it when she didn't do anything to Baal (the show's not dark enough for her to actually kill him, but she certainly would have demonstrated her powers).
We don't even know if that's the original Baal or a clone for that matter.

The original Baal would probably not want one of his clones to make off with such a powerful weapon, but is he confident enough that he won't come to any hard on this mission?

[mitchb2]

Even my 8-year-old said "Lame...saw it in Indiana Jones."

SHame on them. This whole Merlin arc is just stupid. I miss SG-1.

[Jonathan_S]

The last time I saw this movie, it starred Harrison Ford and Sean Connery. :DYep. Even before they got to the bridge; as soon as Jackson said "There is only one virtue left" I immediately said "Ah, the Indiana Jones moment" because even before he walked through and explained, it was obvious that this one was a test of faith. (I might have though of it before, but I'd lost track of which virtues they'd checked off of their list :D)

How many of you thought that when they were going thru the temporal maze, that one of them should have dragged their heels in order to leave a trail of where they have beenDidn't think quite that far, since after all they wanted to get through the maze, not escape it. But one of my early thought right after they said there had to be a path was that, given sufficient manpower it would be easy to "brute force" the maze. Just run everyone forward, then keep running people into the gaps. Eventually you have a solid wall of frozen people defining that path.

(I assume there must be multiple paths through the maze, of else a path is created near where a party tries to figure out the maze. Imagine how annoying it would be to happen to start on the wrong side of the circle if there was only one opening.)

However, I didn't generalize my brute force approach to use inanimate objects.

[drew2k]

the gate opened because they ALL tried to open it...since she was the last to help, it looked like it lifted because of her...But by that logic, then the entire group should have had to take the last test of "FAITH" and leap through the fire. Daniel lept, the fire disappeared, but it shouldn't have because the others didn't leap yet. Contradiction? Yes.

[Stormspace]

Yeah, I thought of that too ... why Sam was using just a rock I'll never know.

They could have at least shown her trying sand/dirt and having it fall back to the ground while making a comment. "Must be too small for the field to act on it." It would explain why dust, leaves, and wind are unaffected.

[Tangent]

With all the comments about it being like Indiana Jones I just remembered what my wife said when they got to the cave and were trying to figure out what to do: "Only the Penitent man shall pass, we all know that!"

[JustAllie]

Drink from the cruddy old grail, Daniel! Drink from the cruddy old grail! ;)

[Vendikarr]

Yeah, it returns in January.

ETA: Oops, looks like it's March according to some TwoP posts.

Actually, it returns in March.

[mportuesi]

Yes, six-month cliffhangers are way too long. By then, I've forgotten all the plot details of the cliffhanger - which then begs the question of why I'd be interested in seeing the conclusion.

[IndyJones1023]

Yes, six-month cliffhangers are way too long. By then, I've forgotten all the plot details of the cliffhanger - which then begs the question of why I'd be interested in seeing the conclusion.
If only they'd repeat the cliffhanger before the season opener....


;)

[busyba]

And how many of you "called-it" that she lost all of her powers.... that was so freaking obvious....

We (My wife and I), where wrong on one thing though... at the start we figured the old guy was going to be Merlin....
I thought he was Merlin too. When Daniel reacted to the Ori quote, I thought the quote might have been something from the Ancient writings and that was the tip off that he was Merlin. I guess I need to study my Book of Origin a little better. :)

So now that the Ori chick lost her powers, can't they just push her off the cliff and into the pit?

[busyba]

I've got a theory about the nature of the Sangraal. Since it involves some info from a special and not an actual episode I'll spoilerize just in case... :p

In the special shown before "200" Michael Shanks said that something special would happen to Daniel that's not death, not ascension. I don't think the Sangraal is an actual physical object. I think that when Daniel reached for that red orb that his hand passing through it was not an indication that it wasn't the real thing. I think that in passing his hand through it powers similar to Adria's were given to Daniel. Defeating the dragon might be one last step to unlocking the powers, but I think that Daniel is now the anti-Ori weapon.
You're wrong. Well, you're wrong about what Shanks said in the special. I've seen a spoiler that makes it pretty obvious what he was talking about when he said what you quoted.

It's a pretty huge spoiler, so think about it before you go looking:

Daniel gets turned into a Prior of the Ori

[Combat Medic]

I was amazed that Daniel reached for the red glowing thing without reading what was written behind it. He always reads first.

[mrpantstm]

I thought he was Merlin too. When Daniel reacted to the Ori quote, I thought the quote might have been something from the Ancient writings and that was the tip off that he was Merlin. I guess I need to study my Book of Origin a little better. :)

That was what had me thinking he was Merlin as well. Like he was trying to see whether they were really worthy by tagging along.

Oh well.

[pkscout]

You're wrong. Well, you're wrong about what Shanks said in the special. I've seen a spoiler that makes it pretty obvious what he was talking about when he said what you quoted.

It's a pretty huge spoiler, so think about it before you go looking:

Daniel gets turned into a Prior of the Ori

Hope that isn't true. It would be trite, stupid, and boring. Besides, they'd only have 10 episodes to get it all figured out before the series finale.

[Combat Medic]

Hope that isn\\\'t true. It would be trite, stupid, and boring. Besides, they\\\'d only have 10 episodes to get it all figured out before the series finale.
I could see him being given the power of a prior by the thingie.

[myriadian]

oh, i just remembered. i was surprised by the lack of banter between adria and vala. it was totally lacking.

and yes, i agree that daniel should have just pushed her over the edge when he figured out she was powerless. end of problem. let's move on.

maybe sg1 will end similarly to babylon5. the ori and the ancients go into battle for eternity (like how oma and anubis were removed from interaction thru eternal conflict) and then the universes are left to the current corporeal inhabitants.

M.

[eddyj]

and yes, i agree that daniel should have just pushed her over the edge when he figured out she was powerless. end of problem. let's move on.
She still has that thing that protects her, if only defensively. So maybe it would still protect her against something like that.

[myriadian]

She still has that thing that protects her, if only defensively. So maybe it would still protect her against something like that.

bah! she should be able to fall as easily as anyone else. even if she survived the impact at the bottom of the pit....well....she's at the bottom of a pit! i refuse to believe that she could hover or fly with just the piece of celesta.

M.

[IndyJones1023]

and yes, i agree that daniel should have just pushed her over the edge when he figured out she was powerless. end of problem. let's move on.
I don't think that Daniel would kill Vala's daughter right in front of her.

[myriadian]

I don't think that Daniel would kill Vala's daughter right in front of her.

i get the feeling that vala would get over it. plus! the space-whore is annoying AND dangerous! make with the DIE DIE DIE KILL KILL KILL!!

M.

[IndyJones1023]

But she's hot! You can't kill hot chicks!

[Anubys]

But she's hot! You can't kill hot chicks!

even the ones that refuse your advances?

what's this world coming to?! :D

[busyba]

But she's hot! You can't kill hot chicks!
A certain 'Heathers' quote suddenly comes to mind.... :)

[IndyJones1023]

Damn, I gotta see that movie someday.

[dlovearl]

A certain 'Heathers' quote suddenly comes to mind.... :)

CornNuts!

[marrone]

I recall wondering too why Daniel just didn't push her over the edge. I don't think her personal protection device would save her from that. Plus, isn't it manually activated?

I thought this was an episode out of a D&D module. Though Vala was good...'tis a shame they are ending the series when she's finally a real member of SG-1.

-Mike

[newsposter]

Those are the people that entered a few thousand years ago.

haven't they had to pee in all that time?

[Anubys]

haven't they had to pee in all that time?

no...cause to them, only a few seconds had passed...