CSI - OAD (Season Premiere "Built to Kill") 9/21/2006 *Spoilers*

[Sirius Black]

For some reason I thought last season was the end for all the CSI programs. Lucky I was wrong.

I'm not going to give any spoilers in this first post. Especially considering the show is still on for another 5 minutes (by my clock).

Why can't the radio actually play musicians like John Mayer instead of the absolute bilge that they usually play?

[Rob Helmerichs]

That was weird--it's almost like they ran short, so decided to start next week's episode early. The last 15 minutes seemed very boring and pointless...

[drew2k]

I really and truly hated this season opener of CSI. I somehow feel like I was taken for a ride and we didn't quite get there, or tthat I slept through my stop. I don't even know if the shoe salesman is going to jail or not.

By the way, who did Danny Bonaduce play?

[Lori]

For some reason I thought last season was the end for all the CSI programs. Lucky I was wrong.

I'm not going to give any spoilers in this first post. Especially considering the show is still on for another 5 minutes (by my clock).

Why can't the radio actually play musicians like John Mayer instead of the absolute bilge that they usually play?

Not sure what radio you listen to, but sometimes it seems like mine plays nothing *but* John Mayer. Not good since I really can't stand his voice.

[durl]

By the way, who did Danny Bonaduce play?

I believe he was the dead man at the table at the end of the episode. Perhaps next week will be a "flashback" showing what happened to him?

I thought the episode was OK until the end. Switching between Catherine and Grissom at the end was a bit confusing at first (intentional, I'm sure) but I agree that it did appear to make the episode lose focus. It's like the first 40 minutes just dissolved and were left somewhere. And Mayer singing might have been a setup for what happened to Catherine, but the stronger impression was that it was filler.

[Barryrod]

When we were watching it and they were in the club dancing, I satrted thinking that this was maybe a 2hr show and Tivo recorded only 1hr....Was a very strange episode. I remember last season the premiere was an odd one too. They were showing 2 different scenes at once and was very hard to watch. Hopefully they will get back to their roots for future episodes this season.

[JustAllie]

Two cameos in one episode -- Cirque de Soleil and John Mayer!!

I'm surprised they had any time left for the... um, four different crime plots and several personal story angles they touched on in this episode.

Weird.

I like John Mayer, but I hate that song.

[DancnDude]

Agreed that the 2nd part of the episode was just strange. The Cirque part was actually pretty cool seeing the behind-the-scenes of that stage and production.

[Joeg180]

Well the story will be continued next week. Why didn't Nick walk all the way over to Catherine instead of waving from the dance floor.

[DreadPirateRob]

Very strange opener - no resolution on the one of the two main storylines (it appears that there was no crime in either), and then an abrupt shift with 15 minutes left. I can kinda see the relevance of leaving the Katherine story at the end, but I fail to see why the crime scene-within-a crime scene needed to start now, instead of in the opener of next week's ep.

I have to say that it was very uncomfortable watching Katherine give herself a home SAE kit. :shudders:

[DancnDude]

It was funny that Grissom brought Sara lunch and Warrek asked where his was :D I guess they are going to be keeping this relationship a secret to the other characters for awhile.

[jschuur]

I can kinda see the relevance of leaving the Katherine story at the end, but I fail to see why the crime scene-within-a crime scene needed to start now, instead of in the opener of next week's ep.

I'm guessing they wanted to break up the 'intense' scene with Katherine and also create a second cliffhanger to get people to tune in again next week on the new ultra-competitive time slot.

[Jesda]

This show has become a miss since season 5.

[analog4]

I don't get the ending of CSI w/ Katherine and being in that room, and then going into the bathroom to do something to her finger.

And what's the deal with Sara and Grissom looking at that second crime scene? I was lost.

[tivogurl]

I don't get the ending of CSI w/ Katherine and being in that room, and then going into the bathroom to do something to her finger.
She scraped the underside of her fingernails for possible skin cells or other trace evidence.

[Rob Helmerichs]

And what's the deal with Sara and Grissom looking at that second crime scene? I was lost.
They were sleeping together at the end of last season.

[Graymalkin]

She scraped the underside of her fingernails for possible skin cells or other trace evidence.

Exactly. She was administering a rape test kit to herself. It'll be interesting to see if she goes completely lone-wolf on this one, or if she accepts help from any of her colleagues.

[bruinfan]

Two cameos in one episode -- Cirque de Soleil and John Mayer!!
Cirque was probably more product placement than a cameo...

wierd ep... but that last 5 min with the model of the crime scene... that was pretty freaky.

[MikeSh]

So was Catherine drugged at the bar and then taken home and raped? Or did she get drugged and killed someone?

To me it looked like she was going to destroy any possible evidence of a crime she might have commited.

MikeS.

[DancnDude]

It was 2 things shown at the same time. The first was Katherine getting drugged, raped, and doing the rape kit. The second was a crime where the murder looked like the diorama. The events were completely unrelated.

[Rob Helmerichs]

It was 2 things shown at the same time. The first was Katherine getting drugged, raped, and doing the rape kit. The second was a crime where the murder looked like the diorama. The events were completely unrelated.
The slightly ambiguous part is that Catherine had blood on her hands...

[drew2k]

It was 2 things shown at the same time. The first was Katherine getting drugged, raped, and doing the rape kit. The second was a crime where the murder looked like the diorama. The events were completely unrelated.She was raped? I don't think we know that for sure.

We saw through her hazy vision and I don't recall seeing anything that looked like she was getting raped. However, after she woke up in strange surroundings, that was definitely her worst fear, which is why she's collecting evidence.

What I really don't understand is why Katharine did not call for help. She has friends on the police force and in CSI that will back her up 100%, just like when Nick was kidnapped.

[DancnDude]

Ok we don't know for sure she was raped, but she was doing a rape-kit on herself and she suspects she was raped. I didn't notice blood on her hands. Maybe I'll have to rewatch that part.

[Delta13]

I'm guessing that if one gets drugged in a bar, then wakes up naked in a strange motel room, and you're female, that you weren't killing time at the International Tiddley Winks Convention at the Mirage ...

To add to the freaky parts - she carries an SAE kit in her purse?

"Disjointed" should have been the title of this episode.

[mrmike]

To add to the freaky parts - she carries an SAE kit in her purse?

Well she used the wrapping from the glass/ice bucket as a bindle and a tampon as a vaginal swab, so not really.

[murgatroyd]

I'm guessing that if one gets drugged in a bar, then wakes up naked in a strange motel room, and you're female, that you weren't killing time at the International Tiddley Winks Convention at the Mirage ...

To add to the freaky parts - she carries an SAE kit in her purse?

No, she was making up a kit as she went along. Some bits from her purse (the usual feminine products), but the rest improvised from the stuff in the hotel room.

Jan

[tivogurl]

She got the evidence, if any, of her possible rape, but doesn't the fact she did it herself create problems with chain of custody?

[angbear1985]

No, she was making up a kit as she went along. Some bits from her purse (the usual feminine products), but the rest improvised from the stuff in the hotel room.

Jan


Yes- she used items from the hotel and her purse, to do the rape kit. I think there was the date rape drug in her drink - she didn't know what was going on. She was raped.
FREAKY - the final part ... with the guy, bleeding on the table - and identical model of it. The rest of the show was very lame, until that part.

[Delta13]

Thanks for the clarification on the kit - I watched it late at night, and it seemed slightly confusing. Plus, I don't think I've ever seen a rape kit before. (For the record, I did figure out what she was doing with her comb. :) )

But ... I agree with tivogurl. Aside from the fact that proof of intercourse is not proof of rape, she potentially contaminated all of the evidence she found. It wouldn't be hard to show that a seedy hotel's towels might not be the most sterile or clean. None of this evidence would see a courtroom. And what if the guy used a condom?

But maybe that's the point of the arc. Maybe Catherine is going do her own investigation (and possibly mete out punishment), and that's why she took the shower there at the end in the motel. She knows the odds of proving this in court.

[JMikeD]

But maybe that's the point of the arc. Maybe Catherine is going do her own investigation (and possibly mete out punishment), and that's why she took the shower there at the end in the motel. She knows the odds of proving this in court.

All she has to do is drop a word to her dad Sam after she learns who it was, and the guy will be wearing cement shoes at the bottom of Lake Tahoe.

[kar74]

It's probably a stretch, but I'm wondering if whatever happened to Catherine isn't somehow linked to Nick. Isn't the person who buried him still on the loose? It seems like I remember Grissom listening to "the tape" last season like he was still trying to put pieces together. Who knows. Again, just a thought.

[durl]

It's probably a stretch, but I'm wondering if whatever happened to Catherine isn't somehow linked to Nick. Isn't the person who buried him still on the loose? It seems like I remember Grissom listening to "the tape" last season like he was still trying to put pieces together. Who knows. Again, just a thought.

I hadn't thought of that. Could be very interesting if that ends up being the case.

[speedcouch]

Well the story will be continued next week. Why didn't Nick walk all the way over to Catherine instead of waving from the dance floor.

What I find totally unbelieveable is that Nick would let Katheine leave the bar with a stranger, especially if she was out of it on roofies or something. I don't care how enthralled he was with the woman he was dancing with, this just don't fly with me.

I also though immediately that she was compromising the evidence, but I didn't think about her going after the rapest on her own. So that would make sense, I guess.

Thought the first two deaths were pretty boring and as people have said, didn't amount to crimes anyway. Just weird to use these last two scenes to fill the episode.

Cheryl

[cherry ghost]

It was 2 things shown at the same time. The first was Katherine getting drugged, raped, and doing the rape kit. The second was a crime where the murder looked like the diorama. The events were completely unrelated.


Didn't anyone else notice that the dead guy(Bonaduce) was sitting next to Katherine in the bar?

[DancnDude]

What I find totally unbelieveable is that Nick would let Katheine leave the bar with a stranger, especially if she was out of it on roofies or something. I don't care how enthralled he was with the woman he was dancing with, this just don't fly with me.

Katherine went to get a drink and Nick met and started dancing with a woman. Shortly after that, Nick waved goodbye to Katherine as he left with that woman. This was during the time we started seeing the blurryness so presumably she still looked ok when he left.

[Hank]

Ok, back to the actual episode. Is it me or did both plot lines come to a weird, abrupt halt.. like "ok, this one's done". In the Cirque case, she just hit her head and fell? That's it. case closed. In the suicide case, how did they tie the sesame seeds to prove his suicide? It was all wrapped up in 14 seconds with no real explanation at all. So what if the gun was transported in the oven mitt. What did the seeds have to do with anything except proving that's where they came from. Still could have been murder - especially considering the motive. And anti-psychotic drugs don't work right away like some drugs, so giving his lover his meds wouldn't make him feel any better, even if he was depressed. The entire episode was just all wrapped up at :45 to make room for the intro for next week. No real resolution to either case.

[angbear1985]

I'm sure - she had the date rape drug given to her ... if she doesn't remember what happened, I'm sure - she considers it rape. And - I agree... the suicide was wrapped up too quick. And - the gal that fell - did they really ever say - what happened? Ususally - they will press it more - if something did knock her over. But - that was it? Okay - fine... is how they dealt with it....

NO - I DIDN'T NOTICE.... really - is that Danny B. sitting next to Catherine at the bar ??? I'll have to go back and look. AND - did I blink? What was Nick and Catherine doing out at a dance club? I thought for a moment - they were on a date together ???

And - also - didn't think about it ... they did leave the whole story line WIDE open, with Nick - when he was buried. The guy is still out there. They barely touched on it last season. The previews make it look like Catherine's daughter ... something happens to her.

[Idearat]

All she has to do is drop a word to her dad Sam after she learns who it was, and the guy will be wearing cement shoes at the bottom of Lake Tahoe.


Lake Mead

[Idearat]

But ... I agree with tivogurl. Aside from the fact that proof of intercourse is not proof of rape, she potentially contaminated all of the evidence she found. It wouldn't be hard to show that a seedy hotel's towels might not be the most sterile or clean. None of this evidence would see a courtroom. And what if the guy used a condom?


At this point she doesn't know for sure she was drugged. If she remembers everything up to the point we saw her black out she will only remember she was drinking and enjoying a night out. She may recognize some of the aftereffects of being drugged and have a strong suspicion though. I think if she was 100% sure she'd have called in her team and got a proper exam before showering. On the off chance she got carried away and didn't remember she's gathering what information she can.

[miscellaneous]

Didn't anyone else notice that the dead guy(Bonaduce) was sitting next to Katherine in the bar?

This is my thought. My confusion, personally, is why the ending was tacked onto a nothing story (the first 40 minutes of the show). I hope at some point one of those two non-crimes ends up meaning something, but I somehow doubt it.

The guy who tried to buy her a drink, then got progressively closer to her while the drugs were kicking in, looked a LOT like the guy who was dead at the end of the episode. I'm sure the storyline is going to be something along the lines of 'guy rapes Catherine, then somehow gets to the weird place with diorama of his death.' And, of course, there will be tiny scraps of information that point to Catherine and the dead guy being in the same place at the same time.

Overall impression of the first episode back?: Weird.

[mrpantstm]

I thought the two murders were pretty dull. A suicide and an accident with very little complications in solving them although the proof was weak.

The diorama killer seems interesting. Whoever killed that person clearly put A LOT of thought into it. Seems this will be Grissom's new Moby Dick.

Catherine's rape kit does break the chain of custody but perhaps as others have suggested, she's doing this on her own. We thought it was odd that she didn't leave immeaditly (she's a CSI so I'm not too suprised she didn't) or at the very least go and make sure the door was locked.

I doubt Catherine's abduction has anything to do with Nick. The guy who kidnapped Nick blew himself up. The other voice on the tape recording was the guy's lawyer I believe who the guy's daughter killed by driving the lawyers car into her. The daughter is in jail or pyschiatric hospital since she tried to kill herself.

Whether Catherine's and Grissom's scenes are related remains to be seen.

[angbear1985]

Catherine's father, Sam - was in this one, briefly, too - wonder if that is a set up - for something, later - too. I think - I saw a preview - where she slaps him?

[Hank]

Someone's setting up Catherine to be the prime suspect in the diarama murder. Likely the tape-recorder-bathtub guy, or the guy who burried Nick.

[mrpantstm]

or the guy who burried Nick.

But he's dead.... ;)

[sketcher]

But he's dead.... ;)
Blowed up, sir. [/Stripes]

[Hank]

Blowed up, sir. [/Stripes]

Yeah, that's just what they *want* you to think. You'll see.

[pcguru83]

The previews make it look like Catherine's daughter ... something happens to her.

Yup, I'd have to agree. That's the first thing my wife said after seeing the preview...

[RoundBoy]

Grissom noticed that the tape had a 2nd voice on it .. not the voice of the man that blew himself up after being confronted on his farm. The 2nd voice was in the background, almost directing.

The dancer chick was an accidental death ... it was just presented as a murder (as they all are) and was made more sensational because of where it happened.

The suicide guy was thought to be murder due to the money angle and who he was busines partners with (Sam) ... the suicide was prooven because the gun had sesame seeds on / in it .. gotten from the oven mitt .. which was used to transport it.

Since there were seeds in the guys pocket ..and the oven mitt was in his luggage, he therefore brought the gun with him in his pants.

It was also thought to be murder because he was still holding the gun, apparently in all the suicides they have seen, this never happens... lending credit to the muder angle.. But it was found out that he had some illness which causes your hand to grip (?) or something to that affect.

As for Kathernine... we shall have to see how this turns out .... I agree that it would be rape if Danny B (or someone else) put the drug in her drink ... then took her home..

-BUT-

What if the drug was in her drink.. and someone unrelated to the drugging or who didn't know the drug was in her drink, took her home? To her it was probably rape, but according to him, she was just a willing gilr.

[drew2k]

I'm sure - she had the date rape drug given to her ... if she doesn't remember what happened, I'm sure - she considers it rape. And - I agree... the suicide was wrapped up too quick. And - the gal that fell - did they really ever say - what happened? Ususally - they will press it more - if something did knock her over. But - that was it? Okay - fine... is how they dealt with it....

NO - I DIDN'T NOTICE.... really - is that Danny B. sitting next to Catherine at the bar ??? I'll have to go back and look. AND - did I blink? What was Nick and Catherine doing out at a dance club? I thought for a moment - they were on a date together ???

And - also - didn't think about it ... they did leave the whole story line WIDE open, with Nick - when he was buried. The guy is still out there. They barely touched on it last season. The previews make it look like Catherine's daughter ... something happens to her.


Captain Kirk? :confused:

Is that you?





























Seriously, read it as Captain Kirk. It's quite amusing!

:D

[drew2k]

Ok, back to the actual episode.:confused: Where did we all go?Is it me or did both plot lines come to a weird, abrupt halt.. like "ok, this one's done". Not just you ... and yes, I felt like that (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4403540&&#post4403540).

[angbear1985]

ha ha - Funny Drew2k

[Delta13]

Sorry there Angbear, but Drew - that was ... fanTAStic! :)

As to Danny B. being in Catherine's bar - I don't know. He doesn't appear to be the guy who originally offered to buy her the drink (who looks rather like Greg, actually). He might be the guy shown later on looking at her, but we only get a partial on his face.

And to me, looking in slo-mo, he's not Danny. The dead guy has much more beard than Half Face Guy.

[Hank]

:confused: Where did we all go?

Talking about next week's episode, and what *may* have happened to Katherine. While all along, this weeks kills weren't adequately explained, IMHO.

[drew2k]

ha ha - Funny Drew2kSorry angbear. :)

The dots and dashes seemed to be in just the right places, as if you were channeling Captain Kirk. I just couldn't resist!

[drew2k]

Talking about next week's episode, and what *may* have happened to Katherine. While all along, this weeks kills weren't adequately explained, IMHO.OK, gotcha. I hope this episode isn't a model for future CSI episodes. This will get confusing here at TCF if CSI continues to introduce the following week's story at the end of the current one ...

[DevdogAZ]

OK, gotcha. I hope this episode isn't a model for future CSI episodes. This will get confusing here at TCF if CSI continues to introduce the following week's story at the end of the current one ...
I don't think it will become SOP. It was just a plot device used to bring people back for ep 2 of this season.

I had no problem with the two cases in the beginning being tied up. Neither one was very complicated and they just kind of ended. However, because of the pacing I'm used to in the show, I just expected that the show was about over when Catherine and Nick went to the club. I didn't realize at all that they had solved the first cases quickly and that there was time to set up two new storylines. Imagine my surprise when the show kept going.

I think someone is setting Catherine up. I'll bet Danny Bonaduce didn't have anything to do with it, but someone wants the CSI's to believe that they were together. There won't be any evidence of rape, because that wasn't the intent of the whole thing, but because Catherine can't remember, she'll assume that it happened and that will cause her character to go through some dark places this season.

[angbear1985]

I was thinking, too - who ever put the drug in Catherine's drink - may have just taken her back to the hotel room, and undressed her. Nothing more. Just to mess with her.