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I'm new to this forum.
Are there others as shocked as I am that Tivo would deliver such a horrible upgrade to our system software? Intermittant: Menu jumping, missing save/delete option at end of program, sluggish performance, an 'X' mark before delete -- why? -- once you hit delete, there is no stopping it... The 'X' would only be useful if there was an option to de-select it -- this is worthless 'fluff' that does nothing but waste machine cycles and impact performance. The system now cannot reliably tell if you watched part of a program -- it will say 'resume', and then start at the beginning... I'm still finding more problems with this delivery.
I've spoked to Tivo several times. Nobody knows what went wrong or when they're going to fix it.
I'm a software developer. It's unheard of to deliver untested software to the customer. It's business suicide to deliver said software and do nothing about it.
Tivo is pushing Series 3. I WAS one of Tivo's biggest supporters -- no more! Series 3? I think not -- something better will become available.
lets kill owen
09-19-2006, 08:10 PM
I'm surprised to not see more of these types of threads. Maybe I am looking in the wrong place. Only noticed one other.
I own and have owned two series 2 tivo boxes for many years. Both with lifetime subscription.
The software has gotten frustrating. Frustrating to the point of questioning whether or not TiVo is doing it on purpose to try and force people into moving into new and more capable hardware. Frustrating enough to make me wanna create an account on here for the first time.
Every point made by p777 I experience as well. On both boxes.
Does anyone have any real insight into this? Please someone tell me they're working on fixing this.
ZombiE
09-19-2006, 08:16 PM
Guys please search,
These issues have been gone over and over and over before.
It is a known issue with "some" Tivo boxes that do this. Maybe before Jan 1st we will have an update.
Tivo has said, "We are looking into this"
Nothing about fixing the problems "some" Tivo users are experiencing.
Z
Thanks for reading and replying to my thread!
After this latest delivery, I waited over a week before calling Tivo. I expected an 'oops' and a roll-back to the previous delivery.
At about two weeks, I called Tivo, but the phone support staff seemed to be in the dark. The third call at about three weeks was with a pretty sharp guy. He wanted me to talk to their software developers, but I ended up being sent to voice-mail...
I have a few friends at work with Tivo (about half of our group). We've all concluded that Tivo is so focused on Series 3, they're letting the cleaning staff do the Series 2 software work...
If I've not followed the process, thanks for pointing this out.
No excuse, but I was so happy to find this forum, I just jumped in.
Thanks.
ZombiE
09-19-2006, 08:33 PM
Welcome to the forum!
This is a great place to share info and get answers to your questions, sometimes very fast.
Most everyone here will help you if you have a problem, sometimes they will point you to the Tivo manual, sometimes to another thread, but most will respond and try to answer your questions the best they can.
Trust me, I've done my share of griping over Tivo's latest crapware release.
Z
Stu_Bee
09-19-2006, 08:40 PM
If I've not followed the process, thanks for pointing this out.
No excuse, but I was so happy to find this forum, I just jumped in.
Thanks.
I don't blame ya. We've seen a recent influx on new posters complaining about the slowness. I think that in itself (ie new people taking the time to register and post their feelings) will remind us that there is probably a huge unheard mass out there struggling with the last version release.
rainwater
09-19-2006, 08:47 PM
It is a known issue with "some" Tivo boxes that do this.
That is not true. Most of the UI bugs occurs on ALL boxes. Not some. Maybe only some people called TiVo, but the bugs are universal.
ZombiE
09-19-2006, 09:05 PM
Thanks Rainwater,
I was refering to the slow down issue. The UI bugs I'm sure everyone has :)
I should have clarified myself on that. :D
Z
DancnDude
09-19-2006, 09:15 PM
Just so you know, the "X marking" is a new feature. It makes sense if you know what it is but is maybe a bit confusing if you dont. Notice that the software doesn't ask you if you are sure you want to delete anymore. It just puts the X instead. You can use the "Clear" button on your remote to mark a bunch of shows to delete in rapid succession. There is no need to wait for one show to be deleted before marking another to delete. This is why they put the X as a visual indicator that it will be deleted. You can "undelete" the item from the new "Recently deleted" folder at the bottom of your Now Playing list.
rainwater
09-19-2006, 09:18 PM
Just so you know, the "X marking" is a new feature. It makes sense if you know what it is but is maybe a bit confusing if you dont. Notice that the software doesn't ask you if you are sure you want to delete anymore. It just puts the X instead. You can use the "Clear" button on your remote to mark a bunch of shows to delete in rapid succession. There is no need to wait for one show to be deleted before marking another to delete. This is why they put the X as a visual indicator that it will be deleted.
The problem is the selection code is a mess and it causes it to select the wrong item after the x disappears. A better solution would of been for the item to just disappear. The visual X and delayed list removal is actually more confusing than previous versions.
'X marking' is not a new feature -- it's new junk. There is no new capability involved. Items on the way to the trash are marked with an 'X' on the way -- absolutely no value added at the expense of wasting machine cycles and making the system more sluggish. This baloney is made even worse by the non-intuitive menu shifting after the delete.
This 'X' marking crap serves only one purpose -- it identifies the software delivery that went into the field without testing. The 'X' marking issue is minor -- this software delivery is loaded with genuine bugs -- not just worthless new features. This software delivery is totally unlike any other delivery Tivo has made. All other deliveries clearly have been thoroughly tested before going to the customer. This totally out of place 'train wreck' of a delivery went to the field one month before the start of heavy marketing for Series 3.
Think about it -- Tivo is all about Series 3 now. Why would they end a multi-year very clean and efficient software upgrade program for Series 2 with an absolutely horrific final delivery?
I'm not a coder, but I too have to wonder what Tivo was thinking this time around. I think they are adding too many features to a box that wasn't designed to hold so much. If I had a choice, I'd do away with all the media features, Kidzone, etc...
I really don't understand why they can't or won't allow us to reinstall older versions of software. I have no need for all the extras and speed is just more important to me.
I couldn't stand the slowdown and bugs any longer. I picked up a dvr from Cox and moved my Tivo off to the bedroom.
This box used to be a joy to use.
megazone
09-20-2006, 06:49 AM
'X marking' is not a new feature -- it's new junk. There is no new capability involved.Wrong. The old functionality was that you hit clear. Then you confirmed. Then it would take a second to delete, and you couldn't do anything while that was happening.
Now you hit clear, it is marked, and you can move on - no waiting. You can delete a list of shows just by hitting clear repeatedly.
It doesn't make things more sluggish, it speeds it up! The delete delay is the same as it was, only now you don't have to wait for it to finish.
The menu shifting I agree needs to be addressed.
Think about it -- Tivo is all about Series 3 now. Why would they end a multi-year very clean and efficient software upgrade program for Series 2 with an absolutely horrific final delivery?nothing is ended. S2 development is still going strong. The S2 will be marketed alongside the S3 for a long time to come, and they're merging the codebases by the end of the year. The S2 and S3 will be sharing the code - the S3 is already built from an earlier branch from the S2, around 7.2.
GoHokies!
09-20-2006, 06:58 AM
I'm a software developer. It's unheard of to deliver untested software to the customer. It's business suicide to deliver said software and do nothing about it.
If you're a software developer and honestly think that Tivo delivered untested software you're an idiot. Kindly tell us what kind of software that you develop, so I can avoid it. MZ already corrected you about the "x" functionality, the slowness issue has been addressed over and over and over, and Tivo has said that they're looking into things - 7.3.1 has been out for a while now, which quickly fixed most of the bugs that people were having.
If you're a software developer and honestly think that Tivo delivered untested software you're an idiot.
You're out of line here! :eek:
greg_burns
09-20-2006, 08:06 AM
You're out of line here! :eek:
No he's not. The software is Tivo's lifeblood, I'm sure it was tested. The question should be why was it released before the bugs were fixed?
No he's not. The software is Tivo's lifeblood, I'm sure it was tested. The question should be why was it released before the bugs were fixed?
I'm in your camp. What I was referring to was the unnecessary and out of place name calling. Everyone is entitled to her opinion without being derided for expressing it.
ZombiE
09-20-2006, 08:26 AM
The issue is if you have a slow box and apparently most don't, then the multiple delete function is worthless. If you hit the delete multiple times you end up deleting stuff you didn't want to because the system is so slow to respond. Maybe it works great if your box isn't affected by the slow down issue.
I am assuming the S3 has a faster processor than the S2. So as they keep adding features in the future the S2 is only going to get more bogged down, unless they branch the S3 software off at some point. It just seems that they are hitting the processing limit for the S2 processor.
Z
rainwater
09-20-2006, 09:47 AM
Now you hit clear, it is marked, and you can move on - no waiting. You can delete a list of shows just by hitting clear repeatedly.
No waiting? Are you kidding me? You have to wait to see what item is is going to magically select before you can delete/select another one.
Btw, this is the 3rd generation delete. This X delete functionality was added to make multiple deletes quicker. However, the 2nd generation delete was the only one that worked correctly and quickly. It actually didn't change the selection until it was deleted. In order to satisfy a few users who like to delete a lot of items at once, they have made it more difficult for the majority of users. Great job guys!
megazone
09-20-2006, 09:59 AM
No waiting? Are you kidding me? You have to wait to see what item is is going to magically select before you can delete/select another one.!Not on my 810H nor my S2DT. The RS-TX20 can be pokey, but I pretty much stopped using that. It will be sacrificing lifetime for my S3. And when the free year is up, probably going back to Basic to be just a DVD player.
rainwater
09-20-2006, 10:03 AM
Not on my 810H nor my S2DT. The RS-TX20 can be pokey, but I pretty much stopped using that. It will be sacrificing lifetime for my S3. And when the free year is up, probably going back to Basic to be just a DVD player.
My S2DT selects and deletes the wrong item all the time because if you move the cursor while its deleting it will move it back to the next item as soon as its done removing the X. I have confirmed this on the 540 and 240 as well. So the selection bug appears to occur on every single S2 platform.
megazone
09-20-2006, 10:20 AM
It will jump, but if you delete a bunch of stuff in a row you can do it before it finishes any and moves the list. I've also hit delete and then started playing something else right away a number of times. I like not waiting like it used to work.
rainwater
09-20-2006, 10:26 AM
It will jump, but if you delete a bunch of stuff in a row you can do it before it finishes any and moves the list.
Yeah, thats nice if you are deleting stuff right in a row and the screen doesn't have to redraw. Otherwise, you may hit delete right when the X is going away and it deletes the wrong item. Its a bug that affects all S2 machines. Its not that complicated to figure out. The problem is TiVo didn't think this feature through at all. If it wasn't ready, they shouldn't of pushed it out in 7.3.1. There was no need to push out a buggy delete feature when the previous version worked just fine.
George Cifranci
09-20-2006, 01:50 PM
Wrong. The old functionality was that you hit clear. Then you confirmed. Then it would take a second to delete, and you couldn't do anything while that was happening.
Now you hit clear, it is marked, and you can move on - no waiting. You can delete a list of shows just by hitting clear repeatedly.
I could have sworn that in between the above 2 functionalty examples you mentioned, that there was one where you just hit clear and it just got immediately deleted and sent to the Recentlly Deleted folder and did not show an 'X'. I am almost certain of this. Then with the latest version of the software 7.3.1 they added the 'X''s.
Am I wrong?
ZeoTiVo
09-20-2006, 02:01 PM
'X marking' is not a new feature -- it's new junk. There is no new capability involved. Items on the way to the trash are marked with an 'X' on the way -- absolutely no value added at the expense of wasting machine cycles and making the system more sluggish. This baloney is made even worse by the non-intuitive menu shifting after the delete.
the x marking allows you to delete several items in a folder one after the other. otherwise they would have to drop the show just deleted and redraw with the shows left. by putting up the X it letst hem do a much simpler redraw and the user can keep hitting the clear button knowing he is on the right selection.
now othr things are bugs and forgive me if I smeek but TiVo had to ship 7.3.1 as they had 3rd party deals around KidZone and had to put the software out as is. so the ywent with no showstoppers but there is a list of bugs.
I am confident TiVo is working on the bugs and will have a new update out before the year is done
rainwater
09-20-2006, 02:07 PM
so the ywent with no showstoppers but there is a list of bugs.
Except hitting LiveTV on the S2 DT can cause a lockup. And 7.3.1 has major issues getting an ip address using DHCP so a lot of users can not longer connect to get guide updates except through a phone line.
rainwater
09-20-2006, 02:08 PM
I could have sworn that in between the above 2 functionalty examples you mentioned, that there was one where you just hit clear and it just got immediately deleted and sent to the Recentlly Deleted folder and did not show an 'X'. I am almost certain of this. Then with the latest version of the software 7.3.1 they added the 'X''s.
Am I wrong?
No, you are correct. What it did was lock the selection until it got removed. That way there were no selection issues in that release. However, they wanted to add a way to delete a lot of items at once to please a small portion of users and couldn't even finish the implementation so it worked correctly.
dolfer
09-20-2006, 02:26 PM
If you're a software developer and honestly think that Tivo delivered untested software you're an idiot. Kindly tell us what kind of software that you develop, so I can avoid it. MZ already corrected you about the "x" functionality, the slowness issue has been addressed over and over and over, and Tivo has said that they're looking into things - 7.3.1 has been out for a while now, which quickly fixed most of the bugs that people were having.
Sorry buddy... I agree with the software developer dude. The quality of Tivo's updates stink! If I could revert back to the original software I would do it in a second.
What do you mean the slowness issue has been addressed over and over. It's been going on for me since 7.1!!! It's absolutely unbearable now. Now it takes two or three seconds for my Tivo to respond to a button press. It's ridiculous! Someone (or some group) within Tivo is not doing their job... I have said it before, it's ashame that such a great product is being ruined.
timr_42
09-20-2006, 03:18 PM
Yeah, thats nice if you are deleting stuff right in a row and the screen doesn't have to redraw. Otherwise, you may hit delete right when the X is going away and it deletes the wrong item. Its a bug that affects all S2 machines. Its not that complicated to figure out. The problem is TiVo didn't think this feature through at all. If it wasn't ready, they shouldn't of pushed it out in 7.3.1. There was no need to push out a buggy delete feature when the previous version worked just fine.
That happens to me a lot. I now have to stop and wait for a redraw as I have deleted things I didn't want to because when I hit delete the second time the cursor had moved.
Good thing there is a deleted folder. At least I can go retrieve it.
ZeoTiVo
09-20-2006, 03:42 PM
Except hitting LiveTV on the S2 DT can cause a lockup. And 7.3.1 has major issues getting an ip address using DHCP so a lot of users can not longer connect to get guide updates except through a phone line.
the DT live TV bugs have been around since the DT first codebase. Slowly getting fixed. But 7.3.1 did not introduce them.
never heard of the IP address issue and have not experienced it myself so can not comment on that but you can type in a static IP address on a TiVo so there is no reason they could not still use broadband - they just have to do an annoying workaround
timckelley
09-20-2006, 04:24 PM
I haven't heard of these X's before. (Then again, I have a series one, but my wife has a series two.) So you can do batch deletes now? By chance can we do batch saves to VCR? That would be EXTREMELY handy, and my wife has wanted that feature for a long time.
GoHokies!
09-20-2006, 04:59 PM
What do you mean the slowness issue has been addressed over and over. It's been going on for me since 7.1!!! It's absolutely unbearable now. Now it takes two or three seconds for my Tivo to respond to a button press. It's ridiculous! Someone (or some group) within Tivo is not doing their job... I have said it before, it's ashame that such a great product is being ruined.
I mean here on the boards - a search will turn up a number of threads talking about this, yet we keep having the same discussion over and over in new threads because people don't bother to search and see what has been discussed.
I stand by my original post - if the OP thinks that Tivo released software without testing it, he's an idiot. If you live your life being offended every time someone calls someone else a name, it must be a tough life.
I just call 'em like I see 'em.
CuriousMark
09-20-2006, 05:18 PM
And 7.3.1 has major issues getting an ip address using DHCP so a lot of users can not longer connect to get guide updates except through a phone line.
Some wireless adapters are having this issue with some wireless routers and not others. However the workaround of entering a static IP works and allows people to keep getting their guide updates online. When that bug gets fixed, they should be able to switch back to DHCP if they so desire.
I am not defending the bug, but did want to make sure that anyone still having this problem is aware of the workaround. I would hate to see them stuck with a phoneline connection when they don't have to be.
CuriousMark
rainwater
09-20-2006, 05:45 PM
Some wireless adapters are having this issue with some wireless routers and not others. However the workaround of entering a static IP works and allows people to keep getting their guide updates online. When that bug gets fixed, they should be able to switch back to DHCP if they so desire.
I am not defending the bug, but did want to make sure that anyone still having this problem is aware of the workaround. I would hate to see them stuck with a phoneline connection when they don't have to be.
CuriousMark
The problem is most users do not understand how to use a static ip address. Thats the whole point of DHCP. While its great that their are workarounds, TiVo support is having to deal with people having these problems. And of course their first response is to return the adapter. So it seems Tivo CS does not even know of this problem which only makes the situation worse.
lets kill owen
09-20-2006, 07:06 PM
If you're a software developer and honestly think that Tivo delivered untested software you're an idiot. Kindly tell us what kind of software that you develop, so I can avoid it. MZ already corrected you about the "x" functionality, the slowness issue has been addressed over and over and over, and Tivo has said that they're looking into things - 7.3.1 has been out for a while now, which quickly fixed most of the bugs that people were having.
Wow. Clearly TiVo delivered under-tested software. It's obvious that if the software was thoroughly and completely tested that these types of issues would not be occurring.
But you'd rather use "this" software than the software developed by an individual who is actually concerned about quality and control? Who's the idiot?
Bad code is bad code. I'd love for that quick fix. Unfortunately I have to sit and deal with all these problems that TiVo has thrown onto both my boxes. It's too bad it has to be compounded with a fanatical stance from a clown like you.
No point in posting in a forum like this anymore. Ill received I guess. So I apologize to all you TiVo die-hards -- but it's not my fault or the OPs fault TiVo dropped the ball.
GoHokies!
09-20-2006, 07:24 PM
The problem is most users do not understand how to use a static ip address.
There's the problem, people just expect to be able to plug things in and have them work by way of some "magic" - with a little bit of knowledge of what you are using, setting a static IP address isn't that hard.
Wow. Clearly TiVo delivered under-tested software. It's obvious that if the software was thoroughly and completely tested that these types of issues would not be occurring.
But you'd rather use "this" software than the software developed by an individual who is actually concerned about quality and control? Who's the idiot?
I'm glad that you have some insight into the internal decision making process inside Tivo - here I was maybe thinking that there were maybe other things going on and that they tried go get out the best product that they could with the resources available. Little did I know that they're just lazy and incompetent!!!
rainwater
09-20-2006, 07:25 PM
There's the problem, people just expect to be able to plug things in and have them work by way of some "magic" - with a little bit of knowledge of what you are using, setting a static IP address isn't that hard.!
Yeah, so why is customer support telling users their adapter is bad if all they need is a little bit of knowledge?
GoHokies!
09-20-2006, 07:29 PM
Yeah, so why is customer support telling users their adapter is bad if all they need is a little bit of knowledge?
I never said that Tivo CS didn't need to be any smarter, just that if people knew something about the equipment that they were operating they wouldn't have to call in the first place.
rainwater
09-20-2006, 07:56 PM
I never said that Tivo CS didn't need to be any smarter, just that if people knew something about the equipment that they were operating they wouldn't have to call in the first place.
You can't expect every TiVo customer to understand wireless networking protocols. That is just being ridiculous.
GoHokies!
09-20-2006, 08:09 PM
You can't expect every TiVo customer to understand wireless networking protocols. That is just being ridiculous.
I'm pretty sure that I never said "every Tivo customer" or "understand wireless networking protocols", but thanks for putting words in my mouth. :rolleyes:
Once more for your possible understanding, if when setting up networking on their Tivo a user is presented with the choice between specifying an IP address and using a DHCP server, maybe they should have some basic knowledge of what the difference is between the two, so that they can decide which one to choose.
ZeoTiVo
09-20-2006, 08:30 PM
I'm pretty sure that I never said "every Tivo customer" or "understand wireless networking protocols", but thanks for putting words in my mouth. :rolleyes:
Once more for your possible understanding, if when setting up networking on their Tivo a user is presented with the choice between specifying an IP address and using a DHCP server, maybe they should have some basic knowledge of what the difference is between the two, so that they can decide which one to choose.
or go to www.tivo.com and the support forum where they will find the answers needed or can ask. The problem here is the disconnect between TiVo the appliance adn TiVo the Linux server dedicated to DVR functionality.
If a certain wireless adapter model and some router models had a hard time on windows how many would rail at Microsoft? how many would think to call Microsoft for an answer? How many would look on the interent for an answer?
and Windows software new costs more than a TiVo box.
rainwater
09-20-2006, 08:34 PM
or go to www.tivo.com and the support forum where they will find the answers needed or can ask. The problem here is the disconnect between TiVo the appliance adn TiVo the Linux server dedicated to DVR functionality.
If a certain wireless adapter model and some router models had a hard time on windows how many would rail at Microsoft? how many would think to call Microsoft for an answer? How many would look on the interent for an answer?
and Windows software new costs more than a TiVo box.
I don't think you understand the issue. Almost all routers are setup to work with DHCP. Even if the TiVo user understands how to setup an adapter for their router, they will not get it to work with TiVo because it isn't working correctly. The person to blame here is TiVo, not the adapter manufacturers. This feature worked before 7.3.x, so I'm pretty sure people's adapters haven't changed. Again, you are asking customers to change a setting to a incorrect setting for their TiVo to work correctly, and you are saying that this is ok?
gonzotek
09-20-2006, 08:40 PM
Again, you are asking customers to change a setting to a incorrect setting for their TiVo to work correctly, and you are saying that this is ok?It's not 'incorrect' to use a static ip, there are plenty of legitimate reasons you'd want to use one, if you know why and what you're doing. And even if you don't, it still doesn't make it incorrect if you can follow the directions and make the proper changes. However I agree expecting regular people to handle making the changes, when it 'just worked' previously, isn't exactly a good policy. It is an issue in need of addressing, asap.
CuriousMark
09-20-2006, 08:56 PM
The problem is most users do not understand how to use a static ip address. Thats the whole point of DHCP. While its great that their are workarounds, TiVo support is having to deal with people having these problems. And of course their first response is to return the adapter. So it seems Tivo CS does not even know of this problem which only makes the situation worse.
Wow, are you arguing just for Trolling sake? I agree that customers should be able to plug and play. I never said differently. I also am aware that most don't know how to set a static IP. However, if by posting, I can help make them aware the workaround exists, hopefully they will call support or visit a support forum or come here for help where many of us do understand and will be very glad to help them through it. Then they don't have to go buy a new adapter and they can better tough it out until the fix comes along. Helping them make the best of the situation seems a better use of time than whining about it.
CuriousMark
rainwater
09-20-2006, 09:18 PM
Wow, are you arguing just for Trolling sake? I agree that customers should be able to plug and play. I never said differently. I also am aware that most don't know how to set a static IP. However, if by posting, I can help make them aware the workaround exists, hopefully they will call support or visit a support forum or come here for help where many of us do understand and will be very glad to help them through it. Then they don't have to go buy a new adapter and they can better tough it out until the fix comes along. Helping them make the best of the situation seems a better use of time than whining about it.
CuriousMark
I never said not to do that. In fact, it would be nice if someone would let the CS team know this as well. I don't see a problem with telling people how to fix it. But it wouldn't be an issue if this software wasn't released with such a major bug. I know plenty of Tivo users who have no clue about the existance of this forum, nor do they visit the tivo.com website. I would expect users like this to not be able to workaround this bug until someone at Tivo decides its worthy of being fixed.
ZeoTiVo
09-20-2006, 09:57 PM
and you are saying that this is ok? No I used the phrase "they just have to do an annoying workaround" in the post before this.
It should be fixed but it is a broad issue of 3rd party hardware and LINUX drivers. Do you want TiVo to throw a lot of resources on testing a lot of combos or do you wnat them to prioritize the bug list differently. personally I want them to tweak for performance while fixing the UI bugs.
ETA: Oh , and make it possible for my kids to use the DVD player while in Kid Zone on my SD H400
Okay, let's take this in order:
Cori: I understand!
Megazone: Multiple deletes -- I see your point -- if you've been gone a while, you can delete multiple programs more easily. End-of-life Series 2? No I don't really think so, but I think the pressure for Series 3 led to the second string taking over Series 2.
GoHokies!: I suspect you're a typical 20 something idiot. I provided a bit of of tongue in cheek that is obviously above your paygrade -- they either didn't test the delivery, or they have ulterior motives -- BUY SERIES 3!!! -- duh.
RoyK: Thanks. ...for the record, I am a CMMI-5 senior software engineer for one of the largest corporations in the country (and ... the largest defense contractor in the world).
rainwater
09-21-2006, 08:19 PM
It should be fixed but it is a broad issue of 3rd party hardware and LINUX drivers. Do you want TiVo to throw a lot of resources on testing a lot of combos or do you wnat them to prioritize the bug list differently.
Actually, it affects the TiVo branded adapter as well. And I assume they are going to continue supporting it in the S2 series. I would say its more than a driver issue. Its more of a overall networking bug it seems to me and not just caused by a individual driver.
Of course, this doesn't even get into the random reboots users are having from using certain adapters.
RoyK: Thanks. ...for the record, I am a CMMI-5 senior software engineer for one of the largest corporations in the country (and ... the largest defense contractor in the world).
You're welcome. I held a similar position with a similar organization up until my retirement a year ago.
RoyK:
Congratulations on your retirement. I need another 15 years to 59.5. I'll go earlier if the pennies add up, and I can make it happen. I've had far more fun than I deserve -- now, a gas grill and satellite TV -- what else do we need?
Most of you recognize the problems we're facing with the end of Series 2.
It's all about Series 3 now, so be ready for some interesting Series 2 software deliveries over the next few months. ...for you hiring managers, watch out for software engineer applicants whose most recent experience includes janitorial service at Tivo...
For those of you who just don't get it -- in time, some of you will, but many of you are just destined to go through live without a clue... GoHokies!, you'll be fine, most large cities have programs for people with special needs.
Dolfer: Me too! I want the ability to accept/reject new software and be able to roll back at least one version.
Cheers!
GoHokies!
09-22-2006, 01:26 PM
Well, you nailed it since my 27th birthday is in 2 weeks - too bad you missed the mark on the idiot part. I'm actually a pretty successful naval officer, not your typical 20-something college grad without a clue. Since we're making sweeping generalizations, I'd be willing to bet that I've had more leadership experience and seen more of the globe in my 5 years at sea than you have had in your ~20 cranking out code.
But, thanks for trying! :rolleyes:
I just disagree that you all think that this is the end of the S2 - not only has Tivo said that it isn't, but the recent releases of KidZone and Guru Guides are a pretty good indicator (quality issues aside) that the S2 is going to be around for a long time. Plus if you look at the fact that the S3 code was forked from the 7.2 software, with the same 7.3 updates due in the next few months, that as Tivo develops new things they will be able to applied to both branches in a parallel fashion.
Finally, on the issue of rollbacks, I'm amazed that given the criticism of Tivo CS's ability to have the right info on *1* version of software in the wild that people think that they would be capable of supporting a much larger number of versions.
777, I'm sorry if my post came across too harsh - I just call 'em like I seem 'em. Say something dumb, and you'll get a dumb answer in response (and expect to be treated the same way when I act like a bonehead). Thanks for coming back and keeping up the discourse.
Naval officer? Then you've had leadership training. At your age, I'd say you made 03 a year or so ago -- probably*just starting to get some respect?
I'm ex AF, with a long career that has only recently exploited my comp sci degree. I've been working on defense programs my entire life. As an engineering lead on a national program a few years ago, I had breakfast with General Horner in a group of 16 to discuss the future of military space. You want to talk to me about leadership experience?
I did notice your last email was intended to diffuse -- that deserves respect.
I'm done with whining abou Tivo. I love Tivo, but I hate what they've done in the last few weeks...
You're no dummy -- good luck with your career.
Marconi
09-24-2006, 11:59 AM
Now you hit clear, it is marked, and you can move on - no waiting. You can delete a list of shows just by hitting clear repeatedly.
This is true only if you delete in reverse chronological order. If you try to delete the bottom item in a folder, there's a long wait before you can do anything else. The trick is to always delete from the top down.
It doesn't make things more sluggish, it speeds it up! The delete delay is the same as it was, only now you don't have to wait for it to finish.
As long as you delete from the top down.
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