Smallville Season Pass

[harrisgtz]

I tried to put Smallville in my season pass manager and requested First Run Only. My to do list shows many Smallvilles that are repeats. I know the station is changing to CW but even the new shows list it as WPIX which is the old channel 11 in New York.

[Stanley Rohner]

The guide data must be wrong.


It happens some times.

[Dan203]

Did you make sure to set the Season Pass for the CW station? Smallville is repeated on several other stations, so if you simply picked it from the Search By Title screen it's possible you picked it up off the wrong station.

Dan

[alansplace]

I tried to put Smallville in my season pass manager and requested First Run Only. My to do list shows many Smallvilles that are repeats. I know the station is changing to CW but even the new shows list it as WPIX which is the old channel 11 in New York.channel 11 has been wpix since i lived in new york 40 years ago. channel 5 here in the la area in so cal is kttv and was the wb station and is now becoming the cw station and it is still kttv.
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Alan :D

[JimSpence]

WPIX is or will become The CW. And are you sure you didn't select a Wishlist?

[phox_mulder]

Smallville doesn't premiere till the 28th,
could be that it isn't in the guide yet.

WB ceasing operations 2 days ago might be causing some problems in the guide as well.
Might take Tribune a couple days to sort out the CW network assignments.


phox

[gastrof]

I tried to put Smallville in my season pass manager and requested First Run Only. My to do list shows many Smallvilles that are repeats. I know the station is changing to CW but even the new shows list it as WPIX which is the old channel 11 in New York.


You're talking about a few different things as if they're all the same.

For starters, channel 11 WPIX is, very simply, channel 11 WPIX.

That's its OverTheAir channel number (analog), and its call letters.

For a good while now it's been an affiliate of the WB network, but it was still WPIX and was still originating in the NY/NJ area.

It got a good chunk of programming from the WB network, but the station was still WPIX.

The WB has gone the way of the dodo bird, by merging with UPN to form "The CW".

WPIX can't be a WB station any more if the WB no longer exists.

It CAN still be WPIX, tho'...and it is.

If WPIX is going to be the CW affiliate in the NY/NJ area, then it is.

That's where you'll still go to see SMALLVILLE, and find out how Clark gets out of the Phantom Zone, and if Lex/Zod really flies in the season opener.

It'll still be channel 11, WPIX.

Channel call letters usually don't change when a channel hooks up with a different network.

The channel number would be even LESS likely to change under those conditions.

As for why repeat runs of older episodes are showing up in your "first run only" "to do" list, I don't know. Maybe they're not being listed correctly by Tribune?

[johnnny732]

I just got a HD TV and the HR-10 250. But channel 11 is not up with all my other locals that come in HD. I'm I going to get channel 11 in HD when they broadcastin HD? If so, will it be on channel 11 or on some other channel??? :confused: Thanks, Johnnny

[beejay]

If you look at the Smallville repeats, I think you'll find they have the generic description, not a detailed episode description. That is happening to me with my Smallville wishlist (FRO).

[gastrof]

I just got a HD TV and the HR-10 250. But channel 11 is not up with all my other locals that come in HD. I'm I going to get channel 11 in HD when they broadcastin HD? If so, will it be on channel 11 or on some other channel??? :confused: Thanks, Johnnny


The U.S. government gave each U.S. TV station a second frequency ("channel") to use for their digital broadcasts.

That means there's now TWO of each channel. One analog (regular), and one digital.

They're TWINS! :p

(It's not possible to send out the standard/analog broadcasts on the same channel as the digital ones.)

On the other hand, in most if not all cases, a TV station sends out a signal with its digital "twin" that IDs the station, and can cause a digital receiver to ID the station as whatever number the broadcaster wants. (For example, a station with the analog/standard channel number "7" may have its digital signal on channel 28, but the HD receiver may still show it as "channel 7".)

If WPIX has a digital signal going out right now, and you both have a digital TV tuner and live in the range of that signal, you should be getting a digital version of WPIX on your new tuner. Makes no difference what channel it's on. It might still show up as "channel 11" on your digital tuner, even tho' it's really on a different channel.

High Def is another matter entirely, tho'.

TV stations can use their digital signal to send out a High Def picture if they want, or they can send out a Standard Def picture on their digital broadcasts.

It's up to them.

[gastrof]

If you look at the Smallville repeats, I think you'll find they have the generic description, not a detailed episode description. That is happening to me with my Smallville wishlist (FRO).

This is why I suspect the people at TRIBUNE's TV listing service actually work for Luthorcorp...

Or might be meteor freaks. I'm not sure which.

[mick66]

channel 11 has been wpix since i lived in new york 40 years ago. channel 5 here in the la area in so cal is kttv and was the wb station and is now becoming the cw station and it is still kttv.
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Alan :D

Call letters don't change - FALSE

Call letters can change anytime the station wants to change them.
Locally the The WB station changed it's call letters to WUCW a couple of months ago in anticipation of becomming the CW station. My season passes for programs on this channel were unaffected.

The NBC affiliate has changed it's call letters twice in the last 25 years. First from WTCN to WUSA then to KARE. Also, when the FOX network first started 20 yrs ago the sattion that carried it changed it's call letters to WFTC to relect the name of the new network.

[alansplace]

channel 11 has been wpix since i lived in new york 40 years ago. channel 5 here in the la area in so cal is kttv and was the wb station and is now becoming the cw station and it is still kttv.
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Alan :DCall letters don't change - FALSE

Call letters can change anytime the station wants to change them.
Locally the The WB station changed it's call letters to WUCW a couple of months ago in anticipation of becomming the CW station. My season passes for programs on this channel were unaffected.

The NBC affiliate has changed it's call letters twice in the last 25 years. First from WTCN to WUSA then to KARE. Also, when the FOX network first started 20 yrs ago the sattion that carried it changed it's call letters to WFTC to relect the name of the new network.hey, i never said, 'Call letters don't change'!! i said that wpix hadn't changed it's call letters in over 40 years, which is an understatement as they've been wpix since the station's beginning in 1948, which makes it 58 years that their call letters have been wpix. anyway, don't quote me and then go saying 'FALSE' to something i didn't say.
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Alan :D

[mick66]

hey, i never said, 'Call letters don't change'!! i said that wpix hadn't changed it's call letters in over 40 years, which is an understatement as they've been wpix since the station's beginning in 1948, which makes it 58 years that their call letters have been wpix. anyway, don't quote me and then go saying 'FALSE' to something i didn't say.
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Alan :D

Really? You didn't say "call letters don't change"??? Then whats this?
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3678/alankp6.jpg

Looks a helluva lot like it says "call letters don't change" to me, and it didn't get there all by itself.

[gastrof]

Really? You didn't say "call letters don't change"??? Then whats this?
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3678/alankp6.jpg

Looks a helluva lot like it says "call letters don't change" to me, and it didn't get there all by itself.


Oh Micky, Micky, Micky.

You are such a gem!

He was replying to THIS-

"I know the station is changing to CW but even the new shows list it as WPIX which is the old channel 11 in New York."

The OP had the idea the channel's ID would change with the change in network affiliation, and all Alan was saying (similar to my post) was that a network change doesn't mean WPIX is no longer WPIX, and that the listing of it as such is still correct.

You were taking his statement out of context, and correcting an "error" the rest of us understood was NOT one.

Alan was replying to something said, not making a flat, general statement.

Did you consider what he was replying to before posting?

[Stormspace]

[QUOTE=gastrof]Channel call letters usually don't change when a channel hooks up with a different network.
QUOTE]

From my reading many of the channels moving to the CW network are indeed changing their call letters. Usually something like XXCW. In my area the channel letters aren't changing but in many others they are.

[alansplace]

[QUOTE=gastrof]Channel call letters usually don't change when a channel hooks up with a different network.
QUOTE]

From my reading many of the channels moving to the CW network are indeed changing their call letters. Usually something like XXCW. In my area the channel letters aren't changing but in many others they are.in retrospect, for better clarity, maybe what should have been said might have been something like this:

the local station's call letters don't NECESSARILY change when the station changes its affiliation to an new or different network

i imagine that the ones changing their call letters are stations with less depth of history than wpix and kcet.
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Alan :D

[gastrof]

From my reading many of the channels moving to the CW network are indeed changing their call letters. Usually something like XXCW. In my area the channel letters aren't changing but in many others they are.


Could you tell us please how many channels are taking on the CW network affiliation, and what percentage of those are actually changing their call letters?

WHERE are you getting this from?

No.

Not many.

Some.

Possibly a few.

Stations that, for example, may have had call letters that included "WB" would likely want to change them.

This isn't the first time I've seen TV stations change network affiliations, over the years, and they do NOT usually change their call letters.

That statement was made, that stations do NOT usually change their call letters at such times, and that statement stands.

Please don't correct where there is no error.

Also, please don't say "many" when you don't know the percentage of CW stations making such a change.

As for WPIX, it isn't making such a change and there wasn't any reason to think they were going to.

Some people don't understand the difference between a network and a local channel. They think that somehow they're the same thing, and that was the case here. The OP couldn't understand why New York's CW affiliate was still listed as WPIX, and it was explained that it was simply due to the station STILL HAVING those call letters.

TV stations don't normally change their call letters when they take on or change network affiliations.

There's no evidence the majory of or even many (percentage-wise) of the CW stations are.

Just "some".

Please give specifics if you feel that's a false statement.

[Stormspace]

Could you tell us please how many channels are taking on the CW network affiliation, and what percentage of those are actually changing their call letters?

WHERE are you getting this from?


There are 16 Stations changing their call letters. Whether you choose to call this many or some is purely subjective. I chose many.


This isn't the first time I've seen TV stations change network affiliations, over the years, and they do NOT usually change their call letters.


This time they are. Sorry.


Please don't correct where there is no error.


The fact that there is an exception this time means that the statement while not being technically in error doesn't apply.


Also, please don't say "many" when you don't know the percentage of CW stations making such a change.


I know exactly how many as I stated above. A little research on your part would have yielded the same information.


As for WPIX, it isn't making such a change and there wasn't any reason to think they were going to.


After reviewing my source this appears to be a correct statement.


There's no evidence the majory of or even many (percentage-wise) of the CW stations are.

Just "some".


Not true.

While wikipedia does have its faults the information here checks out with some other articles I've read in the past couple of months.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CW_affiliates

Check it out. :)

Edit: I was wrong....There are 19 changing call letters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TrackerTV/My_CW

[alansplace]

There's no evidence the majory of or even many (percentage-wise) of the CW stations are.

Just "some".

Not true.really? 19 out of 209 is less than 10% :eek:
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Alan :D

[Stormspace]

really? 19 out of 209 is less than 10% :eek:
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Alan :D

Considering the frequency that stations change their name. (Not Often) combined with 5-10% of the stations changing theirs means many to me.

A couple - Two
A few - More than two, but no more than seven
Several - Seven to ten
Many - more than ten.

[Scaramanga]

Um, in answer to the original posters' question, TiVO sent out a message about the CW conversion. They recommend entering WB or UPN shows you like as a "Wishlist", and having it automatically record. After the CW shows up on the program quide, you can cancel it and then enter it as a season pass as normal. This way, you won't miss the season premier. As of yesterday, my TiVo picked up the season premier of Smallville next Thursday on the "To Do" list. It has a blue shield by it with a star in the middle, which signifies a wishlist recording. Hope this helps.

[gastrof]

"TV stations do NOT usually change their call letters when changing affiliations."

This time they are. Sorry.

No. They aren't. Only some are. A small percentage, if your "16" count is valid.

Sorry.

Please don't correct where there is no error.

Stations normally don't change their call letters when they change affiliations, and that statement stands. The fact some at times do was taken into account by the statement that they "normally" or "usually" don't.

As for me doing research, your reference lists many stations, but I don't see any mention of what stations have changed their call letters upon joining the CW. I note that one is still even listed as having a "WB" in their call letters.

The point of the whole discussion was that the OP was thinking the "WPIX" listing was incorrect because the station had become a CW affiliate, and it was explained to him that the two things have NOTHING to do with each other. Stations usually do NOT change their call letters when changing network affiliation, and that remains a true statement.

They normally DON'T change their call letters.

What point you thought you were making is unclear, since the simple fact that they normally DON'T isn't invalidated by a small percentage doing it in this case.

Also, this is a special situation, with so many switching to a NEWLY FORMING network. Normally if a station changes affiliations, it's an isolated situation, and they do NOT change their call letters. (The ones now taking a "CW" into their call letters are actually doing it to help support the new network...normally that wouldn't be happening when the network being joined is an established one.)

I have the feeling you were as confused about this as the OP in the thread was, some people not understanding the difference between local channels and networks. (I cringe sometimes when satellite subscribers talk about attempts to get their "local networks".) You seem to clearly understand part of it, but not the matter being discussed.

I'd like to ask again...

What part of the reference you gave tells us specifially what stations had one set of call letters and changed to others because of joining the CW?

I certainly hope you weren't talking about the 16 Tribune owned WB affiliates, because they're not changing their call letters. They're changing their network affiliation.

Again, "some" might be doing both, but not all. (And I know that for a fact...our local WB station...now our CW station...was one of them, and its call letters are still the same.)

You DO understand that "call letters" are the "WXYZ" letters, not the name of the network....don't you?

[gastrof]

Um, in answer to the original posters' question, TiVO sent out a message about the CW conversion. They recommend entering WB or UPN shows you like as a "Wishlist", and having it automatically record. After the CW shows up on the program quide, you can cancel it and then enter it as a season pass as normal. This way, you won't miss the season premier. As of yesterday, my TiVo picked up the season premier of Smallville next Thursday on the "To Do" list. It has a blue shield by it with a star in the middle, which signifies a wishlist recording. Hope this helps.


Since my TiVos are unsubbed, I don't always have a clear memory of how the regular Season Passes and such are done.

Aren't they CHANNEL specific, tho'?

If a show is running on a particular channel, would it make a difference to the TiVo what NETWORK the channel's connected to? Wouldn't the show name and the channel number be enough to keep the SP running? (Or is the "Wishlist" suggestion being made for people who don't know what channel their shows might be on now?)

[TivoNM]

I am having the same problem here is New Mexico. I can tell you that this is going to be an issue with Tribune. If you look at the actual info for Smallville and others like Reba, you get general synopsis of the show, not the episode. The episode number will be missing. These are 2 crucial things that tivo uses to be able to keep from recording the same show in 28 days and or repeats if setup for first runs.

I have had to go into my todo list and delete all shows that are re-runs so I wouldn't have useless recordings. A bit tedious, but will work for now until the change over is settled and also Tribune has had the opportunity to fix the error.

Also another thing, since all the tribune info comes from the broadcasters they may only be receiving the general info which in that case it is going to be solely up to broadcaster to get it all straight.

You may be able to contact tivo and have them send an issue to Tribune and maybe that will get the issue fixed quicker.

[TivoNM]

Another quick reply...I have a family member who works for CW (formerly WB) and I wondered if the call letters would be changed also. I was informed that no they will not. The station is has not changed ownership, they didn't shut down and someone else start a new network, there for, it will have the same call letters.

The call letters for our WB/CW station are KWBQ...that isn't going to change. I suppose it could be upto the station to change the call letters but that would be a big hassle I would think with FCC stuff. I don't know what is going on in other areas but like I said call letters are not going change in my area for CW. Our UPN station, which is now MyTV, will keep the same call letters also. We were the only station that actually owned WB and UPN until the merger came down. Maybe that is reason those call letters are remaining the same. They have already been set with the FCC and the station although it will have a different broadcaster will not have a different owner...if that makes any sense.

[phox_mulder]

I'm thinking our CW station will be changing it's call letters soon.

They started life with the call letters KOOG, and were quite independant.

WB came a courtin', they were woo'd, so they changed them to KUWB.

Now after an unexpected death in the family, they are affiliated with CW.

KUCW is already used by a radio station in Oregon, but I'm guessing KUWB will be coming with something else soon, and petitioning the FCC yet again for a call letter change.


phox

[Cudahy]

My HDtivo has been listing the daily Smallvilles on HDnet as "new episodes" on the todo list for a week and then takes them off before the it records. This doesn't happen with any other program. Apparently Tivo doesn't know it isn't new until a few days before it airs.

[Stormspace]

Only some are. A small percentage, if your "16" count is valid.


You are arguing symantics. I never said a quarter, half, or most. I said many which relates to a number, not a percentage. 19 in my mind is significant since as you say, it almost never happens.


As for me doing research, your reference lists many stations, but I don't see any mention of what stations have changed their call letters upon joining the CW. I note that one is still even listed as having a "WB" in their call letters.


See the second link.


What point you thought you were making is unclear, since the simple fact that they normally DON'T isn't invalidated by a small percentage doing it in this case.


While you may say that it is a small percentage, it is a significant amount in the number of stations changing, so I stand by my statement that many are changing, just not a quarter, half, or even most.



Also, this is a special situation, with so many switching to a NEWLY FORMING network. Normally if a station changes affiliations, it's an isolated situation, and they do NOT change their call letters. (The ones now taking a "CW" into their call letters are actually doing it to help support the new network...normally that wouldn't be happening when the network being joined is an established one.)


Almost all of the ones changing had WB in the name. I imagine it would be more than just support of the new network, and more to avoid confusion.


I have the feeling you were as confused about this as the OP in the thread was, some people not understanding the difference between local channels and networks. (I cringe sometimes when satellite subscribers talk about attempts to get their "local networks".) You seem to clearly understand part of it, but not the matter being discussed.


Call letters and networks typically have no relation to one another, in this case they do for almost all of the stations changing names.


What part of the reference you gave tells us specifially what stations had one set of call letters and changed to others because of joining the CW?


That would have been in the second link I provided.


I certainly hope you weren't talking about the 16 Tribune owned WB affiliates, because they're not changing their call letters. They're changing their network affiliation.


I am of course referring to the stations in the second link.


Again, "some" might be doing both, but not all.


I never said all, I said many.


You DO understand that "call letters" are the "WXYZ" letters, not the name of the network....don't you?

I believe I have answered that already.

[Scaramanga]

Since my TiVos are unsubbed, I don't always have a clear memory of how the regular Season Passes and such are done.

Aren't they CHANNEL specific, tho'?

If a show is running on a particular channel, would it make a difference to the TiVo what NETWORK the channel's connected to? Wouldn't the show name and the channel number be enough to keep the SP running? (Or is the "Wishlist" suggestion being made for people who don't know what channel their shows might be on now?)

I have never run a TiVo unsubscribed, but I believe they are channel specific. I am not the person to ask about unsubbed TiVo's. Sorry.

Wishlists are mainly for finding shows with a favorite actor, subject, or genre. They can be specifically set to a show or movie title. I have mine set to find Sean Connery movies so I can catch old Bond movies, and also specifically for Smallville until I am certain Season Pass manager will catch it after the CW conversion.

[TivoNM]

If you are running an unsubed tivo the unit will record like your VCR...time and channel. If the time of the show changes, tivo doesn't pick up the change and you get missed recording. Same thing about stations. If your tivo is subed it is able to make corrections on the shows that have changed in the Program Guide. Since you don't receive Program info from tivo, you can't use season passes or wishlists.

[gastrof]

I have never run a TiVo unsubscribed, but I believe they are channel specific. I am not the person to ask about unsubbed TiVo's. Sorry...


:confused:

We weren't talking about my TiVos.

I had no question.

I was addressing the matter raised by, I believe, the OP.

I mentioned my unsubbed machines because with mine being unsubbed, I'm not that familiar with subbed ones and didn't know for sure if a subbed TiVo's season passes were channel specific or not.

I seem to recall being told they are, but wasn't sure.

Check back to how the thread was flowing, what I was replying to, and what I actually said. ;)

[gastrof]

If you are running an unsubed tivo the unit will record like your VCR...time and channel. If the time of the show changes, tivo doesn't pick up the change and you get missed recording. Same thing about stations. If your tivo is subed it is able to make corrections on the shows that have changed in the Program Guide. Since you don't receive Program info from tivo, you can't use season passes or wishlists.


I have a good many [manual] season passes on my machines, and I'm very familiar with how my machines work. (I've had TiVo for at least a year now.)

As mentioned above, the post you're replying to wasn't about my machines at all. It was a reply to someone else's situation where I happened to mention not being totally familiar with subbed machines because mine aren't.

I can't quite get why people are thinking we're talking about MY machines. I never asked a question about mine. I was replying to someone else. :o

[gastrof]

You are arguing symantics. I never said a quarter, half, or most. I said many which relates to a number, not a percentage. 19 in my mind is significant since as you say, it almost never happens.



See the second link.



While you may say that it is a small percentage, it is a significant amount in the number of stations changing, so I stand by my statement that many are changing, just not a quarter, half, or even most.




Almost all of the ones changing had WB in the name. I imagine it would be more than just support of the new network, and more to avoid confusion.



Call letters and networks typically have no relation to one another, in this case they do for almost all of the stations changing names.



That would have been in the second link I provided.



I am of course referring to the stations in the second link.



I never said all, I said many.



I believe I have answered that already.



Actually, to speak of something as being a significant event due to the number of parties involved, "many" suggests a high number. Semantics are a part of language, my friend. Words have meanings, and if you want to express yourself so others understand your thoughts, you must use the correct words.

I never claimed you said "all". You did however say "it means that this time" which was not true, because it did NOT mean that.

You said "many", suggesting a high, attention-getting number. A "high number" of CW stations have NOT changed their call letters, and as mentioned before, the whole thing addressed someone's thinking that WPIX's listing as such was wrong because of a NETWORK change. It was explained to them that a network change doesn't mean a call letters change.

Thank you for providing the second link. I find the number of CW stations it lists to have made my point for me nicely, and to have drilled you into the ground.

The tiny percentage of stations making such a change is very insignificant, especially when it has NOTHING to do with the matter we were discusssing...namely, whether or not stations change their call letters when joining a new network. They don't, normally, and once again, that simple FACT remains standing, unlike your claims.

As for my final question about you understanding the difference between call letters and a network name, I had to ask it because it appeared you might not grasp the difference...that would have explained why you went off on the tangent you did in response to my simple, correct statement to the board member who had questions about PIX. You imply you understand, but I still don't really see why you'd have replied as you did if you had.